Juno News - January 19, 2024


Free speech is on the Davos agenda – because the elites want to curb it


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Freedom of expression is under threat in many countries, including Canada, Australia, Ireland, and the United States. What does that mean for artists like Willi iam and Niall Rogers, who are represented at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland?

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00:00:00.000 Joining you from the streets of Davos, day four of the World Economic Forum's annual meeting.
00:00:04.840 Ideas being discussed among the 2,800 delegates here, top of their field in politics, media, the world of academia,
00:00:12.380 and much of the corporate world as well represented here.
00:00:15.880 One of the themes that's come up in the past, not as much as things like net zero, has been freedom of expression.
00:00:22.380 Now we know that freedom of expression is under threat.
00:00:25.160 We have in a Canadian context numerous government policies that are threatening it.
00:00:28.840 We have in Ireland a so-called hate speech law that will send a massive chill on free speech.
00:00:34.780 And in Australia, you have much of the same, policing speech online and offline.
00:00:40.120 The reason I bring this up is because a couple of years ago, you may recall Julie Inman-Grant,
00:00:44.400 who's Australia's e-safety commissioner, saying this.
00:00:47.960 We are finding ourselves in a place where we have increasing polarization everywhere.
00:00:54.560 And everything feels binary when it doesn't need to be.
00:00:57.460 So I think we're going to have to think about a recalibration of a whole range of human rights that are playing out online.
00:01:03.400 You know, from freedom of speech to the freedom to, you know, to be free from online violence.
00:01:09.480 Or the right of data protection to the right to child dignity.
00:01:14.300 She called for a recalibration of freedom of speech.
00:01:17.920 Now, you may wonder what that means.
00:01:19.720 I was very curious myself.
00:01:21.460 In fact, that question has been lingering with me for the last year and a half.
00:01:25.100 So when I stumbled upon Julie Inman-Grant this morning, still in that position in Australia,
00:01:30.000 although she is American, as you'll know in a second, I thought I would get some clarity.
00:01:34.860 Julie, Andrew Lawton with True North in Canada.
00:01:37.000 I'm just wondering, when you talked about recalibrating free speech a couple of years ago, what were you referring to?
00:01:42.000 I am talking about balancing a range of rights that everyone has a right to online.
00:01:49.060 Where do you think freedom of expression online should be limited?
00:01:53.460 When it undermines other people's freedom of expression and causes significant harm.
00:01:59.560 But that's all I have to say.
00:02:00.500 But that's a subjective term.
00:02:01.740 Who's to adjudicate what harm is?
00:02:03.340 Is it governments?
00:02:03.820 Well, actually, it is the government drew the line on what the threshold was.
00:02:07.880 And an investigation is taken when somebody reports to a platform.
00:02:14.220 When it doesn't conform to their terms of service, they come to us to adjudicate.
00:02:19.760 Do you believe that the First Amendment has too high a bar for the online era?
00:02:23.320 The First Amendment does not apply in Australia.
00:02:26.640 I know, but you're an American.
00:02:27.700 So I thought in general, as a standard for freedom of expression, do you think that's too high of one?
00:02:31.620 No, I don't apply that.
00:02:33.960 I apply the laws of the Australian government that the parliamentarians provided and the thresholds they provided.
00:02:40.020 And it's measured against those thresholds.
00:02:41.860 Thank you.
00:02:42.400 So as you hear there, the way that she approaches this is about how to regulate and how to justify those regulations.
00:02:49.460 Now, there are a number of people in the artistic space represented at Davos this year.
00:02:53.500 One is the legendary singer and songwriter and producer Niall Rogers.
00:02:58.700 Also, Will.i.am, of whom I happen to be a great fan.
00:03:01.820 And he was able to stop and share a few moments.
00:03:04.260 And I asked him as an artist if he feels freedom of expression is under threat.
00:03:08.160 Will, I'm just wondering as an artist what you think of the state of freedom of expression right now?
00:03:12.320 You still have it.
00:03:14.440 Do you feel it's under threat?
00:03:16.860 No.
00:03:17.440 When has it?
00:03:18.020 Why would it be?
00:03:19.240 Well, countries don't always have the same commitment to free speech.
00:03:21.600 If you feel happy, you've answered my question.
00:03:23.080 I just wanted to get your thoughts on it as an artist.
00:03:32.500 I think I'm happy that I live in the country that I'm from.
00:03:37.020 I think everybody should have the right to express themselves without hurting other folks.
00:03:45.100 You still have to be mindful we all live on the same planet.
00:03:48.660 Should they be censored if they do hurt other folks, their feelings?
00:03:54.540 No, no, no.
00:03:56.340 You want to inspire.
00:04:00.780 But if I hurt your feelings, should I be censored?
00:04:04.820 Depends if you were...
00:04:07.180 It depends if you had malicious...
00:04:08.660 If your intent was to hurt me on purpose, then you need to up your love, and you shouldn't...
00:04:18.140 Why do you want to exist in a world where you're purposely trying to hurt somebody's feelings?
00:04:21.820 Now, if things are taken out of context, or I...
00:04:25.720 No, I don't believe in censorship.
00:04:28.260 What I do believe in is trying your hardest to inspire and uplift people.
00:04:33.440 Obviously, I disagree with his answer there, but he was speaking to his own feelings.
00:04:38.580 He does not feel there is a threat.
00:04:40.940 Now, why that's so important is because people in the World Economic Forum bubble
00:04:44.520 don't actually view there as being a problem here.
00:04:47.960 And their focus, not Will.i.am, but certainly the Julie Inman grants,
00:04:51.880 on ways they can curb and not protect freedom of expression.
00:04:55.560 When they say it's on the radar, they mean that for all the wrong reasons.
00:04:59.280 For True North from Davos, I'm Andrew Lutton.
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