Juno News - January 27, 2021


Ezra Levant on being fined for writing a book about Justin Trudeau


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A journalist is being charged for writing a book about Justin Trudeau. You may have heard this story right now. The Rebel Commander himself and author of The Libranos, Ezra Levant, posted a fantastic video not that long ago of his interrogation by two investigators with the Commissioner of Canada Elections. It appears that investigation has come to an end and Ezra owes the government $3,000.

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00:00:00.000 We know that Justin Trudeau's government loves to pontificate on the importance of press freedom and free speech.
00:00:12.860 They host these big, fancy conferences where they promote the virtues of free speech
00:00:18.000 and say that Canada is a beacon of hope on press freedom.
00:00:21.140 Well, a journalist is being charged for writing a book about Justin Trudeau.
00:00:27.700 You may have heard this story right now.
00:00:29.260 The rebel commander himself and author of The Lebranos, Ezra Levant, posted a fantastic video not that long ago
00:00:36.160 of his interrogation by two investigators with the Commissioner of Canada Elections.
00:00:40.940 It appears that investigation has come to an end and Ezra owes the government $3,000 for the crime of writing a book.
00:00:49.020 Ezra joins me on the line.
00:00:50.980 Ezra, good to talk to you again. Thanks for coming on today.
00:00:53.520 Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for having me.
00:00:55.040 So $3,000, this is the going rate apparently for writing a book that criticizes Justin Trudeau during an election.
00:01:01.760 Yeah, they say it's a violation of the Canada Elections Act.
00:01:06.440 They say that my book, because, and by the way, they spent a lot of time going through this part in their violation notice to me.
00:01:14.160 They say that because I compare the liberals to the Sopranos, remember the title of my book was The Libranos.
00:01:22.940 So they really go on at length about how that's mean, how that compares the liberals to a corrupt group of lawbreakers.
00:01:30.720 And I'm thinking, yeah, yeah.
00:01:32.560 Anyways, they say because it's mean, that is tantamount to a campaign ad.
00:01:38.720 And because we sold so many books during the election, that's an illegal campaign activity.
00:01:44.360 Except for two things.
00:01:45.720 First of all, Section 2 of that same Canada Elections Act specifically exempts books and the promotion of books as long as they're sold at a reasonable price.
00:01:59.160 And I think my book was sold for $15, which was probably a little bit high, in fact.
00:02:04.000 And it applies to the promotion of books, too.
00:02:07.800 So we had billboards and lawn signs and videos and Internet ads.
00:02:13.340 Like, we had about five different ways.
00:02:14.620 And they all used that language, the Libranos.
00:02:17.640 So it's exempt.
00:02:19.480 Section 2 of the Act says it's exempt.
00:02:21.600 Even if Section 2 of the Act didn't say so, we have centuries of common law and our chart of rights and our bill of rights, which protects political speech, freedom of the press.
00:02:32.200 So there's no way that my book is illegal.
00:02:34.900 We don't have illegal books in Canada.
00:02:37.800 Let me throw one last thing at you, Andrew.
00:02:40.660 There were 23 other books published at the same time in the 2019 election about Justin Trudeau.
00:02:48.600 So mine was one of 24 in total.
00:02:51.440 The other 23 were either sort of wishy-washy or extremely pro-Trudeau.
00:02:58.680 For example, there was a book written by the CBC's Aaron Wary, Total Love Letter to Trudeau.
00:03:05.300 So you could say that's a campaign ad for Trudeau, except, of course, it's a book, so it's exempt.
00:03:12.560 The police who interrogated me, they were 30-year veterans of the RCMP, they told me.
00:03:17.900 They're working for Elections Canada now.
00:03:19.800 They said they were aware of these 23 other books, but mine was the only one they were investigating.
00:03:26.440 And I said, how's that?
00:03:28.220 You know, isn't that proof of what's going on there?
00:03:30.520 And they actually said to me, well, you can complain about them.
00:03:33.480 No, I'm not a censor.
00:03:34.760 I'm not this crazy book burner.
00:03:37.280 But they admitted, I'm the only book they're prosecuting.
00:03:41.220 And by the way, I'm the only book that criticized Trudeau.
00:03:43.820 That's a really bad look for a G7 country.
00:03:47.380 Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, given the implications of this charge that you've had leveled against you.
00:03:53.760 But was it just the ads that you were charged for, the posters, the signs, the billboards?
00:03:58.880 Or was it those as well as the book itself?
00:04:02.180 You know, I'd have to look at the exact wording.
00:04:04.340 I don't have the violation in front of me, but they specifically mentioned the image.
00:04:11.600 We had an artist.
00:04:13.620 I don't know, for those, I mean, The Sopranos, a lot of the kids these days don't know what that is.
00:04:18.620 But for people in their 30s and 40s, they might recall that show, The Sopranos.
00:04:22.640 It's about 20 years old now.
00:04:24.020 They had this promotional poster that showed Tony Soprano and his Soprano family looking a little, very menacing.
00:04:31.560 So we, the book cover of The Sopranos was an homage to that.
00:04:36.960 It had Trudeau and his henchmen, Bill Morneau was in it, Catherine McKenna.
00:04:41.640 It was a total spoof.
00:04:43.080 I guess you only really got it if you understood the original Sopranos thing.
00:04:47.540 So it's probably a bit of a dated reference now.
00:04:49.680 But they, so what was on the billboards was exactly what was on the cover.
00:04:56.280 It was, we used the same artwork.
00:04:58.920 The only thing is our ads had three words on them, by the book.
00:05:04.140 So, you know, it was just the cover of the book that said, buy the book.
00:05:11.400 Those were found in violation.
00:05:14.260 I'm sorry, I don't have it in front of me, but you can read the violation for yourself.
00:05:18.560 We put them on the internet at SaveRebelNews.com.
00:05:21.520 So folks can read it.
00:05:22.860 You can also see my interrogation at the hands of these officers.
00:05:29.660 Can I throw one more wrinkle at you?
00:05:31.560 And I thought this was crazy.
00:05:33.580 When I was being interrogated with, and this was a year ago,
00:05:36.880 they asked me to go to their high security headquarters in Gatineau, Quebec.
00:05:41.680 So I did.
00:05:42.720 And then I, but I didn't tell them I was recording them because I knew no one would believe me.
00:05:47.380 I didn't know what they were going to say, but I knew it would be so crazy
00:05:49.980 that no one would believe me if I didn't film it.
00:05:52.000 So I went in there with a hidden camera.
00:05:53.520 That's the only time I've ever done that in my life.
00:05:55.480 I was very nervous about it, but it worked.
00:05:58.240 Not nervous to do it.
00:05:59.320 I was nervous that the camera wouldn't work, but it worked great.
00:06:02.060 And you can see in that videotape, and we have that on that page, SaveRebelNews.com.
00:06:07.260 I asked the cops, I said, I've come all the way to Gatineau, Quebec to meet you.
00:06:13.080 I've come here voluntarily.
00:06:15.000 I didn't tell them I came to record them also.
00:06:16.860 I said, I've come here to meet the complaint, but you haven't shown me the complaint yet.
00:06:23.440 Can I see the actual complaint that started this whole thing?
00:06:27.180 Can you tell me who complained?
00:06:29.480 And they said no.
00:06:31.140 They refused to show me the complaint.
00:06:33.760 They refused to tell me who the complainant was.
00:06:36.220 I said, how can I meet a child?
00:06:37.900 I've come all the way to Gatineau.
00:06:39.300 Yeah, you have a right to face your accuser, except you don't in this proceeding.
00:06:43.260 Yeah, and to this day, that was a year ago, remember, so they convicted me now.
00:06:47.720 They still haven't shown me the complaint or told me who the complainant is.
00:06:51.400 And I know this is just one more level of crazy.
00:06:55.020 They didn't actually invite me to their hearing or trial or whatever it was.
00:06:59.180 The last interaction I had with them was a year ago.
00:07:02.080 So they investigated me, they interrogated me or whatever, and then there was no hearing.
00:07:10.280 There was no time to come and present an argument.
00:07:13.880 They knew I had a law firm because I had my law firm talk to them about a few things.
00:07:18.560 So they knew who I was.
00:07:21.400 They knew how to get in touch with me.
00:07:22.760 They knew who my lawyer was and how to get in touch with them.
00:07:25.660 But they didn't tell either me or my lawyers there was going to be a hearing or a panel.
00:07:31.300 I don't even know.
00:07:32.660 Maybe it was just one guy who said he's guilty.
00:07:35.380 We weren't invited to that.
00:07:37.280 We didn't know how that it was.
00:07:39.000 We weren't even invited to make written submissions.
00:07:42.280 We were just told, out of the blue, that we were convicted and fined.
00:07:49.680 It's absurd.
00:07:50.680 Obviously, we're appealing.
00:07:52.440 And we're going to challenge the underlying constitutionality of this law.
00:07:57.460 And I think that this, the fact that they're doing, I think it's absurd.
00:08:00.860 I think it looks really bad on them.
00:08:02.640 But the fact they're proceeding nonetheless tells me we're in a new era, Andrew,
00:08:06.820 where shame and our cultural memory of being a free place no longer carries weight.
00:08:14.920 And it's been a few days since I rang the alarm about this.
00:08:19.620 And other than you and one of your colleagues at True North,
00:08:24.580 I don't think I've seen any coverage of this in the Canadian media.
00:08:29.660 And I think it's because I'm conservative.
00:08:32.960 I'm a bit of a troublemaker, a gadfly, some would say.
00:08:36.220 So either out of personal distaste for me or political disagreement with me,
00:08:41.780 the fancy people, the intellectual class, have decided,
00:08:45.340 all right, we're fine with an author being convicted in absentia.
00:08:49.260 We're fine with an author being hit with $3,000 in penalties.
00:08:52.660 Well, because they know their worldview insulates them from this.
00:08:55.600 And that's the big danger of this.
00:08:57.140 It used to be back in the era of the Human Rights Commission fights,
00:09:00.200 there was a principled response from journalists
00:09:03.100 because they understood the broader implications of what was happening.
00:09:06.860 And I do have to ask you about that battle,
00:09:08.700 because I recall one of the big shortcomings in people that support free speech's ability
00:09:13.980 to fight against the Human Rights Commission's
00:09:16.600 is that it wasn't really happening in a real courtroom.
00:09:19.720 And very similar to what's happening here.
00:09:21.460 This is a hearing that takes place behind closed doors.
00:09:24.420 It might not have even been a hearing.
00:09:25.680 Do you have the ability under this law to fight this in a real court?
00:09:31.920 Well, you know, I gave it to our lawyers and I asked them to look at the appeal.
00:09:36.420 And it will eventually get to a real court.
00:09:42.680 I think the first appeal, believe it or not, is within Elections Canada.
00:09:47.840 Of course.
00:09:48.220 Don't hold me to that.
00:09:49.960 A body that has served you so well up until this point in the investigation.
00:09:53.340 So we'll probably lose that one, too.
00:09:55.160 I don't know.
00:09:56.640 But I've told the lawyers,
00:09:59.000 it's the same lawyers that argued for Rebel News alongside you
00:10:05.020 and your lawyers at the Federal Court of Canada to get into the election debates.
00:10:10.640 So we've got great free speech lawyers, Aaron Rosenberg, David Elmolet.
00:10:14.380 They were with you when you won that free speech battle.
00:10:19.420 So these are the same guys I'm using.
00:10:21.160 Don't mess with success.
00:10:22.300 These guys got it.
00:10:23.100 So I said to them, appeal this finding, but also challenge the underlying law.
00:10:28.420 Because, look, if we don't do it, who will?
00:10:31.420 When I was a younger man, let's say 25 years ago,
00:10:35.620 I recall when I was just learning about the law and things like that,
00:10:39.700 I recall there was a tradition amongst Canadian media companies
00:10:43.620 to hire a free speech lawyer, like a top gun,
00:10:48.000 send him to court whenever there was a free speech battle.
00:10:51.120 And this one excellent free speech lawyer, and it would be different on different cases,
00:10:56.440 would represent all the media.
00:10:58.500 So a lawyer would show up in court and say, your honor.
00:11:00.660 Yeah, there was a consortium mindset.
00:11:02.100 The consortium, that's what they would call it.
00:11:03.360 Because everyone realized they were all in it together.
00:11:05.340 That's right.
00:11:06.080 So the Global Mail, the Toronto Star, the Toronto Sun, all the newspapers,
00:11:11.020 all the TV stations, they'd chip in like a thousand bucks each.
00:11:14.420 And together, that would maybe give them 20 grand.
00:11:17.040 So they'd send a top gun into court and say, your honor,
00:11:19.920 I'm here to represent every single newspaper and TV station, radio station in this country.
00:11:25.680 Here's the list of them all, because this is a grave threat to all of us.
00:11:29.460 And even though we may not like this guy, we may not know this guy,
00:11:33.140 the principle is so large and important, we're here.
00:11:35.860 I haven't seen that done in at least a decade.
00:11:39.620 And because there's so many newspapers and TV stations, it's not a money issue.
00:11:44.380 I think they have been tamed and trained, and they're submissive now.
00:11:50.040 I think they're all on the payroll of Justin Trudeau's media bailout.
00:11:54.540 They're all ideologically fused and merged with the government.
00:12:00.840 The Canadian Civil Liberties Association is absent without leave.
00:12:05.120 It really is a tiny handful.
00:12:08.000 The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, they're fighting hard.
00:12:11.680 And I think I've just gone through the whole list by mentioning them.
00:12:14.960 There is the Canadian Constitution Foundation.
00:12:17.760 I saw they were doing some stuff.
00:12:19.840 But really, there's nobody.
00:12:21.620 And it's really weird that we have to spend what will probably be 100 grand fighting this.
00:12:27.900 I mean, a normal human being would say, just pay the three grand.
00:12:31.320 Why would you pay?
00:12:32.420 Or just register your book.
00:12:33.680 But you have to, you can't die on the, I mean, you have to fight.
00:12:38.000 On these hills, though.
00:12:39.160 Because it is going to hamper your ability to write a book in the next election, whenever
00:12:43.580 that comes, and so on.
00:12:45.060 But I do have to ask, because I know that you're fighting the underlying law as well.
00:12:48.820 And I'm glad you are.
00:12:49.940 Because that act that exempts advertising of books, specifically, also has a caveat there,
00:12:56.620 which I understand they're using against you.
00:12:58.660 Which is that that only applies if the book were going to be published, regardless of whether
00:13:03.300 or not there were an election.
00:13:04.460 And now, personally, I don't think that should matter, right?
00:13:07.580 I think if you're in any sort of world of publishing, you don't want to publish something
00:13:12.260 when it's going to have less of an impact.
00:13:14.120 So if you're writing a book that has to do with an election, you're going to publish
00:13:17.140 it around the time of an election.
00:13:18.480 It's the same as how, in the media, people hold on to scoops until after weekends or after
00:13:23.300 holidays.
00:13:23.900 But this is a book that you would have written regardless, isn't it?
00:13:27.100 Yeah, you know what?
00:13:27.980 I'm glad you mentioned that.
00:13:29.080 So Section 2 of this law says books are exempt, the promotion of books are exempt if, number
00:13:35.740 one, it's sold at a reasonable price, and ours was, and number two, the book would have
00:13:41.380 been published whether or not there was an election.
00:13:43.240 That last part doesn't even make sense.
00:13:45.420 Because of course there's going to be an election.
00:13:48.440 And if there's not going to be an election, well, then we are in grave danger indeed.
00:13:52.420 And that's not even a joke anymore.
00:13:56.260 They've delayed elections in New Zealand.
00:13:57.960 They've delayed elections in the United Kingdom using the COVID emergency as an excuse.
00:14:02.940 So it's not even unthinkable that elections would be delayed.
00:14:06.740 That wording doesn't even make any sense.
00:14:10.360 I was asked by these cops, did you time the release of the book for the election?
00:14:15.240 I said, of course, because it's about the election.
00:14:17.380 You don't, there were probably, I'm going to guess, 500, maybe more books about Donald
00:14:24.140 Trump, probably 500, including sort of small publishers.
00:14:28.180 Like the Trump book industry, Trump saved the book industry.
00:14:32.140 You think about all the Trump books.
00:14:34.980 None of them waited till November the 4th to be published.
00:14:38.820 That would be really weird.
00:14:41.180 All of them were published pretty much after Labor Day because they wanted to sell books when
00:14:46.960 people were paying attention to the election.
00:14:49.080 Election was in its final moments.
00:14:51.200 So of course my book was published on the eve of the election.
00:14:56.140 Same thing with the other 23 books about Trudeau.
00:14:59.100 It would have been really, really weird to publish a book about Trudeau in the election
00:15:03.320 after the election.
00:15:05.120 Then it's all moot.
00:15:06.680 It's all obsolete.
00:15:07.380 And if they're trying to make that against the law, I mean, by the way, if they are saying
00:15:13.120 that's against the law, well, then all 24 books are against the law.
00:15:16.560 It's normal to publish a book during a campaign.
00:15:19.780 The wording of the law is so weird whether or not there's an election.
00:15:23.080 Well, if there was no election in Canada, you're darn straight I would publish that book.
00:15:26.980 Yeah, and it's more than books we need to be doing at that point.
00:15:29.640 All right, well, we wish you the best in this.
00:15:32.420 Please do keep us updated.
00:15:33.800 Ezra Levant, the Rebel Commander and author of the now-banned book, effectively, The Libranos.
00:15:39.680 Ezra, thanks very much for coming on today.
00:15:41.760 Thanks, Andrew.
00:15:42.480 Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.
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