Ford gushes over Carney as pipeline plans crumble
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In this episode of the True North Show, hosts Chris Sims, Isaac, and Noah talk about the NHL playoffs, Doug Ford's comments about the Prime Minister, and the first ministers meeting. Plus, a special Christmas edition of the show.
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Yeah, I did not actually catch the game, Isaac. I love your t-shirt, but this is going to
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sound ridiculously self-centered and really superstitious. I haven't watched a second
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of the Oilers' playoffs. I've been abstaining. At first, I was super mad because of how silly
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and political they were with Mark Carney. Like, don't let somebody suit up for you,
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no matter what team they're on during the election, right? Just don't do that. But then
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I'm like, oh, wait, they're doing well. And I want them to do well. And so out of superstition,
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I'm like not glancing at a TV screen if the Oilers are on. I know that sounds silly, but
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knock wood, like they're doing good, right? Like they won in overtime last night, I've been told.
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Yeah, an amazing goal in overtime. And we all have our superstitions in sports, Chris,
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especially hockey, like last night, because we're playing in June, by the way. So it's super hot in
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my room and I have all these things on under my jersey and I'm so hot, but I'm like, I can't take
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my jersey off middle of the game. Like we're winning. So I was kind of screwed there. Had
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to, had to keep it on and dive the heat. Cause like I said, it's in June, it's like 30 degrees
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outside and we're watching hockey, which Hey, can't complain. Cause most teams are already
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out golfing, but yeah, it sounds like a fun night, but I'm not a hockey man, but I tuned
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in around the second period and saw the score was three, two. I'm like, oh yeah, just another
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loss for another Canadian team. But it looks like you guys pulled out. So best of luck to
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the Oilers, but, uh, all, all the Calgary people in my life, they're, uh, they're definitely
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mad. I know Liam at the tax rest Federation. He's just pulling his hair out. Cause he's
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a, he's a flames fan. And, uh, I guess there's no, uh, you know, Alberta sympathy, uh, for
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the fellow team, even though, uh, you know, you guys are neighbors pretty much.
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What's your game, Noah. Do you like watching any sports ball entertainment?
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Basketball is my game. So, you know, the Raptors, they're not doing great right now. Uh, gotta
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wait a few more years for them to, you know, even get competitive, but we got the championship
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in 2019. So I'm still living off of that, you know, excitement, uh, happiness.
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Yeah. That, uh, basket they scored to get into the final. We'll still, uh, I mean, that was
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historic. I almost felt like we were in a simulation. That was so cool. Okay. This is
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actually not a simulation. We have a show, so let's get it going.
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Hey, my name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta director for the Canadian taxpayers Federation
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here on true north. I'm joined now by my friends, Isaac and Noah. We're going to talk about news
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and politics for the next few minutes on our big show. Um, I wanted to start with,
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this is one of the weirdest clips I've seen come out of politics in a while, and especially coming
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from a sitting premier. And I don't even want to chat about it first. Let's all watch it together.
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And then we can respond to it just to tee it up. This is coming out of the first ministers meeting.
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That is typically the name of the meeting that is given to when the premiers gather with the prime
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minister. And this is Ontario premier Doug Ford chatting about the prime minister to his face.
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Let's watch. Let me tell you this, I'm going to be very blunt here. This has been the best meeting
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we've had in 10 years, simple, best meeting I've had in seven years. And there was no expectations.
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The prime minister was going to come out and say, you get that project, you get that project. It was
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a great discussion. Now we were all talking. Now it's time to put it into action. All of us are
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responsible. But I thought it was an incredible meeting, great communication, great collaboration.
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And we all walked out of that room united. And that's the most important thing. Now the prime
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minister is going to go to work, get the legislation passed, and we'll divvy it up. I described him
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today as Santa Claus. He's coming. And his sled was full of all sorts of stuff. Now he's taken off back
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to the North Pole. He's going to sort it out. And then he's going to call us. The only thing short of Santa Claus
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is my big belly. I got to loan it to him. So who wants to talk about that first? Like it started
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out as the usual, like lip service, blah, blah, blah. And then it took the weirdest turn, man.
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Who wants to go first on this? Yeah, I'll say a few things. I just, and obviously there were cameras
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and all the premiers there, but I just, when he said that exact quote about Santa Claus, I would love to
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see the shot of Smith and Mo maybe, and just, just see if they're like in any way surprised at that
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language. I mean, look, I covered this first ministers meeting. I was watching it as the final
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press conference was happening. And there was undoubtedly a consensus among the premiers,
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even from Smith and Mo, because Smith was obviously the number one premier I was watching to see if she'd
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go against the pack, so to speak, and say, hey, it's not as good as we were pretending that it is.
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But of course, then we saw the very next day, BC premier David Eby essentially shattered the
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consensus because they're all like, after the first ministers conference, they're like, oh yeah,
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it's going to be wonderful. We're all going to do our energy projects. We're all so happy.
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Carney's supporting us, blah, blah, blah. And then Eby comes out and says, ah, wait a second. You guys
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aren't building a pipeline in BC. I don't know why you thought you were. And for those who don't know,
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premier David Eby wasn't actually at the conference. He was the lone premier who wasn't there.
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Because I guess he had some sort of trip already planned to Japan, I think it were, or somewhere
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in Asia. So he sent his deputy premier, Nikki Sharma there. But obviously, she didn't portray his
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thoughts accurately, because I'm guessing she didn't tell Smith, actually, you're not building a
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pipeline through BC because Smith went as far as to outlining the optimal economic scenario for doing
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that. She said she was talking about the pathways project and how it could fund itself through
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essentially increasing their oil exports. So she was just saying this will be a great economic
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scenario. We get this project going. We'll get an extra million barrels a day, I think she said,
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through the northwestern coast of BC. She said of BC. So obviously, she thought they were getting a
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pipeline through BC. And then the very next day, as I said, Eby came out and said, not so fast,
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Premier Smith. So the consensus, while it might have been rare, was very short lived.
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Yeah, you might have some things to say about the Santa Claus comments.
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Yeah, you're just for people to know you're in Ontario, correct?
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Yes, yes, I'm living through the, you know, fortination as we are in this part of the country.
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But yeah, I just thought it was very sycophantic. It looked like Doug Ford was a lifelong liberal,
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was a Carney-ite, you know, Rosemary Barton's conscience. You know, it really seemed like he was
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going all in for the liberals. And it looks like we know how he voted, despite what he might say in
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front of a camera and a microphone. But yeah, Doug Ford was really excited, even though Carney
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really hasn't delivered anything tangible. You know, he has made promises to bring down
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interprovincial trade barriers. But, you know, really, the key drivers of bringing down these
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trade barriers are the provinces, are the premiers. We've seen Scott Moe in Saskatchewan, for example,
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pass legislation to bring down trade barriers. And, you know, it's going to require Doug Ford to pass
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legislation in the OLA. It's going to require Premier Smith and David Eby to really take action on this.
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It's going to require Quebec to back down on some of their instincts, you know, on this issue and to
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really open up their market to other provinces. So it's going to take more than words at a little
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meeting that, you know, is being done in which Carney wants to, you know, concoct a consensus among the
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premiers, even if, you know, that sort of consensus is going to be really hard to achieve, even possibly
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impossible. So, you know, as they say, actions speak louder than words. But it looks like Ford was
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smitten by the game that Carney was spitting at the conference.
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Speaker 1 Smith with what he was spitting. That was pretty good. All right. A few things going on
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here. I've been in the game for a while. Number one, when you, when you change the guard, even if
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the party is the same, if the dude at the head of it, isn't the same person, there's this kind of
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sense of renewal. Okay. It's like, you know, when you've had to be wearing like dress shoes all day,
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your feet are killing you. Just taking them off makes a huge difference. It's like, oh,
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I'm a new person. So this is kind of, I think what's happened here. So former prime minister,
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Justin Trudeau is no longer there showing off his socks and talking nonsense and, you know,
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putting up barriers and quoting Stefan Guibo and all these other things. Like, keep in mind some of the
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stuff that Trudeau said. Okay. Like he's on the record saying that the only people who were noticing
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the cost of the carbon tax were people who lived in mansions with indoor swimming pools and three
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big personal cars. Trudeau was on the record after jetting down to Brazil on taxpayers money,
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saying that paying his carbon tax was more important than paying the rent and feeding your kids.
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You get rid of that guy. Any change is going to feel like, oh my gosh,
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you're all singing Kumbaya. It's a miracle. Yeah, not so much. So it was frankly silly
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to hear Ontario premier Doug Ford talking like that. He's not new to this. He should know better.
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He should have kept his cards closer to his chest and not lavish so much praise because
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guess what just happened? US president Donald Trump made good on his threat and has doubled the tariffs
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on things like aluminum and steel. Folks might remember during the election campaign that the
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steel workers, the pipe workers around Hamilton were so opposed to Carney's industrial carbon tax,
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which is coming that they endorsed Pierre Polyev and Ford said nothing, nothing. He did not say one word
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against Carney or his industrial carbon tax plans. So pitter patter. I don't know why he wasn't bringing
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this stuff up nowhere. Isaac, I don't know if you guys have been seeing a lot of the news here, but
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a lot of those steel manufacturers, especially in Ontario, they're just bracing for the worst.
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Yeah. And I really sympathize for the, you know, those manufacturers who are going to have to,
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you know, have to deal with the market in which their products are going to cost a lot more
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to sell to the biggest market. And, you know, if Mark Carney really was, you know, doing such a
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fantastic job as Doug Ford, you know, had portrayed Mark Carney to have been doing, I think, you know,
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Mark Carney would have in his trip to Washington told, Hey, Mr. Trump, Hey, let's ease off on raising
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tariffs, you know, for all the great media coverage that Carney got on his trip to Washington. It didn't
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really accomplish, didn't really accomplish anything. He didn't lower any tariffs. In fact, you know, as we've
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seen, Trump has raised tariffs on aluminum and steel. And, you know, what really, what relief had
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Canadian workers really been granted, you know, it's, we're really going to have to brace for the
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worst in our manufacturing industry, you know, at the end of the day, even though tariffs is not a
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good idea for the United States, since they are in such a much larger economy, they are able to sort of
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hollow out our manufacturing sector. And I'm not an advocate for reciprocal terrorists. But what I am
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saying is that, you know, the Carney government, the foreign affairs ministry need to do a better job
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negotiating with the Trump State Department and ensuring that the United States are granted
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some of the concessions that they want in order to bring these tariffs down. You know, he said
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his first priority when forming government were after this election would be to negotiate a new free
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trade deal. We haven't seen any updates on that in the news. I don't know, maybe if my newsfeed has been
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broken, but no progress has been made on that front. So definitely looking forward to more progress
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before we start calling Mr. Carney Santa Claus. Yeah. Oh, God, that was gross. So Isaac, we were
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chatting, we were all chatting before we started rolling. And Doug Ford in Ontario, like his debt
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is $443 billion. They're in a huge deficit right now. I checked our debt clock on the taxpayer website.
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It's going up like $1,000 a second. So what is this? They just elect somebody in a blue tie
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and it's fine. He gets to quote people like Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan or pretend
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without having the fiscal responsibility to go along with it. So this is where we're getting frustrated as
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the taxpayer. Like, we're not seeing the actual budget getting balanced. We're not seeing some
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prudence here. We're just seeing a lot of gushing. I don't know if you're noticing the same thing.
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Yeah. Gushing more debt onto the, you know, the already extremely large debt. The latest budget
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that they tabled was $14.7 billion in deficit. And this is, you know, for a bunch of subsidy
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programs and whatnot. But what taxpayers really do not need right now are big subsidies. The big
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corporations, what they need is tax relief. What they need is regulatory relief. That's the way that
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you're going to combat this trade, the trade war that the Trump administration wants to launch. You
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have to make Canada's economy competitive in spite of the trade restrictions. That means
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lowering regulations. That means cutting taxes for businesses and cutting taxes for individuals
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so that we are able to spur the economic activity. But instead of taking that approach, Doug Ford,
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you know, takes the subsidized and big government approach, the big government approach under a
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supposedly conservative government. You know, I don't really think that the Kathleen Wynne government,
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for example, would be taking a much different approach if they had one in 2018 and in subsequent
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years. So I really, really disappointed. I know a lot of fellow conservatives in Ontario
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are disappointed with the approach that the PCs have been taking. I mean, look at the Ontario Liberals.
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I mean, for all the, you know, the weaknesses and, you know, what the wrong that the Ontario Liberals
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have done when they're in government. But leader Bonnie Crombie at least campaigned on tax cuts.
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She at least campaigned on working with municipalities to cut development charges and
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other ways to reduce the burden on taxpayers. We saw no such promises from Doug Ford, you know,
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and just look at how we campaigned in 2018. It's really disappointing.
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Yeah, I'll just say a few things as an outsider to Ontario and what my opinion was when I was looking
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at the election. Obviously, just looking at the options Ontario had, I do think Doug Ford was the best
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choice, but he's in no way, shape or form, in my opinion, a conservative, certainly not a big C
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conservative. And this is coming from an Albertan who I would say most Canadians would probably agree
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that being conservatives. Daniel Smith is by far the best conservative premier in the country,
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although I am biased in saying that, of course, as an Albertan. But yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
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Ontario didn't really have great options. So yeah, to think Ford is, I mean, he's clearly not a
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conservative fiscally. And I can see how that would be very frustrating for Ontarians. Just quickly,
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though, when I was watching the first ministers meeting, Ford stood out in the sense that he,
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more than any other premier and even more than the prime minister, continued in his anti-Trump rhetoric,
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I think more so than anyone else. He was really against the United States. And I've seen him
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catch a lot of backlash online for that, specifically when he threatened to cut off
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their electricity. Some were saying that's literally an act of war. If you think of that in any other
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context, cutting off someone's electricity, a country's electricity is certainly an act of war.
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So, I mean, Ford has taken a real hard line against Trump and the tariffs, which that's another
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approach where a lot of people are going to find disagreement on. But I mean, just, yeah,
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fiscally, I don't see how any Ontarians could support Ford, especially if you're coming from
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a conservative mindset. I mean, Chris, what do you think as a taxpayer advocate?
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Yeah, it's just to dovetail it back into Alberta here. Smith is doing a great job standing up to
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Ottawa. She's doing a very good job, I think, dealing with US President Donald Trump, because,
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of course, we got a lower tariff punishment on our energy exports. I've never understood the whole
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concept of let's scream and shout and call people names and then try to negotiate with them, like,
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especially if they're an ally. Like, that's a really dumb way to try to win friends and influence
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people. Like, maybe don't do that. So she didn't take that route. She was called a trader for it in
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the Eastern media, but she took it anyway. So that was really good. She's doing other elements here that
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are also really good, like standing up for firearms owners, standing up for people's own personal
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freedoms here in Alberta. However, we are running a deficit right now. Our deficit is about $5 billion.
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So that's not okay. We also have a provincial industrial carbon tax here still in Alberta.
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That's also not okay. If we look next door to Premier Scott Moe, they technically have balanced
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the budget. It's a really tiny little thin surplus. You can almost see through it, but it's a balanced
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budget as of right now. And he got rid of all carbon taxes in his province and is very vocal
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about that. So just a little reminder, we, if we want to have Fortress Alberta here, then we have to
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make sure that we're locked and loaded. I don't know if people, if you guys have watched T2, Terminator 2.
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So Sarah Connor, super awesome character, right? I've heard people compare Daniel Smith to that.
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Imagine if it was go time and she goes to that New Mexico, you know, bug out location and she opens up the
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cash and there's nothing there. There's no weapons. She hasn't had any prep. So we can't be running a
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loose ship here fiscally in Alberta. We've got to cut spending at the provincial government level.
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If we don't balance the budget here, then we're not the example and the beacon for the rest of the
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country. So just a little Amber light of caution. Speaking of budgets, did we want to move on to this
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motion federally in the House of Commons? Absolutely. Let's do it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. So a lot was made out of this. I'll even put my glasses on to read it. So as we know, of course,
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Andrew Scheer is currently the leader of the opposition in the House of Commons,
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while Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev does a by-election out here in Alberta,
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running to get a seat back. But what was interesting is that the House actually passed a conservative
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motion demanding a spring budget from Kearney, spring meaning right now, the minority liberals
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did suffer that defeat in the House of Commons. And it was because I've been told the whip wasn't
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doing a good head count. So what has to happen when you're in the House of Commons, okay,
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you usually have to make sure you have enough people in there to get a motion defeated or a motion passed.
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So you have to do your own, but that's why they call it a whip. You have to whip them into shape,
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make sure that they're there on time. It's an old term from the British Parliament.
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You have to make sure there's enough, you know, backsides and seats. And if you've got a minority,
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you have to make sure that you've done enough negotiating as House leader with other parties
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to make sure that you've got enough people on your side, either from the block or the NDP,
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whatever has to happen in that situation. So what happened is the Conservatives have this motion
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on the floor of the House and it passed. And the motion basically called for a budget right now.
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Few things there. Number one, yes, they could. So the finance department, the permanent government,
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the bureaucrats in the department, they've got all these numbers. Like they've got constant
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supercomputers that are turning around. They could have this thing printed up quickly,
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especially if they kept out all the like political language and just stuck to dollars and cents.
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Two, this doesn't actually force them to do it. Motions coming from the opposition in this manner,
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if they're really symbolic, and in this case, they're embarrassing, but it doesn't force them
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to do it. But I still found it interesting that it passed. Guys, what did you guys think about this?
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Yeah, you know, as you mentioned, this motion has no force of law. So unfortunately,
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it doesn't force the government to table a budget in the spring. However, you know, as you said,
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you know, it is an important symbolic gesture, you know, in that it shows that parliament's will is
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for the government to table this, you know, this budget, and they're just not going to comply.
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They said they're going to table a budget in the fall. That's not good enough. You know,
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Canadians, you know, at least twice a year, you know, that's the sort of convention that we've
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developed in the fall, in the spring, we learn about the nation's finances. And, you know, we're being
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stripped of the opportunity to learn about the nation's finance. What is the government spending
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look like? What is our, what is our projected deficit? You know, what are the projected deficits
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in the years going forward? This is really important information for Canadians to know,
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you know, we got our last update in the fall, you know, I think it's about, it's about time that we
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know what the government has been getting up to in recent years, especially since when Trudeau was in
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in his last days in government, he spent billions of dollars, authorized billions of dollars in
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programs and in spending. So it is pertinent that we understand what the government is doing,
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how the nation's finances are looking and, you know, for the government to really put forward a plan
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on how they plan on managing the nation's finances going forward, what this, you know,
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Carney government's sort of split between the operational budget and the capital budget will look like,
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even though, you know, if you just smush it all together and you get the total deficit,
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that's, you know, all you really need to do. But at the end of the day, it's very important that we
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receive a budget annually and, you know, receive those mini budgets alongside to, you know, really
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fill up the knowledge gap. And it's quite disappointing that they're not going to be delivering on this.
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Isaac? Yeah, I got a bunch to add. First of all, I think the bill failed by two votes. And when I
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last checked, I believe that four liberals were absent the vote. So I don't know what they were
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doing. Okay, five. I don't know what those five liberal MPs were doing. But obviously, they lost
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their party to vote by not being there. Because if they were there and voted liberal, which you would
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assume they would, the motion would have passed. Next thing. Yeah, obviously, this wasn't a
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confidence motion, like a budget would be and like, I think the upcoming, they're voting on the throne
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speech, which will be a confidence motion from what I've seen. So that could, if it didn't pass,
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it would, of course, throw us into a general election. And just getting into that, the throne
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speech vote, from what I've seen, the NDP leader, Don Davies, the interim leader, he's been saying they
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might vote against it. So just as a symbolic gesture, that may be suggestive that he might
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have more of a spine than Jagmeet Singh, because he's actually going to vote against the liberals.
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Although, of course, the bloc would be enough to pass the bill if the liberals can work with them.
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And just speaking to conservative voters quickly, this might be good news, because it shows how close
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it is. The government lost their first vote, even though it's not a binding motion. It is symbolic in
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that sense. And then just quickly touching on one last thing, Chris, we talked about this in the
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pre-show. Just Franco Terrizano of the taxpayers federation, he's been citing some good examples
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of times when we got a budget. World War II, the Great Depression. I mean, other examples,
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this is ridiculous. How are we getting budgets during World War II, the Great Depression? These are
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historic times of uncertainty. And now we're not getting a budget for an inexplicable reason,
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obviously, when compared to these monumental events. It's like, you know, IDK, right? Who cares?
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It's the clown car. I will remind people, remember when things were getting really gnarly in 2020,
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and we were slowly being crushed and locked down? Remember when the federal government tried saying,
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yeah, no budget, and no plans on ever tabling a budget, maybe ever again. We're just going to keep on
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spending. That's fine, right? Just get past this motion so we can just spend with absolutely no
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oversight. They tried doing that in the middle of even before we knew what this thing was.
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And everybody was still a little bit freaked out. This is early 2020. Yeah. So do not let governments
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tell you, oh, it's an emergency. Therefore, hand me your wallet. Because your rights and your ability to
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hold government to account will evaporate, like gone. And so this is why, frankly, it's important
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to insist and tap the desk and say, no, you guys have the math. Show us. Because it's our money.
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The government isn't generating its own wealth and figuring out where to throw money. No, these are
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our tax dollars. And when they blow their budget, and they throw another deficit on top of our federal
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debt, we're the ones that have to pay the interest charges. I have to stress this. What we're paying
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in interest on the debt is more than what we spend on the Department of National Defense.
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Those guys and gals that we want to see, you know, protecting our borders and stopping terrorism,
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and maybe flying fighter jets and stuff. Yeah, that, that line item, we're spending more than that
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on interest on the debt. Like this is a serious crisis. Some of the numbers of Franco was pulling
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out was really important. And this is just one. Carney, okay, the former central banker, governor
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of the Bank of Canada, governor of the Bank of England, probably knows some math. He's going to add
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225 billion dollars onto our debt over the next four years. Ridiculous.
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Worse than what Trudeau was planning to do. So the central banker is now worse with money than the
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drama teacher. Like, what gives? This guy has a PhD from Oxford in economics. Like, pull your suit
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socks up there, man. All right. So that was important, I think, at least symbolically,
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that they said we expect a budget. And I encourage everybody, including folks, frankly, who support the
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NDP who are watching the show. Good on you. Stay on Don Davies. Tell him, yeah, we want to see stuff
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like this. Keep standing up for people. Stand up for your constituents. That's the only way we hold
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government to account, folks. All right. This one, I saw this. There's no taxpayer element here,
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but I wanted to throw it to you guys. There's something going up. I actually don't know. There's
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an airline. I can't remember which one it was. They had some sort of like celebration. The pride
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celebration was this during work or what is going on here? Who wants to take this? Yeah,
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I'll get into this. So Air Canada on X essentially was celebrating their first ever LGBTQ flight. And I
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can't, I don't know what all the letters are. And it's funny in saying that one of the pilots in the
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video, because there was a video of this, he actually even, he had a quote saying like, I might mess up the
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letters because he, he's like, because there's so many getting added and he, this was in the video.
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He was probably around my age, I'm guessing. Anyways. Yeah. Air Canada was celebrating their
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first ever LGBTQ flight. And it seems that they were the only ones celebrating that because within a
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few hours, five or six, maybe they had to turn off the comments on their ex post because at the,
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at the time there was like four times the amount of comments as the word likes, like 800 comments and
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200 likes, something like that. And I'll tell you, I went through every comment, Chris, there were,
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there were none positive. It was all just blasting the airline saying, look, this is the, the important
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factor for flying on an airplane is safety. We don't care who's flying the plane and, and pushing
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identity politics is not going to help us get there more safely. So that, that was crazy. Everyone is
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essentially calling on them to abandon identity politics. And at True North, we've done reporting on
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DEI in airlines in the past, uh, air Canada being one of them. They, so they mandated employee training
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on microaggressions, allyship and unconscious bias. They also have a, um, dedicated DEI sourcing manager
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and they require recruitment from designated groups. So you can imagine what those are, but of course,
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they're not the only airline in Canada with these identity politics. WestJet recently implemented,
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uh, genderless uniforms and they also had fully, uh, female crew flights. So kind of similar to what
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Air Canada is doing here. I mean, the list goes on, but what this post showed and what Canadians'
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reaction to it showed is that people really don't want identity politics in, in airlines. What they
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want is qualified individuals where merit reigns supreme over, uh, yeah, DEI.
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Yeah, that's exactly it. Like we don't, we don't care. You're crashing out there, Noah. Are you all
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right? Yeah, no, I was kind of sleeping. I'm like, oh my God, here's another slew of DEI initiatives.
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And you know, that, that, that the Air Canada DEI office is pushing out like it, like nobody cares
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at this point. Yeah. And I think, you know, we've really seen this in the decline of, uh, DEI in
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corporate America, uh, especially after Trump got elected, you really, really seen, uh, corporations,
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uh, closing down their DEI offices, uh, firing their chief diversity officers and, uh, whatnot.
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And, you know, it seems like this, uh, you know, transition is happening in Canada, but it's
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happening a little slower. Uh, if you do recall, Air Canada used to be a, uh, used to be owned by the
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government of Canada. Uh, it is not anymore. It's publicly traded. And, uh, if you have Air Canada
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stock, I mean, you're probably like not a happy camper right now. You know, it's not exactly doing, uh,
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well, uh, and feel for good reason. Air Canada service is, uh, not as great as a lot of people
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remember it being, uh, before. So maybe they should, uh, you know, focus on, uh, delivering
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quality service to their clients instead of, uh, focusing on, you know, having a bunch of, uh,
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2SLGBTQI people, uh, flying the plane. Honestly, I don't care, uh, what, who you're, you know, going home
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with, uh, uh, you know, if you're the pilot, uh, or if you're the person, you know, um, who
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is the copilot, I really don't care. Uh, all I care is that you're competent at your job, uh, that
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the plane is flown well, uh, and that I got my, uh, cup of water, my, uh, 200 milliliter cup of water,
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you know, halfway through the flight. Like that's, that's really all I care about. You know, I, I just
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want that done well. Uh, and you know, the fact that they're, you know, sort of celebrating this in the
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video at the sort of celebrating this on, uh, like on the flight, you know, to telling, uh,
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all the client, uh, all the people on the plane, like, yeah, you know, this is a, a full LG. Like,
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I don't care. Like, I just want to like read or listen to my audio book or read my physical book
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or, or whatever. I don't want to, you know, deal with that. I don't want to like celebrate that.
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And I'm not, I think, I feel like a lot of people feel the same way. They're just being, uh, having
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this pushed down their throats. Um, just a little personal anecdote. Uh, a couple of days ago,
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one of my, uh, one of the people close to me said, uh, that, you know, they had to go to work
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and they were expected to put on like a pride shirt and, uh, or a pride pin. Uh, and my, and, uh,
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this person said, well, you know, I kind of don't want to do that. Like, you know, it doesn't
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accord with my values. And, uh, they basically threatened, uh, you know, uh, this person with,
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uh, being fired saying, you know, this is not, you know, you have to, you have to do this, uh,
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you have to align with our corporate values. And, you know, usually I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm afraid,
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you know, that company in specific is not moving away from, uh, the excessive, uh, emphasis on DEI.
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But, uh, I think more and more Canadians as they speak out on this, as air Canada sees the negative
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replies on the, on this, uh, social media posts, uh, they're going to start moving away from this.
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You just need to, uh, keep, you know, saying what you, uh, think, uh, and don't let the woke mob
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sort of try to cancel you for, uh, you know, having a perfectly reasonable views.
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Yeah. Just touching on something quick, Noah, on your personal anecdote there, I do think that
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the change starts with the people in that sense, that, that being, I was, I was curious when
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watching the video because assuming the passengers were all randomized and this just was some random
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flight, like you could have booked it and you're little, do you know, you're on the first LGBTQ,
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all LGBTQ flight. I was wondering, I was like, man, I wonder if anyone got up and walked off the
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plane and said, I'm not participating in this nonsense. I'm just, I'm not participating. Of course,
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you, you, you understand the backlash. I mean, you paid for the flight. You're probably not getting
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refunded. Yeah. Air Canada is going to tell you, uh, that's not how it works and you're going to
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have to find a new flight. So obviously there's a lot of backlash that standing up for your,
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your morals isn't, isn't as easy as it seems compared to writing a comment on X. But yeah,
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I mean, I do think that it, it might have to get to that level for this to be completely abolished,
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but we'll see. We're definitely trending towards that. My things have changed. When I was a little
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kid, we had to fly me and my family from BC out to Nova Scotia for a family event, which, you know,
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we probably needed a second mortgage on the house to be able to do that. Um, they had smoking on the
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plane then, and there were stairs on the plane and it was just a completely night and day situation.
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Now I find people are flying a lot more often and they're speaking up a lot more often. So,
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Hey, if folks have a problem with it, take it up with the company. I will say, I'm so glad
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the state doesn't own this thing. So this isn't a, a government circus that we have to deal with.
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Um, speaking of family, um, thank you for letting me say that word. I just slipped it out there for a
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second. Sorry about that. True north. Yeah. You have to censor yourself going forward. Yeah. Um,
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my point is, is that, okay, this is in Ontario, correct me if I'm wrong. No. Okay. So something,
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okay. In Ontario, they were making, this is a true north exclusive. As far as I understand,
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um, in Ontario, they were handing out this stuff in the school talking about what family means,
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who wants to take this one away. I was, I was quite surprised by the language that were in,
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that was in some of the documents here. How old were the kids and where did this happen?
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Yeah. So, uh, at the water, Waterloo region, uh, district school board, uh, staff were basically
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being briefed. Uh, this is a staff at a high school. They're being briefed on, uh, uh, what is, uh,
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whiteness. It's basically, uh, sensitivity training, uh, for these, uh, teachers, DEI,
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sensitive, uh, sensitivity training. And, uh, they were being taught what whiteness is and how to not,
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uh, offend, uh, their students of minority, uh, descend, you know, black, they're black students or,
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or, or, or whoever. And, uh, in this unpacking whiteness seminar, uh, one, the, the, uh,
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what, one of, one of the materials they quoted from, uh, someone named Laura May Lindo. Now,
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Laura May Lindo used to be an MPP in the Ontario legislature for the NDP from 2018 to 2023, before
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she resigned to take up a spot at the University of Waterloo. But, uh, in a material from Laura May
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Lindo, they basically state that, quote, uh, biases are the socialized teachings of, uh, white culture.
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And one of these, uh, sort of biases is the assumption that people have families and, uh,
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instead of, you know, assuming that people have families and saying the word family, uh,
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you should, you shouldn't assume that. In fact, saying the word family is identified as harmful,
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uh, by our racialized students and quote, uh, you know, apparently, uh, family implies values,
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uh, positions of male authority and hierarchy, a nuclear family structure, not the same for
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everyone. Uh, you know, so apparently saying family is offensive, uh, to, uh, black people.
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And, you know, this is something I take personal offense to because, you know, I, I'm half Jamaican,
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half Guyanese, you know, uh, I don't view myself as an, uh, being oppressed in Canada. Canada
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has afforded me and my family, uh, my friends, uh, very great opportunities. And I wouldn't want to
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have been, uh, born in any other country. And I wouldn't say that, you know, I, I have a family,
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I have a mom and my dad and, uh, three other siblings, uh, you know, it's not like the concept
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of family is foreign to myself and, uh, my friends and my family. Uh, so for, uh, these, you know,
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DEI activists, these radical critical race theorists to basically assert that, uh, you know,
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black people are sort of unfamiliar or even offended by the concept of family is, you know,
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quite offensive. It's quite racist. It's sort of, you know, holding, you know, black people to like
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a very low, uh, sort of infantile, not even it's below infantile standard. It's, it's absolutely,
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it's actually kind of cruel, uh, you know, to really assume that about black people and to,
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you know, think that we're so sensitive, you know, to assume that, you know, someone who maybe doesn't
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have, you know, both parents in the household is going to be offended by the world word family. It's
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utterly, uh, ridiculous. And, and, you know, there's more and more slides, uh, to this sort
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of effect, but, uh, the idea that whiteness could sort of be identified by a certain positive
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characteristics and to assume that black people are not supposed to exhibit these positive
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characteristics is quite frankly racist. I don't know. How do you guys, uh, view this?
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Yeah. Yeah. I always thought family was like the most important thing in my life, but little did I
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know that just because I'm white, uh, I thought it was just cause how I rate, how I was raised,
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how, how I came up the values that my family instilled in me, but no, it's just cause I'm
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white. So that's my bad. Uh, but I mean, this is ridiculous. This is exactly the opposite of what
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we should be doing as a society. It's insane. Look, there, there are clear data on this, having a
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close family, having supports you can lean on, like this is going to reduce crime, going to reduce drug
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use, going to reduce all the bad things you want to take away in society through a strong family.
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And, and also, uh, in a more holistic perspective, we are straying away from family. Uh, we look at
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the birth rates in Canada, one of the lowest in the world. I mean, this is, as I said, the exact
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opposite of what we should be doing. We should be emphasizing the importance of family talk,
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talking about how, how to, how to build a family, not how to, to stray away from a family. I mean,
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I, I can't believe this is what, what, what, what we've become as a society. This is again,
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the exact opposite of what reality should be. And in my opinion, I mean, did you agree, Chris?
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Yeah, a few things here. I'm going to keep my taxpayers federation hat on for the first part,
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and then I'll just give you my opinion on the second part. Uh, first off, um, I just want to
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let people know in Ontario that you guys should be pushing for the ability to recall a school board.
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So this doesn't work all the time. And I know it's not a panacea, but here in Alberta, we have recall
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legislation at the provincial level. So at our legislature. So if an MLA is totally screwing
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up his or her job, we can fire them in between elections. They don't get to just sit there until
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the next election. Okay. The same thing exists at the municipal level. Now, again, really high
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threshold. Premier Daniel Smith just lowered the threshold, which is good, right? But the mechanism
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is there so that if something totally outrageous is happening, you can be like, yeah, no, you're out
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of here. We also have it at the school board level. Okay. And the reason why this matters is because
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a our kids are going to these government institutions. They're our kids. Okay. Not the government's kids.
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And our taxes are paying for this. So taxes are paying for that school. Taxes are paying for the
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school board. Taxes are taken by force from the families in that area. So if the families in that
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area, whatever construction that happens to be, have a problem with this, they should have the ability
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to fire people who are in charge of making decisions like this. So then ultimately it does come back to
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the family. It does come back to the individual. This leads me to my second point within the taxpayer
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federation frame. One of the things that fans of big government and more government and more control
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and more socialism and more taxes. One of the things those folks like to do is to attack institutions
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that make people independent and strong that are apart from government. They want mommy government
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and daddy government, them to be in charge of you. They want to make the decisions. They want to take
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your money. They want to decide where your kid goes to school, what your kid learns at school,
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what kind of car you can drive, name it. And one of the reasons why they do this and how they do this
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is they go after things like family, which of course, anyone with a shred of common sense knows
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can be any construction of people who are related to each other and or love each other and support each
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other financially, emotionally, spiritually, what have you within a form of household. Like people refer
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to their close, tight knit friends as family. In some cases, it can be your grandma raising you.
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Frankly, it's none of the government's business what form of family you have. So that's the taxpayer
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federation element here of if you want lower taxes, less waste and accountable government. There are
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fights here where you have to really keep an eye on this and ask yourself questions like, why is this
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person doing this? To what end? What is their ultimate goal? It's not just to make people angry.
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It's to actually have a purpose here. And so I would encourage people to keep that in mind that you
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guys should have control, more control over your school boards in Ontario. I would push for that.
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Push for school choice so that the funding follows the kid and you guys can get charter schools going on
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there in Ontario. Okay. In a bigger way and push for the ability to recall people at school boards. Now
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is just kind of a little story that I have. And it's from a Gen X perspective. I grew up in the 80s.
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I would encourage people who really truly value diversity. Okay. Go back and watch TV shows from the
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80s. Seriously. Watch Different Strokes. Watch Family Ties. Watch Full House. Watch Star Trek The
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Next Generation. You will see everyone represented there all the time, including combinations of
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family. Watch Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Watch all of these shows. Thank you. The Cosby Show. Okay. Watch these
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shows because there's sometimes I'll have some of my kids friends over and I'll have something like this
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playing and they'll, they'll be, they're shocked at the diversity and the love and understanding
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and the, you know, responsibility and we're all going to help each other out. All of those narratives
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which were there and people weren't freaking out about them back then. I don't know why it seems to be,
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again, getting back to government and it's interesting she's a former provincial parliament, uh,
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parliamentarian, why it is now that some of these folks are just constantly trying to stoke division.
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My spidey sense tells me because they want the ability to have more tax and control over you
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guys. Am I just drinking the Kool-Aid here guys? No, I think you're absolutely right. I think,
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you know, look during the 1960s, uh, there was extremely, extremely valid reasons for black people
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to rise up and, you know, state the injustices that were happening, but there was a sort of
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establishment that was created in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and it sort of lived on and sort of passed
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its usefulness and they sort of pivoted, uh, to a new fight. It isn't a fight for, uh, legal equality.
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It isn't a fight against racism. It's a fight for anti-racism. It's a fight for, uh, legal preferences,
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uh, for minorities. It's really, uh, turned into sort of a perversive, uh, you know, a group of people who,
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you know, really don't care about, uh, you know, anti-discrimination. They really care about,
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you know, getting one sort of racial group ahead of another and sort of, uh, you know,
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looking at some of the problems of these racial groups and pawning off responsibility from these
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individuals and from these families and towards the government. At the end of the day, uh, having
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a free society where the individual, uh, is, you know, emphasized also does mean that the individual
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has to bear that responsibility. And instead of, uh, that sort of vision for society,
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they want one where the government has a lot more control over the lives of certain individuals
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so that they can get sort of certain, uh, racial outcomes. And this results in sort of looking at,
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uh, data, uh, for family formation on different races and seeing that black people have a problem
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when it comes to, uh, uh, multi-parent, uh, households. Uh, a lot of black people are raised
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in single parent households. And instead of trying to communicate some sort of strategies,
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uh, that black people can, uh, utilize to, uh, have more sustainable family structures to
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have both parents in the household, uh, which does lead to many outcomes. It leads to
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a lower rate of incarceration for children. Uh, it leads to higher, a better economic outcomes for
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children. It leads to children to actually be, uh, you know, uh, scoring higher in intelligence metrics.
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Uh, there's all these, uh, benefits to having both parents in the household. And instead of
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trying to, you know, communicate those strategies, they instead say, well, actually, uh, you know,
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having, uh, you know, one parent in the household is actually, you know, a good thing, you know,
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or actually, you know, we should, uh, you know, condemn people who suggest that having, uh,
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two parents in the household is a good thing. It's absolutely, uh, ridiculous. Uh, it is
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counterproductive. Uh, I, I think it is, uh, insidious, uh, in some respect, and it's something that
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I'm always going to fight against, then, uh, I think a lot of people are always going to fight
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against, uh, uh, you know, these absolutely, uh, radical, uh, anti-racist activists that still
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have a lot of power in Canadian society, even though, uh, their power looks to be diminishing.
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Yeah. Uh, I guess I can just taking it to the government, uh, perspective. I, I said family
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was the most important thing to me, which may have been slightly incorrect because I think
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what even eclipses that is freedom. And what I've seen in the other over the last few years here is
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there really seems to be two groups of people, those who value freedom and those who want the
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government to control their lives, which to me is just shocking. How could, and maybe it's not as
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conscious as that. It's just some sort of subconscious thing where, where it comes down to work or whatever,
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but I just don't understand how, how you could reach that conclusion that really you want the
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government to have more control of your lives. You don't want, you don't want freedom over,
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over everything. Like it just, I I've never been able to wrap my head around that and maybe some
00:47:00.660
people can, but certainly I can't. And, and yeah, I, everything I do in my life is to gain more
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freedom, not, not less. So I re I really don't understand that, that ideology.
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I'll finish off with this exact point and you're both right. And I sincerely appreciate your input on
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this because it's just one of those things that really gets to people and it can kind of erode
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your confidence in things like family and things like having your own independence and your own
00:47:25.780
freedom. And I just want to encourage people a bit of a blue pill here. Um, just make sure that you
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defend your freedom. Okay. And if you don't have it, demand it. And in the case of Ontario, if you guys
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don't like what school boards are doing and what they're teaching your kid insist, call up premier Doug Ford
00:47:43.860
and say, we need to change how we function as a government here with schools. We want recall
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legislation at the school board level in this case. So parents, people who have kids, adults,
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responsible adults and guardians can make choices for their own kid and have the freedom to do that.
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To your point exactly, Isaac, I will point this out. Some folks, I don't know, for whatever reason,
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do prefer more control. They prefer kind of group control. All of that understood.
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They're free. I'm not kidding to join a collective. Like seriously, they, there are, there are little
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towns across Canada where they kind of work in co-op. It's more of a collective, you know, village
00:48:30.340
council decides on things. Okay. Like what they're going to grow for a crop this year. Like you can choose
00:48:36.740
to go live your life that way. If they want to rule that only e-bikes are allowed downtown and
00:48:41.940
they're going to ban gas, they, they can do stuff like that. Go figure it out. Go live that way.
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If you choose to stop inflicting it on other people. Why would you inflict your choices on other people
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in this manner? And so I, again, because it winds up taking away your freedom and your money,
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getting it back quickly to taxpayers to sign off here. About half of our incomes. Now folks are
00:49:07.220
going to various levels of government, including school boards like this one in Ontario. Okay.
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About half do this project. Imagine yourself. Okay. If it's safe to do so, you're not driving,
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close your eyes, picture what lands in your bank account. If you're on salary every two weeks.
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Okay. People would say a paycheck, but most of it's electronic. Now every two weeks, double it,
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what could you do with that money? Could you afford more nutritious food? Could you afford to maybe
00:49:36.900
send your kid to a private school? Could you get them those lessons they've always wanted? Could you
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save up for a house? Double that money that lands into your account every two weeks.
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That's how much the government is taking from you in taxes. Okay. And doing stuff like this with it.
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So this is why we fight here at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Guys, I sincerely appreciate your
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contributions today to the show. It's been a really good show. Folks, thank you so much for
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listening and for watching. If you have any comments, please leave them underneath this video.
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Chris, I was just featuring someone calling Ford and saying, Hey Ford, I saw what you said about
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Carney being Santa Claus. Maybe you could be Santa Claus too. Recall legislation for municipalities,
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recall legislation for the province, recall legislation for the school boards. Everyone
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gets recall legislation. Yeah, I think instead of governing during the November and December months,
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he should just do a cross a province tour of him as Santa Claus, go to all the significant
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shopping malls in the in the province and just, you know, have to have the kids come up on his lap.
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He must. I think he'd be really good at that. I don't know about the whole pre wearing thing,
0.85
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but Santa Claus. Yeah, I definitely see that in his career prospects. He can deliver freedom to the
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good boys and girls. Oh, well, no, it actually will say each box, each president will say $10,000
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of debt. Here you go, child. Here, you want another? Here, here, I'll give you another $10,000. There,
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there you go. It's $28,000, but yeah. All right, that was really good, you guys.