Juno News - January 13, 2024


Feds spend half a million on awards for themselves


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A new report from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation shows that over the last decade, one of the government's favourite pastimes has been giving its own employees awards and patting themselves on the back through the public service awards. We talk to CTF's Alberta Director, Chris Sims, about why this is such a bad idea.

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00:00:00.000 We are in the midst of a new year, but of course, some things never change.
00:00:13.760 One of those is government waste.
00:00:16.180 Yes, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
00:00:18.560 If by gift, you mean debt that keeps on amassing.
00:00:21.620 There was a new report from our friends at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation this morning.
00:00:26.280 And this report found that over the last decade, like this is a 10-year period, one of the
00:00:34.160 government's great pastimes has been like giving its own employees awards and just like
00:00:39.140 patting themselves on the back through the public service awards.
00:00:43.720 Now, I didn't know that public servants needed awards.
00:00:46.440 I didn't know they had earned awards.
00:00:48.220 In fact, if you look at a report last year from the parliamentary budget officer, it found
00:00:52.920 that federal departments fell short of meeting half of their performance targets.
00:00:59.000 So I don't know what awards they're given.
00:01:01.320 This is not necessarily like the big Golden Globes and the Oscars and all of that.
00:01:05.560 But still, they've spent half a million dollars over the last decade.
00:01:08.940 Most of that was just on like custom trophies.
00:01:11.900 But then there's also a hefty fat catering bill that gets thrown in through that as well.
00:01:17.920 So this has just been one aspect of this when you just see a great disconnect between the
00:01:23.940 way government deals with things and the way people in the real world tend to deal with
00:01:29.300 them.
00:01:29.460 Now, I don't know if you've been, no judgment.
00:01:31.360 If you in the last 10 years have been giving yourself awards and you've been hosting these
00:01:36.780 galas to give yourself the awards and you've been getting these fancy, fancy trophies to
00:01:41.560 remind you of just how incredible you were, maybe that is what flies for you.
00:01:46.800 Again, I don't want to be too judgmental a person here, but we want to talk about this
00:01:51.160 in a bit more depth here.
00:01:52.600 So we have joining us our Alberta correspondent, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation's Alberta
00:01:58.360 Director, Chris Sims.
00:02:00.020 Oh, apparently Chris has turned off her camera.
00:02:02.000 So I don't know if we're going to get a Chris appearance in a moment.
00:02:05.120 We'll get Chris in just a second here.
00:02:07.760 But let me just read through some of the greatest hits from this here.
00:02:10.740 This is, I should be precise, $476,000.
00:02:18.040 That's what taxpayers said to spend.
00:02:20.360 Now, this is from 2012 to 2022.
00:02:24.100 But the hilarious thing is they launched this award in 2005 with 14 award categories to recognize
00:02:32.540 government employees who demonstrated excellence in achieving results.
00:02:37.880 So excellence in achieving results for Canadians.
00:02:41.440 So if you've been feeling like you've been really getting results from your public servants,
00:02:44.900 Chris Sims from the CTF.
00:02:46.360 We have her at long last.
00:02:47.520 Chris, good to talk to you.
00:02:48.660 Thanks for coming on.
00:02:49.760 Sorry, I always get a gremlin.
00:02:51.140 Just before I go on your show, my camera clicks off.
00:02:53.600 So yeah, this was great work that was done by my friend and colleague, Ryan Thorpe.
00:02:57.720 He is our resident investigative journalist.
00:03:00.640 A lot of folks may not know this, but we actually have a full-time investigative journalist
00:03:05.760 paid on staff at the Taxpayers' Federation.
00:03:09.400 We did this, Andrew, because as you know, investigative journalists are an endangered species now.
00:03:15.300 And so we created this little terrarium for him.
00:03:18.200 And he now lives under his little heat lamp in Ottawa.
00:03:21.060 I think he lives down the street from Franco Teresano.
00:03:23.080 And Ryan dug up these great ATIP documents that showed that not only, Andrew, are they
00:03:29.680 doing this Public Service Excellence Awards, which started under Prime Minister Paul Martin,
00:03:34.160 by the way, 10 years ago, but they also do this big catering gala.
00:03:38.860 They actually had duck prosciutto.
00:03:42.220 Like, I didn't know that you could do that.
00:03:44.580 I thought prosciutto was like pork.
00:03:47.400 Like, I'm totally showing my roots here.
00:03:49.860 But apparently, like, it must just be you can turn...
00:03:52.800 No duck prosciutto in Lethbridge, is there?
00:03:54.500 No, at least not in Lethbridge.
00:03:55.800 I did, hang on, on this, I got, I did an artist rendering of the menu before the show started.
00:04:02.120 I used, there's this program called Mid Journey, which is like a photo generating AI.
00:04:06.840 And I basically plugged in the government's catering menu here so I could get a sense of what
00:04:11.780 these bureaucrats were getting. 1.00
00:04:13.600 Sean, can you put the graphic up?
00:04:15.180 There we go.
00:04:15.640 So this is charcuterie featuring cured Arctic char and duck prosciutto.
00:04:21.640 I didn't ask the AI engine to do the champagne in the background.
00:04:25.020 It just kind of got the sense on its own that the Government of Canada employees were probably
00:04:28.980 having champagne.
00:04:30.480 But yeah, that is the AI, pretty good actually, AI generated government charcuterie platter.
00:04:35.780 I think the Arctic char is the pink stuff on the left.
00:04:38.520 And I think the duck prosciutto is the stuff in the middle just to the left of the green olives.
00:04:42.580 But like I said, I haven't seen duck prosciutto, so I don't know for sure.
00:04:46.360 Me neither.
00:04:46.740 Well, maybe when you go over to the WEF forum, they'll throw some for you over the wall.
00:04:51.880 They're not letting you in, but maybe they'll send you a doggy bag.
00:04:55.240 This, this is, this is what's so annoying, okay, is that you'll have the government say
00:04:59.740 something like, oh, well, we've been fiscally responsible for the past 10 years or whatever.
00:05:03.860 And then the moment you tell them, hey, you guys are wasting a lot of money, they get all
00:05:08.640 huffy and they're like, well, what do you want to cancel first?
00:05:11.280 Education for children or healthcare for old people?
00:05:14.100 It's like, well, maybe don't throw yourself an awards gala for bureaucrats.
00:05:19.240 Maybe don't hand out antique gold trophies on glass marble bases.
00:05:25.640 Just stop doing that.
00:05:27.460 Don't hire a photographer.
00:05:29.200 Don't literally roll out a red carpet for yourselves.
00:05:33.140 This is all taxpayers' money.
00:05:34.960 We have to stress this, okay?
00:05:36.360 We know there are some corporations, if you're a big company, you do give out awards for a
00:05:42.020 job well done, but you all chip in over the year.
00:05:45.460 Like people donate their pay to this fund and they'll have like a big dinner and then they'll
00:05:51.420 recognize people and you'll get some little crystal thing and you keep it on your, on your
00:05:54.800 shelf.
00:05:55.460 No, no, this is not coming from their own little fund.
00:05:58.700 This is taxpayer funded awards galas here.
00:06:02.800 I misunderstood.
00:06:03.980 I thought the red carpet was just like a gender reveal for the debt. 1.00
00:06:07.320 Like you just, we roll it out and it's like, oh, we're in the red today.
00:06:11.500 That's such a good idea.
00:06:12.820 We should do that next time with the debt clock.
00:06:15.000 Well, it's always, you don't even need to buy a black carpet.
00:06:16.820 It's always red every year.
00:06:18.080 That's the reality of it.
00:06:19.560 That's it.
00:06:20.040 We're going to put that with the debt clock.
00:06:21.500 Next time we do a debt clock tour, we're just going to roll it out and that's going to
00:06:25.100 be the reveal.
00:06:25.760 That's a brilliant idea.
00:06:26.760 So I'm looking at this too and they might as well make all the trophies snowflakes because
00:06:31.940 this is really just the snowflake award thing here where you've not even done your job well,
00:06:36.520 but we're going to give you an award for not doing it because you didn't do it better than
00:06:40.720 anyone else didn't do it in the company.
00:06:42.340 Yeah, it's not only awards to bureaucrats, it's participation awards to bureaucrats that
00:06:48.680 were handy.
00:06:49.460 Like every now and then there's a moment that happens in our current crazy wacky culture
00:06:54.000 and this is one of them.
00:06:55.740 This is just peak woke silliness of handing out a participation trophy to a bureaucrat at
00:07:02.000 taxpayer's expense while eating duck prosciutto.
00:07:05.300 I just realized that when I did the AI photo, I forgot to put in the pork terrine.
00:07:11.260 So there was also a pork, we didn't do the AI, we'll have to like bill another $10,000
00:07:15.080 and put the...
00:07:16.500 Is that a paste or is that a soup?
00:07:18.380 A pork terrine, yeah.
00:07:19.200 It's like a, it's like a pate.
00:07:20.980 Oh, okay.
00:07:21.840 Yeah, but a pork pate. 0.91
00:07:22.900 So they took the pork out of the prosciutto and instead put it into the terrine when the
00:07:26.520 terrine should have been duck.
00:07:27.480 They're going all freaky Friday here.
00:07:29.500 This is all that Sean and I are going to be eating next week in Davos.
00:07:32.780 This reminds me of, speaking of Davos, which you have to fly to, I assume.
00:07:37.020 You're not going to, you're not going to parasail over there?
00:07:38.840 No, we're not doing like the Greta Thunberg transatlantic sailboat or anything.
00:07:43.200 You'd be there in a month.
00:07:45.720 Oh, we missed it.
00:07:46.640 Time to go back.
00:07:47.500 And in January.
00:07:48.500 No, you died.
00:07:49.220 Don't try to do that.
00:07:50.400 This reminds me of the in-flight service that the governor general had, right?
00:07:55.020 We all had to look up what beef Carpaccio was, but she was eating it. 0.97
00:08:00.000 I knew what beef Wellington was from Bugs Bunny, but I had to look up what beef Carpaccio was,
00:08:04.600 but we all paid for it.
00:08:06.020 This is the thing, folks.
00:08:07.100 There's literally, no pun intended, so much fat to trim here that they blew almost half
00:08:12.380 a million dollars on a public service trophy ceremony over the past decade.
00:08:18.880 Harper government included, I will point out.
00:08:21.340 This sort of nonsense was going on under the Harper government's nose too.
00:08:25.020 There was also one, I looked up one of the documents, this was in 2021, where they even
00:08:32.060 spent, I think it was like $37,000 on a virtual event.
00:08:36.800 So they didn't even like have to all be in the same room and it still cost them $20,000 for,
00:08:42.760 no, $15,000 for trophies, $20,000 to develop an online platform, because apparently $200
00:08:49.600 for a Zoom subscription was too complicated and a $2,000 speech writer.
00:08:54.980 So even your crappy human resources award, Joe, you can't even just write the speech on 0.98
00:09:00.640 the back of a napkin like every other crappy boss does. 0.98
00:09:03.040 You hired a speech writer. 0.98
00:09:04.800 Right.
00:09:05.400 And, or you can't even get one of your millions of middle managers who are keyboard warriors
00:09:10.960 at the best of times to write a speech on their own time.
00:09:15.260 No, you had to contract that out to someone else.
00:09:18.520 We should A-tip the speech.
00:09:19.620 I want to find out what speech we got for $2,000.
00:09:22.280 That's a really good idea.
00:09:23.300 If you're listening, Ryan Thorpe, I want to get the speech.
00:09:26.460 He wants the speech.
00:09:27.400 Okay.
00:09:27.560 I will mention that to Ryan.
00:09:28.500 And like, just to put a poetic note on this, okay, the Taxpayers Federation, this is definitely
00:09:34.160 going to be in the running for a Teddy Waste Award.
00:09:36.860 We do our own awards show, okay, that the foundation and the organization pays for itself.
00:09:42.600 It gets tons of media coverage and it's announcing government waste.
00:09:47.220 We hand out trophies for that.
00:09:49.860 Okay.
00:09:50.340 There's a big gala, but we keep the trophies.
00:09:54.240 Andrew, I got one of these trophies once that I built myself.
00:09:57.480 Do you remember that show, Babe with the pig?
00:10:00.560 Oh yeah, Babe the Pig. 1.00
00:10:01.440 Yeah.
00:10:01.760 So I found-
00:10:02.860 Babe the Pig is actually now the pork terrine that the bureaucrats are being served.
00:10:07.200 2023 wasn't good to him.
00:10:08.940 That's just too much art.
00:10:10.260 That's perfect.
00:10:10.880 I love it.
00:10:11.300 It doesn't have a government grant attached to it.
00:10:12.960 That's good.
00:10:13.560 I took a Babe piggy bank from the thrift store I found and I spray bombed it gold and I glued 0.99
00:10:21.120 it to some wood.
00:10:23.200 Like, I think it cost $4.
00:10:25.920 And that was the prototype.
00:10:27.040 That was the original Teddy?
00:10:28.580 Sure.
00:10:29.060 And it's right behind me here in my office.
00:10:31.280 Like, it's back there, like, next to the Millennium Falcon.
00:10:34.360 Like, it's just pretty good stuff.
00:10:36.460 It's pretty good stuff.
00:10:37.280 And so this is what we're saying.
00:10:38.400 We're not saying you can't have fun.
00:10:39.960 We're not saying you can't award people for truly doing a good job.
00:10:42.980 No participation trophies allowed.
00:10:44.980 But you have to realize that real people are paying for this, okay?
00:10:51.240 Taxpayers are strapped.
00:10:53.140 They can't afford most normal things.
00:10:55.600 And the idea of you guys handing each other awards on a red carpet while eating fancy duck
00:11:00.760 and gold trophies being handed out, the optics of this are terrible.
00:11:05.380 And they need to stop it.
00:11:06.880 Like, they don't need to reduce it.
00:11:08.400 They need to stop doing this.
00:11:11.060 One other story you flagged just before we went on air here.
00:11:14.360 What's this about a federal plastics registry?
00:11:17.340 Yeah.
00:11:17.640 This is a big thing.
00:11:18.980 I think it's going to be a big thing.
00:11:20.760 It could turn into nothing where they get spooked and they run away from it like they
00:11:24.520 did when they floated their idea of a pickup truck tax, which was a real thing.
00:11:28.360 And it was in a government report.
00:11:29.880 I will stand by that.
00:11:30.900 And then they ran away from it saying, oh, no, no, nothing to see here.
00:11:33.680 You caught my hand in the cookie jar.
00:11:35.460 So now the federal government is putting out word basically saying we want to get feedback
00:11:42.940 from people about having a plastics registry.
00:11:45.260 So what this looks and smells like is you might remember years back, groups like the OECD and
00:11:53.840 the United Nations put out an idea of EPR, Extended Producer Responsibility.
00:12:01.140 What that means in normal people talk is that a pizza place or a bulk barn, for example, would
00:12:07.480 be responsible for every bit of packaging that leaves their store forever.
00:12:12.420 However, so they're the ones that then need to track it.
00:12:16.420 And as a consumer, you would need to pay an extra fee for using a pizza box.
00:12:21.040 So this is what this sounds like.
00:12:23.220 Our alarm comes from the fact that the government is terrible at most things, like awful.
00:12:29.620 They couldn't organize a two car parade.
00:12:31.720 OK, their last registry of the long gun registry was a disaster.
00:12:36.400 It didn't make anybody safer and it ballooned to, I think, close to two billion dollars in
00:12:41.780 1990s money.
00:12:43.460 That's a ton of money wasted.
00:12:45.020 The idea that they're going to start a plastics registry for what?
00:12:49.380 Like your little olive containers?
00:12:51.500 Does that include the wrap that goes around your meat?
00:12:53.920 Like toys?
00:12:54.880 Like what are they talking about?
00:12:56.800 This just reeks of boondoggle.
00:12:59.480 And we wanted to flag it for people because they squeaked it out late in the day on December
00:13:04.520 29th, like in the middle of the big fog that people are usually in between Christmas and
00:13:09.400 New Year's.
00:13:10.020 So big flag.
00:13:11.700 Take a look at the just look at the government website.
00:13:14.840 Plastics registration.
00:13:16.480 Well, yeah, I mean, it's insane and it's going to be bureaucratic, regulatory, red tape,
00:13:22.880 burdensome, all of that.
00:13:23.740 When I first saw the plastics registry, I was concerned that like Kim Kardashian would have
00:13:28.340 to cancel her upcoming Canadian tour.
00:13:30.300 Because she no longer exists.
00:13:32.500 Yeah, she couldn't register with the government in time to do the plastics registry.
00:13:36.500 So there we go.
00:13:38.000 But it's insane.
00:13:39.120 And the serious point of all of this is that this is the kind of thing that forces companies
00:13:43.540 to say, I'm just not going to do business here.
00:13:46.240 Yeah, exactly.
00:13:47.880 I had tons of conversations with independent restaurant operators.
00:13:52.760 It was heartbreaking during the lockdown in British Columbia, where they were contacting
00:13:57.480 me because they were also cracking down in Vancouver on single-use items.
00:14:02.560 And there was this, I remember this poor guy, he's been running his restaurant for the last
00:14:06.180 five years leading up to the lockdowns.
00:14:08.660 Then the lockdowns hit.
00:14:10.420 And here he was trying desperately to stay afloat and was selling food out the door or a takeaway,
00:14:15.760 as they would call it in the UK.
00:14:16.940 And then he was nailed with, I think, his costs of his containers for food, I think they quadrupled
00:14:24.460 out from under him because of the new regulations that were being put in.
00:14:28.880 But I think it was by the city itself.
00:14:30.900 Imagine that now at a federal level.
00:14:34.780 And keep in mind, Vancouver was going full crazy.
00:14:37.380 They were going to try to start forcing people to all share a communal pool of sippy cups in
00:14:43.580 order to ban single-use coffee cups.
00:14:46.520 Like, I'm not kidding.
00:14:47.760 Everybody in Vancouver would have had to share this communal pool of shared cups.
00:14:53.120 And so that's where these ideas come from, or places like that.
00:14:57.140 And this could be nothing.
00:14:58.860 This could turn into nothing.
00:15:00.500 They could be floating it as a trial balloon and it could disappear and you'll never hear
00:15:03.880 about it again.
00:15:04.960 I would love to think that it could be used as like a return it recycling depot thing, which
00:15:10.580 most people are used to doing with their cans and bottles, but not lately.
00:15:15.200 The last 10 years especially, with especially the federal government, it gives them a chance
00:15:21.020 and the cost will quadruple and it also won't work.
00:15:24.000 So this is where we're really trying to flag this for people.
00:15:27.440 All right.
00:15:27.880 Chris Sims, the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:15:31.260 I know we'll be doing the show from Davos next week.
00:15:33.180 We'll still have you on in the Monday slot here.
00:15:35.820 Thank you so much, Chris.
00:15:37.040 All right.
00:15:37.320 Be careful over there.
00:15:38.500 Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.
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