Juno News - Every Canadian needs to push back against forced vaccinations

00:00:00.000 The CBC and the Trudeau government are suddenly talking about the idea of a forced vaccine.

00:00:05.660 Every single Canadian needs to fight back against this insane and authoritarian idea.

00:00:10.800 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:17.340 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the podcast.

00:00:20.560 So on Friday afternoon, this story suddenly hit the internet and the reaction was absolutely

00:00:25.820 unbelievable.

00:00:26.260 When I read the story, I actually had to read it twice to make sure that it was fully

00:00:30.140 comprehending what it was that they were trying to say because the headline itself and the

00:00:34.220 immediate reaction was bad.

00:00:35.820 It was bad and I'm happy to say that it was bad because at least Canadians are starting 1.00

00:00:39.740 to see or at least the Canadians who hang out online, hang out on Twitter are saying no,

00:00:43.880 absolutely not.

00:00:45.060 So here's a headline that the CBC put out.

00:00:47.820 It says that provinces could make vaccination mandatory, says Federal Health Minister.

00:00:52.440 Federal Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos says vaccination remains the only way out of the

00:00:58.080 pandemic.

00:00:59.100 Okay, just put this out there.

00:01:00.820 There's a huge distinction between a vaccine that everyone's encouraged to take, a huge

00:01:05.600 difference between that and a vaccine mandate, a vaccine mandate where you cannot participate

00:01:10.040 in certain elements of society.

00:01:11.320 You may lose your job if you don't comply with this forced vaccines.

00:01:15.180 That's already a big gulf, right?

00:01:17.180 And then what we're talking about here is an even bigger gulf, saying that we're now going

00:01:20.680 to talk about the idea of a mandatory vaccine, a forced policy where every Canadian, regardless

00:01:26.000 of their ethics, regardless of their own health, regardless of their religion, anything else,

00:01:30.100 regardless of their conscience, that they would be forced by the federal government or

00:01:34.000 the provincial government, forced by a government to have a vaccine, to inject something into

00:01:38.880 your body.

00:01:39.680 This is insane.

00:01:40.620 This is going way further than anywhere that we've gone and anywhere that we've really

00:01:44.980 seen.

00:01:45.320 This is totally unchartered territory.

00:01:47.420 And the fact that they just sort of casually released this story on a Friday afternoon,

00:01:51.860 unbelievable, unbelievable.

00:01:53.240 The fact that they're even talking about this should raise unbelievable alarm bells.

00:01:56.740 You should feel so uneasy with the fact that they're even talking about this.

00:01:59.840 And we saw that there was sort of reaction, not just from Canadians, but people all over

00:02:03.960 the world that are sort of watching Canada, wondering, are they about to go down the path

00:02:07.580 that Australia has gone down and just go like completely COVID authoritarian crazy?

00:02:12.260 Well, this story really makes us think that we are headed in that direction.

00:02:15.600 So here is what the health minister says.

00:02:18.240 Here's what the CBC story says.

00:02:20.000 It says, provinces are likely to introduce mandatory vaccine policies in the coming months

00:02:25.860 to deal with a surge in COVID-19 caseloads, health minister Jean-Yves Duclos said today.

00:02:30.660 What we see now is that our health care system in Canada is fragile.

00:02:33.760 Our people are tired.

00:02:34.760 And the only way that we know to get through COVID-19, this variant and any future variant

00:02:39.520 is through vaccination.

00:02:40.880 OK, that in and of itself is sort of in line with what they've been saying all along.

00:02:44.960 And it's true. 0.56

00:02:45.760 Of course, Canada's health care system is fragile.

00:02:47.860 It is underfunded.

00:02:49.060 It is chronically mismanaged.

00:02:50.720 It's centrally planned.

00:02:51.560 It's socialism.

00:02:52.460 And socialism doesn't really work.

00:02:53.680 So it's only a matter of time before this thing collapses.

00:02:56.220 And obviously, it's being tested and tested and tested.

00:02:59.080 People are tired.

00:02:59.720 That's right.

00:03:00.280 Everyone wants to get out of this stupid pandemic.

00:03:02.240 And people really, really don't like being locked down.

00:03:04.720 And then the government's position, longstanding, that they believe that the only way to get

00:03:08.640 out of COVID is through vaccination.

00:03:10.860 Nothing new there.

00:03:11.920 Says Duclos said that while rapid tests, masking and social distancing are useful tools, they

00:03:16.280 won't end the pandemic on their own.

00:03:18.040 And then CBC includes this statistic.

00:03:20.180 He says 50% of hospitalizations now in Quebec are due to people not having been vaccinated,

00:03:25.760 he said.

00:03:26.180 OK, but just right off the bat there.

00:03:27.900 So if 50% of hospitalizations are for people not being vaccinated, so unvaccinated 50%,

00:03:33.120 the obvious counterpoint to that is that 50% of people in the hospital are vaccinated.

00:03:38.840 So just right there, they completely undercut their own point that the only way out of this

00:03:43.460 pandemic is vaccinations, that everyone needs to get vaccinated to protect yourself.

00:03:46.820 It's like, well, your own point about 50% shows that that's just simply not the case.

00:03:52.740 Even if everybody was vaccinated, the hospital, you know, at least half would still be in there.

00:03:57.700 Like, it doesn't make any sense.

00:03:59.280 It's wrong.

00:03:59.980 And they undercut their own point right there.

00:04:02.900 He says, that's a burden on health care workers, a burden on society, which is very

00:04:06.940 difficult to bear and for many people difficult to understand.

00:04:10.140 That's why I'm signaling this is a conversation which I believe provinces and territories in

00:04:14.560 support with the federal government will want to have over the next week's month.

00:04:18.300 Declos said that while discussions about mandatory vaccination policies are not taking place now,

00:04:22.700 he believes that based on his personal understanding of what we see internationally and domestically,

00:04:27.500 and in some of my conversations with health ministers over the past few weeks,

00:04:30.740 the discussion will start in the coming weeks and months.

00:04:33.620 OK, so the health minister here is first saying that that these conversations are not happening

00:04:38.820 right now, that no one's no one's actually talking about mandatory vaccines.

00:04:41.900 However, he's sort of encouraging people to start having those conversations in the next

00:04:46.300 weeks and months.

00:04:46.780 And he's saying based on his current conversations with health ministers over the past few weeks,

00:04:51.900 they are talking about it or they will talk about it.

00:04:54.120 So sort of muddled ideas here.

00:04:55.740 But basically what they're doing is they're introducing this idea to the public.

00:04:59.100 They're introducing the idea that mandatory vaccines are just sort of the next logical

00:05:03.180 step.

00:05:03.500 So first, we introduced these vaccines and we encouraged everyone to voluntarily take them.

00:05:07.900 We tried to create incentives.

00:05:09.820 We tried to encourage them using our own methods of sort of just encouraging the public to do it.

00:05:16.220 That only got us so far.

00:05:17.660 So the next step that we introduced was these vaccine passports and sort of vaccine mandates

00:05:22.700 to fire people and not allow people to access certain areas of society unless not only did

00:05:27.500 they get vaccinated, but they would show you a sort of government issued piece of verification

00:05:33.580 to prove that they're vaccinated.

00:05:35.580 And then sort of the next logical step will just be, OK, now everyone has to do it.

00:05:39.020 Like, I don't know exactly what it looked like.

00:05:40.780 We're going to go door to door and just like force you to get vaccinated against your will.

00:05:44.620 Or, you know, they don't spell it out in the story, but they're kind of just like suggesting

00:05:48.620 that this is like the next logical step in this pandemic is, OK, we've exhausted all other areas.

00:05:54.620 Next step is just sort of forced vaccination, which is obviously a totally, totally terrifying idea.

00:06:00.540 And this is kind of how the Overton window gets moved.

00:06:03.340 Right.

00:06:03.660 So so the very first time that we heard about the idea of a vaccine mandate, it didn't sound right.

00:06:10.060 It sounded like something that was un-Canadian that wouldn't happen in Canada,

00:06:13.500 something that, you know, a fascist authoritarian government would do requiring citizens to show

00:06:18.940 their health, to verify certain aspects of their health before being able to access certain parts

00:06:24.140 of society, being able to keep their job, et cetera.

00:06:26.460 And it was it was so offside with with sort of what Canadians would generally think that almost

00:06:31.820 everyone universally came out against the idea of vaccine mandates.

00:06:35.340 So one year ago, we had Prime Minister Justin Trudeau say, no, we're not going to do vaccine mandates.

00:06:39.900 Six months ago, we had both Premier Ford and Jason Kenney saying, no, they're not going to do vaccine

00:06:44.380 mandates. And yet here we are, you know, in January 2022 with fully rolled out vaccine mandates, it's

00:06:50.860 increasing in certain parts of the country. We had that story out in, I think it was New Brunswick,

00:06:55.980 where you had to have a vaccine to get into a grocery store. Thankfully, that was overturned.

00:07:00.620 But but but but it's here to stay. Even Ontario that said it was going to be temporary, they said it was

00:07:05.020 going to be gone by January. Well, it's January. It's still here. So here is a clip showing you how

00:07:09.660 politicians were against vaccine mandates before they were for it. I think it's an interesting idea,

00:07:14.780 but I think it is also fraught with challenges. We are certainly encouraging and motivating people

00:07:21.580 to get vaccinated as quickly as possible. We always know there are people who won't get vaccinated

00:07:28.860 and not necessarily through a a personal or political choice. There are medical reasons.

00:07:33.980 There are a broad range of reasons why someone might not get vaccinated. And I'm worried about

00:07:40.460 creating creating knock on undesirable effects in our community. What's your position of vaccine

00:07:46.300 passports for those individuals unwilling to be vaccinated? Opposed. And we've been very clear

00:07:50.300 from the beginning that we will not facilitate or accept vaccine passports. And that, in fact, 0.52

00:07:54.700 we regard I believe that they would, in principle, contravene the Health Information Act and also

00:08:02.060 possibly the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act. We also amended the Public Health Act

00:08:07.740 to remove the 110 year old power, allowing Alberta to force people to be inoculated. So these folks who

00:08:14.460 are concerned about mandatory vaccines have nothing to be concerned about. And there will be no vaccine

00:08:18.620 passports in Alberta. Will your government provide an actual card or proof of vaccination?

00:08:24.300 And if not, why not? Well, I've never believed in proof. Everyone gets their proof. When they get

00:08:29.580 the vaccination, you're right. Anything can be fraudulent, right down from money to certifications.

00:08:35.420 I just, no, we aren't doing it. Simple as that. And we're just going to move forward. Now, if it's federal,

00:08:42.780 getting across the border, that's up to the federal government. We'll see what they decide to do.

00:08:47.660 I'll be talking to the prime minister tonight. But the answer is no, we aren't going to do it.

00:08:52.060 We aren't going to have a split society. So as you can see, all of these politicians were opposed to

00:08:57.020 the idea of vaccine passports before they inevitably came around. And so a lot of people were worried,

00:09:01.580 like when this CBC story came out and when this Trudeau minister came out saying that mandatory

00:09:06.380 vaccines are coming, we saw a lot of reaction. And thank goodness we saw that. But there's some

00:09:11.500 skepticism about the reaction, particularly from politicians like Jason Kenney, because a lot of

00:09:15.980 people were like, well, wait a minute. You were also really against the idea of vaccine passports

00:09:20.620 before you slowly caved. You know, when the situation changed, the media continued to drum

00:09:26.620 up fear and anxiety about COVID. The cases are on the rise. Politicians kind of stuck saying, okay,

00:09:31.980 well, we don't really have a lot of other options given the limitations of our health care system.

00:09:35.900 And so a lot of people are kind of worried that we would be heading in the same path, that just like

00:09:41.260 how everyone was opposed to vaccine mandates a year ago or half a year ago. Everyone's opposed

00:09:45.580 to this idea of forced vaccines right now. But what will things look like if we continue to get

00:09:51.500 hit by Omicron and all the cases are skyrocketing, or if there's another variant that comes out after

00:09:57.260 Omicron that perhaps is worse, it's perhaps spreads as much as Omicron, but has a deadlier impact like

00:10:03.180 Delta. We don't know what's going to happen in the future. And so a lot of people are just really

00:10:07.580 uneasy and sort of concerned that this is just going to be the next iteration of the vaccine

00:10:13.980 passports, just like everyone opposed them before. And then slowly everyone came around. Maybe the

00:10:18.060 same thing will happen in this idea of forcing people to get vaccinated will become sort of a

00:10:23.020 normalized idea that Trudeau, again, is just trying to push the Overton window, trying to introduce us

00:10:28.220 now to kind of give us a taste to get us talking about it. And then everyone says, no, no, no, we don't

00:10:32.700 want it. But you know, slowly over time, this this idea will start, you know, start appealing to more

00:10:37.740 people, more people will start making the case for it. And who knows, maybe six months or a year from

00:10:42.540 now, we might be in a position where this is actually something that the government is introducing,

00:10:47.340 which is truly, truly terrifying. Now, I want to I want to get into a bit more about this idea that the

00:10:52.860 pandemic is no longer a pandemic of just the unvaccinated. This is what politicians like to promote

00:10:58.300 this idea. Certainly, the Trudeau government is really fixated on the idea, this idea that all

00:11:02.300 we have to do is get everyone vaccinated. And we're done. We're out of this thing, right? Like,

00:11:06.780 again, six months ago, the idea was that all we have to do is is get this this vaccine mandate

00:11:11.580 system in place where you have to show that you've been vaccinated in order to enter certain certain

00:11:16.620 institutions in society, including going to grocery shop in places like New Brunswick. Thankfully,

00:11:21.340 they rolled that back. But you know, even just going out to the movies, going out for dinner,

00:11:25.580 going and participating in society in a normal way, having a job, many jobs now require the vaccine.

00:11:31.740 We're told that that was going to be a way out of pandemic. But it certainly clearly wasn't given

00:11:36.940 that we still went into lockdown, Ontario and Quebec, despite having these vaccine passport systems 0.96

00:11:41.660 in place. But this idea that all we have to do is get everyone vaccinated is wrong. It's wrong on the

00:11:45.980 surface. And I alluded to this already, when they said that the health officials in Quebec say that

00:11:50.300 about 50 percent of covid hospitals hospitalizations right now are of people who are unvaccinated,

00:11:56.300 which the obvious response to that is to say, well, that means 50 percent are vaccinated,

00:11:59.980 which means that even if everyone's vaccinated would still have lots, lots of hospitalizations.

00:12:04.380 I don't know exactly what percentage, but but clearly, if people who are vaccinated are still

00:12:09.180 being hospitalized because of covid, then then vaccines aren't aren't the silver bullet. They're not the

00:12:14.540 only way out. And other other provinces, the data is even more clear. I showed this on the show last

00:12:19.580 week. These are updated figures and it's even more stark. So look at this. This is the number of people

00:12:24.300 in the hospital. Now that that dark red slice of the pie or that purple slice of the pie in the top

00:12:28.860 right corner, it's like less than 25 percent of people. Those are the unvaccinated cases. Those are the

00:12:34.220 small one quarter of the pie of the pie slice is unvaccinated. 457 cases, less than 25 percent.

00:12:42.860 The rest of the pie are either fully vaccinated or partially vaccinated. So more than three quarters

00:12:47.900 of the people in the hospital, but not the ICU in Ontario right now are vaccinated. They're vaccinated.

00:12:53.980 So the whole point, you know, with this idea that we just have to get everyone vaccinated and we'll be

00:12:58.460 out of the pandemic is wrong on the surface. The data, the science isn't isn't backing that up.

00:13:02.940 When you look at people in the ICU, more than half, more than half of the people in the ICU right now

00:13:08.540 are either fully vaccinated or partially vaccinated. The darker green part here,

00:13:12.620 which looks like it's about 45 percent of people in the ICU right now are unvaccinated.

00:13:18.620 And we know this. The vaccine companies have come out themselves and said, look,

00:13:23.340 these vaccines don't necessarily protect you against Omicron, the new variant. It's mutated in

00:13:27.820 a way that it's figured out a way to get around the vaccine and still attack people who are vaccinated.

00:13:33.340 So what a strange time for the Trudeau government to then go and say that all we have to do is get

00:13:37.980 everyone vaccinated and we'll get out of this pandemic when the stats of the people in the

00:13:43.340 hospital right now in this current wave with Omicron is hitting both sides. It's hitting both

00:13:47.420 the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Now, I want to get into another point here because the story is

00:13:52.860 sort of hinting towards this idea that it's up to the provinces. It's not federal jurisdiction,

00:13:58.700 but the health minister is saying that this is something that is coming, that the provinces are

00:14:02.700 either talking about or going to be talking about. But then the CBC goes into what the provincial

00:14:08.460 responses have been. And it's the exact opposite of the story. It's the exact opposite. So we hear

00:14:13.260 from four provinces in this news story, Quebec, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Nova Scotia. And all four

00:14:19.180 of those provinces say, no, say, no, we're not. This is not something that we're doing. This is not

00:14:23.180 happening. We're not talking or going to introduce mandatory vaccines, which again just shows how out of

00:14:28.300 touch both the CBC and the Trudeau government are for trying to bring this conversation up and

00:14:33.020 trying to normalize it. Meanwhile, the whole basis of the story is that this is something the provinces

00:14:37.500 might do. And then when they go and talk to the provinces themselves, the provinces say, no, this

00:14:41.740 is, this is why the story is fake news. It's just a CBC trying to condition us to get ready. This is

00:14:46.380 going to come. So, so first it says Quebec, a spokesperson for Quebec's health minister said Friday

00:14:51.500 that mandatory vaccination is not something the province is looking at yet. Jason Kenney likewise came out

00:14:57.100 very strongly on social media. And he said that his government will not make vaccines mandatory. He

00:15:01.980 says, Alberta's legislator removed the power of mandatory vaccination from the Public Health Act

00:15:07.100 last year and will not revisit that decision period. While we strongly encourage those who are eligible

00:15:12.700 to get vaccinated, it is ultimately a personal choice that the individual must make. So good for

00:15:18.220 him. And this is a strong tweet. This is good. This is what you want to hear from Jason Kenney, the Alberta

00:15:23.420 conservative premier. However, as a little side note, as a little footnote, it should be noted

00:15:28.860 that, that Kenny was also very opposed to the idea of a vaccine mandate before he flip-flopped and

00:15:34.060 introduced that. So, so I think that that's why some people are, you know, taking a hint of caution

00:15:39.100 when it comes to, you know, cheerleading for Jason Kenney right now, just because we've seen this before.

00:15:44.460 Likewise, Saskatchewan premier Scott Moe issued a statement saying that while he strongly encourages

00:15:48.300 people to get vaccinated, his province will not be implementing a mandatory vaccine policy.

00:15:52.620 And finally, Nova Scotia, their chief medical officer was on CBC radio. And in an interview

00:15:57.500 on Saturday, he addressed this and he said that the province isn't considering mandatory vaccines,

00:16:01.980 but they are considering increasing the sort of scope of the vaccine passport. So again, CBC making

00:16:07.500 it seem like this is something that people are talking about that's coming. And yet they couldn't

00:16:10.700 even find a single example of someone even entertaining this idea. They found four people who said, no,

00:16:16.380 no way, no way. And so they couldn't find any examples in Canada. So they move on and they sort of

00:16:21.020 hint towards the idea that Europe is heading in this direction. However, they, they, again,

00:16:25.980 can't find any examples in Europe of a country actually implementing this policy. They don't.

00:16:31.740 They say that some countries such as Austria and Greece have moved in that direction. Okay. Moving

00:16:37.260 in that direction. And the example is that they, there are some European countries who are implementing

00:16:42.060 fines if you're not vaccinated. But, but again, a fine for someone who's not vaccinated is not really the

00:16:46.940 same thing as mandatory vaccines. When you hear mandatory vaccines, what do you think?

00:16:50.860 You think of them like going door to door and saying, show us your papers. Are you vaccinated?

00:16:55.340 If not, we're going to force you to do it right now. We're going to arrest you and like force it

00:16:59.100 upon you. And, and, and, and then when, when they're saying what the actual example is, is that,

00:17:03.260 okay, in Greece, if you're over the age of 60 and you're not vaccinated, you're now subject to a monthly

00:17:08.140 $100 fine. I, when, when I read that, I thought, you know, a lot of people I know who are holdouts

00:17:13.900 who refuse to get vaccinated, don't want to get vaccinated. They'll probably take the fine. If,

00:17:17.580 if you could just pay a fine, if, if the government said, okay, you're creating a risk to the healthcare

00:17:22.700 system, pay a hundred dollars a month as like an extra tax or a fine. And then you can live your

00:17:27.740 life as normal. You don't have to lose your job. You don't have to be restricted from going outside.

00:17:33.100 You don't have to comply to all of these hoops and all of these crazy vaccine policies.

00:17:37.980 I think a lot of people would take it. I think a lot of people would say, okay,

00:17:40.620 I would rather give you a hundred bucks a month and have my freedom, um, than the current system

00:17:44.860 that we have now. So again, the CPC is trying to normalize this, trying to say that this is,

00:17:49.100 this is out there and this is coming, but it isn't, it isn't. And Canadians should not be fooled

00:17:54.140 into thinking this is something normal, something that we will accept down the road. This is the kind

00:17:57.900 of policy that Canadians must fight back against and must say no to. So I've got some examples of

00:18:02.780 Canadians doing just that pushing back against this concept of mandatory vaccines. So Michael

00:18:07.740 Cooper, who is the conservative MP for St. Albert Edmonton, he writes this,

00:18:12.140 this is outrageous. Justin Trudeau's government is entering into truly dangerous authoritarian

00:18:17.020 territory. State imposed, involuntary medical interventions are un-Canadian and have no place

00:18:22.940 in a free and democratic society. This is absolutely right. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

00:18:27.660 And, and this tweet just emphasizes the seriousness, um, of the story and, and of this idea. It's,

00:18:33.260 it's not just some stupid harebrained scheme that Trudeau and the CBC are trying to push.

00:18:37.500 Like Michael Cooper says, this is truly dangerous authoritarian territory. And yes,

00:18:42.540 they have no place in a free and democratic society. Likewise, Paul Hidman, who is the leader

00:18:47.100 of the Wildrose independence party of Alberta writes this unconstitutional divisive and immoral.

00:18:53.100 Wildrose denounces this mandatory vaccination plan. Jason Kenney must also immediately denounce

00:18:58.540 mandatory COVID vaccines. Well, he did absolutely. Someone shared this tweet and I know this isn't

00:19:02.860 scientific and I don't even know if this was the final outcome of this poll, but CTV had a poll on

00:19:08.620 their website asking, should Alberta introduce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy? And as you can

00:19:15.180 see, 85% said, no, I like to, I like to interview or talk to one of those 1700 people, the 15% that said,

00:19:23.340 yes, because I don't understand how anyone could be for this policy. Jordan Peterson,

00:19:29.180 likewise, I don't know if he's specifically talking about this story and this idea of a mandatory

00:19:34.140 vaccine, but, or, or just generally commenting, but this is absolutely right. He says these mandates

00:19:39.020 bring out the petty authoritarian and everyone tasked with enforcing them, not a good practice

00:19:43.660 in a free society. That that's absolutely right. And we have to take stock. We have to pause every now

00:19:48.700 and then look around us and look at the way that the world is. Look at, look at the things that we've

00:19:53.020 allowed our government to do, the powers that we've given them and the things that, that we've just

00:19:56.940 complied with again, hoping that it will help our health, hoping that it will help us get out of this

00:20:01.100 pandemic. This is one of those policies that really, really makes you, makes you stop and think that,

00:20:06.300 that we are, we are heading in the wrong direction. We have been heading in the wrong direction

00:20:09.820 for a long, long time. We should have drawn a line a long time ago. Canada continues to creep

00:20:14.780 into unventured territory with regards to the power that the government has over our lives and

00:20:20.220 the types of solutions that they're discussing, um, that are being normalized by institutions like

00:20:24.860 the CBC. Uh, this, this policy right here, the idea of forced vaccines, this is our red line. This

00:20:30.940 must be our red line as a country. We must all stand together in lockstep to say, absolutely not,

00:20:37.020 no, there will never be a policy of mandatory vaccines in Canada, period. I'm Candice Malcolm,

00:20:43.100 and this is the Candice Malcolm show.

Juno News - January 11, 2022

Every Canadian needs to push back against forced vaccinations

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