Juno News - October 29, 2018


EXCLUSIVE： Andrew Lawton with Tommy Robinson

Topics
reporting restrictions Islam and child sexual slavery gangs
Hosted by
Andrew Lawton
Mentioned
Tommy Robinson Mohammed Nazir Afzal Rotherham
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Length

9 minutes

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193.69

Word count

1,853

Sentence count

123

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

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Toxicity

10

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Hate speech

12

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In this episode, I speak to Tommy Robinson, who is facing a contempt of court charge of contempt for his role in the Free Tommy movement. He talks about the lack of due process in the UK court system, and how the media and the police treat their own enemies.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Joining me now is Tommy Robinson, the man who has become really the epicenter of a discussion,
00:00:10.220 not just about due process, but one of the way the media treats the people it determines
00:00:15.060 are its enemies, and the same goes for the state.
00:00:17.780 Tommy Robinson, thanks for your time today.
00:00:19.540 It's fine. Thanks for coming over.
00:00:20.920 So what is happening that has brought me to the United Kingdom?
00:00:24.380 You facing another court hearing for contempt of court is really, it seems,
00:00:28.820 a microcosm of a bigger discussion that's going on right now, which is that there's a lot more outrage
00:00:33.620 for people that are talking about issues than there are for the issues themselves.
00:00:38.520 Even if you, I don't know if you've seen, yes, when the reporting restrictions were lifted
00:00:41.920 and it come out that 20 of these men have been found guilty, the media run a couple of stories
00:00:47.600 about that, but then all of them went on full attack against me. So they all used it.
00:00:51.860 They were more talking about Tommy Robinson and how I could have freed these men and I jeopardized
00:00:56.900 the court trial, which is nonsense, which I've got a statement that I'll read out in court tomorrow,
00:01:02.160 which I've got the transcripts from the court trial. I've got the judge talking to the CPS.
00:01:06.760 I don't know if you've seen them. I've shared parts of them online.
00:01:09.180 The judge talking to the CPS saying that nothing I said, even if seen by the jury,
00:01:13.180 could have prejudiced the trial. Now, what we have in this country now is so many of these rape gangs 0.89
00:01:18.000 across our country, so many of the court trials, and what they've done in all of the previous ones now,
00:01:22.980 they put blanket reporting restrictions, which are too far. If you talk about this case,
00:01:29.500 you breach this law. Now, what that does then, if they didn't have reporting restrictions,
00:01:36.160 every day we'd be hearing what's happened to the girls. We'd be hearing what the men said.
00:01:40.340 We'd be hearing the details. Every day you'd have a different headline. But by putting reporting
00:01:44.120 restrictions on them, for the last year, as I said, over 20 men have faced trial in three separate
00:01:48.300 trials. No one's heard a word. And then at the end, when they're found guilty, you get one day's news.
00:01:52.420 So that's what I believe these reporting restrictions are being used for. There's no
00:01:55.980 logical reason for them otherwise. People say it's so that they can have a fair trial.
00:01:59.980 They can still have a fair trial with people being reported of what's happening in the trial.
00:02:03.360 You just don't need to give the verdicts. So that's what this has been about. And I think that
00:02:07.080 what sprung from this was a movement. It was a movement not necessarily about me. When I was put
00:02:12.960 in prison, obviously it was me that was in prison. But I think the Free Tommy movement was more about
00:02:16.860 people feel silenced everywhere. People are seeing this. People are witnessing it. They're
00:02:22.420 having their Facebook account shut down, their Twitter account shut down. They know they can't
00:02:25.940 speak openly at work about their views. They know the media are labeling them. All of this
00:02:29.980 has combined into what's now a symbol, more of a symbol than anything else.
00:02:35.300 If you replace Muslim gangs with any other group, do you think the same phenomenon happens? 0.73
00:02:42.520 It's what I'm saying in court tomorrow. If 29 white Christian priests were facing charges
00:02:48.200 of raping young children and there was a blanket reporting restriction, I'd feel exactly the same 0.98
00:02:52.560 way. But we have a certain protected group in Britain where you're not allowed to talk about.
00:02:59.380 You are deemed straight away. You're slandered. You're attacked. You're generally attacked
00:03:04.540 from everywhere, from the establishment, from the police, from the media. Everyone lines up on who
00:03:10.080 can attack you most. And the crazy thing is about this is that the media... In 2018, a British citizen
00:03:16.660 can be taken off the streets. And when I was reporting on that Friday, it was a Friday morning,
00:03:22.560 I was reporting. Every bit of information I was reporting was already in the public domain.
00:03:26.220 I was taken off the streets and what has now been judged as a flawed case, an unlawful imprisonment,
00:03:31.580 I was put in prison within five hours. Now, that day, the judge, after hearing six weeks worth of
00:03:37.820 evidence against 10 men who we had 18 witnesses, who were children, who had been raped and tortured,
00:03:45.400 after hearing all that evidence, he threw me straight in jail. He let them go home. One of them
00:03:50.600 packed their suitcase and is now in Pakistan because they... He treated me. And when I've read the
00:03:55.980 transcripts, they acted like I was the danger. I was the risk. And it's all through the words I'm
00:04:01.000 saying. And that's pretty much what I'll say in court tomorrow. The prosecution, the state,
00:04:06.540 don't like the truth. The truth about Islam. The truth that has to be looked just so people 1.00
00:04:12.660 understand that in these gang grooming convictions, not paedophilia, but in these gang type convictions,
00:04:19.500 90% of the convictions are Muslim men. 30% are called Mohammed. Muslim population of this country
00:04:28.220 is 4 or 5%. Now, we have to look and think, 5% committed 90% of these crimes? Why? But as soon
00:04:34.860 as you try and ask that question, why? Which, if you want to stop it, if you want to prevent it,
00:04:38.500 you have to understand it. Well, and there's undeniably a correlation. I mean, you mentioned the numbers.
00:04:42.880 That's true. But in that live stream in Leeds, you paint not these men as the problem exclusively,
00:04:49.540 but Islam itself. And there was one line, and I'm not quoting it accurately, and correct me if I'm
00:04:54.920 paraphrasing it wrong, but you say that, you know, the Islam itself is the problem here, and that even
00:05:00.620 moderate, peace-loving Muslims, you say, are not representative of Islam. And do you see how
00:05:06.420 something like that could basically prejudice every Muslim person that's ever facing charges?
00:05:13.940 No. No, I don't know. No, because what I'd be saying is exactly that Islam does, Islam does 0.98
00:05:19.540 sanction sexual slavery. Mohammed had sexual slaves. Even the head of the, the head of the 1.00
00:05:25.920 Crown Prosecution Services, Nizir Afzal, who's a, who is a Pakistani Muslim, he's come out and said
00:05:31.220 that the reason these gangs are doing it is because of their misogynistic views, their sexist views,
00:05:35.400 which come from their cultural, religious backgrounds. So what I'm saying is, under Islam, 0.98
00:05:41.660 this is sanctioned, this is allowed, Mohammed allowed it, if at war, when at war. And we have 0.63
00:05:47.060 to understand that for the first time in this country, so people get it, if paedophiles usually
00:05:51.940 have to search for another backward, deranged person on a chat forum online who they don't know 0.96
00:05:57.420 to share their sexual fantasies with. This is brothers, work colleagues. It's like a man going into a 0.95
00:06:04.260 whole workplace taxi rank and saying, I've got a 12-year-old girl, who wants to share her? Now,
00:06:09.120 any other community, if you've done that, if a Sikh man went into all of his business friends 0.99
00:06:13.480 or his work colleagues and said, who wants to rape this young girl, those men would probably attack 0.99
00:06:17.580 him. They'd certainly report him to the police. Not one case throughout the last 20 or 30 years 0.94
00:06:23.900 has any Muslim put forward evidence against these men. In fact, when these men have gone to court,
00:06:29.500 just so we understand as well, the ex-mayor of one of the towns, the Labour Muslim councillor,
00:06:35.200 they went to court, not against the men, they went to court and gave character references for them.
00:06:40.160 There's no uproar within the Islamic community. In fact...
00:06:42.500 But this is human corruption you're describing. I mean, does your worldview not exclude
00:06:46.700 the Muslim reformers that, if anything, are trying to fight against the same things you're trying to
00:06:52.360 fight against?
00:06:52.380 No, of course. Muslim reformers, there are many Muslim reformers who speak up about this.
00:06:56.920 What I'm saying is... I'm not saying all Muslims are at this. What I'm saying is there is a problem 1.00
00:07:01.700 within Islamic ideology. If we look at Boko Haram, when they kidnapped 200 girls, the leader of Boko
00:07:07.320 Haram stood on a video and said, Mohammed commands us to do this. Now, what I'm saying is when we see
00:07:13.160 the sexual slavery by ISIS, when they're taking and selling the girls, have these young English girls 0.95
00:07:18.220 been taken as sexual slaves? Yes, they have. At an industrial level across our whole entire country. 0.99
00:07:23.540 1,400 girls just in Rotherham. Now, Rotherham only has a Muslim population of 10,000.
00:07:29.060 3,500 is the men that fit the age of the groomers. How many men in that community, for 1,400 girls
00:07:35.940 to have been raped, and each of the victims will tell you in their statements how many men raped them, 0.96
00:07:40.100 20 men, 30 men, 40 men. How many men in that community... I'm saying we have to understand how big 0.97
00:07:45.380 this problem is. And we also have to understand the mindset. And the reason why I bring it back
00:07:49.700 to Islam is because I've even been on a chat show in Britain, and I've been talking about these young
00:07:54.740 children. And when I watched it back, the Muslim woman wearing a hijab corrects me. She says, 0.84
00:07:59.780 young women. And I didn't clock it at the time. But when I watched it back, I said children,
00:08:04.420 she said young women. Because under Islam, these are women. As soon as a girl starts her puberty, 0.87
00:08:10.100 she's become a woman. So we're viewing these as children. Okay? Many of the Muslim community
00:08:16.020 are not. They're saying... There are two different dialogues there entirely.
00:08:18.660 Two different meanings to words, two different views completely. And you have to understand how
00:08:23.620 their community are viewing it, and how they view women, how they view their own women,
00:08:28.180 but how they view non-Muslim women. And I've seen a Muslim leader has come out today and said,
00:08:32.420 the imams are promoting this. So this is a problem embedded, I say across, and we've seen the 1.00
00:08:39.460 Labour councillors have come out and said, oh, it's an opportunity, because of the opportunity,
00:08:43.380 because their taxi driver's coming into contact with the young girls. Well, there's no taxi driver
00:08:47.620 ring anywhere in Britain from non-Muslims or Sikhs or Jews or Hindus or anyone that has formed a gang
00:08:55.140 like this and targeted vulnerable children like this, coordinated through the workplace. There's
00:08:59.540 nothing else like it. Nothing. So it's not the contact. It's to do with their beliefs,
00:09:06.020 their views of non-Muslims, their views of what's fair game and what's not fair game, their views on...
00:09:11.700 Yeah, so the whole thing I'd say is that, which we should have a national inquiry on, is the link
00:09:16.900 between Islam and these gangs. Tommy Robinson, thank you for your time. Thank you very much. 1.00
00:09:22.020 For the True North Initiative, I'm Andrew Lawton.