Juno News - April 04, 2019


Feminist Trudeau kicks two women from caucus over ＂trust＂ issues


Episode Stats

Length

28 minutes

Words per Minute

175.59476

Word Count

5,083

Sentence Count

287

Misogynist Sentences

11

Hate Speech Sentences

1


Summary

In the wake of the sacking of Jody Wilson-Raybould, Jane Philpott, and Selena Cesar Chavin, a number of Liberal MPs have been accused of disloyalty to the Prime Minister. What does this mean for the rest of the party and the country? And what does it say about the direction of the country as a whole?


Transcript

00:00:00.800 Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to another edition of True North Report, broadcasting live on Facebook, after the fact on YouTube, and anywhere that this signal is received, we will take you.
00:00:12.680 Thanks very much for tuning in. My name is Andrew Lawton, a fellow with True North, and one of these people who I think I'm, as at this point, the only person left in Canada who hasn't been ejected from the Liberal caucus.
00:00:26.100 It's actually a mounting number right now. I had to check. The Prime Minister hadn't called me this morning, so I think as of this point, I haven't yet been kicked out for the grave crime of disloyalty to the body politic that Justin Trudeau is basically putting out as a standard for Jody Wilson-Raybould, and Jane Philpott, and Selena Cesar Chavin, and basically anyone else who wants to be a Liberal at this point, or ever in the subsequent years that follow,
00:00:53.340 must pledge their undying and unrelenting loyalty to Justin Trudeau.
00:00:58.940 This is where I think we've gotten to a point in Canada, and I think we passed this point a little while ago, but it bears restating now, where we need to view this as not a partisan matter anymore.
00:01:13.080 And to be fair, I don't think it ever was a partisan matter. I think, like anything, the Liberals were more likely to protect the Liberal record, and Conservatives and NDPers were more likely to jump up and down on the Liberals' throats.
00:01:25.080 But this is not a partisan matter when you talk about the serious issues that are at stake here, regarding the rule of law, regarding political interference and prosecutions, regarding the treatment of cabinet members, regarding the treatment of the Attorney General, who is supposed to be an independent agent of the law in this country.
00:01:46.680 And when you take all of these things and put them together, this is not just a left and right issue, this is something that has grave implications for all members of Parliament, and indeed for all Canadians.
00:01:58.440 Which is why I think it was such a chilling move, even if it is an unsurprising move, that Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott were summarily turfed from their party as part of the disloyalty purge that Justin Trudeau set himself up to execute, no pun intended, less than 24 hours ago.
00:02:20.300 So I'm going to be talking about this in a few different contexts here.
00:02:22.800 Number one is the implication over the fake feminism that Justin Trudeau espouses.
00:02:29.100 One of the elements I want to explore is that of what it means for the SNC-Lavalin scandal.
00:02:36.000 And I also want to tackle the media side of this.
00:02:39.380 And I don't know how long I'm going to spend on each thing, and as isn't truly the case here, I usually get like 12 minutes in and then I get sidetracked on something else and we go down that road.
00:02:48.220 And at the end of it, I realize that I forgot to mention, you know, seven of the eight points that I wanted to.
00:02:53.340 So we rammed them into the end.
00:02:55.020 But I do want to hear from you on this.
00:02:57.040 Maggie in the chat has said hello from Alberta, Andrew.
00:02:59.460 Well, hello from Ontario, Maggie.
00:03:01.540 Louise has said, I have not seen one comment favoring Trudeau or the Liberals, except, of course, praying for Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott.
00:03:09.940 Well, see, I'm actually envious of you, Louise, because I have seen a lot of shilling for the Liberals.
00:03:15.800 And ultimately, the Liberal Party has put out its members and supporters as surrogates right now to basically tell Canadians that Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott were the problem.
00:03:27.240 Not that, you know, these people were just misunderstood and there was a misunderstanding and all of that stuff, but that they, in fact, are the problem.
00:03:35.940 And hi, Corey.
00:03:36.920 Corey says hello as well.
00:03:37.880 So let me start on that point, because I think Louise brings up an element of this discussion that's important, which is the public support for the Liberals right now, or lack thereof.
00:03:49.680 And I think in one sense, there's always going to be some of that.
00:03:55.060 And we see that in the media.
00:03:56.300 There was a funny Toronto Star piece that wasn't meant to be funny by Susan Delacorte, who, by the way, I like a great deal.
00:04:02.260 I get along with Susan, even if we don't see eye to eye politically.
00:04:05.600 But she had written this piece, and I can't remember the exact headline, but to paraphrase, it was Jody Wilson-Raybould rewrites the book on how to lose your job.
00:04:14.340 So even that premise is based on the fact that Jody Wilson-Raybould is the one whose behavior we need to look at here and not Justin Trudeau's.
00:04:22.640 And there have been some other commentators, like Amanda Alvaro, who you often see on Power in Politics, who was calling this a non-scandal.
00:04:31.180 And up until this morning, was calling it on Twitter a non-scandal.
00:04:34.800 Now, let me ask you, has a non-scandal ever resulted in the resignation of two cabinet ministers, one Privy Council Clerk, and one Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister?
00:04:48.960 It's like we're doing the 12 days of Christmas.
00:04:50.540 On the fourth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me the resignations of two cabinet ministers.
00:04:55.440 This is the insane part of this, is that for something that the liberals are saying is a non-scandal and a non-issue, or as Van Jones on CNN would say, a nothing burger, we've lost four very important people,
00:05:09.560 plus Selena Cesar Chavez, who's resigned now from the Liberal caucus, which not directly tied to SNC-Lavalin, but I think all part of the same saga,
00:05:19.920 because she was very much supporting Jody Wilson-Raybould. So we've lost five people right now over something that liberals are still trying to say is no big deal.
00:05:32.660 And I did a radio interview in Mississauga earlier today, and if you were listening, some of these points will not be original,
00:05:39.180 but I do think they're important to restate for the rest of you who didn't necessarily hear that.
00:05:44.000 And the two points that I would stress are that Justin Trudeau has changed his story every single time he's spoken up about this.
00:05:54.620 You may remember, we have to go way back two months to that initial Globe and Mail story saying that Jody Wilson-Raybould was pressured,
00:06:01.120 and that was why she was demoted to Veterans Affairs. She was still in cabinet then, that was like three chapters of this thing ago.
00:06:07.440 And what happened was Justin Trudeau said, no, no, no, there was no pressure, neither the current nor former, I've almost memorized it now,
00:06:16.500 neither the current nor the former Attorney General was directed by me or anyone in my office to take a decision in this,
00:06:25.160 I think it was to take a decision in this way. There was a weird wording. So he said, no, no, no, no one was directed.
00:06:30.160 And he repeated that and repeated it and repeated it and repeated it. He repeated it to media. He repeated it to the question period askers.
00:06:40.280 He repeated it to all of these different people. And then the story changed. And I've forgotten the order of everything.
00:06:47.260 So bear with me. But my personal favorite was that, no, no, no, she would still be in cabinet if Scott Bryson hadn't resigned.
00:06:53.640 And that was the one that triggered the hashtag, hashtag because Scott Bryson resigned. And then it became, oh, no, no, no, if she had an issue,
00:07:02.120 she should have spoken to me. And then it was that, well, if she had an issue, she wouldn't be in cabinet.
00:07:09.360 And then she resigns from cabinet. And then it's, oh, well, you know, I'm still not clear on what this is.
00:07:14.280 And the story kept changing. It kept changing to such a point that even after the committee meeting,
00:07:21.040 after the justice committee meeting, during which Jody Wilson-Raybould spoke her truth, Trudeau was saying,
00:07:26.940 see, everything's fine.
00:07:29.420 Then you fast forward to the day that she releases that tape of her and Michael Wernick on the phone.
00:07:37.220 And then Justin Trudeau said, I was not aware of this conversation.
00:07:41.140 Now, I thought that that was signaling the beginning of maybe not contrition,
00:07:46.680 but I thought that was signaling the beginning of perhaps Justin Trudeau backing off the
00:07:51.980 there's nothing to see here narrative.
00:07:54.900 And I think that he had started to, but now he's gone full steam ahead,
00:07:59.320 the we've done nothing wrong route, to such an extent that he is now vilifying
00:08:03.800 Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott.
00:08:07.580 He is now overseeing and executing himself a smear campaign against these people,
00:08:13.540 most notably calling Jody Wilson-Raybould's behavior unconscionable
00:08:18.340 for daring to record a phone call that Justin Trudeau was denying existed before hearing the recording.
00:08:26.340 So I want you to listen to this in context here, not the recording.
00:08:30.040 You can check that out on our page if you haven't already heard it.
00:08:33.020 But Trudeau on one hand saying, no, no, no, this never happened.
00:08:37.000 And then when confronted with the proof of it, turns and says, well, that she never should have recorded that.
00:08:42.300 So he was at one point trying to say, ah, you know, well, you know, I don't,
00:08:47.280 I didn't really like that and I wasn't aware of that.
00:08:50.020 And now he's saying, who cares? You shouldn't have recorded it.
00:08:53.220 If it was so bad after hearing it, you'd think Trudeau would have instead pushed on that side of the discussion
00:09:02.000 where, hmm, I don't necessarily agree with the tactics of recording it.
00:09:07.500 But yes, Michael Wernick did overstep.
00:09:10.700 Yes, Michael Wernick did put what could aptly be described as pressure on you.
00:09:14.760 But he didn't do that.
00:09:16.500 Instead, he victim blames, goes down the road of saying Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott
00:09:22.580 are problems that must be dealt with.
00:09:24.920 And then we fast forward to the Liberal caucus meeting yesterday.
00:09:28.400 Trudeau informs members of the Liberal caucus that JWR and JP are out on their rear ends.
00:09:33.880 Now, I've said throughout this whole thing that I have a tremendous amount of respect
00:09:39.440 for Jody Wilson-Raybould's integrity, even if I have a great many disagreements with her on policy.
00:09:45.780 Because simply put, I think policy can exist on a separate plane than personal integrity.
00:09:51.140 I look at a guy like Nathan Collin in the NDP.
00:09:53.580 I probably disagree with him on most things.
00:09:55.860 But he is a man of integrity and he has a dedicated heart for public service.
00:10:00.060 And I can say that about Liberals and New Democrats.
00:10:04.340 And I don't know any Glock-Québec people on a personal level, so I won't include them.
00:10:08.580 But I know people in most parties that have personal integrity and character and moral fiber.
00:10:15.360 And I don't know Jody Wilson-Raybould.
00:10:16.960 I've never met her.
00:10:17.780 I've never interviewed her.
00:10:18.960 But she has integrity and she's demonstrated it throughout this.
00:10:22.520 And I can respect that without agreeing with her on things.
00:10:25.200 But she has now become a whistleblower.
00:10:29.400 And, you know, as much as the Liberals might want to say that this is about, in their minds,
00:10:34.320 someone who's being disloyal, she was blowing the whistle on conduct that no one should be approving of
00:10:41.140 or endorsing or allowing.
00:10:43.300 And that's where Trudeau should be grateful for her.
00:10:47.140 You see, when she said that she was holding the line against pressure,
00:10:50.620 the point that she was making was, I think, a very valid one,
00:10:54.400 that she felt that she was the safeguard between political interference happening
00:10:59.260 and political interference not happening.
00:11:01.500 She believed that she, as a woman of integrity,
00:11:04.260 could do a better job blocking such efforts as Attorney General.
00:11:08.460 And, indeed, she wasn't even blaming Trudeau.
00:11:10.900 Maybe she was blaming people around him.
00:11:12.840 But she pushed back against Michael Wernick, basically saying,
00:11:15.820 look, if he wants to call me, he can.
00:11:17.740 But I'm not doing it.
00:11:18.800 And I'm uncomfortable with the fact that you and I are even having this conversation right now.
00:11:24.700 And that was so tremendously important to hear that
00:11:28.520 when everyone had been saying, ah, she's, you know, she's misremembering it.
00:11:32.560 Maybe she has a different interpretation of events and all of this other stuff here.
00:11:36.360 Donnie writes on Facebook, watching from PEI.
00:11:38.600 Hello, Andrew.
00:11:39.220 Great job.
00:11:40.080 Hello, Donnie.
00:11:40.680 I actually did, I was in PEI in October and quite enjoyed it.
00:11:45.160 So, thanks very much.
00:11:47.100 Priscilla writes, do you think more MPs are going to follow and resign?
00:11:50.960 So, I, had Jody Wills and Raybould and Jane Philbot not been kicked out of caucus,
00:11:57.300 my answer would be no.
00:11:59.440 I thought that we had reached capacity on how many people were going to resign
00:12:03.380 or step down or anything like that.
00:12:04.940 Now that they have, I could see some people in the caucus becoming very uncomfortable with it.
00:12:10.560 Maybe not resigning, but certainly saying, I'm not going to run again.
00:12:16.340 I think that's something that we will potentially see a couple of more instances of here.
00:12:20.760 Because remember, both of these women were supposed to be on the Liberal Party ballot in October and now they're not.
00:12:27.180 Now, some other candidates are going to be appointed.
00:12:29.600 So, that will be something to watch.
00:12:32.100 But, you raise, or you allow me to anyway raise or segue into Priscilla another element of this discussion
00:12:40.500 that I feel is a significant one.
00:12:43.180 And that is the fact that these people,
00:12:47.380 I don't quite understand how they could have been running on the Liberal ballot anyway
00:12:52.180 with all that they know and all they've exposed about the Liberals.
00:12:55.860 Because both of them, JWR and Philpott, have said,
00:12:59.640 yeah, there is a lack of confidence they have in the PMO in its current form.
00:13:05.160 And Jane Philpott was quite brazen about that.
00:13:08.120 Trudeau, for his part, takes that as something to say,
00:13:11.360 well, you know, if you're not confident in me as a leader, then you're gone.
00:13:16.140 But what he's saying there is that no dissent is allowed, no disagreement is allowed,
00:13:20.080 and more importantly, people are supposed to put their loyalty to him above their loyalty to country.
00:13:26.860 They're supposed to put party above country, Trudeau above rule of law,
00:13:30.780 and this is something that's supposed to be commonplace,
00:13:33.320 and if not, you'll find yourself ejected from caucus the way these two women were.
00:13:38.900 And that's such a shameful way to run it.
00:13:41.580 And remember, Trudeau is everything he claims to hate.
00:13:44.960 The big criticism that the Liberals leveled against the Harper Conservatives
00:13:48.080 is that they thought that party was too top-down.
00:13:51.600 So here we have Trudeau, who's actually blocking dissent on social issues,
00:13:56.020 blocking dissent on all of these other things,
00:13:58.440 including key areas where party should not matter as much as patriotism.
00:14:04.340 And then you've also got Trudeau, who's, and a lot of Liberals that, you know, say,
00:14:08.640 oh, Trump this, Trump that.
00:14:10.080 Well, look, Trump has been cleared of collusion and interference and obstruction.
00:14:14.340 And Trudeau is actually doing what Trump has been accused of by the left.
00:14:19.860 And this was a point that Mark Stein made a few weeks ago that I think is a valid one here.
00:14:24.640 Julian writes on Facebook,
00:14:26.300 I think what's shocking is that the aberration of this event is not self-evident to any thinking Canadian.
00:14:33.420 Well, I think that the event is...
00:14:36.120 I'm going to take a step back on this one, Julian,
00:14:41.040 because I think that lots of Canadians are talking about it.
00:14:44.140 But at this point, it has nothing to do with SNC-Lavalin itself.
00:14:47.440 I mean, SNC-Lavalin is a corrupt company.
00:14:51.120 It's been found guilty of corruption in numerous courts.
00:14:54.680 It's committed numerous, numerous acts of lawlessness in Canada and abroad.
00:15:00.140 And at a certain point, there was a legitimate question of why would the Liberals want to go to bat for SNC-Lavalin?
00:15:06.780 And I raised, as did a number of other people, the deep ties between the Liberals and SNC.
00:15:12.620 But SNC is not really a relevant part of the discussion now.
00:15:16.820 This is just an internal politics right now of how the Liberal Party deals with contempt of the law with its own ranks.
00:15:26.240 And basically, it's easy to determine how, because the Liberal Party does not deal with contempt of the law within its own ranks.
00:15:33.260 And they actually deal with the ejection of people who raise these issues.
00:15:37.920 And I do genuinely believe that Canadians pay attention to this.
00:15:42.020 How much that will weigh on their decisions to vote and how to vote in October, it's early to say.
00:15:48.180 One thing we know about politics is that, unfortunately, people tend to have very short memories when it comes to these things.
00:15:56.240 I've got a message here from Marina.
00:15:59.080 The indignation in the Liberal Party of Canada trying to sell to Canadians is truly laughable.
00:16:04.840 Yep, very, very much agree.
00:16:07.520 And let's see.
00:16:11.400 This is a fun one.
00:16:12.620 Stephen says, shirt and tie, jacket too, maybe brush the teeth.
00:16:16.940 Ooh.
00:16:17.800 Dark grey wall, truly tacky video involving an important item to most Canadians.
00:16:22.040 Well, so here's the thing.
00:16:23.500 I've done the jacket, I've done the tie, and I've done none of these things.
00:16:26.360 This is like a fireside chat.
00:16:27.920 You're being invited to my inner abode.
00:16:30.320 And thankfully, I did brush my teeth about an hour and a half ago.
00:16:33.020 So I'll give you the rest.
00:16:34.460 I'll give you the wall and the tie and the jacket.
00:16:36.220 But I'm not giving you the tooth brushing thing, Stephen.
00:16:38.760 But thanks for playing anyway.
00:16:40.460 And what else do we have here?
00:16:44.080 I'm making sure I don't have parsley in my teeth now.
00:16:46.140 Thanks there.
00:16:46.780 Making me all self-conscious there.
00:16:48.060 I've already forgotten your name.
00:16:50.340 Thankfully, you're irrelevant.
00:16:51.800 Let's see.
00:16:52.460 Another person here.
00:16:53.620 David writes, what have people been commenting to me for the last couple of years?
00:16:57.980 I wish we had our own Trump.
00:16:59.980 So I try not to make all of these things about comparisons to Donald Trump.
00:17:05.320 Because I feel that's one of the most overdone comparisons that exists in political discourse now.
00:17:11.560 But I do think that one element where a comparison is valid, not even to Trump as a person.
00:17:18.480 I think that gets into territory where people like him, don't like him.
00:17:22.380 It's irrelevant to Canadian politics.
00:17:25.340 But one thing that I do find to be fascinating about it is that Trump's success was because he didn't have any of these ties that we all ultimately find so objectionable in other people.
00:17:37.040 I mean, with Trump, yes, there was this whole Russia collusion boogeyman thing that ended up being a genuine nothing burger, as we learned from the Mueller report.
00:17:46.440 But Trump didn't have the SNC-Lavalin.
00:17:49.080 Trump didn't have the ad scam.
00:17:50.980 Trump didn't have all of these things that tend to be the source of scandal when it comes to other politicians.
00:17:58.640 He was beholden to nobody.
00:18:00.140 And that was one of the things that average, ordinary middle Americans tended to like about him.
00:18:04.500 And Trudeau is more Clinton-esque in that way, whereas Trudeau's got the family money, Trudeau's got the foundation, Trudeau's got the corporate ties, Trudeau's got the family ties.
00:18:15.420 And Trudeau has all of these things that become so central to a government and scandal, which is what we have now.
00:18:21.960 And again, I go back to the point that I raised at the beginning, which is how can something simultaneously be a non-issue, yet cause so many political careers to be mounting in the corner?
00:18:33.760 When you've got Jane Philpott, you've got Jody Wilson-Raybould, you've got Michael Wernick, you've got Gerald Butts, you've got Trudeau hanging on by a thread here.
00:18:42.120 And this is not what happens when a non-story goes on for so long.
00:18:48.700 And I've got to bring up legitimately a point here that I feel has been underexplored this week.
00:18:56.680 And that is about the Justice Committee where, and this is fascinating here, the Justice Committee, which had Jody Wilson-Raybould testify, then Jerry Butts, then Michael Wernick,
00:19:07.440 refused to allow Jody Wilson-Raybould to come back, wouldn't allow it.
00:19:12.520 And they ultimately forced her hand, which is why she produced all of these documents and all of this evidence, including the phone call this week,
00:19:19.680 because they wouldn't let her testify in person again.
00:19:22.300 And I think we know why.
00:19:24.040 So Jody Wilson-Raybould does this, and the Justice Committee has tremendous amount of egg on its face here.
00:19:33.700 And here's why.
00:19:35.480 Because they were the ones, when they refused to allow Jody to come back, do you remember what they said?
00:19:40.400 Do you remember what Anthony Housefather, the chair of the committee, said?
00:19:43.040 Do you remember what Elhassi or Elhassi said?
00:19:46.640 They said, oh, no, no, we've gotten everything.
00:19:49.140 There is no more information here.
00:19:51.060 We've gotten everything.
00:19:52.400 They basically said, we've bled this stone dry.
00:19:56.080 So they thought that to allow this to continue would be to keep beating a dead horse.
00:20:02.060 Well, that horse just got up and galloped away.
00:20:05.800 And the Justice Committee members are probably hoping to gosh that no one looks at them and says, well, wait, how do we have this phone call if you said that everything was done?
00:20:17.380 Jody Wilson-Raybould said she had more, and you said, no, she didn't.
00:20:21.660 So, again, we have the liberals trying to impose their will on other people.
00:20:28.160 You've got the liberals trying to say to Jody Wilson-Raybould, no, no, no, you've got nothing to say.
00:20:33.960 You've got Justin Trudeau saying to her, you are disloyal.
00:20:37.340 You've got the one today that came up, what's her name, Melanie Jolie, who goes to, says basically that, I don't have the exact transcript,
00:20:45.400 but her comments were basically that feminism requires loyalty.
00:20:50.960 And Trudeau was speaking to the Daughters of the Vote group this morning, and he made this absolutely asinine comment.
00:20:56.660 We'll have the video up on the True North Facebook shortly, where he basically said diversity without, you can't have diversity without trust.
00:21:04.840 So, even in the midst of scandal, when he's kicked two women from caucus, and he's gotten rid of an aboriginal cabinet member,
00:21:13.240 he's still saying, no, no, no, diversity, yes, but you need trust for diversity, and there's no trust.
00:21:18.940 So, the lack of trust trumps the lack of diversity.
00:21:21.320 Like, I don't even think he knows what he's saying now.
00:21:23.920 But his point is that the lack of trust that they fostered, not him, that they fostered, is responsible for the lack of diversity.
00:21:32.620 Therefore, cabinet and caucus don't need to be as diverse, because it's their fault.
00:21:36.500 So, blame the women.
00:21:38.140 So, remember, Justin Trudeau, who was jumping up and down, chomping at the bit to go, trust all women, believe women, listen to women,
00:21:45.560 is now saying, blame the women.
00:21:47.940 Has refused to accept one iota of responsibility for anything that has happened, for anything that has unfolded in the course of this scandal.
00:21:58.640 And I find this to be tremendously hypocritical.
00:22:02.040 To go back to the question that I was tackling earlier in the stream here,
00:22:05.800 it's not a guarantee that this will resonate with voters directly.
00:22:09.900 And if I were to switch into a political advisory role here, which I'm not, I keep trying.
00:22:15.840 I keep trying to get the politicians to listen, but unfortunately, they have other ideas sometimes.
00:22:21.220 But if I'm Andrew Scheer, yeah, jumping up and down, S&C, S&C, S&C, is a significant thing to do.
00:22:27.560 But it's not going to be the silver bullet.
00:22:29.920 It's not going to be the trump card that's going to make Canadians forget about everything else.
00:22:34.640 I think carbon tax, to bring an example into perspective here, the national carbon tax went into effect this week.
00:22:41.440 Ontarians saw an increase in fuel costs, people in Saskatchewan did as well, and I think New Brunswick.
00:22:47.900 And I've seen photos of people that people have put about what their gas prices went up to and all that across the country.
00:22:55.720 But Justin Trudeau's carbon tax is something that people can quantify more than they can quantify the S&C-Lavalin, Jody Wilson-Raybould, Michael Warnick issues.
00:23:07.180 I would venture a guess to say that most Canadians had never even heard of Michael Warnick before a month ago.
00:23:13.100 And I think just as easily, people who maybe saw his name or heard his name on TV have probably forgotten who Michael Warnick is already or soon will.
00:23:21.800 And this is, again, a point that I've raised in the past in different contexts.
00:23:26.980 We always have to be aware of how average Canadians interact with news and interact with politics.
00:23:34.300 And it's not the same way that the diehards, people like me, and I venture to say people like most of you do.
00:23:41.140 So we have to be aware of that.
00:23:43.500 Andrew Scheer's got to be aware of that.
00:23:45.160 Maxine Bernier as well.
00:23:46.740 And Jagmeet Singh as well.
00:23:48.080 They've got to be aware that what they know from inside the Ottawa bubble is not necessarily the same as what Dougie the mechanic or Zoe the grad student is experiencing in Watford, Ontario or in Calgary, Alberta or on Vancouver Island in British Columbia.
00:24:08.220 I mean, that's just not the way that people are engaging on this issue.
00:24:12.480 So I do think that Justin Trudeau has a path to victory despite the magnitude of all of this.
00:24:19.440 And one of the big things is that by delegitimizing Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, by delegitimizing them, Justin Trudeau is trying to give himself immunity from anything they say in the future.
00:24:32.220 Because this is going to – I think he knows there's more, not necessarily more facts, but perhaps there is more in the way of stuff that they have to say about him.
00:24:44.080 And by delegitimizing them, by saying, oh, you know, she acts unconscionably, and no, no, no, they weren't team players, and they lacked confidence, and they fostered a breakdown of trust and all of that.
00:24:54.320 By saying all of that, Trudeau is effectively trying to – it doesn't mean he'll succeed – but he's trying to handicap any future criticisms they level towards him, of which I think there will be several.
00:25:08.680 So a lot of people have asked, and I want to read a couple of more questions here.
00:25:15.500 Yes, Tony points out, don't forget Liberal MP Judy Scrooge said put up or shut up.
00:25:20.820 Yeah, and I think one big issue that we're going to see, if you want some fun, look at Sheila Copps' Twitter, which is not normally something I would prescribe for anyone.
00:25:30.600 But it's kind of amusing, because Sheila Copps is basically the – her mentality is telling women to shut up, even called JWR a B-word.
00:25:40.560 I don't know if we're allowed to say the B-word, but there's only one B-word that really she would think applies in this case.
00:25:46.480 But, you know, it is going to be fascinating, because Jody Wilson-Raybould has not yet said what her political future will hold.
00:25:54.540 Jane Philpott has not yet said what her political future will hold.
00:25:58.100 Remember, these are both one-term MPs so far.
00:26:01.820 Now, it's entirely possible that Wilson-Raybould will lead a campaign to become chief of the Assembly of First Nations.
00:26:09.960 Or maybe she'll try to enter BC politics.
00:26:13.680 Maybe Jane Philpott will try to seek the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party.
00:26:17.340 I mean, they have options, but they are not going to be Liberal candidates come 2015 – or 2019.
00:26:24.720 If Justin Trudeau is unsuccessful in the election, which is not a guarantee, and I don't like when people say it's a guarantee,
00:26:32.620 but if he's not a successful person in this election, then what's going to happen is the knives will be out for him.
00:26:43.160 But we've also seen how much the caucus has united behind him right now in a way that makes it very difficult to think that they would roll out the red carpet
00:26:52.460 for Jody Wilson-Raybould or Jane Philpott if either one of them wanted to take the reins of the Liberal Party in a few months.
00:26:59.260 And this is all a big if.
00:27:00.400 This is if Trudeau loses and is ousted as leader, which is a big if because, quite frankly,
00:27:06.880 I haven't seen the Conservatives being really electrifying yet, or at least not as much as they need to be.
00:27:13.460 So there's going to be, I think, a significant dilemma in the way that Canada is going to go forward on this issue.
00:27:25.600 And it does need to remain alive.
00:27:29.620 It does need to remain alive.
00:27:31.240 It does need to remain a significant challenge and a significant discussion.
00:27:35.340 But Trudeau has tried to turn the page on this yet again.
00:27:38.620 So ultimately, what it is incumbent on Canadians to do and on the Conservatives to do is to not let him move on from something that is so significant.
00:27:46.640 And the voices of Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott are significant ones.
00:27:52.480 They are not Conservatives, and we shouldn't be lauding them or exalting them as Conservatives or prospective Conservatives, but we can still laud their integrity so long as we're consistent across the board with it.
00:28:04.760 That's all for me for now.
00:28:05.920 I do want to thank you very much for tuning in.
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