Juno News - Erin O’Toole alienates the Conservative base

00:00:00.000 Erin O'Toole is trying to quash dissent and silence his critics.

00:00:04.300 Now, his sycophants are telling us this is a sign of strength,

00:00:07.920 but from where I'm sitting, this looks a lot more like weakness.

00:00:10.480 I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

00:00:17.040 Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning into the show.

00:00:19.860 So we're going to focus again on the turmoil,

00:00:22.240 on the infighting within the Conservative Party of Canada today.

00:00:24.920 The latest news is that Erin O'Toole has ejected Senator batters

00:00:28.700 from caucus over the leadership review petition.

00:00:31.800 So as you know, Senator Denise Batters,

00:00:34.180 who is the Senator, a Conservative Senator from Saskatchewan,

00:00:36.700 she was appointed by Stephen Harper,

00:00:38.720 and she called for a review of the leadership of Erin O'Toole,

00:00:43.440 and her position is completely valid.

00:00:45.480 So typically, there would be a leadership review

00:00:47.580 following an unsuccessful election.

00:00:49.600 She points out she was on the Andrew Lawton Show yesterday,

00:00:51.820 and she pointed out that typically it would happen

00:00:53.880 six months after a Conservative election loss.

00:00:57.220 So it happened with Stephen Harper,

00:00:58.700 and it would have happened with Andrew Scheer

00:01:00.040 had Andrew Scheer not decided to resign before then.

00:01:02.800 So she's sort of just saying this is a typical process.

00:01:05.140 She's not calling for Erin O'Toole to be replaced.

00:01:07.760 She's only calling for him to be reviewed by the members.

00:01:11.580 This is scheduled to happen as it is,

00:01:13.580 but as it's scheduled, it won't happen until 2023,

00:01:16.800 which is a long time away.

00:01:18.140 So if you think about Justin Trudeau

00:01:19.800 and his ability to call an election when he wants,

00:01:22.760 now hopefully Justin Trudeau will have learned his lesson

00:01:24.920 and not do that again.

00:01:25.740 But theoretically, he could prompt another election.

00:01:28.740 During the last election,

00:01:29.920 he said that it could happen anywhere within 18 months

00:01:32.700 and two years.

00:01:33.780 And so if you think about that timeline,

00:01:35.080 by 2023, say that there is a leadership review at that time,

00:01:38.900 say the Conservative members say,

00:01:40.040 no, we don't like Erin O'Toole,

00:01:41.320 we don't want him as our leader anymore.

00:01:42.980 And all of a sudden,

00:01:43.920 that sparks another leadership review.

00:01:46.240 It's possible that Trudeau will wait

00:01:48.300 until the exact moment

00:01:49.380 where the Conservative Party has a brand new leader

00:01:51.520 that no one's ever heard of

00:01:52.780 or hasn't been out in the public,

00:01:54.240 hasn't had the opportunity

00:01:55.060 to sort of hone their skills as leader of the party.

00:01:58.420 Trudeau launches another election campaign

00:01:59.980 and we could be stuck in the same situation.

00:02:02.220 So, you know, this is all just sort of a process.

00:02:04.860 So, but it's like, why wait until 2023?

00:02:07.100 The election just happened.

00:02:08.080 Why not let the members have their say right now?

00:02:10.520 It's completely reasonable.

00:02:12.320 That is, again, is eminently reasonable in this point.

00:02:15.480 And instead of sort of engaging with her

00:02:18.140 or allowing this petition to go and see what happens,

00:02:21.880 Erin O'Toole basically, you know,

00:02:23.840 within 24 hours of the Senator launching this petition,

00:02:27.040 he said enough is enough

00:02:28.200 and booted her out of the Conservative caucus.

00:02:30.860 So Senator Batters is no longer part

00:02:32.760 of the Conservative caucus.

00:02:34.380 Erin O'Toole said this in a statement,

00:02:36.180 as the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada,

00:02:37.920 I will not tolerate an individual discrediting

00:02:40.640 and showing a clear lack of respect

00:02:42.600 towards the efforts of the entire Conservative caucus.

00:02:45.180 who are holding the corrupt

00:02:46.740 and disastrous Trudeau government to account.

00:02:49.700 Just eight weeks ago,

00:02:50.540 Canadians elected Conservatives

00:02:52.140 to hold Justin Trudeau accountable

00:02:53.600 for his economic management

00:02:54.980 and fight the cost of living crisis,

00:02:57.440 skyrocketing inflation and supply chain issues

00:02:59.860 that are crippling businesses.

00:03:01.380 That is our focus as a team.

00:03:03.860 So supposedly, again, you know,

00:03:05.660 you see a lot of people on social media,

00:03:07.300 a lot of the people who support Erin O'Toole,

00:03:09.980 you know, most of the people

00:03:10.820 who are part of his payroll,

00:03:12.620 but that's basically Erin O'Toole's base right now,

00:03:14.640 are the people who get paid to work for him.

00:03:17.880 But those people are all celebrating this

00:03:20.120 as a sign of strength,

00:03:21.440 saying that Erin O'Toole will not tolerate

00:03:23.440 any dissent from his party

00:03:25.120 and that's supposed to make us like him even more.

00:03:28.200 Senator Batters, though, is fighting back.

00:03:29.980 She's continuing to push on her petition

00:03:32.420 because she wants the members 0.99

00:03:34.040 to be able to have a say.

00:03:35.520 And she wrote this on Twitter,

00:03:36.740 pretty, pretty shocking stuff.

00:03:38.180 She says,

00:03:38.600 Tonight, Erin O'Toole tried to silence me 0.81

00:03:40.640 for giving our conservative members a voice.

00:03:43.100 I will not be silenced by a leader so weak

00:03:45.100 that he fired me via voicemail.

00:03:48.040 Most importantly,

00:03:49.240 he cannot suppress the will

00:03:50.580 of our conservative party members

00:03:52.040 sign the petition.

00:03:53.580 So apparently,

00:03:54.660 according to Denise Batters,

00:03:56.040 Erin O'Toole let her know

00:03:57.720 that he was firing her,

00:03:59.620 telling her that she was not

00:04:00.700 part of the conservative caucus anymore.

00:04:02.520 He did it via voicemail.

00:04:03.420 So rather than trying to schedule

00:04:05.340 a meeting with her

00:04:06.060 to let her know face-to-face

00:04:07.700 that he was going to kick her out of caucus,

00:04:09.080 rather than making sure

00:04:10.520 that he got her on the phone,

00:04:11.980 you know, talking to her assistant,

00:04:13.160 making sure that she picked up the phone,

00:04:14.980 was part of her schedule

00:04:16.260 that they could actually have a conversation.

00:04:18.760 No, instead,

00:04:19.580 he just left her voicemail,

00:04:20.940 which again is the most passive,

00:04:23.120 weak thing to do.

00:04:23.900 It's like you can't even face someone

00:04:26.060 who is criticizing you.

00:04:27.560 So you kick them out of your party

00:04:29.300 and you don't even have the courage

00:04:31.460 to do it to their face.

00:04:32.300 So you leave it in a voicemail,

00:04:34.220 which is a one-way form of communication.

00:04:35.920 So you don't give Denise Batters

00:04:37.520 any opportunity to speak back to you.

00:04:40.020 That to me is incredibly, incredibly weak.

00:04:43.740 But again, the people around Erin O'Toole,

00:04:45.900 the sycophants are cheering him on

00:04:48.000 and, you know, saying that somehow

00:04:51.380 this is a sign of strength.

00:04:52.740 So here are the people

00:04:53.660 who are defending Erin O'Toole.

00:04:55.840 This is his chief of staff, Dan Robertson.

00:04:58.200 He writes this,

00:04:59.040 do not underestimate Erin O'Toole.

00:05:02.500 So again, this is supposed to be

00:05:04.220 some kind of huge power move

00:05:06.140 and a sign of strength.

00:05:07.480 Again, the criticisms from Denise Batters

00:05:10.000 were more on the process side.

00:05:12.380 Again, she was talking about how

00:05:13.600 members deserve to have a say

00:05:15.620 sooner rather than later,

00:05:17.260 because if we wait for later

00:05:18.260 and it turns out that the members

00:05:19.240 don't like Erin O'Toole, 1.00

00:05:20.080 don't like the direction

00:05:20.840 that he's taking the party,

00:05:22.200 it leaves us really vulnerable

00:05:23.520 to having a brand new leader

00:05:25.060 right when Justin Trudeau

00:05:26.160 could trigger an election.

00:05:27.340 So saying, let's do it

00:05:28.100 sooner rather than later.

00:05:29.580 And then, of course,

00:05:30.060 she does have some substantive

00:05:31.220 valid criticisms,

00:05:32.340 the same kind of stuff

00:05:32.960 we've been talking about

00:05:33.760 here on the Candace Malcolm show

00:05:35.160 about how Erin O'Toole

00:05:36.460 presented himself one way

00:05:37.760 during the leadership.

00:05:38.580 He claimed to be a common sense,

00:05:40.600 authentic, true blue conservative.

00:05:42.580 And then, of course,

00:05:43.160 during the election campaign,

00:05:44.360 he was absolutely anything but

00:05:45.780 and tried to mimic Justin Trudeau

00:05:48.620 as much as possible

00:05:49.480 in terms of his policies

00:05:50.660 and in terms of where

00:05:51.880 he stood on issues.

00:05:52.940 So there was substantive criticism.

00:05:54.620 There was also process criticism.

00:05:56.840 And the fact that Erin O'Toole

00:05:57.860 just didn't want any of it

00:05:59.040 kicked him out.

00:06:00.500 And then here you have

00:06:01.800 Dan Robertson saying,

00:06:03.140 so do not underestimate

00:06:04.240 Erin O'Toole, again,

00:06:05.040 just sort of like

00:06:05.660 applauding him for this move

00:06:07.440 and maybe a warning sign

00:06:09.540 to other conservatives,

00:06:10.840 you know, don't come out

00:06:11.740 against Erin O'Toole

00:06:12.480 or he'll kick you out of the party.

00:06:14.100 More people defending Erin O'Toole,

00:06:15.660 Senator Don Plett,

00:06:16.600 who is the leader of the

00:06:17.720 conservatives in the Senate.

00:06:18.660 He tweeted this.

00:06:19.720 Tonight, Erin O'Toole

00:06:20.520 has made the decision

00:06:21.480 to remove Senator Denise Batters

00:06:23.280 from the National Caucus.

00:06:24.320 As always,

00:06:25.040 I continue to support

00:06:25.900 Erin O'Toole's strong

00:06:26.700 and principled leadership

00:06:27.460 to unite at the

00:06:28.480 Conservative Party of Canada.

00:06:30.000 Again, strange take

00:06:30.760 because I don't know

00:06:31.420 how this unites people.

00:06:32.860 Presumably, Denise Batters 1.00

00:06:33.820 is not on her own here.

00:06:35.120 She's not acting out of turn.

00:06:36.540 She has a constituency.

00:06:38.420 She has a large base 1.00

00:06:39.540 of people who support her.

00:06:40.560 I know she's a senator,

00:06:41.560 so she's not elected.

00:06:42.580 She doesn't have constituents per se, 0.99

00:06:44.120 but she has a group of supporters.

00:06:45.780 She told Andrew Lawton

00:06:46.720 on the show yesterday

00:06:47.440 that she had almost

00:06:49.420 2,000 signatures already

00:06:51.000 in just one day

00:06:51.860 after launching this petition.

00:06:53.580 We are told that there are

00:06:54.920 other MPs and caucus members

00:06:56.380 who are going to come out

00:06:57.780 in support of this caucus.

00:06:59.260 And just as someone

00:07:00.880 who observes federal politics,

00:07:02.280 as someone who follows

00:07:02.920 this stuff pretty closely,

00:07:04.200 Denise Batters is one of the more 1.00

00:07:05.520 active conservative senators.

00:07:07.240 She's very active on social media.

00:07:09.040 She's involved in a lot of issues.

00:07:10.680 She's very vocal.

00:07:11.700 She seems to be very well-liked

00:07:12.940 among her colleagues.

00:07:13.660 She's sort of part

00:07:15.000 of the in crowd

00:07:15.660 of conservative MPs and senators.

00:07:18.500 And so the idea

00:07:19.340 that kicking her out

00:07:20.460 somehow unites

00:07:21.620 the Conservative Party of Canada,

00:07:22.820 I'm confused.

00:07:23.620 I don't really understand

00:07:24.400 how kicking out a critic

00:07:25.940 unites people

00:07:27.060 because from where I'm standing,

00:07:28.640 again, it looks more like

00:07:30.240 you're alienating more people.

00:07:31.460 You're upsetting more people.

00:07:32.500 A lot of people want to have a say

00:07:33.820 over whether or not

00:07:34.680 Aaron Atosha

00:07:35.320 can continue to leave this party.

00:07:36.460 Given that he has had

00:07:37.540 such a drastic change

00:07:38.820 in the direction

00:07:39.320 that he's taking the party,

00:07:40.660 why would kicking somebody out

00:07:42.040 who's just voicing the feelings

00:07:44.440 and the sentiment

00:07:45.020 that exists among a large part

00:07:47.120 of the conservative base?

00:07:48.020 I'm assuming it's a large part

00:07:49.400 because of the number of people

00:07:50.940 who I've talked to

00:07:52.200 and heard from

00:07:52.720 who are saying the exact same things

00:07:54.320 that Denise Batters is saying.

00:07:55.860 The sentiment is out there.

00:07:57.300 So, you know,

00:07:57.940 you can knock people off.

00:07:59.160 You can kick Bert Chan,

00:08:00.060 the national councillor

00:08:00.960 who launched his own position.

00:08:02.220 He's gone.

00:08:02.980 You can kick out Denise Batters,

00:08:04.240 but you're not doing anything

00:08:05.660 to address the dissent that exists.

00:08:07.480 In fact, when you kick out people

00:08:09.040 who are trying to speak out

00:08:10.340 and blow the whistle,

00:08:11.060 you make those dissenters angrier.

00:08:12.940 You make people feel less connected

00:08:14.940 and less like they have a say.

00:08:16.120 Again, this is not strength.

00:08:17.660 This is showing how out of control

00:08:19.680 the party is

00:08:20.260 and how incapable Aaron O'Toole

00:08:22.380 is at managing it.

00:08:23.640 Next, we hear from Rob Bathurston,

00:08:26.080 who apparently is the president

00:08:27.200 of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:08:28.100 I've never heard of this guy

00:08:28.940 before in my life,

00:08:29.800 but he says this.

00:08:31.220 I am shocked that nobody

00:08:32.180 wants to talk to me

00:08:32.880 about Aaron O'Toole's BC tour,

00:08:34.800 Pierre Polyev's fight

00:08:35.840 against inflation,

00:08:36.860 Michelle Rumpel's standing up

00:08:38.120 for Canada's energy sector,

00:08:39.340 or Eric Duncan's holding

00:08:41.140 the Liberals accountable

00:08:42.460 to end the blood ban smiley face.

00:08:45.180 So I guess what he's trying

00:08:46.360 to say here is that

00:08:47.160 the Conservative MPs

00:08:48.240 are out doing all

00:08:49.220 of this amazing stuff

00:08:50.080 to save Canada

00:08:50.840 and to fight back

00:08:51.500 against Justin Trudeau.

00:08:52.840 And instead,

00:08:53.780 the media focuses on infighting.

00:08:56.060 Look, I'm probably

00:08:56.920 one of the most critical people

00:08:58.180 of the media

00:08:59.060 out in the country.

00:09:00.400 And when it comes

00:09:01.120 to this stuff,

00:09:02.000 I mean, give me a break.

00:09:03.180 Aaron O'Toole's BC tour.

00:09:05.180 The fact that no one's covering

00:09:06.260 Aaron O'Toole's BC tour

00:09:07.320 is because it's not

00:09:08.320 really newsworthy.

00:09:09.260 Like, I looked at his itinerary

00:09:10.660 and I'll tell you

00:09:11.840 what he did

00:09:12.480 when he's in BC.

00:09:13.680 So he's out in Vancouver Island

00:09:14.660 and this is what he did

00:09:15.440 according to his Twitter profile.

00:09:16.960 He took a picture

00:09:17.560 with the Terry Fox statue

00:09:18.840 on November 15th.

00:09:20.040 He met with the

00:09:21.000 Greater Victoria Chamber

00:09:22.220 of Commerce.

00:09:23.220 He met with the

00:09:23.740 BC Urban Mayor's Caucus.

00:09:26.200 And he tweeted

00:09:27.300 about the flooding

00:09:28.760 in British Columbia.

00:09:29.840 Okay, so just kind of

00:09:31.900 normal politician stuff.

00:09:33.160 This isn't really

00:09:33.800 like groundbreaking,

00:09:34.500 like look at how Aaron O'Toole

00:09:36.120 is saving the country.

00:09:37.140 He's out in BC

00:09:37.820 doing all this amazing stuff.

00:09:39.340 It's like he's just out there

00:09:40.360 glad-handing,

00:09:41.320 trying to network,

00:09:42.260 trying to build up

00:09:43.020 his own popularity

00:09:43.840 among other politicians.

00:09:46.080 I mean, you can hardly

00:09:47.020 blame the media

00:09:47.540 for not covering this stuff.

00:09:48.580 I mean, it's not exactly

00:09:49.400 riveting stuff.

00:09:50.440 As far as Pierre Polyev's

00:09:52.000 fight against inflation,

00:09:52.960 I completely agree.

00:09:53.760 Pierre does a very good job

00:09:55.240 addressing this issue

00:09:56.460 by discussing the problem.

00:09:57.700 He's very articulate

00:09:58.580 at understanding

00:09:59.580 what the problem is

00:10:00.420 and explaining it

00:10:01.700 in a way to help people

00:10:03.120 understand how it's connected

00:10:04.220 to the Trudeau government's

00:10:05.600 fiscal policies.

00:10:06.680 But when it comes

00:10:07.400 to inflation in general,

00:10:08.860 it's not Pierre Polyev's job

00:10:10.820 to articulate

00:10:11.840 what the Conservative Party

00:10:13.060 would do differently.

00:10:14.300 That's Aaron O'Toole's job.

00:10:15.540 So Pierre explains the problems.

00:10:17.080 But then when it comes

00:10:17.720 to a solution,

00:10:18.780 that still falls to the feet

00:10:20.080 of Aaron O'Toole

00:10:20.880 and his position on inflation,

00:10:23.200 his position on spending,

00:10:24.620 on deficit spending,

00:10:25.760 on monetary policy.

00:10:27.300 It really isn't that much

00:10:28.380 different than Justin Trudeau.

00:10:29.440 And this is part of the problem.

00:10:30.380 This is why Aaron O'Toole

00:10:31.760 has alienated so many people

00:10:33.720 in the Conservative base

00:10:34.640 because during the last election,

00:10:36.540 he talked about continuing

00:10:37.440 wanting to spend

00:10:39.380 like there's no tomorrow

00:10:40.260 to carry out Justin Trudeau's

00:10:41.920 COVID relief spending.

00:10:43.540 And he didn't really have

00:10:44.500 concrete plans

00:10:45.460 for reigning in spending

00:10:46.600 or how he would do it.

00:10:48.020 That wasn't what he was about.

00:10:49.400 So the idea that somehow

00:10:50.760 Aaron O'Toole would be

00:10:51.900 like totally different

00:10:52.840 than Justin Trudeau

00:10:53.500 when it comes to spending

00:10:54.600 and inflation,

00:10:55.600 well, that's just wrong.

00:10:56.480 That's just wrong.

00:10:57.140 And so that's why maybe

00:10:58.200 people aren't excited

00:10:59.080 about the Conservatives

00:11:00.140 on a fiscal perspective

00:11:01.040 because it's like

00:11:01.820 their policies aren't

00:11:03.040 that different from the Liberals.

00:11:04.000 And then when it comes

00:11:04.960 to Michelle Rumpel

00:11:05.820 standing up for the energy sector,

00:11:07.300 we know from that

00:11:08.060 Facebook Live video

00:11:09.480 where Michelle Rumpel

00:11:10.240 was complaining

00:11:10.900 about how Denise Batters

00:11:12.600 ruined her week

00:11:13.240 because she had

00:11:13.800 all these meetings planned

00:11:14.700 and all these media

00:11:15.380 appearances planned.

00:11:16.500 And then the media

00:11:17.240 wanted to cover

00:11:17.840 the infighting instead.

00:11:19.220 And she was complaining 0.86

00:11:19.980 about that.

00:11:20.940 You know, we know

00:11:21.360 that she's out there

00:11:22.140 making deals and stuff.

00:11:23.180 But again, the Liberals

00:11:24.080 have been in power

00:11:24.480 for five years.

00:11:25.560 During those five years,

00:11:26.780 the West,

00:11:27.500 Western Canada,

00:11:28.100 and specifically

00:11:28.920 the energy sector

00:11:30.340 have been a punching bag

00:11:31.920 for the Trudeau Liberals.

00:11:33.220 And I'm sorry to say,

00:11:33.880 but I don't really know

00:11:34.560 what the Conservatives

00:11:35.400 are doing to change that

00:11:36.520 or to make that different.

00:11:37.600 It's not like

00:11:37.980 they've assembled

00:11:38.520 some huge coalition

00:11:39.740 of Western Canadian leaders

00:11:41.240 and oil sands leaders

00:11:42.200 and people to fight

00:11:43.260 back against Trudeau.

00:11:44.180 They're just, again,

00:11:44.900 kind of out there

00:11:45.380 glad-handing

00:11:46.160 and giving speeches

00:11:47.640 and lots and lots

00:11:48.760 of rhetoric,

00:11:49.500 but very few solutions.

00:11:50.780 And when it comes

00:11:51.380 to the actual policy

00:11:53.140 of Aaron O'Toole,

00:11:54.060 again,

00:11:54.940 he's for Carpentax.

00:11:56.080 So the idea that somehow

00:11:57.300 Aaron O'Toole

00:11:58.040 is substantially different

00:11:59.080 than Justin Trudeau

00:12:00.560 when it comes

00:12:01.260 to the cost of living stuff,

00:12:02.220 when it comes

00:12:02.520 to inflation stuff,

00:12:03.300 even when it comes

00:12:04.120 to the oil sector

00:12:05.120 in Western Canada,

00:12:06.080 I'm sorry,

00:12:06.860 but just because

00:12:07.980 you're out there

00:12:08.540 criticizing Trudeau

00:12:09.860 doesn't mean

00:12:10.280 you're actually

00:12:10.580 doing something.

00:12:11.300 When it comes

00:12:11.780 to the substance,

00:12:12.700 I don't see

00:12:13.340 a lot of difference.

00:12:13.980 And then as far as

00:12:14.700 Eric Duncan

00:12:15.480 holding the Liberals

00:12:16.220 accountable to end

00:12:17.020 the bloodbath,

00:12:18.000 I don't know how,

00:12:19.180 you know,

00:12:19.540 naming the top four

00:12:20.400 priorities of the

00:12:21.700 Conservative opposition

00:12:23.100 that this would even

00:12:24.140 be in the top four.

00:12:25.320 I mean,

00:12:25.860 to me,

00:12:26.320 it sort of shows

00:12:27.140 how out of touch

00:12:28.480 the Conservatives are,

00:12:29.420 that out of touch

00:12:30.200 this elite Conservative.

00:12:31.640 I mean,

00:12:31.880 look at this guy.

00:12:32.460 He's the president

00:12:32.880 of the Conservative Party.

00:12:33.960 He's from Nova Scotia

00:12:35.480 and he's got his pronouns

00:12:36.880 in his bio.

00:12:38.140 The only people I know

00:12:38.900 who put their pronouns

00:12:39.720 in their bios

00:12:40.560 are like the most extreme

00:12:41.900 social justice

00:12:43.040 left-wing people.

00:12:44.000 So I don't really know

00:12:44.860 who this guy

00:12:45.460 is trying to appeal to.

00:12:46.540 I don't really understand

00:12:47.280 why this is one

00:12:47.920 of the priorities

00:12:48.480 of the party.

00:12:49.540 But regardless,

00:12:50.380 this party is so

00:12:51.400 out of touch.

00:12:51.980 And I wanted to show

00:12:53.280 you this one response

00:12:54.060 again.

00:12:54.360 I'm really not one

00:12:55.160 to defend the legacy media,

00:12:57.080 but this is pretty spot on.

00:12:58.480 This is David Aiken,

00:12:59.220 the bureau chief

00:13:00.220 over at Global News.

00:13:01.540 He says this,

00:13:02.200 No one in the

00:13:03.600 Opposition Leader's Office

00:13:04.660 comm shop is

00:13:05.560 A, responding to our queries

00:13:06.980 or B, told us

00:13:08.620 O'Toole was going to be C. 0.82

00:13:10.060 Also, check your DMs, Rob,

00:13:11.640 because we've been trying

00:13:12.740 to reach you too.

00:13:13.980 Pierre and Michelle,

00:13:14.680 on the other hand,

00:13:15.220 run their own comms

00:13:16.200 and we've been talking

00:13:17.300 lots about both of them.

00:13:19.160 So sick burn

00:13:19.940 from David Aiken

00:13:20.760 over at Global News

00:13:22.180 because here you have

00:13:23.620 a conservative guy

00:13:24.920 complaining that the media

00:13:26.220 is not covering

00:13:26.780 all this important stuff

00:13:27.860 he's doing.

00:13:29.040 Meantime,

00:13:29.620 it turns out that

00:13:30.260 the guy doesn't even

00:13:30.920 respond to emails.

00:13:32.380 What an amateur joke

00:13:33.740 this conservative party

00:13:34.860 is looking like

00:13:35.900 from the outside here.

00:13:37.360 And lots of people

00:13:37.960 rightfully critiquing

00:13:39.060 Erin O'Toole

00:13:39.760 for this weird show.

00:13:41.780 So our friend

00:13:42.240 JJ McCullough,

00:13:43.000 YouTuber and a

00:13:44.100 Washington Post columnist

00:13:45.660 says first,

00:13:46.880 You're going to just

00:13:47.340 purge and silence people

00:13:48.640 who have different opinions,

00:13:49.860 Mr. O'Toole.

00:13:50.780 Then he goes on to say,

00:13:51.640 You know,

00:13:51.800 at the end of the day,

00:13:52.440 the Conservative Party of Canada

00:13:53.380 only really has one job

00:13:54.560 and it's nominating a leader

00:13:55.840 who can get elected

00:13:56.700 prime minister.

00:13:57.600 If the party has failed

00:13:58.320 to do this,

00:13:58.860 and they have,

00:13:59.680 then they have to resolve

00:14:00.920 this glaring problem

00:14:01.780 before anything else.

00:14:03.100 Very, very good point.

00:14:04.600 JJ,

00:14:05.320 Sheila Gunn-Ree,

00:14:06.240 the Alberta Bureau Chief

00:14:07.120 over at Rebel News,

00:14:08.360 likewise makes a great point.

00:14:09.760 She says this,

00:14:10.480 self-admiring yet failed leader

00:14:12.400 who can't seem to handle

00:14:13.760 any sort of criticism

00:14:14.780 fires a woman 1.00

00:14:15.820 for standing up to him.

00:14:17.080 Could be Trudeau.

00:14:17.860 Today it's Erin O'Toole. 0.76

00:14:19.060 What an absolute disgrace.

00:14:21.260 My colleague Andrew Lawton

00:14:22.180 makes a great point as well.

00:14:23.140 He says in 2017,

00:14:24.860 Andrew Scheer appointed

00:14:25.960 almost every one

00:14:26.880 of his leadership opponents

00:14:27.760 to his shadow cabinet.

00:14:29.320 Of Erin O'Toole's

00:14:30.200 three leadership opponents,

00:14:31.460 one was kicked from caucus,

00:14:32.680 that's Derek Sloan,

00:14:33.660 one was discouraged from running,

00:14:35.080 that was Peter McKay,

00:14:35.880 and one was elected

00:14:36.820 to the House of Commons

00:14:37.640 but was snubbed

00:14:38.420 from the shadow cabinet.

00:14:39.720 That was Leslie Lewis.

00:14:40.580 So again,

00:14:41.000 we're told that this is all

00:14:42.400 a great sign of strength

00:14:43.760 from Erin O'Toole

00:14:44.580 but he's really alienating

00:14:46.560 a lot of people around him.

00:14:47.860 And so all of this

00:14:48.540 just sort of makes me wonder

00:14:50.360 about Erin O'Toole.

00:14:51.600 Like what,

00:14:52.020 at this point,

00:14:52.660 what exactly is his base?

00:14:54.600 Okay,

00:14:54.840 when you think of the base

00:14:55.720 of the Conservative Party,

00:14:56.880 you sort of have the social

00:14:57.920 and moral Conservatives.

00:14:59.080 They live across the country

00:15:00.740 more in the suburbs.

00:15:02.240 You have the fiscal Conservatives

00:15:04.200 and the Libertarians.

00:15:05.720 You have the sort of

00:15:06.400 Western Canada bloc,

00:15:07.640 who just wants

00:15:08.640 democratic reform

00:15:09.960 and they want more autonomy

00:15:11.680 for places like

00:15:12.600 Alberta and Saskatchewan.

00:15:13.880 And then you have

00:15:14.420 this sort of downtown

00:15:15.780 urban type Tories,

00:15:18.020 red Tory crowd.

00:15:19.320 And so if you go through

00:15:20.320 each of these groups,

00:15:22.020 you see how they're alienated.

00:15:23.700 What is Erin O'Toole 1.00

00:15:24.820 trying to do

00:15:25.520 to appease

00:15:26.500 social Conservatives?

00:15:27.340 I don't know.

00:15:27.800 The thing that he seemed

00:15:28.620 most excited about

00:15:29.760 during the election,

00:15:30.460 the thing he was

00:15:30.920 most passionate about

00:15:31.980 at times,

00:15:32.840 seemed to be

00:15:33.580 how he was talking about

00:15:34.520 how he was a pro-choice

00:15:35.900 liberal just like

00:15:36.580 Justin Trudeau.

00:15:37.240 So I don't really see him

00:15:38.720 gaining ground

00:15:39.560 or holding that

00:15:40.320 SOCON base.

00:15:41.400 When it comes to

00:15:42.260 Libertarians and

00:15:43.120 Fiscal Conservatives,

00:15:43.960 as I said,

00:15:45.000 Erin O'Toole was planning 0.77

00:15:45.840 to run deficits

00:15:46.840 and spend just as much

00:15:47.980 as Justin Trudeau.

00:15:48.900 And when it comes to

00:15:49.840 civil liberties

00:15:50.420 and the Libertarians,

00:15:52.060 I mean,

00:15:52.260 he made it pretty clear

00:15:53.080 that he didn't want

00:15:53.700 anything to do with

00:15:54.580 people who opposed

00:15:55.480 vaccines,

00:15:56.100 and he was more than

00:15:57.600 pushing them over

00:15:58.400 to Maxime Bernier's camp.

00:16:00.360 But then when it comes

00:16:01.040 to red Tories

00:16:01.760 and the more traditional

00:16:02.620 progressive Conservative voters,

00:16:04.160 well,

00:16:04.960 first of all,

00:16:05.420 he pushed Peter McKay

00:16:06.520 basically out of the party

00:16:07.700 and said that he didn't

00:16:08.360 want anything to do with them.

00:16:09.380 They had a weird

00:16:10.000 petty squabble

00:16:11.000 during the leadership race

00:16:11.840 where they were

00:16:12.240 suing each other.

00:16:13.140 But then also

00:16:13.800 Denise Batters,

00:16:14.540 she comes from that

00:16:15.340 sort of red Tory camp.

00:16:17.120 She was a progressive

00:16:17.820 Conservative before

00:16:18.740 the parties aligned

00:16:19.560 and she supported

00:16:20.520 Peter McKay

00:16:21.180 in the last election.

00:16:22.180 So it's not like

00:16:22.740 Denise Batters

00:16:23.760 is some far-right kook.

00:16:25.960 She's actually part

00:16:26.940 of the progressive wing

00:16:28.980 of the party.

00:16:30.040 And so,

00:16:30.380 again,

00:16:30.540 it's just so weird

00:16:32.160 for them to be

00:16:32.940 pushing her out,

00:16:33.660 pushing out a strong woman,

00:16:35.020 pushing out someone

00:16:35.700 who is part of that group.

00:16:37.860 It doesn't really resonate.

00:16:39.080 And so we're kind of left

00:16:39.960 looking at the party

00:16:41.040 and wondering,

00:16:42.040 like,

00:16:42.380 what is Aaron O'Toole's

00:16:43.780 constituents?

00:16:44.280 What kind of Conservative is he?

00:16:45.720 It's hard to tell

00:16:46.280 because he's flip-flopped so much

00:16:47.520 we don't really know

00:16:48.120 what he stands for.

00:16:48.960 But also,

00:16:49.520 I don't really know

00:16:50.280 at this point

00:16:50.820 what part of the party

00:16:52.040 is there to support him.

00:16:53.340 And I think that

00:16:53.800 that is the reason

00:16:54.620 why he's so worried

00:16:55.920 about facing the base,

00:16:57.160 facing the members.

00:16:57.940 He doesn't want

00:16:58.420 a leadership review

00:16:59.080 because he probably

00:17:00.320 doesn't have the support

00:17:01.200 or at least it's hard

00:17:02.340 to see at this point

00:17:03.500 how he possibly could.

00:17:05.340 And I think that is

00:17:06.360 the reason why

00:17:06.940 he's so afraid

00:17:07.860 to face the members,

00:17:09.040 face the base.

00:17:09.700 He doesn't want

00:17:10.140 a leadership review

00:17:10.860 because he's alienated

00:17:12.160 so many different parts

00:17:13.060 of the party.

00:17:13.820 It's hard to imagine

00:17:15.020 that he still has

00:17:16.040 the support

00:17:17.200 of the critical mass

00:17:18.660 of Conservative members

00:17:19.600 after the way

00:17:20.400 that he has treated

00:17:21.040 so many different people.

00:17:22.420 That's the real reason

00:17:23.280 why he doesn't want

00:17:24.400 to face leadership review.

00:17:25.840 That's why he's acting out

00:17:26.740 and kicking anyone

00:17:27.500 who disagrees with him

00:17:28.300 out of caucus.

00:17:28.780 I don't think

00:17:29.360 it's sustainable.

00:17:30.160 I don't think

00:17:30.520 it's going to last.

00:17:31.100 I don't think

00:17:31.480 things are looking good

00:17:32.340 for Erin O'Toole

00:17:33.300 as leader

00:17:33.640 of the Conservative Party.

00:17:34.660 I'm Candace Malcolm

00:17:35.180 and this is

00:17:35.760 The Candace Malcolm Show.

Juno News - November 17, 2021

Erin O’Toole alienates the Conservative base

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