Juno News - August 24, 2020


Erin O'Toole wins Conservative leadership


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Length

30 minutes

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184.47154

Word Count

5,623

Sentence Count

166

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.880 Coming up, Aaron O'Toole is the new Conservative Party of Canada leader. How does it happen? What does it mean? And where does the party go from here?
00:00:22.620 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:26.060 Hello and welcome to another edition of the Andrew Lawton Show, Canada's most irreverent talk show here on True North, the first day of Aaron O'Toole's leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:00:42.000 It is Monday, August 24th, conveniently the same day that I wrapped up the last show because I was doing, alongside my friend and colleague Candice Malcolm, the True North Live Conservative Leadership Results Show, which we thought would be over and done with on Sunday.
00:00:55.800 And ended up stretching into the ungodly hours of Monday morning.
00:01:00.300 But it is a big day, a big week for Conservative politics and by extension for Canadian politics.
00:01:06.560 So I want to get to some of the big stories. The big one, yes, Aaron O'Toole emerged victorious on the third ballot.
00:01:13.860 He won with a pretty decisive margin, although up until the votes were finally revealed,
00:01:19.880 which came after a delay that I'll get to in a little while.
00:01:24.640 I don't think many people knew just how decisive it was going to be.
00:01:29.720 And I had spoken ahead of the results show yesterday and actually during the show as well with Fred Delory, who was Aaron O'Toole's campaign manager.
00:01:37.660 And he was predicting an Aaron O'Toole win, but he was predicting a win on the third ballot.
00:01:42.640 So he, again, didn't think it was going to be some blowout on the first ballot or even the second ballot.
00:01:48.000 But what we saw was down ballot support from Derek Sloan went to Leslyn Lewis and Leslyn Lewis's support overwhelmingly went to Aaron O'Toole.
00:01:57.440 And that part of the story makes Leslyn Lewis not just a formidable candidate in her own right, but very much the kingmaker.
00:02:05.260 She delivered that victory to Aaron O'Toole, and I think that means that a message has been sent about her, about the values she's standing up for,
00:02:14.440 the values that Peter McKay called a stinking albatross around the neck of the conservative movement in Canada.
00:02:22.000 So that is the top-level story that I think emerged from the race.
00:02:26.700 And certainly everyone online, even a lot of people from the mainstream media, are lauding Leslyn Lewis for her campaign and lauding her campaign manager, Steve Outhouse,
00:02:36.360 who we've spoken to a number of times as well.
00:02:38.780 I want to talk about a couple of the aspects of this that came out.
00:02:42.140 But first, I want to share a section from Aaron O'Toole's acceptance speech, his victory speech, which was delivered after 1 a.m.
00:02:49.380 Like I said earlier, when all was said and done, it took a very long time.
00:02:53.140 And we started our show at 5.30 p.m. Eastern Time, and it was expected that we would have a little 30-minute window to do a pre-show,
00:03:01.900 and then the party would take over at 6, and then we'd do a little bit of a recap after.
00:03:06.680 And it ended up being where the joke was on us, because I signed off at, I believe, 1.40 a.m.
00:03:12.940 So it was 8 hours and 9 minutes, which I believe is the longest I've ever spoken uninterrupted.
00:03:18.720 My wife may say that I've spoken longer than that, or it feels like I speak longer than that.
00:03:23.660 But I believe that is an ultimate record for me for speaking.
00:03:26.620 With no commercial breaks, we had a few videos we could throw to, but it was Candace and I the whole way through,
00:03:31.720 right up until just a few hours ago, actually, as a matter of fact, because I'm recording this Monday morning.
00:03:37.620 But don't worry, I have the coffee. We are good to go.
00:03:40.060 But I want to share some of Aaron O'Toole's acceptance speech to give you a sense of the tone that he's charting,
00:03:46.920 because he was running as a true blue conservative, but his acceptance speech was one that said he's trying to unite.
00:03:54.280 He is standing up for all of the values that he talked about in the leadership race,
00:03:58.240 but he is going to be winning support from everyone.
00:04:01.480 That was the goal. That was the message.
00:04:03.540 And there was something in that that I thought was very interesting. Let's roll that.
00:04:07.460 We need a leader who puts Canadians first and will stand up for Canada and our interests in a challenging world
00:04:14.480 where we've lost the respect of our friends and allies.
00:04:19.200 The world still needs more Canada. It just needs less Justin Trudeau.
00:04:25.560 Why should I be that leader?
00:04:28.080 Because I believe that whether you are black, white, brown, or from any race or creed,
00:04:33.240 whether you are LGBT or straight, whether you are an Indigenous Canadian,
00:04:38.580 or have joined the Canadian family three weeks ago or three generations ago,
00:04:44.160 whether you are doing well or barely getting by,
00:04:47.860 whether you worship on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, or not at all,
00:04:52.220 you are an important part of Canada,
00:04:54.920 and you have a home in the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:05:00.400 Maybe you have voted for a different party your whole life or have never voted at all.
00:05:06.260 Maybe you feel that as a union member, you should not vote for our party.
00:05:10.720 Maybe you feel let down repeatedly by politicians.
00:05:14.480 Maybe your family came to Canada for better, but you are still waiting for fair treatment.
00:05:19.940 Maybe you run a small business and work all day only to be called a tax cheat by your own government.
00:05:28.000 It is time for many Liberal and NDP voters to socially distance themselves from those out-of-touch parties.
00:05:36.720 It is time for more Canadians to look at the Conservative Party again.
00:05:41.620 I've already seen some cynics online say,
00:05:43.960 oh, he's already pivoting, he's already ignoring everything he talked about up until this point,
00:05:47.800 and I think it's too early to say that.
00:05:50.220 There were some very specific promises that O'Toole made that he can be kept to.
00:05:55.320 One of them, most notably for a lot of people in Canada's Conservative movement,
00:05:59.920 was his pledge to defund CBC.
00:06:03.460 Now, yeah, this is a red meat policy item for the base,
00:06:06.540 but it's also very easily demonstrated whether he's doing it or not.
00:06:10.760 So I'd like to see, is that going to be on the platform?
00:06:13.640 Can you guarantee that's going to be on the platform at the very first opportunity?
00:06:18.480 Other things he stood up for, like resisting cancel culture?
00:06:21.700 Well, we'll see very quickly if that is something he's living up to
00:06:25.340 by whether Conservative candidates are being disqualified,
00:06:28.780 by if he's standing up for free speech.
00:06:30.580 He stood up for independent press.
00:06:32.320 Is that going to continue?
00:06:34.200 So I think it's incumbent upon the Conservative movement
00:06:37.000 and independent journalists like yours truly
00:06:39.320 to continue to hold Aaron O'Toole to his leadership promises,
00:06:43.940 to the good ones anyway,
00:06:45.380 and to hold him to those commitments he made
00:06:48.680 so that it doesn't become tempting to do that pivot
00:06:51.660 between the leadership and the general election, as is so common.
00:06:56.280 So that's where my priority is,
00:06:59.460 and it's where a lot of other people's priorities are and need to be.
00:07:04.020 And this is not to say we're being critical of him
00:07:06.720 or distrustful or anything like that.
00:07:08.420 I think, generally speaking, a healthy skepticism or healthy cynicism
00:07:12.160 is appropriate when it comes to political promises.
00:07:15.820 I've had a lot of people ask me who I was backing,
00:07:18.400 and I can tell you, quite frankly, I wasn't backing anyone.
00:07:21.340 I've had candidates that I've liked
00:07:23.400 and candidates that, with one notable example,
00:07:26.420 I disliked only because they weren't making themselves available.
00:07:30.960 That was my only bugaboo with Peter McKay
00:07:33.080 was the resistance to social conservative voices in the party
00:07:36.840 and the fact that he just didn't want to talk.
00:07:39.040 He didn't want to do interviews.
00:07:40.140 He didn't want to do the independent press gallery debate.
00:07:42.700 He didn't want to make himself available
00:07:44.580 in a way that every other candidate was
00:07:47.180 to conservative audiences.
00:07:50.040 And I'm not claiming victory for Aaron O'Toole's win,
00:07:53.680 but I do think there is a dynamic shift in there
00:07:57.200 in why Derek Sloan, who, again, is a rookie MP, not well-known,
00:08:01.440 Leslyn Lewis, completely unknown before the leadership race,
00:08:05.120 and Aaron O'Toole, who ultimately won,
00:08:07.060 why they did so well, because we can see in their numbers
00:08:11.220 that they were tapping into the conservative base.
00:08:14.960 They were tapping into a conservative audience.
00:08:17.100 And all three of those candidates were unafraid
00:08:19.900 to do independent media interviews and availabilities.
00:08:24.080 They were speaking to True North.
00:08:25.520 They were speaking to Rebel.
00:08:26.580 They were speaking to Postmillennial.
00:08:27.980 They were speaking to all of these places.
00:08:30.360 And you can't expect that you're going to win over
00:08:32.720 broad-spectrum support from conservatives
00:08:34.980 if you aren't speaking on the platforms
00:08:37.960 that conservatives are tuning into.
00:08:41.040 I look at the numbers that we had in our live stream,
00:08:43.480 and I haven't seen the final total yet,
00:08:44.880 but we had tens of thousands of people
00:08:46.560 that were watching our broadcast.
00:08:48.620 And at some point, that was actually higher
00:08:50.420 than the ones who were watching
00:08:51.680 some of the mainstream media's online streams.
00:08:54.640 And I know they had people watching on TV
00:08:56.920 and stuff like that.
00:08:58.280 But for an independent startup
00:08:59.840 that doesn't have a $1.3 billion budget,
00:09:02.480 that's not getting any of the media bailout money,
00:09:04.980 to get that sort of audience, I think, is important
00:09:08.340 because it is a conservative-friendly zone.
00:09:12.760 And I don't say that because it's about
00:09:14.540 the Capital C Conservative Party,
00:09:16.280 but we're going to give the right a fair shake.
00:09:19.080 And we're doing this because, yeah,
00:09:20.940 I mean, I lean conservative.
00:09:21.980 I don't hide that at all.
00:09:22.980 I don't hide the bias.
00:09:25.300 But we are talking about the leadership race
00:09:27.700 in a context that matters to conservatives.
00:09:30.440 Look, I mean, CTV and CBC were having
00:09:32.480 like liberal and NDP people on
00:09:34.340 to talk about all the things
00:09:35.800 the conservatives need to do.
00:09:37.300 And I'm thinking, wait,
00:09:38.120 why on earth are we taking cues
00:09:39.840 from the opposition, from the opponents,
00:09:42.620 as to what a conservative is supposed to be?
00:09:46.000 And it's chasing that love
00:09:48.060 and chasing that affection
00:09:49.320 from the mainstream media,
00:09:50.700 from the left that has gotten conservatives
00:09:53.040 in trouble in the past
00:09:54.940 because you're never going to get it.
00:09:56.560 You're never going to win them over.
00:09:58.800 I want to talk for a few moments here
00:10:01.340 about Andrew Scheer,
00:10:02.580 who gave his farewell speech last night,
00:10:05.420 his last speech as leader
00:10:06.800 of the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:10:08.540 And there were some things
00:10:09.980 that he said in there that actually,
00:10:11.500 I think he was testing material
00:10:12.880 when I sat down and did my exit interview
00:10:14.700 with him a couple of weeks ago.
00:10:16.440 For example, he made one observation,
00:10:18.120 and I'm actually going to play the clip now
00:10:19.380 because I think he worded it better
00:10:20.500 in his speech last night,
00:10:22.160 where he talks about the fact
00:10:24.220 that people need to be given the choice
00:10:25.860 to choose small government
00:10:27.140 and given the choice to choose freedom.
00:10:29.180 And his thesis is that people
00:10:30.660 will always make that choice.
00:10:32.880 Let's roll that clip.
00:10:33.720 It may be tempting to use the government
00:10:35.560 to address the challenges society often faces,
00:10:38.840 but once invited inside,
00:10:40.740 the government is a terrible house guest.
00:10:43.300 It may feel good to vote in a party
00:10:45.020 that is going to overstep the limits of government
00:10:48.000 in order to do something you agree with.
00:10:50.860 However, that invitation is quickly used
00:10:52.740 to justify all sorts of actions
00:10:54.880 you might never have considered.
00:10:57.060 It is far better to keep government
00:10:59.160 within strictly defined limits
00:11:00.860 and leave the rest of society
00:11:02.800 to fulfill its proper role.
00:11:05.820 That is why Conservatives put their faith in people.
00:11:10.460 We know that there is more to society
00:11:12.200 than just government,
00:11:13.460 and that free people within a free market,
00:11:15.580 working hard and enjoying the fruits of their labor,
00:11:18.200 free to express themselves
00:11:20.180 and live their lives the way they want.
00:11:23.040 That is the recipe for success
00:11:25.580 every single place it's been tried.
00:11:29.740 When given a choice between societies
00:11:31.520 where governments control more
00:11:32.940 and more of their citizens' lives
00:11:34.860 and those where freedom and opportunity are protected,
00:11:38.280 people will always choose freedom.
00:11:40.080 After all, no one ever got shot
00:11:42.900 trying to jump the wall
00:11:44.040 to get into East Berlin
00:11:45.320 or paddle the raft to get to Cuba.
00:11:48.920 We don't even have to go back
00:11:50.040 into the past to see these examples.
00:11:52.440 We just need to look at the mess
00:11:53.640 happening right now in Venezuela
00:11:55.540 and all the tragedy that it is causing.
00:11:58.620 And I do think there's something in that
00:12:00.620 that yes, we can talk about
00:12:01.940 how we wish that we heard it
00:12:03.020 from Andrew Scheer in the election
00:12:04.300 and before that,
00:12:05.320 and I think that's all fair game.
00:12:06.700 But I share that with you
00:12:08.260 not to dwell in the past,
00:12:09.940 but to say that I really hope
00:12:11.660 that form of a narrative,
00:12:13.720 that form of rhetoric
00:12:14.620 is something that Aaron O'Toole can embrace,
00:12:17.920 is something that he will embrace.
00:12:19.480 And talk about, yes,
00:12:20.680 putting your positive conservative vision forward,
00:12:22.660 that's fine,
00:12:23.460 but understand what the conservative part is
00:12:26.260 of that conservative vision.
00:12:28.240 And that is the best advice
00:12:29.920 I can give to anyone.
00:12:31.080 You were elected by members
00:12:33.000 because you were the real conservative
00:12:35.840 or you were the most electable conservative
00:12:37.920 or you were the person
00:12:39.420 that they liked the most.
00:12:40.360 You never know completely
00:12:41.440 why people are voting.
00:12:43.120 But regardless,
00:12:44.160 you are now the leader
00:12:45.280 of the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:12:47.820 And if the leader
00:12:48.540 of the Conservative Party of Canada
00:12:50.080 ceases to stand up for conservatives
00:12:51.920 and conservative ideas,
00:12:53.560 the party ceases to be
00:12:54.960 a conservative party.
00:12:56.700 And it's that simple.
00:12:57.900 We don't need someone else
00:12:59.240 to go after the liberal votes
00:13:01.020 and the NDP votes
00:13:02.060 and the mainstream media intelligentsia.
00:13:03.900 We need someone
00:13:05.000 that's going to stand up
00:13:06.080 for free markets,
00:13:07.980 for free speech,
00:13:09.040 all of these things.
00:13:11.140 So that's what I hope.
00:13:12.500 And again,
00:13:13.020 a lot of this comes back
00:13:14.540 to independent media.
00:13:16.180 And I'm going to play
00:13:16.680 one more clip
00:13:17.540 from Andrew Scheer here.
00:13:18.900 This one is a little bit gratuitous.
00:13:21.000 I hope you'll forgive me,
00:13:22.300 but this is, I think,
00:13:23.500 an important one
00:13:24.200 and an important message,
00:13:25.340 not just because of the message itself,
00:13:27.120 but the response to it
00:13:28.640 from the mainstream media.
00:13:29.760 Let's roll that.
00:13:30.820 So it doesn't matter
00:13:31.500 what kind of conservative you are.
00:13:33.060 Our party needs all of you
00:13:35.040 and we need you to go out
00:13:36.600 and find more people
00:13:37.560 who share our beliefs.
00:13:40.140 Please stay involved.
00:13:41.440 Be bold.
00:13:42.220 Think.
00:13:43.080 Challenge the mainstream media.
00:13:44.660 Don't take their narrative as fact.
00:13:46.840 Check out smart,
00:13:48.440 independent,
00:13:49.040 objective organizations
00:13:50.300 that are growing all the time,
00:13:52.120 like the Post Millennial
00:13:53.040 or True North.
00:13:54.660 There are other places
00:13:55.500 to get information.
00:13:57.160 Let's stop being
00:13:58.080 the silent majority.
00:13:59.180 Hey, I agree with Andrew Scheer.
00:14:00.960 Stand up for independent media
00:14:02.100 and listen to
00:14:03.340 and watch True North.
00:14:05.100 This is great.
00:14:05.960 And the mainstream media
00:14:07.140 just lost their minds on this.
00:14:09.480 If you look at Twitter,
00:14:10.280 I don't even have time
00:14:11.240 to go through all of them,
00:14:12.600 but the mainstream media
00:14:13.860 just completely went crazy
00:14:16.580 over the assertion that,
00:14:18.380 hey, maybe they don't get
00:14:19.520 to have the monopoly
00:14:20.460 on communicating.
00:14:21.840 And this was something
00:14:22.880 that was just,
00:14:24.160 I thought,
00:14:24.560 entirely valid
00:14:25.520 that he was saying.
00:14:26.720 One person jumped on him
00:14:28.100 and said,
00:14:29.120 this was a Wall Street Journal
00:14:31.000 columnist or reporter
00:14:32.720 in Ottawa
00:14:33.220 had tweeted about it
00:14:34.960 and said,
00:14:36.240 oh, you know,
00:14:36.620 Andrew Scheer says
00:14:37.180 conservatives should watch
00:14:38.480 True North and Post Millennial.
00:14:40.700 And then Andrew Scheer
00:14:41.680 actually responded on Twitter,
00:14:43.220 as you can see,
00:14:44.400 and said,
00:14:44.820 no, no, no,
00:14:45.440 all Canadians need to.
00:14:47.020 So again,
00:14:47.720 thank you very much
00:14:48.380 for the plug, Andrew Scheer.
00:14:50.160 You had people like David Aiken
00:14:52.060 and Justin Ling
00:14:53.060 and all of these mainstream
00:14:54.120 reporters who,
00:14:55.680 in some cases,
00:14:56.280 and David Aiken,
00:14:57.480 I don't think,
00:14:57.840 is an ideologue,
00:14:58.740 but he's very snarky
00:15:01.740 and he's always been
00:15:02.340 very snarky
00:15:02.940 when it comes
00:15:03.440 to independent media.
00:15:05.060 Or Dale Smith,
00:15:06.100 who's in the
00:15:06.420 Parliamentary Press Gallery,
00:15:07.720 who posted some weird meme
00:15:09.340 when Andrew Scheer
00:15:10.640 said people should pay attention
00:15:11.920 to independent voices.
00:15:13.280 Again,
00:15:13.700 the Parliamentary Press Gallery
00:15:15.020 has proven to just not
00:15:16.860 like any competition
00:15:18.300 whatsoever.
00:15:19.000 They don't want anyone
00:15:19.700 playing in what they think
00:15:21.380 is their sandbox.
00:15:23.020 So the mainstream media's
00:15:24.660 response to this idea
00:15:26.800 is exactly why
00:15:28.680 the idea
00:15:29.260 has such merit
00:15:31.020 and weight
00:15:31.640 among conservatives.
00:15:33.960 Because
00:15:34.600 conservatives do not feel
00:15:36.480 like their voices
00:15:37.320 and their values
00:15:38.060 and their ideas
00:15:38.760 are adequately
00:15:39.760 or even
00:15:40.420 marginally
00:15:42.600 acknowledged
00:15:44.080 by the mainstream media.
00:15:45.520 But the mainstream media
00:15:46.200 still thinks that it gets
00:15:47.120 to be the gatekeeper
00:15:48.020 to truth.
00:15:48.940 So this is all something
00:15:50.120 that I think
00:15:50.740 is coming to a head
00:15:52.020 in the conservative movement
00:15:53.660 and something
00:15:55.120 that the next
00:15:55.660 conservative leader
00:15:56.520 and the team
00:15:57.020 they put around them
00:15:57.860 needs to be aware of.
00:16:00.480 So that's where
00:16:01.560 I think we're headed
00:16:02.780 with this
00:16:03.240 and I would like to see
00:16:04.340 absolutely more of this.
00:16:06.080 So this is where
00:16:07.320 I'm going to go into
00:16:08.680 a bit of the technical
00:16:09.480 side of things
00:16:10.240 now that we've started
00:16:10.940 with the broader aspects
00:16:12.020 because this was just
00:16:13.280 an absolute gong show
00:16:14.420 from the start.
00:16:15.100 As I mentioned earlier,
00:16:15.960 supposed to start
00:16:16.620 at 6pm
00:16:17.240 and ended up
00:16:18.520 having just a complete
00:16:20.040 delay after delay
00:16:21.080 and I was
00:16:23.640 very, I mean,
00:16:25.020 pleased to be doing
00:16:25.760 a live show
00:16:26.360 and had people watching
00:16:27.380 and we had, I think,
00:16:28.720 no fewer than, you know,
00:16:29.940 900 people watching
00:16:31.380 at any given time
00:16:32.120 on YouTube
00:16:32.580 plus more on Facebook.
00:16:34.340 It went on so long
00:16:35.820 that Facebook capped us
00:16:37.320 at 8 hours
00:16:38.280 and said,
00:16:38.640 oh no, you can't do
00:16:39.240 a live show longer
00:16:40.000 than 8 hours
00:16:40.660 which at that point
00:16:41.620 was just like sad
00:16:42.540 because it was a reminder
00:16:43.420 that we had been doing it
00:16:44.340 for 8 hours.
00:16:45.340 But we didn't end,
00:16:46.080 we just restarted
00:16:47.080 the Facebook stream
00:16:48.080 and carried on.
00:16:49.640 But what happened
00:16:51.060 that I thought
00:16:52.080 was interesting
00:16:52.740 is they had this
00:16:53.620 ballot counting error
00:16:55.280 where the ballot machines
00:16:56.700 were eating
00:16:57.900 some of the ballots
00:16:59.100 and as many as thousands
00:17:00.220 of these ballots
00:17:00.960 were destroyed
00:17:01.640 by the machine
00:17:03.280 which in retrospect
00:17:04.640 means they probably
00:17:06.140 shouldn't have put
00:17:06.620 Banksy in charge
00:17:07.740 of procuring the ballot machines
00:17:09.220 that could have been
00:17:10.180 entirely predicted
00:17:10.980 if you had really
00:17:11.900 looked too much into that.
00:17:13.600 And the other point
00:17:14.700 that I would raise
00:17:15.300 is that when a machine
00:17:16.420 starts just destroying documents
00:17:17.960 without you asking it to
00:17:19.160 I can only imagine
00:17:20.220 that we has just put
00:17:21.380 in a bulk order
00:17:22.040 for that same machine.
00:17:23.160 So the Kielbergers
00:17:24.300 surely are wanting
00:17:25.160 to know the make
00:17:25.720 and model of those machines
00:17:26.760 so that they can
00:17:27.480 you know outfit
00:17:28.400 their offices
00:17:29.200 and real estate
00:17:29.980 all over Toronto
00:17:31.100 and the world
00:17:31.660 with them.
00:17:32.640 But it was kind of embarrassing
00:17:34.340 and I don't know
00:17:35.220 whether it can be
00:17:35.980 entirely and squarely
00:17:37.180 put in that category
00:17:38.140 of you know
00:17:39.480 stuff happens
00:17:40.220 or if it's something
00:17:41.880 that really reveals
00:17:43.640 a broader
00:17:44.460 disorganization
00:17:46.860 because presumably
00:17:48.200 when you're counting
00:17:49.560 these ballots
00:17:50.260 and you start
00:17:50.900 the second the deadline
00:17:51.840 hits on Friday
00:17:52.740 at 5 p.m. Eastern
00:17:53.900 you know the pace
00:17:55.560 you're going
00:17:56.080 and you know
00:17:56.640 if you're getting them
00:17:57.440 so I don't know
00:17:58.540 what it was about this
00:17:59.840 and I'd be interested
00:18:00.500 in hearing from the party
00:18:01.620 about this
00:18:02.320 that made it
00:18:03.380 so that it was only
00:18:04.300 in the 11th hour
00:18:05.460 that they could say
00:18:06.140 oh yeah these problems
00:18:07.220 have just started
00:18:08.060 and was it all machines
00:18:09.780 was it how many machines
00:18:10.660 did they have running
00:18:11.420 were they able to
00:18:12.220 to work around that
00:18:13.440 so it sounded like
00:18:14.640 they had to
00:18:15.380 really just pull
00:18:16.780 the machine
00:18:17.340 or pull the ballots
00:18:18.620 out of the machines
00:18:19.740 and the ones
00:18:20.520 that were shredded
00:18:21.080 they had to like
00:18:21.720 duplicate them
00:18:22.720 so that they could
00:18:23.660 feed them back in
00:18:24.500 like it sounds like
00:18:25.420 it was a process
00:18:26.120 and again everyone
00:18:27.100 starts getting a bit
00:18:27.880 conspiratorial about it
00:18:29.200 this was supervised
00:18:30.520 by representatives
00:18:31.600 of all of the campaign teams
00:18:33.180 so no one is challenging
00:18:34.680 the legitimacy of the result
00:18:35.980 and if you look at the numbers
00:18:37.860 you know it was
00:18:38.780 it was fairly decisive
00:18:39.900 and we have a pretty
00:18:41.360 significant number there
00:18:43.560 so when we look
00:18:46.060 at the overall results
00:18:47.580 what are we likely
00:18:48.760 to see moving forward
00:18:50.060 well Erin O'Toole
00:18:51.460 leader of the conservatives
00:18:52.720 that much we know
00:18:53.560 Lesley Lewis has said
00:18:55.040 she is sticking around
00:18:56.280 for the long haul
00:18:57.080 she's going to run
00:18:57.940 Erin O'Toole
00:18:58.840 it sounds like
00:18:59.540 has been very encouraging
00:19:00.520 of this
00:19:00.960 we don't know
00:19:01.660 if she's going to run
00:19:02.380 in the riding
00:19:03.160 she ran in in 2015
00:19:04.420 which was in Scarborough
00:19:05.620 there's a York Center
00:19:07.200 by-election
00:19:07.800 coming up potentially
00:19:08.960 so could she jump
00:19:10.040 into York Center
00:19:10.840 is she going to run
00:19:11.960 in another riding
00:19:12.700 we don't know
00:19:13.360 but it sounds like
00:19:14.940 she has very quickly
00:19:16.040 catapulted herself
00:19:17.020 to what would have been
00:19:18.440 just an unknown candidate
00:19:19.960 in the GTA
00:19:20.680 to being one of the
00:19:22.460 biggest stars
00:19:23.280 in the next generation
00:19:24.780 of the Conservative Party
00:19:26.040 of Canada
00:19:26.540 and whether that's
00:19:27.740 deserved or not
00:19:28.600 that's the reputation
00:19:29.620 she now has
00:19:30.460 and that's something
00:19:31.060 that will be important
00:19:32.120 to harness
00:19:32.580 and it's also going
00:19:34.480 to be something
00:19:34.940 that's important
00:19:35.540 for Erin O'Toole
00:19:36.480 to harness
00:19:37.540 and the reason
00:19:38.740 I say that
00:19:39.420 is because
00:19:39.840 he cannot forget
00:19:40.900 that she delivered
00:19:42.980 in no small part
00:19:44.360 of the win
00:19:44.700 and it's not to discount
00:19:45.560 his team's efforts
00:19:46.480 obviously when it's
00:19:47.880 a ranked ballot
00:19:48.540 you have to have
00:19:49.320 your own support
00:19:49.960 and that of others
00:19:50.740 but she was the one
00:19:52.180 that delivered
00:19:52.620 a chunk of votes
00:19:53.380 and if you look
00:19:54.040 at the numbers
00:19:54.540 of those 10,000
00:19:56.600 some odd votes
00:19:57.340 or points that she had
00:19:58.440 in round two
00:19:59.240 of those
00:20:00.240 over 7,000
00:20:01.480 went to Erin O'Toole
00:20:02.440 and just under 3,000
00:20:04.360 went to Peter McKay
00:20:05.260 I mean that's hugely decisive
00:20:06.740 you can't get a more
00:20:07.980 clear-cut victory
00:20:09.440 than that
00:20:10.260 and when ultimately
00:20:11.220 he wins with 57%
00:20:12.720 not the 51-49%
00:20:15.180 that people were fearing
00:20:17.080 based on the 2017 results
00:20:19.280 between Maxime Bernier
00:20:20.920 and Andrew Scheer
00:20:21.740 and so on
00:20:22.600 so she's going to be around
00:20:24.560 Derek Sloan as well
00:20:25.920 I mean he's in the caucus
00:20:26.880 he's a member of parliament
00:20:28.020 he is someone who
00:20:29.760 again is going to be
00:20:30.860 sticking around
00:20:31.440 by virtue of being
00:20:32.720 a sitting MP
00:20:33.620 what I don't know
00:20:35.120 from Derek Sloan
00:20:35.920 is how much of a role
00:20:37.060 he'll be given
00:20:37.820 in the party moving forward
00:20:39.780 he's been a bit of a pariah
00:20:41.980 and there was that
00:20:43.900 ousting attempt on him
00:20:45.840 from the comments
00:20:47.360 he had made
00:20:47.820 about Teresa Tam
00:20:48.780 and Erin O'Toole claims
00:20:49.980 that he actually stood up
00:20:50.960 for Derek
00:20:51.580 and pushed back
00:20:52.860 against some of the
00:20:53.760 cancellers from within
00:20:54.800 the party
00:20:55.200 so Erin O'Toole
00:20:56.320 may have a soft spot
00:20:57.240 for Derek Sloan
00:20:57.920 or simply just
00:20:58.740 it's a soft spot
00:20:59.640 for free speech
00:21:00.420 but I would like
00:21:01.780 very much for Sloan
00:21:02.860 to be incorporated
00:21:03.880 into the shadow cabinet
00:21:06.100 in some way
00:21:06.720 in fact I would like
00:21:07.460 all the leadership candidates
00:21:08.660 to be incorporated
00:21:09.820 into that
00:21:10.780 if I know
00:21:11.800 it works out well
00:21:13.000 when they're elected
00:21:13.960 and you know
00:21:14.660 for the ones that don't
00:21:15.340 have seats
00:21:15.800 that's a different question
00:21:17.080 here's the question
00:21:18.840 I have
00:21:19.260 is Peter McKay
00:21:20.220 going to run back
00:21:21.000 to his law practice
00:21:22.760 or is he going to
00:21:23.880 jump back into politics
00:21:25.600 with both feet
00:21:26.340 it was a messy campaign
00:21:27.860 it was a messy campaign
00:21:29.720 and I've seen a lot of people
00:21:30.940 who were on the dueling teams
00:21:33.140 that have buried the hatchet
00:21:34.320 and congratulating each other
00:21:35.440 on social media
00:21:36.180 which is you know
00:21:37.000 honor among political strategists
00:21:38.740 it's an important axiom
00:21:40.120 but for Peter McKay
00:21:41.400 I don't know
00:21:42.160 if he has any interest
00:21:43.520 in being someone else's minister again
00:21:45.920 or if he was only interested
00:21:47.380 in coming back
00:21:48.100 if he was going to be
00:21:49.120 the one at the top
00:21:49.880 and to be fair
00:21:50.640 I haven't asked the McKay campaign this
00:21:52.280 because as a general rule
00:21:53.740 they just haven't been responding
00:21:55.180 to our request
00:21:56.120 but that will be something to watch
00:21:58.160 I mean was he actually interested
00:21:59.480 in getting back in
00:22:00.360 and serving again
00:22:01.360 or was it that he just wanted
00:22:02.920 to be prime minister
00:22:03.760 and those two are sometimes
00:22:05.780 very different things
00:22:06.800 so that'll be something
00:22:08.440 that we need to keep an eye out for
00:22:10.040 you know I had mentioned
00:22:11.840 earlier in the show
00:22:12.980 the mainstream media's reaction
00:22:15.280 to the Andrew Scheer comments
00:22:17.220 about the mainstream media
00:22:18.280 let's look at some of the other
00:22:19.680 negative reaction to Aaron O'Toole
00:22:21.720 now to be fair
00:22:22.580 Justin Trudeau posted
00:22:24.500 a congratulatory message
00:22:26.200 but the liberal war room
00:22:28.300 had sent out a press release
00:22:30.060 like minutes after
00:22:31.320 Aaron O'Toole started speaking
00:22:32.820 in which they congratulated him
00:22:35.400 and then went
00:22:36.180 and just trash talks
00:22:37.300 the conservatives
00:22:38.220 I'm looking at this here
00:22:39.680 the line in the email
00:22:42.140 that is attributing it to someone
00:22:44.640 attributes it to the president
00:22:45.940 of the liberal party
00:22:47.420 Suzanne Cowan
00:22:48.240 so not to Justin Trudeau
00:22:49.300 or anything
00:22:49.780 she says
00:22:50.600 on behalf of liberals
00:22:51.500 across Canada
00:22:52.300 I want to congratulate
00:22:53.560 Aaron O'Toole
00:22:54.120 on becoming the leader
00:22:54.940 of the conservative party
00:22:55.920 of Canada
00:22:56.380 and the official opposition
00:22:57.940 I have great respect
00:22:59.580 for those who put their name
00:23:00.660 on a ballot
00:23:01.120 and step forward
00:23:02.240 to contribute
00:23:03.100 to our democracy
00:23:04.180 and she goes on later
00:23:06.140 about the fact
00:23:07.000 that we have an opportunity
00:23:07.920 to do all these other things
00:23:09.380 but then
00:23:10.220 we hope that Mr. O'Toole
00:23:12.100 will reconsider
00:23:12.960 continuing to push
00:23:14.080 the same policies
00:23:15.160 of Stephen Harper
00:23:16.220 and Andrew Scheer
00:23:16.880 that he proposed
00:23:17.520 in the leadership campaign
00:23:18.720 they would take Canada
00:23:20.060 backwards
00:23:20.580 by making harmful cuts
00:23:22.180 to services
00:23:22.820 that Canadians count on
00:23:24.560 weakening Canada's
00:23:25.860 gun control laws
00:23:26.740 rolling back our work
00:23:28.040 to fight climate change
00:23:29.060 and much more
00:23:29.920 great
00:23:31.300 that's why he won
00:23:32.060 I like the much more
00:23:34.320 part of that
00:23:34.740 he's going to do
00:23:35.220 all those things
00:23:35.820 and more
00:23:36.420 great
00:23:36.800 what a bonus
00:23:37.380 but this is the thing
00:23:39.300 and I know that the liberals
00:23:40.180 have a role to play
00:23:41.080 their job is to be critical
00:23:42.520 of whoever is elected
00:23:43.740 but you know
00:23:45.000 no matter what
00:23:45.740 no conservative leader
00:23:47.120 would have earned them
00:23:48.340 or earned an endorsement
00:23:49.860 from them
00:23:50.200 they were always going to say
00:23:51.080 oh yeah
00:23:51.420 it's going to be terrible
00:23:52.600 so Aaron O'Toole
00:23:53.460 is now being hit
00:23:55.080 with that magic word
00:23:56.480 cuts
00:23:57.080 cuts cuts cuts
00:23:58.500 and that's going to be
00:23:59.140 the word you hear
00:23:59.900 everything about
00:24:01.360 from now
00:24:02.300 until the election
00:24:03.380 and even beyond
00:24:04.580 that's going to be
00:24:05.540 what the media
00:24:06.440 and the left
00:24:07.300 are trying to put
00:24:08.060 at Aaron O'Toole's feet
00:24:09.460 and you know
00:24:10.380 one of the things
00:24:10.920 the fact that he was
00:24:11.580 so unequivocal
00:24:12.600 about CBC defunding
00:24:14.180 means CBC is going to
00:24:15.500 go to war
00:24:15.980 against him
00:24:16.820 he's talked about
00:24:17.860 rolling back
00:24:18.600 the media bailout fund
00:24:19.780 so the mainstream media
00:24:20.660 is going to go
00:24:21.200 and let's take a look
00:24:22.700 at Jerry Dias
00:24:23.640 who's the head of Unifor
00:24:25.020 the union that represents
00:24:26.980 most print journalists
00:24:28.580 in Canada
00:24:29.160 who are unionized
00:24:30.200 and Jerry Dias
00:24:31.680 tweeted out
00:24:32.260 early Monday morning
00:24:33.780 Aaron O'Toole
00:24:34.600 elected as leader
00:24:35.600 of the Conservative Party
00:24:36.920 of Canada
00:24:37.380 after being endorsed
00:24:38.340 by his buddy
00:24:39.020 Jason Kenney
00:24:39.800 who is actively attacking
00:24:41.520 workers rights
00:24:42.400 in Alberta
00:24:42.940 it's clear
00:24:44.060 O'Toole is no friend
00:24:45.600 to working people
00:24:46.580 and then he's got
00:24:47.140 the photo of
00:24:47.740 angry O'Toole there
00:24:48.740 who was
00:24:49.480 it looks like
00:24:50.100 in question period
00:24:50.920 in some form
00:24:51.920 so the Unifor guy
00:24:54.060 is already declaring
00:24:55.420 that Aaron O'Toole
00:24:56.800 is the bad guy
00:24:57.640 which means
00:24:58.540 the union president
00:25:00.160 for most Canadian journalists
00:25:02.440 has already decided
00:25:04.200 that Aaron O'Toole
00:25:05.380 is the bad guy
00:25:06.360 and we saw this
00:25:08.620 in the last election
00:25:10.280 remember the resistance
00:25:11.560 when you had Unifor
00:25:12.820 and all of its team
00:25:14.760 devoting itself
00:25:16.100 to voting every waking hour
00:25:17.380 to defeating Andrew Scheer
00:25:18.520 now I don't know
00:25:19.380 if he lost the election
00:25:20.780 because of Unifor
00:25:22.020 but certainly
00:25:23.240 the union didn't do him
00:25:24.780 any favors
00:25:25.340 and look
00:25:26.180 if they want to have
00:25:26.800 their stance
00:25:27.300 that's fine
00:25:28.020 but let's understand
00:25:29.600 what we're dealing with here
00:25:30.720 and the fact
00:25:31.240 that you can have
00:25:31.880 unionized journalists
00:25:33.100 whose union
00:25:34.300 is actively campaigning
00:25:36.940 against someone
00:25:38.120 and have people
00:25:39.700 accept
00:25:40.280 that there is
00:25:41.340 objectivity there
00:25:42.580 is wrong
00:25:43.100 and incidentally
00:25:44.520 in many cases
00:25:45.260 the journalists
00:25:46.040 have no choice
00:25:46.780 you have to
00:25:47.320 to work in a particular
00:25:48.140 newsroom
00:25:48.700 join the union
00:25:49.820 a lot of them
00:25:50.680 are fair
00:25:51.300 unbiased
00:25:52.020 impartial
00:25:52.560 they're everything
00:25:53.020 you need to be
00:25:53.700 but there are some
00:25:54.620 who aren't
00:25:55.020 there are some
00:25:55.460 who are voting
00:25:56.080 in these union policies
00:25:57.880 and union representatives
00:25:58.920 that are declaring war
00:26:00.160 against conservatives
00:26:01.380 so it's already started
00:26:02.620 and this is the whole point
00:26:04.660 when Aaron O'Toole says
00:26:05.840 the work starts now
00:26:07.280 the opposition's work
00:26:09.280 has started
00:26:09.860 I don't mean the official
00:26:10.620 opposition as far as
00:26:11.760 conservatives
00:26:12.220 but the resistance
00:26:13.560 to conservatives
00:26:14.660 that fight started
00:26:16.560 immediately as well
00:26:17.860 and to go back
00:26:19.800 to the comments
00:26:20.460 I made earlier
00:26:21.120 about the importance
00:26:21.860 of the next leader
00:26:22.980 digging their heels
00:26:24.200 and this is what
00:26:24.980 Aaron O'Toole has to do
00:26:26.040 the Mr. Nice Guy routine
00:26:28.300 is not going to cut it
00:26:29.420 and it didn't work
00:26:31.300 for Andrew Scheer
00:26:32.060 who tried to be liked
00:26:33.080 and tried to be amiable
00:26:34.180 and tried to be convivial
00:26:35.340 with the media
00:26:35.760 it didn't work
00:26:36.300 and in the end
00:26:37.160 he ultimately started
00:26:38.040 to punch a bit
00:26:38.780 and Aaron O'Toole
00:26:39.620 I would suggest
00:26:40.300 you start the punch now
00:26:41.760 start the punch now
00:26:43.380 because that is the best way
00:26:44.860 of pushing back
00:26:45.600 against this
00:26:46.140 show that you're not
00:26:47.000 a shrinking violet
00:26:47.780 show that you're up
00:26:48.580 to the fight
00:26:49.120 and show conservatives
00:26:50.320 that they voted you
00:26:51.560 into the leadership role
00:26:52.740 that you have
00:26:53.400 for a reason
00:26:54.900 for a reason
00:26:56.660 I just want to make
00:26:59.200 one observation
00:27:00.300 if I may
00:27:00.860 about the system
00:27:01.900 that elected
00:27:03.020 Aaron O'Toole
00:27:03.760 as conservative leader
00:27:04.920 because I realize
00:27:05.920 for people that aren't
00:27:06.960 just immersed in this stuff
00:27:08.040 day in day out
00:27:08.760 it's actually
00:27:09.360 very challenging
00:27:10.760 to understand
00:27:11.700 exactly how things
00:27:13.160 went the way they did
00:27:14.160 so the way it works
00:27:15.480 is every riding
00:27:16.520 has a hundred points
00:27:17.460 whether it's
00:27:17.940 a Bitsy Bitsy Miskim
00:27:18.760 in Quebec
00:27:19.080 or Calgary Centre
00:27:21.280 doesn't matter
00:27:22.000 every riding
00:27:22.880 is worth a hundred points
00:27:24.060 so when all of the members
00:27:27.320 mail in their ballots
00:27:28.240 those are tied
00:27:29.140 to the riding
00:27:30.400 but here's where
00:27:31.660 things get interesting
00:27:32.660 yes it's a ranked ballot
00:27:33.800 but if you have a riding
00:27:35.040 like Calgary West
00:27:36.340 that has thousands
00:27:37.260 of members
00:27:37.880 and they each
00:27:39.660 have a vote
00:27:40.680 that is worth
00:27:41.680 their share
00:27:42.620 of the 100 points
00:27:44.100 basically
00:27:44.520 so you know
00:27:45.440 if you've got
00:27:45.900 ten thousand members
00:27:46.900 which is a ridiculous number
00:27:48.200 let's say a thousand members
00:27:49.320 well
00:27:50.020 every vote
00:27:52.020 is worth less
00:27:53.400 than in a riding
00:27:54.520 in Quebec
00:27:55.440 or something
00:27:56.080 that has 20 members
00:27:57.180 in which case
00:27:57.800 every vote
00:27:58.480 is worth five points
00:27:59.480 so typically votes
00:28:00.760 are worth a fraction
00:28:01.780 of a point
00:28:02.260 but in some really
00:28:02.960 small ridings
00:28:03.800 they're worth
00:28:04.860 more than a point
00:28:05.640 so I hope I haven't
00:28:07.260 confused you more
00:28:07.960 by saying that
00:28:08.800 but it means that
00:28:09.860 winning over support
00:28:11.100 in areas that aren't
00:28:12.120 conventional
00:28:12.740 conservative strongholds
00:28:14.300 actually helps you
00:28:15.420 in a leadership race
00:28:16.520 and the one
00:28:17.620 real number
00:28:18.580 that we saw
00:28:19.240 that revealed that
00:28:20.380 was Aaron O'Toole's
00:28:21.940 showing in Quebec
00:28:23.280 and again
00:28:24.320 Quebec is not an area
00:28:25.440 that elects a lot
00:28:26.160 of conservatives
00:28:26.680 typically
00:28:27.200 but they still have
00:28:28.460 conservatives there
00:28:29.300 they have conservative
00:28:30.280 apparati in play
00:28:31.500 and Aaron O'Toole
00:28:32.720 did a lot
00:28:33.280 to campaign to that
00:28:34.280 he had a specific
00:28:35.420 Quebec platform
00:28:36.760 he didn't have that
00:28:37.960 for any other provinces
00:28:39.040 and if you look
00:28:40.100 at the numbers
00:28:40.640 he had an incredibly
00:28:42.080 strong showing
00:28:42.980 in Quebec
00:28:43.480 the numbers
00:28:44.640 on the first ballot
00:28:45.580 had O'Toole
00:28:46.340 at 3,532 points
00:28:48.640 and McKay
00:28:49.620 at 2,685
00:28:50.860 now for neither
00:28:52.340 to be a native
00:28:53.180 French speaker
00:28:54.260 winning over Quebec support
00:28:55.440 is going to be
00:28:55.880 a bit of a challenge
00:28:56.680 Lewis and Sloan
00:28:58.200 were behind
00:28:59.020 at 781
00:29:00.700 and 802
00:29:01.980 respectively
00:29:02.600 but Quebec
00:29:04.160 the second most
00:29:05.140 populous province
00:29:06.240 in the country
00:29:06.840 gave O'Toole
00:29:07.940 a huge leg up
00:29:09.080 in those
00:29:09.440 and really served
00:29:10.360 as the foundation
00:29:11.180 for the support
00:29:12.360 that he picked up
00:29:12.980 on the second ballot
00:29:13.840 and ultimately
00:29:14.600 the third
00:29:15.740 and final ballot
00:29:17.080 so it shows
00:29:17.920 I mean you got to
00:29:18.440 play your campaign
00:29:19.140 to the system
00:29:19.820 I know the O'Toole campaign
00:29:21.220 had been very confident
00:29:22.920 and I would say
00:29:23.560 almost cocky
00:29:24.500 going into it
00:29:25.900 and I was talking
00:29:26.740 to a couple of people
00:29:27.780 from the O'Toole campaign
00:29:28.900 throughout the course
00:29:30.060 of the evening
00:29:30.960 on Sunday night
00:29:31.660 and they were saying
00:29:32.340 listen I mean we're still
00:29:33.160 we stand by our numbers
00:29:34.940 it wasn't just that feeling
00:29:36.300 they had said
00:29:36.840 they had data
00:29:37.600 and the data
00:29:38.740 ultimately proved
00:29:39.860 to be correct
00:29:40.900 so
00:29:41.220 certainly a good endorsement
00:29:43.300 for whoever
00:29:43.700 was responsible
00:29:44.440 for making their predictions
00:29:45.760 and projections
00:29:46.500 and doing their exit polling
00:29:48.360 I know this has been
00:29:49.900 a bit of a different show
00:29:52.020 than usual
00:29:52.580 playing a couple of clips
00:29:53.680 talking about some of the themes
00:29:54.820 but as we are standing here
00:29:57.440 the day after
00:29:58.380 the Conservative Party of Canada
00:30:00.260 leadership race
00:30:01.020 the long awaiting results
00:30:02.220 in
00:30:02.500 I thought it was important
00:30:03.680 to devote the entire episode
00:30:05.300 to focusing on
00:30:07.220 not just the result itself
00:30:08.980 but the themes
00:30:09.740 the story that drove that
00:30:11.620 and we will have
00:30:12.760 a more in-depth analysis
00:30:13.960 on the show
00:30:14.780 on Wednesday
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