Juno News - Feds DENIED firefighters access while Jasper burned

00:00:00.000 Canadians watched horrified this summer as wildfires attacked the historic village of Jasper.

00:00:06.900 Many of us stood watching and wondering if more could have been done to protect the historic

00:00:11.260 village. About one-third of the buildings burned down. I had a podcast at the time discussing what

00:00:16.700 went wrong and maybe if Parks Canada, the federal agency responsible for protecting Jasper, could

00:00:22.160 have done more in this instance. Many of us came to the conclusion that perhaps more controlled

00:00:26.640 burns would have done the job to protect this historic village. We now know that there's been

00:00:31.600 more failures than we could possibly imagine. This week at a House of Common Parliamentary

00:00:36.080 Committee hearing, one firefighter, one contract firefighter told parliamentarians that he and

00:00:42.560 his crew were prevented from entering Jasper to fight the fire during the wildfire crisis.

00:00:49.040 Joining me today to discuss is Alberta Parks Minister Todd Lowen. I'm Rachel Parker and you're

00:00:55.580 watching The Rachel Parker Show.

00:01:13.480 Hi Todd, thank you so much for being here today. Before we get into the heavy subject matter of

00:01:20.020 Jasper and the wildfires and what all went wrong back in July, I just want to take a moment to

00:01:25.020 acknowledge that you're in your truck in rural Alberta right now and that this is possible

00:01:29.320 because of Elon Musk's Starlink. You said that's how you're connecting to us today. For my viewers who

00:01:34.860 watch my show consistently, you know that I'm a pretty big Elon Musk fan. So this is just so awesome

00:01:39.200 to me that you're able to connect to us from your vehicle and have perfectly clear and very good

00:01:44.820 internet, it seems by all accounts. How often are you connecting out in remote places in your vehicle?

00:01:50.680 All the time actually. You know, rural Alberta, the service with cell phones and everything is so

00:01:57.680 intermittent that it's incredibly frustrating. A lot of waste of time when a person could be

00:02:02.560 talking to people on the phone and then as far as getting actually internet connection when you're

00:02:07.740 in rural Alberta is always tough too. So this has been a really real game changer for me to be able to

00:02:14.480 to be able to do this. And again, I use it for calling. I use it for interviews like this and

00:02:20.780 everything. It's very helpful. Yeah, that's awesome. I know you have a cabinet meeting a

00:02:25.560 little bit later. So obviously, you know, you really rely on this. My husband and I have had

00:02:29.600 our fair share of difficulties trying to connect out in rural Alberta. I think there's even been

00:02:33.720 instances where I thought I wasn't going to be able to get my show in just because I didn't have

00:02:37.380 strong enough internet. So I think we're going to be looking into Starlink pretty soon here. You've

00:02:42.100 sort of sealed the deal for me. So that's awesome. Okay, I want to talk to you specifically about

00:02:46.940 this House of Commons committee meeting that was just sort of one of the biggest scandals that's

00:02:51.320 unfolding right now. Obviously, Canadians were shocked and horrified during the Jasper wildfires.

00:02:56.780 Jasper is such a historic village. It's nearing dear to a lot of people's hearts and it's just such a

00:03:01.120 beautiful part of Canada. And when those firefighters were going, I know the premier initially said that

00:03:05.860 up to half the village would burn. And now we know that one third of the buildings burned.

00:03:10.500 And you know, obviously, it's reopened, people can go back, but there's so much that has been lost.

00:03:14.980 And I think there's just a frustration among Canadians that pay attention to these issues and

00:03:19.420 really feel like more could have been done. This House of Commons parliamentary committee meeting

00:03:23.360 really brought those fears to roost with Canadians hearing from a contract firefighter who said that

00:03:30.660 he and his crew showed up to help the efforts in fighting the wildfires and were essentially given a

00:03:37.920 very hard time by Parks Canada and told you're not allowed to be here. In some cases, they weren't

00:03:42.080 even able to connect to water sources such as the Athabasca River. So I want to kind of dive into

00:03:46.500 maybe what went wrong here. Let's start by playing this first initial clip. Here we can see a

00:03:51.620 conservative MP questioning this firefighter. His name is Chris Levon. And Levon is explaining that

00:03:57.400 his crew, you know, they're well trained and really all the resources that they came readily

00:04:01.300 available with. Let's take a look at this first clip here. We're able to muster enough vehicles

00:04:06.140 to provide water yourself as a contingency. You don't necessarily rely on being able to tie into

00:04:11.200 a hydrant. Is that correct? That's correct. It's been my experience from previous fires that the

00:04:16.460 hydrant systems cannot be deemed as reliable because they're only designed to have one or two

00:04:21.700 structure fires at a time. So when you have numerous fire trucks tying in, it is not impossible for the

00:04:27.480 water system to be completely depleted. So that's why we now use secondary water sources to supply

00:04:33.860 water. And you had the fire trucks and the water trucks available in order to engage the fire in

00:04:39.500 Jasper in the town site, correct? That's correct. And you were told specifically that you could not

00:04:44.720 access and you were told specifically by parks officials to not engage in fighting the fire in

00:04:49.760 Jasper. Do I hear you? Did I hear you say that correctly? We were able to use water from Pyramid Lake

00:04:54.820 and not from Athanasca River. And we were not allowed to engage the fire.

00:05:00.540 20 fire trucks, 50 firefighters, not allowed to engage the fire.

00:05:05.840 Okay, Todd. So there you really get a picture of what is going on. There was 20 fire trucks,

00:05:12.060 50 firefighters, and you hear Blaine Culkin sort of repeating that in disbelief and a conservative

00:05:16.420 Alberta MP. Hearing those numbers, hearing that situation, what's your initial reaction

00:05:20.540 to this information, Todd? You know, it's always frustrating when people are there to help and

00:05:26.480 just because of the processes involved with the federal government and Parks Canada, you know,

00:05:31.160 weren't able to. It's something we did battle in Alberta Wildfire too. And we've been able to break

00:05:36.040 down a lot of those barriers and make sure that there's that ability. You know, we made sure that

00:05:40.900 equipment could be approved quicker and put to work a lot quicker than what was done in the past.

00:05:47.100 But, you know, Parks Canada hasn't got that system in place. This is probably,

00:05:52.980 maybe somewhat a new experience for them, having a wildfire of this magnitude. When it comes to

00:05:58.460 Alberta Wildfire, you know, we're dealing with hundreds of fires a year and Parks Canada deals

00:06:02.860 with tens of fires a year. So even though they do have good people working for them, they just don't

00:06:08.220 have the experience that Alberta Wildfire has. So in this instance, this individual, Chris,

00:06:13.260 he works for a company called Arctic Fire Safety. They ended up releasing a letter later on saying,

00:06:18.740 you know, a number of things broke down. They were essentially hired by resorts that were based in

00:06:23.860 Jasper. And, you know, the letter outlines a bunch of the issues that they had that

00:06:27.560 Parks Canada obstructed their activities, that they were told that they were not legally allowed to be

00:06:32.200 there, that they were denied access to Athabasca River. So you're saying, you know, it sounds like

00:06:36.700 this was really Parks Canada's first rodeo with something of this magnitude. Is that really the,

00:06:41.680 is that the issue here that they were just not prepared to deal with a wildfire of this magnitude?

00:06:47.200 Yeah, I think they, it's, it's fair to say that they, you know, I don't know any other time when

00:06:51.600 a town in any of the national parks has burnt down like Jasper did. And, but when it comes to these,

00:06:57.820 you know, these contractors coming in, like these, these hotels and these different,

00:07:01.340 different places, they have contracts, their insurance company has, insurance companies have

00:07:06.000 contracts with some of these firefighting crews to make sure that they can protect their,

00:07:09.700 their assets themselves. And, and I, I would have thought that there would have been free access

00:07:14.380 to, for these companies to go in. I know there was fire trucks going into Fort McMurray this spring

00:07:19.600 when I, when the fire was approaching Fort McMurray. And those were some contracted, the firefighting

00:07:26.860 trucks that were headed in there, contracted by, by different companies, different hotels and things

00:07:32.240 like that to help battle the fire, to make sure that they could protect their, their own,

00:07:36.140 their own assets there. And so this is something that it, that isn't uncommon. And so I was a little

00:07:41.900 surprised that the, that there wasn't a system in place for this. So when you're saying that this is

00:07:47.620 not entirely uncommon to have these contractors, if Alberta wildfires had been the one responding to

00:07:54.660 the fire in Jasper, as they would in other parts of the province where it's not, you know, a federally

00:07:59.700 regulated, um, a park, what would the response of Alberta wildfires have been if contractors showed

00:08:05.340 up at the door and said, we're here to help? Yeah. So when it comes to Alberta wildfire, we,

00:08:10.040 you know, we fight the fire on the, on the land base out in the, in the forested area, forest

00:08:13.800 protection area. And so the municipalities are the ones that are in charge of the wildfire when it

00:08:18.120 comes into a municipality. So for instance, Fort McMurray there, when that fire was threatening Fort

00:08:22.260 McMurray earlier this spring, that was a municipality that would have made the decision on allowing

00:08:26.400 those, uh, those trucks to come in. And, uh, when it comes to Alberta wildfire, we, you know, we're,

00:08:31.040 we're working in, uh, mostly in the forested area and that interface area where we're getting,

00:08:35.220 you know, where the fire's getting close to municipality. So we work directly with the

00:08:38.420 municipality, but the municipality itself would have been making the decision on, uh, the entrance

00:08:42.800 of those vehicles into the town site. And have you ever heard of a situation like this before

00:08:47.120 where contractors showed up and the municipality said, actually, um, we, you guys aren't allowed to be

00:08:52.020 here. And, and in that instance as well, in a case where it actually turns out that

00:08:56.400 for example, in Jasper, you know, one third of the buildings being burned, uh, where a municipality

00:09:00.660 turns away contractors and then ends up losing significant portions of the municipality that

00:09:05.820 they are, you know, in supposed to be protecting. Yeah. So, you know, there's, there is situations

00:09:11.700 that have happened in the past where municipalities have felt like they had the fire under control

00:09:15.560 themselves and, and didn't want to have help from outside contractors, but that isn't a situation

00:09:20.360 here. This is, this is a different situation where we have a municipality that may have welcomed

00:09:24.960 them, but, uh, but Parks Canada being in control of the, the, uh, the area there, uh, we're in a

00:09:30.920 different situation than what we'd normally see in a municipality in Alberta.

00:09:34.480 Sure. I want to play one other clip from this interview where Levon was saying a little bit

00:09:39.200 alluding to what he thinks might've broken down, or he talks specifically about the legislative

00:09:43.140 process. He says there was no legislative process that allowed us to be there. Let's play this next

00:09:47.380 clip. You had said that you were not, you were not legally allowed to be there. Could you explain

00:09:52.700 why you were not?

00:09:55.660 What was explained to us by the operations section chief, uh, the second in command to

00:10:00.300 the incident commander? Um, as far as I know, we were allowed to be there because, uh, this

00:10:06.720 was through the Parks Canada liaison person and our client, uh, that made these arrangements

00:10:12.300 for us to be in there. Um, I guess there's no legislative process to allow contract firefighters,

00:10:22.300 being there on behalf of other parties must be the reasoning for that, but we, we did not

00:10:28.860 show up there, um, unanticipated. This was arrangements that were made on behalf of our

00:10:34.620 client pursuit and Parks Canada before we showed up. It's not like we show up at the door and

00:10:39.920 managed to be let in with barbarians. We, it was our expectation that when we got to the 1.00

00:10:44.320 gate that we were supposed to be, we made it to go in to do our job to help protect, uh, the

00:10:48.580 economic engine of Jasper.

00:10:51.940 So there you hear Christopher say, you know, we had been working with Parks Canada was our

00:10:56.920 understanding that we'd be allowed. And we, he actually says we didn't show up at the door

00:10:59.960 like barbarians demanding to be lit. And I thought that was funny. Um, and as you mentioned, it 0.99

00:11:04.640 seems like Parks Canada, they just didn't really have the systems in place. They weren't sure

00:11:08.160 what to do with these volunteers when they arrived for people like you and I who deal with

00:11:11.980 the federal government on a semi fairly regular basis. We are not surprised to see how this

00:11:16.240 and broke down. That seems to really be, um, on par with the federal government these days.

00:11:21.600 But when he specifically mentions that legislative process, I have to ask, is this something that is

00:11:26.520 now on the government of Alberta's radar? And, you know, is there any way they can compel changes

00:11:32.380 within Parks Canada to ensure that in the future, when there's wildfire rate, wildfires raging

00:11:37.580 specifically near buildings, um, that contractors will be allowed in to help.

00:11:42.240 You know, there's a lot of changes we'd like to see with, uh, with Parks Canada and how they deal

00:11:47.200 with wildfire. You know, when it comes to municipalities, uh, we passed bill 21 in the

00:11:51.600 legislature here this, this past spring, which allows us to be more involved in fires when

00:11:55.980 they're in a municipality, uh, than we were previously allowed to. And we would like to see

00:12:00.400 something similar to that for, for Jasper and Banff and the national parks. Uh, we'd like to be able to,

00:12:06.120 to be involved again. We, we have the expertise, we have the equipment, we have the contractors and things

00:12:10.980 like that, that, uh, that can really, uh, do a great job in battling these fires. And, and when,

00:12:16.420 you know, when you have these, uh, major fires like this, the more expertise you have on the ground,

00:12:20.340 the better. And, uh, and I think it'd be advantageous to make sure that we, we were able

00:12:24.940 to be involved like we can at the municipal level in Alberta.

00:12:28.740 Sure. You know, that sort of brings me to something else I wanted to raise is after the wildfires

00:12:32.420 happened, I know a number of people, especially on the conservative side said, you know, this was sort of

00:12:36.620 an abysmal job from Parks Canada. Let's give this responsibility back to Alberta, back to Alberta

00:12:41.440 wildfire. Let's have a provincial homegrown response to it. And you've said now that the Alberta

00:12:47.040 government has produced changes. So are you going to be guaranteed now moving forward that if there is

00:12:52.240 a fire in a federally regulated park, that Alberta wildfires is going to be allowed in, or are those

00:12:58.240 still changes that you're ironing out with Parks Canada? The request has been made and we'll,

00:13:03.220 we'll see where that request goes. Um, we've, we've sent a letter to Minister Guibo asking to,

00:13:08.100 to have that same sort of, uh, arrangement that we do have with municipalities in Alberta. So we've

00:13:12.820 asked for that and we want to be more involved in, uh, in, uh, the fire prevention and mitigation efforts

00:13:17.380 that, uh, that Parks Canada has or hasn't, uh, undergone over the past several years. Uh, when we look at

00:13:24.260 our, you know, we have the, uh, community fire guard program that we announced last fall that's being

00:13:29.860 utilized right now and, and, uh, to help protect communities. Uh, we have fire smart and we know,

00:13:34.980 uh, some of the national parks have been involved in some of our fire smart activities.

00:13:39.060 But, uh, when we look at what we've done with our forests in Alberta, when it come to pine beetle

00:13:43.140 infestations and things like that, we, we are aggressive in fighting the pine beetle, but we're

00:13:47.220 also aggressive in taking out those dead trees and taking out the trees that were in danger of being

00:13:51.140 infested by a pine beetle. And that's, uh, that's made a huge difference as far as the fuel load in,

00:13:56.260 uh, in the rest of Alberta versus the fuel load of, uh, in the national parks.

00:14:01.860 Todd, just my last question for you here. When we talk about sort of this, uh, breakdown in Parks

00:14:07.860 Canada and their response to the contractors arriving, you know, we've talked a little bit

00:14:11.220 about how maybe it's not that surprising given how the federal government seems to be so heavily

00:14:16.580 regulated in every avenue. And when something new happens, even if it's sort of a common sense

00:14:21.860 approach, uh, they just don't pick up on that. And because they don't have a process to deal

00:14:25.460 with it, they, they sort of just rejected as they did with these contractors. I think for some people

00:14:30.260 watching, there's such a level of fatigue with specifically this federal government and sort of

00:14:34.980 the constant corruption scandals that we're seeing. And I can't help but think that some people

00:14:39.060 watching this are going to feel like these contractors being turned away was maybe not

00:14:43.140 just a government process breaking down, but perhaps something more untoward happening.

00:14:47.940 What would your response to, to those Albertans and those Canadians be?

00:14:51.460 Well, I think when we, we look at the federal government is, you know, they want to have

00:14:56.020 control over everything they possibly can. And we, we know that they don't have the expertise

00:15:00.500 and they don't have the on the ground knowledge that we have as Albertans. And I think other

00:15:03.780 provinces probably feel the same way. And, uh, so it's, it is frustrating to see this, uh, this

00:15:08.660 kind of control and these kind of, uh, uh, uh, you know, decisions being made, uh, basically in Ottawa

00:15:13.940 when it, that it directly affects Albertans right here in Alberta. And, uh, again, I think there's a,

00:15:18.900 uh, there's a strong desire and justifiably to see that change and to see if we can get back to

00:15:23.860 more local decision, decision-making. Minister, thank you so much for your time today.

00:15:31.380 Thank you. I appreciate it too. And, uh, yeah, no, it's lots of good discussion. Lots of things

00:15:35.780 need to be done moving forward on this. Great. Well, we'll talk to you soon. Have a good one.

00:15:39.780 Yeah. Thanks. All right, everyone. That was Alberta forestry and parks minister,

00:15:44.900 Todd Lohan. I really appreciate his perspective today. I've known Todd for a number of years. He

00:15:49.460 was one of the, uh, first people that I met when I moved to Alberta. Obviously he ran for the

00:15:54.260 leadership that was eventually won by Danielle Smith, but honestly, he really is such a solid guy.

00:15:59.860 For those of you who aren't super familiar with him, he's like definitely on our side. So I'm really

00:16:05.140 grateful that he's in office. I often say there's not a lot of politicians that I respect. I do really

00:16:09.060 admire minister Lohan. I'm grateful for the work that he's doing and I'm grateful that he came on and

00:16:12.900 shared his perspective today. So thank you minister Lohan again for that. Now we are going to move on

00:16:19.300 to the clip of the week. Now this is becoming a tradition on the show. And basically I've asked my

00:16:25.940 producer, the infamous Sean to click a clip every week for us to discuss. I don't watch it in advance

00:16:32.580 of the show because I want to be able to give you guys my sort of raw unfiltered response to the clip.

00:16:39.780 So we're all going to enjoy it together this week. I have been warned and I feel it is only fair to

00:16:45.940 forewarn you all that it is a clip of Chrystia Freeland this week. Now I've been told that some

00:16:52.260 of you guys turn off the show when she starts to come on, or some of you guys let me know that you

00:16:56.980 might mute it when she is on. Can't really say I blame you. There's something so, like,

00:17:02.900 ingratiating about the way that she speaks. Like, I think how she talks to all of us Canadians,

00:17:07.540 like, the fact that we're, like, really stupid or maybe that we're, like, two years old. Like, 0.99

00:17:12.500 that's sort of how she talks to us. So I do appreciate it. It's very difficult to listen to.

00:17:17.300 But we're going to have to get through it together so we can hear what she has to say afterwards.

00:17:20.820 This week, she's actually complaining about the Conservatives' non-confidence motion efforts,

00:17:26.980 which is just too ironic. I feel like this is going to be pretty juicy. So you guys are going to want

00:17:30.660 to stick around through this. Turn your volume down and listen to it at, like, the bare minimum

00:17:34.260 if you have to. I do that sometimes. Usually when I'm listening to myself. But that would be my

00:17:40.260 suggestion to you all. Okay, let's go take a look at this clip of Chrystia Freeland.

00:17:44.740 I just think it is appalling and ridiculous what we're seeing in the House of Commons.

00:17:51.380 And I think it is really disrespectful to Canadians and disrespectful to our democracy. It makes me 0.61

00:17:59.940 frustrated and it makes me angry to see just the disrespect for constituents, the disrespect for

00:18:08.980 Parliament that the Conservatives are demonstrating.

00:18:12.820 So that clip was of Chrystia Freeland from Tuesday morning. You have to just laugh every single thing

00:18:19.940 that she said there. If you didn't know the context of it, if you didn't know that she was

00:18:24.980 specifically speaking about the Conservatives' efforts to pass a non-confidence motion that would

00:18:30.500 topple the government and force an election, then you could honestly think that she was talking about

00:18:36.100 the fact that the Liberals are clinging to power with everything they have. She's talking about how

00:18:41.620 Canadians are frustrated and angry. Yes, they are. Because Canadians want a federal election.

00:18:47.220 She's talking about the disrespect for Parliament. Parliament process has completely broken down.

00:18:51.780 I don't know if you guys have been paying much attention. I have a feeling that a lot of people

00:18:55.700 have totally checked out of what's going on in Ottawa because it's so frustrating to watch how

00:19:03.140 little things are working together. And I said this, I think it was on Off The Record last week,

00:19:07.620 Friday, I basically just said like this happens from time to time, maybe every 10 years or so,

00:19:12.740 where it just seems that our elected officials come to a place where they're not able to work

00:19:18.420 together anymore. And usually when that happens, you know that it is just another example that it

00:19:23.540 is time for an election. In this case, our parliamentarians from party to party hold so

00:19:29.460 much contempt for one another. They really are not able to work together. I mean, we had an incident of

00:19:34.660 Jagmeet Singh yelling at the Conservative leader, Pierre Poliev, in the House and basically trying to

00:19:40.260 challenge him to a fight outside. Like this is like grade eight level stuff, not even high school.

00:19:46.420 They're not even in high school anymore. They really moved all the way back to elementary school.

00:19:51.220 And so everything that Christia Freeland here is saying is true. Canadians are frustrated and angry.

00:19:57.460 Canadians are seeing the dysfunction in parliament. And that is because Canadians want an election.

00:20:03.860 Canadians, writ large, want one of these non-confidence motions to pass and they want

00:20:08.420 the government to fall and they want an election to see. That's so evidence of all the polling that we've

00:20:12.820 seen out in the fact that the Conservatives are 20 points ahead of the Liberals. I think from time

00:20:17.700 to time when we see polling come out, people read into it a bit too much. Oh, you know, one sort of

00:20:23.060 off-brand poll will come out that shows, I don't know, they'll show the United Conservative Party

00:20:28.660 20 points, 10 points ahead of the head and then she's NDP. And, you know, we get really excited about

00:20:33.860 it. As a journalist, you know, I'm like, oh, wow, that's such a crazy poll. And then maybe over time,

00:20:37.380 we've learned, oh, you know, that poll was really a one-off and other polling that we've seen, it

00:20:41.780 doesn't really continue to show these trends. And maybe that poll maybe captured a moment in time

00:20:47.140 and place after a really good announcement, or maybe the polling just wasn't that good to begin

00:20:50.900 with. But in this case, it's like we've had months of polling of the Conservatives 20 points ahead.

00:20:56.100 We know that Canadians are ready for change. And when Christopher is talking here, it might be a good

00:21:02.260 time to just turn the mirror around, take a look at herself. Do a little bit of self-reflection, 0.99

00:21:07.940 Christia Freeland. That is my recommendation for you. I think that you should just stay home and

00:21:13.460 spend a little time thinking about Canadians and what they actually want and what the polling is

00:21:18.340 showing and that maybe, you know, your government, you guys have had, you know, your run, you've damaged

00:21:23.860 the country enough. It's time for all of us to move on. That is my thoughts on Christia Freeland and

00:21:29.540 the once again hypocrisy of the Liberal government, which I'm just tired of saying those words.

00:21:34.740 But I'm just going to have to settle in because it's probably going to be a few more weeks. I've

00:21:38.660 hear, you know, some people are saying that they think it's likely the government will fall before

00:21:42.980 the end of the year. That would be great. I would love to cover a federal election. I love covering

00:21:46.980 elections. It's like some of the most fun coverage that you can do. But until then, we are here to

00:21:51.380 continue talking about the Liberal hypocrisy and all of us are waiting for change as Christia Freeland

00:21:57.380 recognizes, though doesn't really understand the root cause of that desire to change, it seems.

00:22:02.740 All right, everyone, that's all we have time for today on The Rachel Parker Show. I hope you enjoyed

00:22:07.300 a little bit of coverage of what's going on out west, which is where I now live, actually. Some

00:22:12.500 of you guys might have noticed my audio, my lights are not quite as good today. That's actually because

00:22:16.660 my husband and I are in the process of moving. We're moving to central Alberta. I'm not going to be too

00:22:22.100 much more specific with our location. And so all my usual gear that I would use is in a moving truck

00:22:28.420 on the way there. So I didn't have access to it today. So I hope that wasn't too much of a

00:22:32.580 distraction for you all. But I am looking forward to being set up in my new office and to be focusing

00:22:37.860 on my work. And we've got some exciting stuff covering the United Conservative Party annual

00:22:41.220 general meeting is coming up. The American election is coming up. So lots of really exciting

00:22:45.540 things. True North Live Nation is coming up in Calgary. I hope that you guys bought your tickets for

00:22:49.860 that. Looking forward to seeing a bunch of you there. But for now, that's all we have time for

00:22:54.100 on the Rachel Parker Show. I will be back tomorrow with Rachel and the Republic, where I will be joined

00:22:58.900 by Sue Ann Levy to discuss the latest and greatest in the American election. Okay, guys, have a great week.

00:23:04.500 God bless.

Juno News - October 08, 2024

Feds DENIED firefighters access while Jasper burned

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