Juno News - April 11, 2026


EXCLUSIVE： Pierre Poilievre on latest floor crossing, cost-of-living crisis and Joe Rogan


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Pierre-Olivier Poirier-Pras and Chris Simons discuss the latest floor crossing by Conservative MP Marilyn Gladue, who crossed the floor from the opposition Tories to join the governing Liberals in the House of Commons.

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00:00:00.000 welcome to the fighter i'm your host chris sims uh we have got a very important episode for you
00:00:10.460 right now as you know we have just seen another member of parliament cross the floor from the
00:00:17.340 opposition conservatives over to the mark carney governing liberals now floor crossings have
00:00:23.640 happened before but there's something going on in ottawa and the main thing that the taxpayers
00:00:28.840 Federation is worried about is people aren't being hurt. People are now saying, does my vote
00:00:34.800 even matter? What on earth is going on? We should have the power to recall these people,
00:00:41.140 to force a by-election so they can have their say. And guess what? We're talking directly with
00:00:47.460 Conservative Party leader, Pierre Polyev. Let's listen. Joining me now is Pierre Polyev. He is,
00:00:54.120 of course, the leader of the official opposition in the House of Commons and the leader of the
00:00:58.760 Conservative Party of Canada. Pierre, nice to see you again. I think we caught you in British
00:01:03.000 Columbia this time. Yes, it's great to be here in beautiful British Columbia and good to see you,
00:01:08.240 Chris. Likewise. What is going on in Ottawa? Our inbox is full from people, including from the
00:01:17.160 riding near Sarnia, who are super upset with this latest floor crossing. They're saying things that
00:01:22.900 alarming. Like, does my vote even count? What even happens from here? What's going on at this?
00:01:30.580 Well, Mark Carney has decided to fabricate a false majority government that Canadians
00:01:36.660 rejected in the last election to overturn the will of Canadians and give himself absolute
00:01:43.460 unaccountable power. And fortunately, there have been a number of MPs who sold out their constituents
00:01:52.900 for whatever they were offered. We don't know. One day we'll find out. I'm sure it isn't going
00:01:57.580 to be pretty when we do. But the latest is Marilyn Gladue, whose constituency voted
00:02:04.000 overwhelmingly conservative. And under my leadership, if I can be blunt, we had massive
00:02:10.100 vote gain in that rotting, like the other three rottings as well. And unfortunately,
00:02:16.040 she's betrayed the people that helped her get elected and whose eyes she looked again and again,
00:02:22.020 claiming that she was on their side. She even, I just saw her at the Liberal Leadership 0.94
00:02:27.320 Convention, and she's on camera saying, and this works out well for me too.
00:02:33.680 Well, maybe in the short run, she will think that, but the reality is that in the long run,
00:02:40.540 your integrity is worth more than a short-term burst of fame and fortune. So look, bottom line
00:02:47.460 is that we keep fighting on. We're not backing down. I believe in what I'm doing. I believe in
00:02:51.880 exactly the same cause that I launched when I started my political career and my leadership
00:02:57.940 campaign. I want to make this the freest country on earth, the most affordable country on earth
00:03:02.940 and the richest country on earth. I know that I am the only one who can lead that cause and that's
00:03:09.780 why I'm going to be continuing to march forward towards our victory. So we had heard about a
00:03:15.140 floor crossing before and we got an initial flood of email back with another floor crosser and now
00:03:20.600 this one has happened. And again, taxpayers, federation supporters are incensed because
00:03:25.260 nonpartisan, they just now feel like they're not being hurt. They just now feel like their vote
00:03:31.320 doesn't count and they feel powerless. And so what we were saying is that, okay, we understand and
00:03:36.640 we hear you. Let's have recall. Let's have a recall legislation that's in power on Parliament
00:03:42.220 Hill so that we can have by-elections. And that way, these MPs can put their money where their
00:03:47.340 mouth is. They can stand for a by-election and win or lose. Where are you on a recall on Parliament
00:03:54.460 Hill? I'm for it. In fact, it's not the official position of the Conservative Party at this point
00:04:01.400 because we just hadn't had a chance to discuss and decide on it, but I am a long-standing
00:04:06.600 supporter of the concept that voters should be able to recall their Member of Parliament,
00:04:11.420 in this case, for switching parties. And the way it would work is that, you know, if someone
00:04:16.760 is elected under one banner and switched to another, their MP, their constituents could
00:04:21.320 form a petition, reach a threshold, trigger the removal of that MP and a by-election to replace
00:04:31.060 them. So I think that that should happen. And I'll be talking with my conservative colleagues
00:04:35.660 on Parliament Hill over the next week to discuss how we could potentially move forward with a
00:04:39.980 policy like that. I want to pursue that angle a little bit more with you if it's okay.
00:04:45.500 I hear you on if it's a floor crossing. What about just having it there as a tool of democracy,
00:04:52.300 as a mechanism? What about for other things? Well, I'm open to it. Again, we haven't launched
00:04:56.880 into it in the past. I should just correct that statement. I've introduced a voter recall bill
00:05:03.760 about 20 years ago. I think I remember that actually. Yeah it's been a couple of decades so
00:05:09.200 but it hasn't been the focus of my work since so I'm going to look back at it because I think it's
00:05:15.720 an idea that should be considered. After all if you work as a barber or a mechanic or a waitress
00:05:23.020 or a business person and you mess up at work you don't do what you're saying you get fired but in
00:05:29.200 politics you get the rest of your term and your paycheck so let's let's see how let's take a look
00:05:35.740 at it and decide whether or not it's the right way to go but I'm definitely open to it yeah I
00:05:40.180 actually now that you mention it I think I do remember you doing that about 20 years ago it's
00:05:43.860 been a while yeah um so you have very good memory well you know a lot of corporate memory you don't
00:05:49.560 forget anything no uh working on parliamentality you have to remember this stuff okay um it's like
00:05:54.760 my wife. She doesn't forget anything I do. Well, we got to hold you accountable. Come on, man.
00:05:59.720 She does. I know. All right. So there's that. So very good. We're glad to hear this. Taxpayers
00:06:06.520 Federation, we've been banging on this drum since the 90s, since before the internet existed to have
00:06:11.160 things like recall legislation. I will say for people who are watching who are outside of Alberta
00:06:16.080 where this is kind of a new weird thing, it works. It functions. Here in the province of Alberta,
00:06:21.260 we even had a small village of Riley successfully recall their mayor who was doing funny stuff with
00:06:26.220 spending, but it doesn't mean that it's happening every other weekend. So it's, well, I wasn't part
00:06:31.260 of any of that spending, but I did go for a, uh, ride on a four-wheeler in the town of Riley. You
00:06:36.180 can watch it online. It's a great town. It is. All right. I wanted to move on distracted. You
00:06:41.900 just, you just reignited an old memory. Okay. I'm glad it's a good one. All right. I wanted to get
00:06:46.660 on to meat and potatoes here because there's the circus that happens in ottawa and yes it upsets
00:06:51.500 people and that's why we're talking to you because it upsets people because they feel like their vote
00:06:55.260 doesn't count and that's awful we want people to make sure their vote counts and they want them to
00:07:00.200 have confidence in our system but i wanted to get into why people are so upset and that's frankly
00:07:06.460 because they can't afford stuff like at the taxpayers federation we've been pushing hard
00:07:11.420 to get rid of fuel taxes and all forms of carbon taxes. Thank you for staying with this issue
00:07:17.920 through all the noise. And I just saw you at a press conference in Ottawa. I think you were at
00:07:23.380 a gas station near Gladstone and you were pushing for a cancellation, if I'm not wrong, of federal
00:07:29.460 fuel taxes until the end of the calendar year. How much would the save and why?
00:07:34.060 25 cents a liter, 20 bucks a fill up, and about $1,200 for the average family of four by Christmas
00:07:41.500 time. And it's very simple. Right now, the federal government is collecting billions of dollars of
00:07:47.760 extra revenue as a result of the higher oil prices driving up profits for oil companies.
00:07:55.880 And when they get more profit, they pay more tax. So I'm saying, why don't you give that money back
00:08:00.920 to the people who are paying at the pumps by eliminating the 25 cents of federal tax that we
00:08:06.620 pay. The gap between gas prices in the United States and Canada is roughly 20%. So, you know,
00:08:14.760 people will rightly point out that the immediate cause of the higher gas price is the closure of
00:08:21.560 the Strait of Hormuz. And in fairness, our government didn't cause that. The tyrannical
00:08:26.580 regime in Iran is causing that. However, that doesn't explain why we're paying 20 percent more
00:08:33.260 in Canada than in the U.S. They're affected by global oil prices as well. The difference is the
00:08:39.140 tax gap. Liberal taxes on fuel make Canadians pay far more at the pumps. So eliminating that tax
00:08:46.180 would save you a lot of money. And by the way, it's not just at the pumps. It will also save you
00:08:50.540 in groceries and deliveries. You've got surcharges now on food and on Amazon deliveries that are
00:08:56.800 the direct result of fuel prices. You've got surcharges added up on airlines. So by getting
00:09:04.900 rid of the tax on fuel, you bring down flights and groceries and Amazon deliveries and everything
00:09:13.000 else. It's also, I would also say this, people think that this is just like a bumper sticker
00:09:17.160 policy that's popular with consumers. The bottom line is that the lifeblood of a strong,
00:09:23.640 sovereign economy is affordable, abundant energy. When you bring energy prices down,
00:09:28.540 you bring economic activity up. It is the lifeblood of our economy. Cheap, reliable
00:09:34.780 energy powers a strong economy. And what you're talking about here,
00:09:39.820 to your point, isn't just people in their own passenger vehicles, which is hard enough.
00:09:43.860 I think you're in BC. You said you're in BC right now. Price of gas, what, $2.18 per liter?
00:09:49.060 Yes. Hard to believe. I never thought you'd see prices like that.
00:09:53.080 It's disgusting. And for people who haven't lived in BC, you have to picture it. People
00:09:57.540 live down the Fraser Valley. They live in Abbotsford and Chilliwack and Langley, and
00:10:01.880 they drive into the city every day. One of the last phone calls I had when I was working in BC
00:10:06.640 was from a mother whose adult son was living with her in a basement suite for close to $3,000 a
00:10:13.360 month rent and he couldn't afford to fill up his pickup in Chilliwack and drive over to Port
00:10:19.200 Alberni to the job site that was a few years ago back when we had a price spike and I just got to
00:10:23.940 say like when gas is that expensive you are just hurting working people like crazy and yeah to your
00:10:30.640 point on getting stuff moving this isn't just about gasoline it's diesel it's the taxes on the
00:10:36.900 lifeblood that is diesel that is in every truck that moves and delivers our stuff right and if
00:10:42.080 you got it, a truck brought it. Right. Or so everything you have, every single thing you use
00:10:49.020 in your daily life comes in a truck. When taxes are high on fuel prices, everything becomes
00:10:56.220 expensive. So get rid of those taxes. That's just the first step, though. I have other ideas on how
00:11:02.340 to lower fuel prices for the long run. We need to unblock our resources and produce more oil
00:11:09.400 and more gas. That would allow us to sell into the market when prices are high. We should
00:11:15.300 accumulate that oil in strategic reserves. We're the only G7 country that has no strategic reserve
00:11:20.760 of oil. And ironically, we have by far the biggest reserves beneath the ground, just none in storage
00:11:27.960 tanks. So we could be selling that oil from our strategic reserve onto the market today at
00:11:33.480 enormous profits which would boost our dollar and when your dollar goes up the purchasing power
00:11:41.000 goes up as well it used to be we were shielded against high oil prices because when oil went up
00:11:48.280 our dollar went up and the it netted out uh very moderately at the pump because your dollar that
00:11:55.480 you were paying with at the pump was worth more uh in buying this international commodity you know
00:12:01.960 When we typically had oil over 100 bucks, you automatically had a dollar that was close to
00:12:07.160 parity with the states. The last several weeks, it's been languishing around 73, 74. I haven't
00:12:13.060 checked today, but it's in the low 70s. It's crazy. It's because we're not producing enough
00:12:16.980 oil and gas anymore. Unblock our resources, build up our dollar, and you'll make everything more
00:12:24.260 affordable. I've got to ask you, you've been in the Ottawa arena for a long time. There becomes
00:12:30.740 this kind of um weird ecosystem of just the commentariat and mainstream media and pundits
00:12:37.460 and analysts and all this stuff and they seem to get bored easily of things and i was hearing some
00:12:42.500 of them talk like oh well we're bored of gas taxes we're bored of carbon taxes like i'm sorry but
00:12:47.780 normal working people are not bored of gasoline and carbon taxes because we're paying them so
00:12:53.540 what do you say to those people when they're like we want you to move on and talk about other things
00:12:58.020 Yeah, right. I know they do. They find grocery prices boring. They find gas prices boring.
00:13:04.500 They want to work on sexy subjects like political intrigue on Parliament Hill.
00:13:09.460 Let's talk about the things that matter in the lives of hardworking people, the folks who actually build this country.
00:13:16.500 Those are the people I'm working for.
00:13:18.780 It would be nice if the Ottawa liberal establishment media commentariat would actually focus on the people of this country
00:13:25.680 rather than on their own power brokerage and political games.
00:13:30.220 And I think that would set me apart.
00:13:31.880 And that's probably why they've been working so hard against me,
00:13:34.720 because they know that when I become prime minister,
00:13:37.740 it will be to put the people back in charge of their lives
00:13:40.280 in the most affordable, the richest, and the freest country on earth.
00:13:45.040 Just to stress for people, yes, technically, the consumer carbon tax is gone.
00:13:49.840 Funny how the Axe the Tax bumper sticker thing happened to work, eh?
00:13:53.460 But we still have two hidden carbon taxes.
00:13:57.660 There's the big industrial hidden carbon tax that Kearney won't tell us how much it's costing.
00:14:01.740 But I wanted to flag this, and you've mentioned it before.
00:14:04.260 There's this special fuel regulation that's also a second carbon tax.
00:14:08.460 That is increasing.
00:14:09.840 Yeah.
00:14:10.640 It's worse.
00:14:11.340 You know, it's much worse than the previous Trudeau carbon tax.
00:14:15.200 At least you got a rebate, albeit a small one, that didn't cover the full cost of the tax.
00:14:20.480 But at least some of it went back.
00:14:21.720 This one goes not to Canadians, but it goes to a bunch of industrial subsidies for alternative fuels, which don't make any economic sense.
00:14:33.560 So a lot of insiders will get very rich by getting this cash that you're paying.
00:14:38.900 It's now seven cents at the pump. It's going to be about 17 cents by the end of this decade.
00:14:45.860 Well, it's not even the end of the decade. It's less than four years away.
00:14:49.380 So it's rising to 17 cents, and it's just as high as the previous liberal carbon tax.
00:14:54.160 So, you know, here we go again.
00:14:56.120 I told people, though, that with Mark Carney, you're going to get a carbon tax.
00:14:59.560 He's going to say right before the election that he's getting rid of it.
00:15:02.180 But then ultimately, he will bring it back.
00:15:04.180 It will be bigger and worse than ever before.
00:15:06.020 I said it again and again and again.
00:15:07.380 The liberal media tried to deny that that was the case.
00:15:11.500 But of course, it was true.
00:15:12.580 If you want to ax all carbon taxes for real, for good, for everyone, forever, you're going to have
00:15:19.660 to elect a conservative government led by Pierre Polyev. I want to move to inflation in a second,
00:15:24.200 but I just wanted to flag another thing. Carney has said repeatedly out loud with his face that
00:15:29.180 he's in favor of carbon border adjustment mechanisms. What those are, are carbon tax
00:15:34.000 tariffs. Do you know when these are coming? Like it looked like he'd budgeted for them in like
00:15:39.900 about two years or so, the last time we actually got an actual budget document out of this
00:15:43.860 government? Like, do you see these things coming soon? Look, nothing would surprise me. Carney is
00:15:51.600 a big government, top-down leader. He wants the government to control your money. So I can't tell
00:16:00.160 you when he's going to do it, but he will do it. All of his plans involve taking less money and
00:16:05.760 freedom for you, more power and control for him. So I will be on the lookout for this, that tax,
00:16:13.100 and many other high taxes that we can count on this Liberal government to implement.
00:16:18.460 I know your time is short, but I wanted to get to a couple more issues here. Speaking of when you
00:16:22.860 said, you know, I warned everybody, straight up, back before when Trudeau was still Prime Minister,
00:16:29.860 during, I think it was just before the lockdowns, I can't quite remember, it's foggy,
00:16:32.960 you were sounding the alarm about inflation. You were saying we are rolling into an inflation
00:16:39.340 crisis here. This is what happens when you lock down industry and you print hundreds of billions
00:16:44.220 of dollars out of thin air. You got roasted in the national media and you were right. It was you
00:16:50.740 and my colleague and friend Franco Terrazzano, who has a degree in economics. You were both
00:16:55.820 warning about inflation. Well, here we are. We are in the middle of an inflation crisis. So much is
00:17:02.120 so expensive the question is now that you are right unfortunately how do we actually fix this
00:17:08.940 like do we need to produce more things more houses and cars to sop up this paper money
00:17:15.880 like how do we fix this problem well I will answer that in a second but I just want to add to the
00:17:22.840 the historical accounting you did and not only was I right on this but Mark Carney was dead wrong
00:17:30.220 He predicted that COVID would lead to deflation.
00:17:33.640 He said that there would be falling prices.
00:17:35.860 And he said it would be a bad thing if that happened, by the way.
00:17:37.960 I don't know how that works, that it's bad if prices go down.
00:17:40.700 But he was wrong, and he advised governments, including ours, to print money.
00:17:46.280 He left so much printed money in the British economy that they had the worst inflation in the G7.
00:17:51.520 And he caused the housing crisis in London, destroying purchasing power for an entire generation of British youth.
00:17:57.340 Now he came here to repeat the same damage.
00:18:00.220 But it's very simple.
00:18:03.140 If you have more money chasing fewer goods, it leads to higher prices.
00:18:06.760 It bids up those prices.
00:18:08.040 So we had 10 apples, $10.
00:18:09.960 It's a buck an apple.
00:18:10.880 You double the dollars to 20, but you still have 10 apples.
00:18:14.500 Well, now it's $2 an apple.
00:18:16.040 You're not twice as rich.
00:18:17.020 It's just that each apple costs twice as much.
00:18:20.380 How do you stop it?
00:18:21.360 We stop printing money.
00:18:22.780 You know, you have to.
00:18:23.400 And why are they printing money?
00:18:24.400 Well, they're doing it to fund their deficits.
00:18:26.860 It's easier.
00:18:27.480 See, if government had to exclusively borrow real money from credit markets, then they would drive up interest rates in the immediate term.
00:18:38.720 So what they do to try and hide the effect of all their deficit spending on the present economy is they print the cash using the central bank.
00:18:48.300 And the bank buys up the government bonds and keeps Canadians from knowing where the money is coming from.
00:18:56.180 So then when grocers and home builders and gas stations raise prices, everyone thinks that it's all a bunch of greedy people in the private sector, when in fact all of it is governmental inflation.
00:19:08.040 So it's the worst tax. It's a hidden tax. It is the most dishonest and regressive tax it takes from the poorest people for whom consumption and cash holdings are the largest share of their wealth and family budgets.
00:19:23.680 It makes a very small group of billionaires and bureaucrats very wealthy because, of course, they get the money before it loses its value and they get to have their assets inflated.
00:19:36.100 It is the single biggest reason why we have a growing gap between rich and poor.
00:19:40.240 But we can stop it. 1.00
00:19:41.400 We have to look at the Swiss. 1.00
00:19:43.160 It's very simple.
00:19:43.980 The Swiss don't print money to funds government spending.
00:19:46.560 They don't.
00:19:47.040 They have basically balanced budgets.
00:19:48.760 You know what the average inflation rate has been in Switzerland for the last 25 years?
00:19:52.120 0.8%. In fact, they had almost no interest right now. Like if you're borrowing in Switzerland,
00:20:00.760 you pay almost no interest because they have no inflation. They have like literally no inflation.
00:20:05.500 They have the best money in the world, the Swiss franc. It's more valuable than the euro
00:20:10.160 and the US dollar. And their people get great purchasing power. And all this BS about how
00:20:17.900 inflation is just a global phenomenon. Well, they're a part of the global economy
00:20:21.680 and they live right smack in the middle of Europe and somehow the Swiss don't have inflation. Why?
00:20:27.780 It's because they have sound money. And by the way, their central bank owns a phenomenal amount
00:20:32.180 of gold. They didn't sell their gold like the Liberals and Mark Carney did here in Canada.
00:20:38.840 So the Swiss have good, sound, solid money, great purchasing power. That's what we can do in this
00:20:46.660 country, stop the deficits, stop money printing, bring back the buying power of our cash.
00:20:53.080 I wanted to get to deficits and balanced budgets. I did not have this in my bingo card,
00:20:59.460 that the central banker and the dude with a PhD in economics was going to be worse with money
00:21:04.280 than the drama teacher. Did not have that in my bingo card. What I'm saying in all seriousness
00:21:09.200 is that he's planning on spending more money. If I can interrupt you on that, just keep in mind
00:21:13.440 that there's only one, there's one thing that's worse than being uneducated and it's being badly
00:21:17.360 educated. And Mr. Carney is very badly educated on economics. And that is why he has been wrong
00:21:23.500 on every single economic issue of our time. Every one of them. Net zero, his net zero alliance,
00:21:29.440 which was meant to defund our energy sector, that alliance has gone bankrupt. His money printing,
00:21:35.900 his support of carbon taxes, his opposition to the pipeline to the Pacific. By the way,
00:21:40.760 he's had to publicly reverse himself on all these things. So it's not just that I'm saying he was
00:21:45.460 wrong. He's admitting that he was wrong. So it's hard to understand how a guy who claims to be so
00:21:49.540 smart can be so wrong for so long. How do we get spending under control? Like the overspending,
00:21:56.580 go ahead. You've got to cut bureaucracy. You've got to cut the consulting. They're spending 27
00:22:03.420 billion dollars on consultants this year. That's 1,400 bucks for every family in Canada for federal
00:22:09.160 government consultants, an amount that has gone up by about 130% in the last decade.
00:22:14.240 I would get rid of the corporate welfare. Let's cut back on foreign aid and handouts to fake
00:22:21.520 phony refugees. I've also announced I would cut back on the $90 billion Alto Rail Project, 0.99
00:22:28.920 which is a colossal, colossal waste of money that's only going to take, if it ever happens,
00:22:34.440 by the way. It'll happen 12 years from now. Almost 70% of Canadians will never use it,
00:22:40.580 but we'll have to spend $8,000 per family on taxes to pay for its construction, after which,
00:22:46.900 by the way, it will continue to lose money every year forever by their own admission.
00:22:51.560 And finally, it will only take people out of airplanes, which is a money-making mode of
00:22:56.900 transportation, and put them into trains, which are a money-losing mode of transportation. And
00:23:02.440 it will take longer to get from Toronto to Montreal than it does now by plane. So it
00:23:08.220 travels slower, costs more, loses money. Why do it? Get rid of it. These are all things
00:23:14.260 that I'm proposing to save money. And then finally, it's passed a dollar for dollar law
00:23:18.460 that requires any minister that brings forward a new spending initiative to match that spending
00:23:22.140 with equal amount of savings. That would cap government while the taxpayer and the economy
00:23:28.720 catches up. Before I move on to Rogan and say goodbye, you're in BC. People are really worried
00:23:37.300 about their private property. Of course, I'm sure you know all about the Cowichan decision.
00:23:41.780 Taxpayers Federation, our first step is saying we need to enshrine private property rights in
00:23:46.940 the constitution. Are you hearing a lot of worry coming from homeowners in BC and across Canada?
00:23:52.580 Where are you on this stuff? Yeah, there's a lot of worry. Basically,
00:23:57.080 the backstory for anybody who doesn't know, there's been a ruling by the British Columbia
00:24:03.460 Supreme Court, which says that the Cowichan are entitled to all of the land in an 800 acre radius,
00:24:17.080 but a billion dollars worth of real estate because of some hearsay evidence that ancestors one day
00:24:24.740 did some seasonal fishing there. It was not the place they resided, but it was where they allegedly
00:24:29.980 fished some centuries ago. And the result is that people are worried they're going to lose
00:24:38.120 their property. And it's not just Richmond, though. There are claims on almost every square
00:24:43.120 inch of British Columbia, and none of those claims are acceded because they're not covered
00:24:50.420 by treaties, which typically seed land. Like the prairies don't have to worry because they have
00:24:55.660 treaties there where the First Nations seeded the land in exchange for other things. There's no such
00:25:02.160 thing in BC. And so right now, all British Columbian private property is at risk. There are
00:25:08.120 multi-million dollar investments canceled every day because they can't be secure financing against
00:25:13.500 an unsecure collateral. And this could drag on for years. I've presented a four-point plan.
00:25:19.320 One is for the Liberal government to reverse its directive to its lawyers.
00:25:24.480 Right now, the Liberal government says to the lawyers who are arguing against this ruling in appeal
00:25:29.720 that the government should not fight for fee-simple property rights,
00:25:35.480 I believe because it's politically incorrect.
00:25:37.740 I say to Mark Carney, reverse that directive, fight for fee-simple property rights.
00:25:42.200 Two, don't sign any more agreements with any First Nation that does not include an explicit clarification
00:25:48.600 that be simple property, your home, your land comes first in any dispute. Three, we want Mark
00:25:55.300 Carney to present his plan. It's been almost a year since the ruling in August of last year,
00:26:00.320 and we still have no plan for Mark Carney on how he's going to respond to this massive threat to
00:26:04.180 private property. And finally, we want a parliamentary committee to immediately begin
00:26:07.600 studying options like the one you discussed, the legal, political, and constitutional changes that
00:26:12.640 might be necessary in order to protect private property in B.C. and across the land.
00:26:17.100 Well, that's a very good start. Thank you for covering that one. And lastly, you and I have talked a lot over the years. And I noticed during one of your rallies that I saw in British Columbia, that there were people waiting. I think this is this before the election. You were just out campaigning and talking to people, connecting with people. And I noticed that people were waiting to talk to you for like three hours. And they were often working people. And we get the same sort of emails.
00:26:46.780 I read the same sort of letters to the editor that everybody else does. And so I would argue
00:26:51.540 that those are the typical working taxpaying people here in Canada. Then they listen to
00:26:58.540 things like Joe Rogan. They listen to those big podcasts. Is that why you went on Rogan? Did you
00:27:04.680 want to feel better connected to those people again? Were you missing the rallies? What was
00:27:10.040 that like? Just talk to me about that. Well, it was great. Joe Rogan is a great man. He's
00:27:15.980 look, he's the greatest podcaster in the world. And there's a reason for that. I mean, there's
00:27:22.400 like, you know, there's literally hundreds of thousands of people who flip open their computer
00:27:27.560 and make their own little podcast. But why is Joe Rogan special? I think it's because one,
00:27:33.540 he is constantly searching for the truth. And he admits he doesn't have all the answers. He's
00:27:39.120 genuinely open-minded so he brings guests on he asks them deep profound questions he challenges
00:27:47.280 them respectfully and if he learns something new he might change his mind right in front of the
00:27:53.380 camera unapologetically he just says well listen I learned something new and like Churchill would
00:27:57.980 say it proves that I'm smarter today than I was yesterday I also found interpersonally something
00:28:05.380 and I noticed him when, when I was in the room with him is he's very focused. He looks very
00:28:10.520 relaxed. Like you say, you know, he's, he's, he's, he looks chill, right? He's got a, he's got a
00:28:14.720 t-shirt on and he's got tattoos and he, he speaks very colloquially, but you can tell that he,
00:28:21.680 when he's in a conversation, his mind is in the present, which sounds like no big deal,
00:28:28.200 but it's two and a half hours. Very easy to, for your mind, your mind to wander. I noticed that
00:28:32.620 didn't happen with him. And so I think the reason why so many people connect with him is because
00:28:39.480 they see him as very authentic. I was talking to a guy the other day and he said, yeah, Joe told me
00:28:45.860 something. I said, Joe who? He said, oh, Joe Rogan. And I said, he told you? What did he call you?
00:28:50.200 And he went, oh, no, no, sorry. I mean, I just saw it on his show. But his mind had processed it as
00:28:55.140 though Joe and him were talking. A lot of people think when they listen to Rogan, they feel like
00:28:59.500 they're talking with the guy they feel like they know him I felt that too when I walked into the
00:29:02.920 studio I was like I know this guy like he's been in my house every day he's on my phone and so I
00:29:11.500 admire him I think he's done an incredible job of giving a voice to people of asking questions of
00:29:18.780 pursuing stories and and discussions that don't normally get a lot of attention and so I wish him
00:29:26.980 well and enjoyed my experience a lot of people who listen to him i would argue uh are in a small
00:29:32.820 government boat here in canada and i would yeah and i would say that a lot of those folks how do
00:29:40.340 i put this they're fighting to not black pill themselves they're fighting to keep hope going
00:29:44.800 for regardless honestly regardless of party for smaller government more accountable government
00:29:50.040 you know less spending less waste like getting their lives back together so that they can afford
00:29:55.460 things which is what the taxpayers federation is always fighting for are you still feeling that
00:30:00.480 connection with people even though you aren't doing like the massive rallies anymore like are
00:30:04.740 you able to keep in touch with people in that way directly yeah look i i do a lot of different
00:30:11.380 things to keep in touch like i was at a a plumbing industrial and uh commercial plumbing business
00:30:18.260 today and spoke to about, I don't know, 90 workers. And I did a lineup with them so I could
00:30:25.880 talk to them all one by one, uh, out at restaurants and coffee shops. I spent a lot of time talking
00:30:31.320 to, you know, uh, soldiers, uh, um, small business owners, uh, single mothers, just good
00:30:40.460 common sense people. Um, and that's what takes up a lot of my time. And I want to do more of that.
00:30:46.600 we'll get back into the rallies at the right time. And I think we want to bring people out and give
00:30:51.260 them hope because you can't give up. You have to fight through these hardships. People have been
00:30:55.320 down before. They've had bad governments in many places before. And I think it's by persevering
00:31:02.400 and not giving up that you overcome these hardships. And that's why I am so determined
00:31:07.100 to fight on. You know, people say, why, you know, why would you want to do this job? Well, I believe
00:31:12.360 in it. I genuinely believe in what I'm fighting for. And I'm not going to give up because I don't
00:31:16.500 believe that there's anyone else who will do what needs to be done for this country. We need someone
00:31:23.100 who can and will win, but also after they win, who will follow through and do it, actually do it.
00:31:31.240 And that's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to relent until the job is done.
00:31:36.200 Pierre Polyev, I've kept you over time. You've been very gracious with your time. Thank you so
00:31:40.800 much for joining us. Great to be with you, Chris. Many blessings. Likewise. Once again, that is of
00:31:45.740 course, Pierre Polyev. He is the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada and the leader of
00:31:51.220 His Majesty's official royal opposition in the House of Commons in Ottawa. Well, folks, what did
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