Juno News - January 28, 2024


Feds begin next phase of Trudeau’s gun grab scheme (ft. Rod Giltaca)

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gun buyback program holdups
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Andrew Lawton Show Rod Giltaka Bill C-63 Trudeau
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In this episode, we talk about the federal government's plan to seize guns and ammunition from gun stores across the country. We also talk about some of the challenges facing gun stores, and why they should be the ones to fight the government.

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00:00:00.000 I wanted to shift from one trampling of your rights to another here.
00:00:14.360 We have on an ongoing basis here the federal government going after the rights of law-abiding gun owners in this country.
00:00:21.400 We have a so-called buyback plan in which the government is going to buy things back that it never once owed in the first place.
00:00:27.520 They're still trying to find a vendor to manage this buyback program.
00:00:32.420 This was announced, just to put this into perspective here, just shy of four years ago.
00:00:38.540 And still, there is no program in existence yet.
00:00:44.100 And the fact that they haven't found a vendor yet, normally I would accuse governments of dragging their heels and slowing things down.
00:00:50.260 In this case, I'm going to say go as slow as you want to, guys.
00:00:53.360 I am in no rush to have my property confiscated.
00:00:56.300 Rod Giltaka is the executive director of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.
00:01:01.180 It's always good to talk to him.
00:01:02.620 And he joins us now.
00:01:04.040 Rod, welcome back, sir.
00:01:05.260 Your video looks better than mine.
00:01:06.600 You've got that good podcast set up there.
00:01:09.060 Welcome.
00:01:09.900 Well, thank you for having me, Andrew.
00:01:11.720 So, again, I mean, normally I never want government to be mired in bureaucracy.
00:01:17.700 In this case, I'll kind of make an exception for it here.
00:01:20.080 But legitimately, what is the holdup here?
00:01:22.120 Because originally, this was supposed to not just be in motion, but done by 2022.
00:01:28.340 By May of 2022, there was supposed to be every one of these guns picked back up by the government.
00:01:33.340 We're now two years beyond that, and not a single gun has been confiscated.
00:01:37.820 Well, the holdup is that the challenge to doing a national buyback in a country like Canada, unlike, let's say, New Zealand, Canada is 10 million square kilometers.
00:01:47.960 So there's a lot of challenges there.
00:01:50.260 The government has tried a lot of different things, ended up being headed off at the pass, a lot of dead ends, right?
00:01:56.980 First, they wanted Canada Post to do it.
00:01:58.540 Well, first, they wanted the RCMP to do it, and they're like, no, thanks.
00:02:01.820 We have to do this other thing that we're doing called policing.
00:02:04.640 Then they wanted Canada Post to do it, and they're like, you want people in Canada Post outlets to be sitting on hundreds of apparently assault-style firearms,
00:02:14.560 and our employees are the only thing between these firearms and the criminal element.
00:02:20.000 And now they're asking gun stores to do it, which gets really, really tricky.
00:02:23.880 Yeah, and I mean, you obviously have, I mean, gun stores, as you and I have spoken about it, as I've spoken about on the show,
00:02:30.820 have been among those most directly harmed by this, because they've been saddled with inventory that they've been able to do nothing with,
00:02:37.440 very little communication from the government, very little confiscation, or, well, consultation.
00:02:42.120 There's a Freudian slip.
00:02:43.100 But the one point that I would stress there is that they're also generally opposed to this.
00:02:47.840 So they don't want to be agents of this confiscation regime.
00:02:51.560 Well, it puts them in a really, really terrible position, if you think, you know, they can't sell handguns anymore.
00:02:57.680 Handguns and handgun ammunition was big business for a lot of gun stores.
00:03:01.600 They can't sell a wide variety of semi-autos that they used to.
00:03:06.820 So their inventory, their possible inventory of the products that they can carry has been drastically, dramatically reduced.
00:03:14.480 And then the government says, hey, you know, here's a revenue stream for you in helping us, helping people comply with the law.
00:03:21.620 So I think that on one hand, you have a lot of gun store owners going, you know, I could really use the business.
00:03:27.320 On the other hand, it's like, well, do I want to destroy my business by giving in and being an agent of confiscation on behalf of the liberals against the people who I want to be my customers?
00:03:36.520 I'm glad I'm not in that position, but I would not be surprised if the overwhelming majority of gun store owners decide they want nothing to do with this.
00:03:45.200 Yeah. And I think one thing that was really, really encouraging to see is Alberta and Saskatchewan take the stand they did and say, you know what?
00:03:53.240 You may control the criminal law, but we control how police resources in our province are deployed.
00:03:57.700 And we are not going to allow police to engage in this function.
00:04:02.080 I was hoping, you know, just magically cause this national ripple effect and every province was going to do it.
00:04:07.780 That hasn't happened, though.
00:04:09.340 So right now, if the liberals had their way, we would still in the majority of the country see this brought to fruition whenever this program comes with, you know, legal appeals notwithstanding.
00:04:20.960 Well, yeah, if the liberals had their way, I mean, but I think they're handling it like they handle most things, right?
00:04:26.200 They'll come out with a big press release, full court press.
00:04:29.060 This is what we're doing.
00:04:30.180 And this is exactly what we said we were going to do.
00:04:32.240 And that's exactly what we're doing.
00:04:33.860 And we're keeping Canadians safe and doing all this garbage that they've done for eight and a half years. 0.89
00:04:39.040 And then when reality shows up, they completely fold like a cheap suit like that. 0.96
00:04:43.160 That is that is that is exactly what the liberals have done, I guess, other than pot.
00:04:47.600 But if you think of it, only the liberal government, the Liberal Party of Canada can lose money selling weed.
00:04:54.300 But it's it's all been about press releases and, you know, I don't know, gaslighting, I guess you could say.
00:05:01.920 But this time it's different because this time the challenge is so great that it would take a highly competent group of people to make this happen.
00:05:10.220 And lucky, I guess, for gun owners for now that that doesn't exist in the liberal government.
00:05:14.520 So I guess we're going to have to see where it goes from here.
00:05:16.820 I just wanted to get you to give an update, if you could, on where the legal side of this is, because I know there were a couple of challenges going on.
00:05:24.320 I know you've had some unsuccessful rulings, but is there still a glimmer of hope on that path?
00:05:29.320 Well, we are appealing and I can't you know, I can't claim to say I'm not envious of what's what happened yesterday.
00:05:35.620 But I think if if anything, what an interesting time in Canadian history to even just be monitoring the judiciary, right?
00:05:45.560 On one hand, the government comes in because of a of a of a an unrelated event, which was the impetus for the assault style weapons ban,
00:05:55.760 which was Nova Scotia, where this this perpetrator had smuggled all of his firearms that were used in those shootings from the United States illegally.
00:06:04.260 And then Trudeau's like, we need to ban guns in Canada.
00:06:08.200 And then you have a court saying, well, you have no property rights.
00:06:12.080 You have no rights of self-defense.
00:06:13.520 That's another charter question that we asked.
00:06:15.620 And we had a question that was very clear.
00:06:17.700 And we still believe we clearly should have won on that, which is the government.
00:06:21.860 It was the the OIC, the Ordering Council was was ultra varies.
00:06:26.140 It's very similar to the ruling that came out yesterday.
00:06:28.360 The government didn't have that authority.
00:06:29.940 So they slap us all down on on all counts with a very scant decision.
00:06:35.920 And then a month later, a federal court decides that it is unreasonable to unconstitutional for the government to ban plastic shopping bags and plastic straws.
00:06:44.400 I mean, that was a line too far.
00:06:46.900 And then we've we have this ruling, you know, yesterday.
00:06:50.240 Right.
00:06:50.540 So it's the judiciary is all over the place.
00:06:54.140 The the moral compass in this country and so many corners is spinning, can't find, you know, north anywhere, apparently.
00:07:01.620 So I hope that we'll be successful on appeal because, again, property rights, self-defense issues and the role of government in our society, all at stake in that case.
00:07:11.880 Well, the one point that I think has always remained important here is that a political solution is always available.
00:07:17.740 It's always possible for the government to one day snap its fingers and say we're no longer proceeding with this.
00:07:22.800 Now, that's unlikely under this government.
00:07:24.300 But if this process is delayed and delayed and delayed until past the next election, another government, I mean, let's be real.
00:07:31.960 The conservatives are the ones most likely at this point to form government could still say this is not happening and put it dead in its tracks.
00:07:38.640 Could it not?
00:07:39.100 Well, it's going to take legislation on some it's really complicated how the liberals have done their OIC and Bill C-21 and C-71 before that the order in council that could be struck down.
00:07:52.480 But anyway, it gets it gets quite complicated.
00:07:55.120 So it may require legislation which will require a conservative majority government.
00:07:59.000 But yeah, the in Canada, as I've said, ad nauseum in Canada, using the British parliamentary system, our government can do pretty much whatever it wants to anybody it wants.
00:08:10.800 The the courts are I'm not going to say, you know, powerless, but they have a lot less power than they have, say, in the United States.
00:08:18.960 And then, of course, they're influenced.
00:08:20.820 I think we can all agree on that at some level.
00:08:22.840 But the yeah, the whole system gets gets gets pretty complex.
00:08:29.140 But what one government does, another government can undo is really the rule of thumb in our system, even though those powers are pretty dramatic.
00:08:37.760 But that's a political solution is one easy.
00:08:41.000 The easiest way, the easiest path, I guess you could say, to Canadian gun owners just being left alone and getting their property back.
00:08:47.820 Rod Giltak, a head of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.
00:08:50.880 Always a pleasure, sir.
00:08:51.800 Thanks for coming on today.
00:08:53.280 Thanks, Andrew.
00:08:53.900 Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.
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