Juno News - Ford and Carney continue to butt heads over anti-tariff ad

00:00:00.000 a canadian armed forces veteran laid into mps at a veterans affairs committee demanding action from

00:00:11.920 the government to prevent suicide among veterans ontario premier doug ford is disputing prime

00:00:17.920 minister mark carney's claims that he wouldn't have released an anti-tariff ad that led to a

00:00:22.960 breakdown in trade talks with the u.s liberal industry minister melanie joe lee avoided answering

00:00:30.320 questions about the government's controversial multi-billion dollar deal with the automaker

00:00:35.920 stellantis hello canada it's tuesday november 4th and this is the true north daily brief i'm cosmon

00:00:43.360 gerja and i'm jeff knight we've got you covered with all the news you need to know let's discuss

00:00:49.520 the top stories of the day and the true north exclusives you won't hear anywhere else

00:00:58.640 canadian armed forces veterans are demanding access to psychedelic medicines

00:01:04.160 to treat mental health issues related to their service to the country and a majority of canadians

00:01:10.560 are behind them kelsey sharon a veteran podcaster and advocate for veterans mental health criticized

00:01:18.560 the liberal government for inaction and harmful policies during a house of commons committee

00:01:23.920 meeting last tuesday on reducing suicide among canadian armed forces veterans in her opening

00:01:30.880 testimony sharon lambasted the government and mps for failing to track suicide numbers among veterans and

00:01:38.800 armed forces members and for offering euthanasia through its medical assistance in dying program instead

00:01:45.760 she also noted the government has failed to deliver promise funding for psychedelic research and for

00:01:52.080 the barriers preventing veterans from accessing potentially life-affirming treatments such as

00:01:57.760 psychedelic therapy including psilocybin mushroom therapy you don't fix a broken system by euthanizing it

00:02:04.080 people and while you fund death and continue to expand in 2027 you deny life-saving treatments i don't know

00:02:11.280 psychedelic system therapy let's take that a proven peer-reviewed study and treatment to treat ptsd and

00:02:17.680 depression other nations across the globe not only study it but successfully use it and canada continues

00:02:22.960 to bury it in red tape i know this because i am the only person in canadian history to legally receive

00:02:30.880 medical psilocybin outside of a clinical trial before i was approved health canada offered me electroshock

00:02:36.480 therapy and i am so sorry they offered that to you don't you dare there are other solutions people

00:02:43.680 so think about that this government would rather electrocute somebody who has a traumatic brain

00:02:48.000 injuries brain into absolutely nothing instead of offering me a plant sharon credits the treatment

00:02:54.560 for saving her life after she struggled with post-traumatic stress disorder and treatment resistant

00:03:00.880 depression due to her service in afghanistan at the end of the hour sharon raised her voice as the

00:03:06.880 committee was about to cut off her time to list a host of ways mps could work to prevent more suicides

00:03:14.400 among the caf emerging treatments for veterans and first responders two years ago you said you were

00:03:19.760 going to give us funding for psychedelic assisted research you said that we had the proof you said we

00:03:23.200 had the evidence give us that true north was provided a abacus data poll which found that 51

00:03:29.680 canadians support allowing the use of natural psilocybin medicines or quote magic mushrooms under medical

00:03:37.120 supervision for therapeutic purposes to veterans first responders and others to treat depression

00:03:44.080 addiction ptsd and end-of-life anxiety jeff this is definitely a huge and often overlooked issue

00:03:52.880 how we treat our veterans after they've served so bravely for this country and a lot of them are

00:04:00.400 just left out in the cold particularly when it comes to mental health and we've all seen those stories

00:04:06.400 of veterans being told to access made instead of being given options for treatment so what are some of

00:04:15.200 the other things that sharon asked for during this committee that might help veterans who are struggling

00:04:22.400 with this sort of thing yeah cosmen during her testimony at the committee on veteran suicide

00:04:26.960 prevention kelsey sharon laid out a whole bunch of specific asks beyond just psychedelic access

00:04:32.880 she pushed hard for the government to start properly tracking suicide numbers among caf members

00:04:37.520 and veterans which is something she said they've completely failed at so far leaving everyone in

00:04:42.160 the dark on the real scale of the crisis she also demanded an immediate halt to offering medical

00:04:47.760 assistance in dying as an option for veterans dealing with ptsd or treatment resistant depression

00:04:53.680 calling it out as straight up harmful and sharing proof of cases where veterans affairs staff pushed

00:04:58.720 it on struggling vets on the funding side she called for the full delivery of promised money for

00:05:04.000 psychedelic research trials and to tear down all the bureaucratic barriers blocking vets from therapies

00:05:09.600 like psilocybin assisted treatment as her time was winding down she rattled off more urgent steps

00:05:15.360 like expanding peer support programs run by vets themselves overhauling the disability claims

00:05:20.960 process to make it faster and less traumatic and investing in community-based mental health hubs

00:05:26.560 tailored to military trauma she didn't hold back on how the liberals in action is costing lives

00:05:34.960 ontario premier doug ford says he has a quote different recollection of conversations with prime

00:05:40.160 minister mark carney prior to releasing an anti-tariff reagan ad despite carney's

00:05:45.280 claim that he advised ford to pull the campaign during a media scrum at queen's park in toronto

00:05:50.560 on monday ford told reporters he would quote never apologize to donald trump after carney did you

00:05:56.720 don't want to correct the public record here the prime minister says he had to apologize and he said

00:06:00.560 that he asked you specifically not to run the commercial well again i'm not going to go back and

00:06:05.200 forth i had a different recollection recollection of our conversation but that's you know people don't need

00:06:12.160 that they want to move forward to get a deal to protect jobs and protect the economy of of ontario

00:06:18.320 and of canada no again i'm i'm not going down that avenue uh i know i've talked to him this morning

00:06:27.520 through text message we have a great relationship we're focused on the same areas and that's protecting

00:06:33.520 canadian jobs ontario jobs the steel sector the auto sector life sciences and manufacturing ford said

00:06:39.600 quote i've never apologized to donald trump donald trump's trying to destroy our province destroy

00:06:45.760 our country steel manufacturing jobs and auto objective jobs steel jobs aluminum jobs the list

00:06:52.320 keeps going on i'll never apologize to president trump and i'm going to continue fighting for the

00:06:57.200 people of ontario and the people of canada ford noted he rejected multiple requests from the prime

00:07:02.960 minister to take the ad down following u.s backlash he also said he understands carney wants a deal with the

00:07:09.280 u.s but claimed the president would give canada a bad deal anyway what was the prime minister's tone

00:07:14.880 when he asked you a couple of times to pull the ad was he personally angry with your actions no he

00:07:18.640 wasn't he wasn't angry at all i i fully understand the position he's in he's trying to talk to the the

00:07:23.840 president but the president was going to give us a terrible deal like they gave uk a terrible deal

00:07:29.280 gave japan even a worse deal in my opinion and we weren't going to go down that rabbit hole of getting a

00:07:35.040 terrible deal i always say uh no deal is better than a bad deal and that's what president trump

00:07:40.080 wants he wants a terrible deal for canadians i take a different approach i want the amcan fortress

00:07:45.200 american canadian fortress that we can grow the the pie create more jobs just like ronald reagan did

00:07:51.840 on saturday carney told reporters in malaysia that he apologized to trump over the ad and that airing it

00:07:57.520 was quote not something he would have done board said monday he doesn't recall carney telling him not

00:08:03.760 to run the ad before it aired so cosmon what did carney say on saturday is carney lying about

00:08:09.360 disapproving the ad before it aired as the reporter suggested and what was the most recent u.s response

00:08:14.560 to all of this so yeah jeff this has been quite a back and forth not only from the u.s side to the

00:08:22.160 canadian side but between carney and doug ford but the most recent happening i just saw in the news

00:08:30.800 earlier that uh david eby the premier of alberta essentially backed out of a similar ad campaign

00:08:38.000 now i'm not sure if he was going to use ronald reagan quotes in his ad but the bc government was

00:08:44.800 set to do an ad blitz in the united states and they just backed out of that after speaking to the federal

00:08:51.040 government and this comes after the weekend where mark carney was in malaysia and he told reporters

00:09:00.240 that airing the ontario ad was quote not something he would have done and confirmed he had himself

00:09:07.760 apologized to u.s president donald trump so the question is whether he's lying about disapproving

00:09:14.400 of the ad beforehand or whether he looked on approvingly as doug ford has indicated or rather

00:09:22.320 that was his interpretation that he put out there it's difficult to say because carney's saying he warned

00:09:29.120 ford about this ad and now has taken some responsibility through that apology to donald trump

00:09:37.680 but it does show a major rift between ottawa and ontario over handling the u.s trade relationship a

00:09:45.200 rift that i don't think was really there before or at least it wasn't there and apparent in the public

00:09:52.080 eye because doug ford and mark carney have presented this amicable relationship between each other and

00:10:00.080 it's a carry-on from the relationship that ford has tried to project with former prime minister

00:10:08.000 justin trudeau as well but the ad itself has quite a convoluted history and it's only a few weeks

00:10:16.960 well maybe like a week or week and a half max but back in mid-october ontario launched this 75 million

00:10:26.880 campaign using these clips of ronald reagan and between october 21st and the 23rd trump gets word of

00:10:36.960 it uh either he sees it himself or more than likely he was told by his own aides and own officials about

00:10:44.080 this happening and he publicly denounces it but by october 23rd he cancels trade talks with canada

00:10:53.280 specifically blaming this ad now ford agreed to pause the ads a day after the cancellation of trade talks

00:11:03.520 but airs them one last time during the world series which prompts trump to retaliate

00:11:11.120 shortly thereafter with a 10 percent tariff on canadian goods which is an immediate economic cost that

00:11:16.800 canadians will have to suffer when those go into effect now ford is still calling it the most successful

00:11:23.920 ad in north american history he has his own ministers and officials praising the success or so-called success

00:11:31.920 of this ad but if we're measuring success by attention sure that might be true it's obviously a global story

00:11:41.920 but the results can't be called successful under any measure we've seen an escalation of the trade war

00:11:52.240 canadians are going to suffer because of this so it is really a matter of

00:11:59.280 both ford and carney kind of projecting diametrically opposed visions and trying to

00:12:08.880 pose themselves as the leaders in this trade war now we have to remember that ontario is a huge trading

00:12:15.920 partner and a huge part of canada's trade relationship with the united states so they are sort of butting

00:12:23.200 heads and stepping into each other's territory when it comes to trade relations with the united states

00:12:30.160 and doug ford here is staking his own territory and making quite a significant move albeit a negative one

00:12:39.040 for canadians at large when it comes to the overall dialogue between canada and the united states because

00:12:47.360 right now we only have doug ford ford to blame for trade talks falling through now that wasn't ottawa

00:12:54.800 who did that it wasn't ottawa's trade negotiators it was the premier of ontario

00:13:03.520 liberal industry minister melanie jolie dodged tough questions from conservative mps about missing job

00:13:10.560 guarantees in the government's multi-billion dollar deal with stelantis the exchange came as joe lee

00:13:17.920 confirmed ottawa has begun a formal dispute resolution process against the automaker after it relocated jeep

00:13:25.920 compass production from brampton ontario to illinois resulting in the loss of approximately 3 000 canadian

00:13:34.240 jobs joe lee said quote the government will take the next step under the contracts to recover canadian

00:13:41.280 taxpayers money this means that will start the 30-day period of the formal dispute resolution process

00:13:49.520 in order to bring back production at the stelantis brampton facility joe lee told mps the government's

00:13:57.440 move was in response to what it considers a violation of quote legally binding commitments

00:14:04.240 made by stelantis in exchange for up to 15 billion dollars in federal and provincial subsidies

00:14:11.680 joe lee said quote these actions are not symbolic they are the direct consequence of the violation of

00:14:18.400 clear commitments she said in french when a commitment toward the canadian government is not

00:14:24.720 respected on behalf of canadian workers there are consequences conservative mp raquel dancho pressed jolie

00:14:33.280 repeatedly to identify where in the stelantis agreements there was a job guarantee for brampton

00:14:40.000 workers you should be able to tell us if there is a jobs guarantee for the 3 000 jobs i think you're

00:14:45.280 falling into the trap of trying to find a problem where there's none well the problem is that because

00:14:51.760 the 3 000 people were laid off the government was trying committed thousands millions and billions

00:14:56.560 in fact of dollars and we're trying to understand i don't know whether you want this to be a monologue

00:15:00.800 are you this you want to me to appear because the question i'm asking you is very clear i don't need

00:15:05.600 to be here jeff what was the minister's response to conservative mp raquel dancho's questions about there

00:15:13.200 being no job guarantees in this contract well cosmon jolie basically sidestepped dancho's grilling by

00:15:19.360 insisting the job guarantees were baked into the three linked contracts but she wouldn't cough up

00:15:24.480 specifics like numbers or exact locations blaming commercial sensitivity when dancho pointed to a

00:15:31.040 public contract that only mentioned guarantees for the next star plant and not brampton jolie shot back

00:15:37.600 saying quote i must dispute what you just said this is not a fact and doubled down there's always job

00:15:44.720 there's always job numbers guarantees that's exactly why the government of canada and also the

00:15:50.480 government of ontario have decided to support the company later when conservative mp michael kuklilman

00:15:56.960 asked why the agreements detailed dei quotas like 50 percent women non-binary on boards but skimped on

00:16:04.240 brampton jobs she pivoted with are you against women being on boards overall she kept circling back to the

00:16:10.880 dispute process kicking off to clawback funds and forced production back but never nailed down

00:16:15.920 those elusive guarantees leaving the conservatives fuming about transparency

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Juno News - November 04, 2025

Ford and Carney continue to butt heads over anti-tariff ad

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