Futile Apologies
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Summary
Coming up: Conservative capitulation, Trudeau's unrequited love, and Maxime Bernier's arrest in Manitoba. Also, the CBC plays nice with the Prime Minister of Pakistan in an interview in which he also called for censorship in Canada.
Transcript
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Coming up, conservative capitulation, Trudeau's unrequited G7 love, and Maxime Bernier on
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Hello and welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show, Tuesday, June 15th, 2021.
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Great to have you aboard the program here, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show on True
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Going to speak later on in the program with People's Party leader Maxime Bernier about
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his arrest by the RCMP in Manitoba for embarking on what he called the Mad Max Speaking Tour.
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That's going to be coming up later on in the show.
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Also going to be talking about the CBC playing nice with the Prime Minister of Pakistan in
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an interview in which that Prime Minister also called for censorship in Canada, which
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ended up being a claim he made without any pushback from CBC.
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But I want to talk first and foremost about what seems to be an increasing trend of conservative
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There's a philosophical problem in this that I'll talk about momentarily, but also a very
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It's been nine days since that horrific attack on a London, Ontario Muslim family took place,
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an attack that has galvanized the country, and rightfully so, because events of this nature
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are thankfully rare, which makes them absolutely shocking to our sensibilities and our understanding
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But the narrative that unfolded from that was that this is not rare, that this is something
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quite common in Canada, something unsurprising that should be, you know, no shock to anyone
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Because underlying a lot of the political discourse, which, as I said on the show last week, I resent
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has infiltrated what should be a solemn recognition of this family and a remembrance of them.
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It's now become politicized, which is quite awful.
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And what's noteworthy about this is that a lot of the activists who are trying to insert
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and inject a political agenda into this discussion are doing so because they fundamentally think
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But even more unfortunately than that is how many people seem to be accepting that premise
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And this is what brings us around to the apology tour I mentioned at the beginning of the show.
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A couple of Conservative members of Parliament have stood out in this way.
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One in particular is Michelle Rempel-Garner, who released a statement in which she had taken
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basically atonement as what she needed to seek regarding the 2015 Conservative campaign
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and the barbaric cultural practices tip line, the proposed niqab ban.
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In certain contexts, she said she was sorry to the Muslim community for not fighting against
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And that was, I think, a fine statement if it's what she believes and what she stands
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Michelle Rempel-Garner's statement was shared by Amira El-Gawabi, formerly of the National
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Council for Canadian Muslims, an organization which has never been a friend or an ally to
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And Amira El-Gawabi had shared this and said, look at the climate Conservatives have created.
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To which Michelle Rempel-Garner replied and says she humbles herself and asks forgiveness
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and seeks to make things right, saying, I have privilege.
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I am cis, straight, white, but I am also a woman who works in a system dominated by white
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There were some people that thought this was a parody when it was first uttered.
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Some people that thought this was some sort of a joke.
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To be fair, any politician who speaks in an authentic way about the things they believe,
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This is not something you would expect to hear from a Conservative.
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And you may think, all right, well, maybe if this Conservative approach to these issues
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from a Conservative MP is going to move the party in the direction that all of these people
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that are maybe not friendly to Conservatives now, but could at some point vote for, maybe
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Well, just look at the response from the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.
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Slim majority of Conservatives will support any legislation on online hate.
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And if you do that, it'll make the next attack less likely.
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So these words don't actually win the support from any of the advocates and activists they're
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All they do is anger the base and show weakness to a lot of the critics of the right.
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I've not seen anyone respond to Michelle Rempelgarner's tweet in a way that suggests,
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you know what, I was not going to vote Conservative before.
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Now that she's done that, she's acknowledged her privilege as a white, straight, cis woman.
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So if, and again, this is where I have to speak kind of out of both sides of my mouth
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here, because if it's authentic and it's who she is and it's what she believes, power
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If it's done because people think this is the way you make friends and win support, it's
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Another example is Tim Uppel, long time, a former Conservative member of Parliament who
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He put out a statement taking aim at a lot of those very same things that Michelle Rempelgarner
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spoke about and says he regrets not being a stronger voice and taking aim at the divisiveness
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Now, remember, a lot of these MPs that may be speaking out about this era of Canadian
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politics now owe their entire political careers to that era, to that party, and to Stephen Harper.
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So for them to start disavowing that as a divisive chapter in Canadian politics, well, they weren't
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just a part of it, it created their political career.
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They were inextricably linked with that party in that time.
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And it is awfully convenient that a lot of them only seem to be raising alarms about it
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now that they think the media and the political climate has moved in a different direction.
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And there's a lot of opportunism when you see what seem on the surface as though they are
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very feigned or contrived apologies that capture a political climate that exists now, rather
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Now, I don't know if these are MPs that are going rogue.
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I don't know if Aaron O'Toole's office or the Conservative campaign is behind this in a
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If so, it is a strategy that is not going to yield anything in the way of dividends.
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As I said earlier, it angers the base and it lets the Liberals and the NDP and the media
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Because all of a sudden, they can point to the record anyway and point to your recantment
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of it and say, well, you know what, if these people are going to pursue these policies and
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then apologize for them, they can't be trusted.
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Which brings us to the philosophical objection to this.
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If you are speaking from your heart, an apology is completely fine.
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If you are not, it is not going to do anything at all.
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And what Conservatives would do well to realize here is that a lot of the climate that they
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think is there, that they must play the rules of the game by and all of that stuff, is not
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And the reason I say that is because there's this growing disconnect between ordinary citizens
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What actual people think and what we're being told actual people think.
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And I mean, just a few weeks ago, I spoke about transgender athletes in sports.
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If you were to poll, you know, 100 people, 95% of them would think this is insane.
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Why should, you know, some transgender athlete be able to out-compete just by virtue of their
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But if you were to talk to the political elites, the elites at a lot of the sporting associations,
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they would call you a bigot for raising that very question.
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If you were to say to any Canadian, whether they were born here, whether they immigrated
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here, whether they're a visible minority or not, and you were to ask them, is Canada
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And a lot of those policies, like the barbaric cultural practices tip line, may not have been
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But a lot of these things were being driven by concerns from immigrant communities who didn't
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like people importing the very things that they fled in their home countries.
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That was where a lot of the support for this came from.
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And you can talk about this with Jason Kenney, who was a longtime immigration minister in Canada,
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A lot of the support they were getting from people were actually from immigrants themselves
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who didn't like or were concerned that Canada would become the type of place that they left
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And a group of activists, again, are trying to cancel Canada Day in Victoria, BC.
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They've succeeded in scrapping the official ceremony because apparently it would not be
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conducive to reconciliation to celebrate Canada.
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And the question to anyone I would ask, if they want to cancel Canada Day, is what is
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If you do not think this country is worth celebrating, why are you here?
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And that's, this is not, by the way, a dog whistle, as they say.
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If you think Canada is such a terrible place with a terrible history, point on a map to your
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Point on a map to your model country and go there.
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And if you are someone who wants to move to Canada from another part of the world, as
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Canada is so often referred to as one of the most welcoming places in the world, the question
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stands, what is it that draws you to Canada if you are uncomfortable with the Canadian
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I mean, if we are a country that has a prime minister that stands up at every waking moment
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and says diversity is our strength, what more are you going to get?
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And this is a legitimate question that I've never heard the left actually provide a reasonable
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But we are now living in an era where to stand up and say Canada is not a racist country is
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If you look at the way people have been maligned to say that, the way last summer claiming Canada
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is a systemically racist country became the magic words that a politician had to say, liberal
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conservative doesn't matter, to get the media off their backs.
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And so many conservative politicians went down that road and accepted that premise and now
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are finding themselves in the same vein still being criticized.
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Aaron O'Toole, for example, did everything the media wanted him to do.
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He came out, he spoke at the vigil for that Muslim family who was slain by a killer, a
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killer, by the way, who has now been charged with a terrorism-related charge, which is
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And this is as police go forward with their investigation.
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Just look in the Toronto Star focusing on, well, he says he cares about all these things
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now, but remember, he voted against M103 a few years back.
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So if you're doing it just to appease the mob, don't even bother because it's not going
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This summer, the conservatives have, alongside every party in parliament, agreed to host
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Now, I don't know what this summit is going to look like.
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If it's about just diagnosing things that are happening in society the same way they're
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doing for the anti-Semitism summit, have at it.
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But I fear the response is going to be very predictable because the government has already
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determined it wants to legislate against what it calls online hate.
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And when you say to grieving citizens in the Muslim community, in the Canadian community
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at large, when you say to a grieving family, we're going after online hate, it sounds nice.
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It sounds like the kind of thing that's going to make a difference.
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Most people don't realize, well, hang on, hate speech is already illegal in Canada.
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So what other speech are you going to go after?
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And invariably, discussions about banning online hate speech will result in a lower threshold
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for hate speech than the one that exists now, which means you're talking about online censorship.
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And this brings us to an interview that took place on CBC's Rosemary Barton Live, an interview
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in which she spoke with the Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan.
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He expressed his condolences and very quickly pivoted to what he believes is a growing problem
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He didn't offer a solution per se, but Rosie Barton offered him one.
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It appears it was one person radicalized in some way on his own who did this.
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What is it that government should be doing, for instance, to shut down online hate toward Muslims?
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I think there should be a very strict action against it, this, because you see these hate
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websites, which, again, as I said, would divide humanity by creating hatred, ignorant about
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And you target them and this hate material, and especially with the growing social media
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and social media is it completely, you know, the world is just coming to grips with it because
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And unfortunately, I mean, while there's so many benefits of social media, it's changing
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But this one particular bit, when there are these hate websites, which create hatred amongst
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human beings, there should be an international action against them.
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And what would that look like to you, Prime Minister?
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What would be the mechanism for doing that, if you will?
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Whenever the international community, and by that I mean the world community, the world
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leaders, whenever they decide upon taking action, this will be dealt with.
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The problem is, at the moment, there is not enough motivation.
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Some international leaders or leaders in the Western countries actually don't understand
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They, too, think that the Muslims are these weird people who have these weird customs, and
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So it just needs to be brought together, and there has to be understanding, and this can be
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Do you plan to reach out to Justin Trudeau to have a conversation about this?
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I've had previous conversations with Justin Trudeau as well, and I have to say we mostly
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By the way, you should watch the entire interview.
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It's about 10, 11 minutes long, and not a single challenging question is asked.
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It is the leader of a country that has a dismal human rights record, no religious freedom,
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no free speech, getting a completely free ride on Canada's state media, propagandising
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to Canadians, and in this case, selling Canadians on internet censorship.
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The premise for the question that government should clamp down an online speech came from
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And at first, I thought, oh, maybe she's doing this interview trick where you get someone
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to say something, and then you hammer them on it.
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And no, she just moved on and talked about, so how's your relationship with Justin Trudeau,
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And then that was the other dimension of this, that the Prime Minister of Pakistan says,
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yeah, he and Trudeau have spoken about censoring online hate speech, and they agree on pretty
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At this point, it's just, you know, a he said, but I would be very interested in hearing Justin
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If those two have been all buddy-buddy when talking about censorship, we've got bigger
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So at a time when Canada should be digging in its heels and supporting free speech and
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saying what I said last week, which is that free speech did not claim the lives of this
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family in London, we now have the Pakistani Prime Minister shilling for censorship on Canadian
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state media without having to field any criticism of it.
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And later on in the interview, Rosie Barton gave, I guess, what might be more of a challenging
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question, although she didn't push him on it, which is to say, all right, you're speaking
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out about how Muslims are treated in the Western world, what about Uyghur Muslims in China?
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And he said, ah, you know, China's a friend, anything we want to bring up with them, we'll
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And not a single reference to Pakistan's human rights record, to the lack of religious
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freedom in Pakistan, not a single reference until this little like 10 second blurb at the
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end of the interview after she's cut Prime Minister Khan loose.
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Then she says, oh, by the way, I should say, you know, Pakistan's not great about this.
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Why didn't you bring it up when you were talking to him?
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So there was something quite shameful about CBC's handling of this.
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But beyond that, that this appetite seems to have a place in Canada right now, this appetite
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of censorship, that there seems to be some receptive current to that sweeping through
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And the Liberals have been promising this online hate restriction bill for months now.
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They've actually, it's been going back since prior to the 2019 election.
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And I just know that like when they introduced the order in council banning various models of
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firearms, they are waiting or were waiting for a moment at which that bill would have the
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And if the Liberals introduce this bill now, especially while the accused in this attack
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is facing a terrorism charge, what's going to happen is it's going to make it very difficult
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for anyone to oppose it because it's going to look like they are being insensitive to the
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human toll of online hate, even if free speech, again, is not the thing that we can blame
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And Justin Trudeau, even without knowing, Justin Trudeau, without knowing anything about
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it, this is before the terror charges were laid by his own admission, not knowing what
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was happening, blamed online hate for these murders.
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We just had a terrible tragedy a couple of nights ago where a Muslim family, three generations
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And they were viciously and inexplicably run down deliberately.
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And we don't yet know all the causes or reasons, but there is probably an element of online incitation
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to violence or access to things that we have to think about.
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And I think that becomes all of our responsibility to work together to make sure that we are cracking
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down on hatred, that we are not allowing people who represent a small fringe of the society
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to take actions that weaken the fabric and the coming together of our entire communities.
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So Justin Trudeau, quite brazenly, without the facts, can say, oh yeah, this is an online
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The liberals are already laying the groundwork to politicize this tragedy and, yes, this
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act of evil for their own partisan political gain.
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Except this isn't just a gain of the liberals at the expense of the conservatives, this
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is a gain of liberals in the government at the expense of Canadians' freedoms, which
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is why this is such a frustrating and, yes, infuriating at times dialogue.
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Because whenever someone talks about banning online hate speech, they are curiously avoiding
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defining hate speech and curiously avoiding the fact that hate speech is already illegal in
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Any restrictions below that only narrow the confines and narrow the boundaries of discourse.
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We've got the endorsement of the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
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Well, what more do we need to justify this policy?
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I would say that is probably the greatest justification for why this bill should be defeated.
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Just before we take a break here, a few words on the G7 summit.
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Trudeau was wearing the mask and then he was doing the elbow bumps.
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And then, as you see, they're all just standing shoulder to shoulder, cheek to cheek, looking
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up at the flyover and partying it up and sitting down and having a meal.
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The pandemic is over in Cornwall for the G7, just as it's over in Brussels, where Trudeau
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But this story in Bloomberg, you've probably read it by now, but I have to share it with
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She's not running again, which means as far as the politicians who make up the leaders
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of the G7, Justin Trudeau is the longest serving.
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So he's been there the longest period of time compared to all of his counterparts.
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And the Bloomberg article says he is positioning himself as the new elder statesman, but no
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one sees him owning the role in the way the German chancellor did.
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And they say even if Joe Biden's new to the presidency, he's got lots of experience.
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Macron has aggressively positioned himself as Angela Merkel's heir in Europe.
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The Italian prime minister, Mario Draghi, has years of running the European Central Bank,
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and he tends to make an impact and make a big noise whenever he speaks up.
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And then it says in the company of such heavyweights, the leader of the smallest G7 economy cuts
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a marginal figure in spite of efforts to be the new dean as he became known among the Canadian
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So it sounds like the Canadians have been trying to like pump up this idea of Justin Trudeau
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being the leader of the G7, but no one else is paying attention and no one else cares.
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And if you want more evidence of that, take a look at this.
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Canadian officials say the 49-year-old prime minister genuinely believes he can help the
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UK and the European Union find a solution to their trade dispute.
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No one has taken him up on the offer, it seems, even as Brexit tensions boil over on the last
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So Canada is desperately trying to carve out a niche, and it's this middle power delusion
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I've talked about in the past, where Canada thinks that it has a much greater impact on
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And Justin Trudeau is the embodiment of that, whether it was the United Nations Security
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Council seat or now trying to position himself as the dean of the G7, a role that no one
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asked him to fill and no one wants him to fill.
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And his longevity as Canadian prime minister, for now anyway, doesn't seem to be convincing
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when you're going toe-to-toe with the US president and the British prime minister and the French
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president and all these other people who are, whatever I may disagree with them on, more
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heavyweights than Justin Trudeau is, certainly when it comes to global politics.
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When we come back, more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
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Not sure how many pictures a video is worth, but I do want you to take a look at this because
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what you will see is more insane than how I could ever imagine describing it for you.
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Right now, you're under arrest under the provincial health orders.
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Okay, so if you can just put your hands behind your back, face towards the vehicle.
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Do you have any weapons or anything on you, sir?
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Anything on you that's going to hurt me or anything like that?
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I'll explain a few things that you hear right away.
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In that video, People's Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier arrested by the RCMP in rural
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Manitoba, not just given a ticket or a fine for violating some lockdown restriction, but
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as you can see, ordered out of his vehicle, frisked, handcuffed, put in the back of a police
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car, and then taken to jail where he stayed for the better part of Friday afternoon, late
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into the evening, was eventually released on bail.
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But as we'll talk about shortly, you can never get that time back, time that your liberty
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has been taken away, time you've been forced to spend behind bars.
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He says he has a right to stand up for his constitutional freedoms.
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Maxime Bernier, People's Party of Canada leader, joins me on the line.
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So they didn't detain you for too long, correct?
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And one thing that people would have seen there and heard there in the video that I
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thought was very clever and very important, which was that they asked you when they're
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doing the arrest if you had any weapons, and you said, only my words.
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Yeah, first of all, because it's not about COVID anymore.
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As you know, just Thursday before I started my tour in Manitoba Friday morning, I was arrested
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Friday at 2 o'clock p.m. and released around 11 o'clock p.m. the same day.
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But it was all about, you know, the premier of Manitoba, Mr. Pallister, didn't want me to
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And actually, he did a press conference the day before Thursday, and he said, if Maxime
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Bernier is coming here, his wallet will be affected.
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And so, you know, I did my goal to do meetings with people in Little Town in Manitoba.
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And I had a meeting outside, in a park, and with my partisans and the members of the People's
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And my goal was, as a politician, to be ready for the next election.
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And as you know, the People's Party of Canada is the only party against these draconian lockdowns.
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So I spoke with them, and I answered their questions.
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We were 15 there, and just after that event, the first one in the morning, Friday, the
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police came and gave me two tickets, and they said, if you do another rally, you have a chance
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So after that, I knew that I was taking a chance, and I called my lawyer, and he told me, Maxime,
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it's your constitutional rights to travel across the province and to speak.
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You're a politician, and you have to explain your platform.
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You have to gain support, and we understand that.
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So I decided to do the second event in a little village, St. Pierre, Jolie, about a thousand
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And at that time, I think we were eight, including myself, outside social distancing, and I was
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And actually, the COVID-19 health orders in Manitoba, they are not allowing a meeting
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So, and after that rally, police came, and you saw it in the video, and they arrest me
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and handcuffed me and treated me like a criminal just because, you know, I was exercising, I
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was speaking, my freedom of speech, my freedom of assembly.
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All the other person over there didn't have any tickets.
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That was motivated by the premier of Alberta and to try to stop me to campaign.
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I was supposed to have a big rally, a real open to the public rally that Friday night.
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And Saturday afternoon, I was supposed to have a good, a big rally also in Winnipeg, open
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And so, but the police released me around 11, 11.30 p.m. Friday night.
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And they were very direct that I was not welcome, and I must take the first flight back to Montreal.
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So that's crazy that now a politician cannot speak in a province of our country.
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If your plan was to fight this and to take these tickets to court eventually and to stand
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up for your rights, why not go ahead with the Saturday rally?
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Why did you decide to basically go along with what the province wanted and go back home?
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Yeah, first of all, because actually I would be back in Manitoba.
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I would campaign in Manitoba as soon as I would be able to do that.
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One of the conditions for me was to bail $100,000 to be sure for them, to be sure that I'll be
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And I will do that contestation in court, and we will win that for sure.
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So, and also, the other risk for me was to be back in jail for more than eight hours until
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You know, we'll be in an electoral campaign maybe early this fall.
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So, and I had a plan to campaign all across the country.
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The risk was too high for me to be in jail for a longer time, and I had the full agenda
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One interesting aspect of this is that they accused you of violating the gathering restrictions
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and also of violating the province's provincial quarantine.
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So if anyone goes from out of the province to Manitoba, they say they have to isolate
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And I actually wanted to do some filming of a documentary I'm working on in Manitoba and
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Although we are supposedly, in Canada, guaranteed free movement between provinces.
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This has been a hallmark as old as Confederation.
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Was that something you were very aware of going into it?
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That, you know, within provinces, provinces don't have the right to put up barriers?
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Yeah, absolutely, yes, because the civil servant at the head of the Department of Health
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Health in Manitoba sent me a letter the day before saying that I'm not welcome and if
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I'm going there, I need to quarantine, like you just said, for 15 days.
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I tweeted just after that that, you know, I have constitutional rights to travel across
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So let's talk about the politicians that are putting this forward.
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We have not seen in Ontario, where I live, anyone that I'm aware of offhand jailed for this.
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But in Alberta, which has Conservative Premier Jason Kenney, we've seen pastors behind bars.
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In Manitoba, which has a Premier who positions himself as a Conservative, Brian Pallister.
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Why is it that we're seeing these from Conservative governments that are traditionally supposed
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to be the most freedom-loving governments, the most freedom-loving politicians?
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I hope I can have the answer of your questions.
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And if you look at it in B.C., it's an NDP government.
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And they were the freest province in all the country.
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I was there before, and I was able to eat in a restaurant inside without any
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recognition measures and being free to do what you want to do in a B.C. government,
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And speaking about Alberta, I know personally Jason Kenney.
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I was sitting with him around the cabinet table when I was a Conservative minister,
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I think all these are premiers, and you can include the premiers of Quebec, Legault.
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They are following the establishment medical experts.
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And they don't want to have any other point of view.
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And they scared the population in the beginning.
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And actually, in Quebec, as you know, Andrew, they spent more than $135 million
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It was pure propaganda, more than every other provincial government in this country.
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So with all that money that they spent, the fear, and I think they enjoy also their authoritarian powers.
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I really don't understand why it's supposed to be conservative
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And it is also worth noting that right now we have Justin Trudeau overseas, elbow to elbow,
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shoulder to shoulder with all of these world leaders.
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Justin Trudeau took a knee at a Black Lives Matter protest in Ottawa, which was an illegal protest.
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He took a knee there, surrounded by his own police officers, the RCMP.
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They didn't arrest him, but the RCMP in Manitoba arrests you.
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And not only arrests you by giving you a ticket, but actually handcuffed and put to jail.
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And the double standard is incredibly, incredibly stark here.
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They don't like, they don't like the opposition.
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And it's why I said that, you know, the only weapon is my words.
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And they don't like that because they're not following our constitution.
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They prefer to keep their authoritarian powers with these health orders.
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It's sad that this is happening in 2021 in our country.
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And if you look around the world, like you just said,
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And I don't understand that we don't have any opposition in provincial parliaments or legislatures.
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And also in Ottawa, the official opposition are not opposing that.
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Well, when Ontario MPP Randy Hillier was charged at Queen's Park, I believe it was, a few months ago,
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I had said that an opposition politician being charged for protesting the government
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is a story you'd expect to see in Belarus, in China, in Russia, but it's happening in Canada.
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They went one step further with you and actually put you in jail.
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Not a headline we would expect to see in Canada.
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But you are right to point out that this is very political.
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The people that are prosecuted are people who protest against the government.
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And I hope that a lot of people will look at it twice.
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You know, we are in Canada and we cannot take for granted our freedoms anymore.
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People must realize that and they must do the fight.
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And I will certainly cover that when you are back in court.
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So thanks for coming on, Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada.
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And I will say, I know I've made this observation before.
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When you get a ticket or a fine, I think it's an overreach in a lot of these lockdown-related
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You're not out any money for the fine unless you lose.
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When you are put behind bars, when you are jailed, whether it's for eight years or for eight days
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or for eight hours, that is a point of your life, a period of your life you can never reclaim.
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That is liberty that has been taken away from you.
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And these things are very important because you can never undo that no matter how small
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a chunk, relatively speaking, it might have been.
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So when Maxime Bernier, whatever you think of him, whatever you think of his party, when
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he's put in jail for attending a rally of, what did he say?
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We're not talking about a super spreader event here like some other possibilities.
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When he's arrested and put in jail for eight people at a rally, that is a level of confiscating
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liberty that is incredible for a country that relishes freedom as Canada supposes to.
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However, there won't be another episode of The Andrew Lawton Show from me this week.
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I'm working on a special project, so I have to hunker down and focus on that.
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But you'll get more from that and about that in the coming days and weeks.
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