Juno News - Gender ideology is a threat to women ｜ feat. Mia Ashton

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Rupa Subramanya show. I am Rupa Subramanya. Today, we'll be

00:00:22.300 talking about the aggressive pushing to the forefront of the transgender agenda by work

00:00:28.640 leaders like Joe Biden in the U.S. and our very own Justin Trudeau. Both Biden and Trudeau,

00:00:34.880 for example, declared March 30th as Transgender Day of Visibility. To talk about the trans agenda,

00:00:42.640 all of the issues at play here, at least as much as we can get into today, and especially as it

00:00:49.800 concerns children, I'm joined today by well-known gender-critical activist and writer for the

00:00:55.940 post-millennial Mia Ashton. Okay, so Mia, welcome to the show. It's great to have you here. Let me

00:01:03.700 first start by asking why you believe gender identity ideology is harmful or doing harm to women,

00:01:13.960 the LGBT community, and especially children. Okay, I'll start with women. So gender identity

00:01:23.460 ideology. First of all, let's define it. So this is the idea that what makes a person a man, a woman,

00:01:30.820 a boy, or a girl is a gender identity, something you can think of like a gender soul, rather than the

00:01:39.500 material reality of your body. So in the world that I live in, I do not believe in gender identity

00:01:45.840 ideology. I believe a woman is an adult human female, and a man is an adult human male. But if you believe

00:01:53.540 in gender identity ideology, you believe that a female gender identity encased within a male body or a female

00:02:02.720 body is what makes a person a woman. Now, if you apply that across society, we segregate spaces in society 0.99

00:02:14.040 by male and female, we segregate them by sex. And that is for the protection of women and girls. 0.64

00:02:22.540 Because males commit almost all violent crime, and almost all sex offenses. So if you are now saying

00:02:31.280 that what makes a person of a woman is a female gender identity, you are opening up women's spaces to 1.00

00:02:39.520 any male who chooses to self-declare that he possesses one of these female souls, and then he

00:02:47.340 is permitted to enter a woman's space. It's hard for me to understand how people don't see the problem 1.00

00:02:53.620 with that, because it's so open to abuse by the worst type of men in society. Then the LGB, okay,

00:03:02.720 we have these gender identity proponents have redefined homosexuality away from same-sex attraction to

00:03:17.060 same-gender attraction. So that gives you the concept of the male lesbian and the female gay man. So you

00:03:25.400 have got a heterosexual man who identifies as a woman, and he's attracted to women, so he therefore

00:03:33.680 thinks he's a lesbian. Now, lesbians are being called transphobic for saying they are only interested 1.00

00:03:41.700 in women, female women. And also, they can be kicked off lesbian dating apps for specifying in their bios 1.00

00:03:52.360 that they're only interested in females. They meet in secret, they can't have lesbian events.

00:03:58.920 They can't advertise them because if they do, a bunch of heterosexual men who think they're lesbians

00:04:03.640 will show up. And the same goes in the other direction for gay men, but to a lesser extent. There are 0.62

00:04:09.960 some women who identify as men who think they are gay men, and they are invading gay men spaces as well.

00:04:19.200 And then children. That's my issue. Because we have come up with this idea that everyone possesses a

00:04:27.840 gender identity. And we tell children this. We tell children that what makes them a boy or a girl is not

00:04:35.100 the material reality of their body, but this gender soul within them. So a gender non-conforming child or

00:04:43.960 adolescent will interpret that to mean that their gender non-conformity makes them a member of the

00:04:50.180 opposite sex. We've seen an average 4,000% increase in adolescents identifying as transgender, showing up

00:04:59.960 at gender clinics, and then the gender clinics just usher them onto this brutal medical pathway for which 1.00

00:05:08.040 there is no solid scientific base whatsoever.

00:05:13.560 Yeah. So how did that... Let's stick with the children because, you know, that...

00:05:20.680 The basic premise, at least as far as I'm concerned, is that if you're an adult,

00:05:25.400 do whatever you want. But when it comes to children who have no agency,

00:05:29.480 that's when it becomes problematic. How did the practice of, you know, allowing children

00:05:41.160 to make these decisions for themselves when it comes to their body, how did that come about? I mean,

00:05:47.880 these are... Some of these decisions are irreversible. And there have been stories,

00:05:54.280 plenty of stories out there of people who... Children who've been put on this path and

00:06:00.200 come to regret it at some point in their lives, you know, when it's too late.

00:06:05.320 So a strange thing happened within the medical community, I would say around 2010 or so. So the

00:06:14.920 modern trans rights movement came along and demanded that we all believe that these gender identities are

00:06:21.640 innate and immutable in the same way that sexuality is. So the modern trans rights movement met 0.75

00:06:30.280 the medical world just as the medical world was unleashing upon us this puberty blockers experiment.

00:06:37.160 It's totally... At the time, in the early stages, they had no evidence that it worked. They just tried

00:06:43.720 out this insane experiment to block the puberty of children. But when the two events met,

00:06:49.880 all hell broke loose, basically, we have major medical associations got captured by the ideology of

00:06:59.960 the modern trans rights movement and bought into this idea that the gender identity is innate and

00:07:06.120 immutable. And therefore, the only option is to affirm it and then put the children onto this experimental

00:07:15.400 medical pathway. And we have a group called WPATH, which is the World Professional Association for

00:07:23.240 Transgender Health. They have a large part to do with it. They are not a scientific organization at

00:07:29.880 all. They're an activist group. And they push to this idea that you must affirm children, you must 0.92

00:07:36.920 immediately affirm them. They view psychotherapy and helping a child accept their body as being

00:07:43.800 conversion therapy and only a medical route is possible. So we just... People don't understand that

00:07:51.400 the medical world can be captured in this way. But if you read into medical history and all of the past

00:07:58.600 medical scandals, you can see that this is just another one in a long, long line of medical misadventions.

00:08:05.960 Right. I mean, if you if you want to talk about eugenics, for example, that that would be a great 0.99

00:08:13.960 example of that. How much of this, Mia, has to do with that this is actually a profit making thing for for

00:08:24.360 doctors, especially in the US, where they don't have socialized medicine? How much of this has to do with

00:08:32.360 ideology? How much of this has to do with making money? I think in my opinion, it started off purely

00:08:40.360 ideological. I do not believe that anyone came along and saw a golden opportunity to make an awful lot

00:08:48.440 of money on sex changes for children. I just I don't believe anyone saw that and deliberately set it in

00:08:54.920 motion. I think it it is just when an ideological movement met the medical world in a in a stage when

00:09:03.240 they were experimenting with something. And I think they were rather excited at the prospect of child sex

00:09:08.440 exchanges and the two met and then disaster struck. But there is no question that now, once it's all up and

00:09:18.280 running, there are definitely people who are making a lot of money and perhaps encouraging fueling the

00:09:26.440 social contagion as a way to profit from it, I'm sure now. We'll talk about social contagion in a little

00:09:34.760 bit, which is fascinating and I think really central to this issue. But let's let's go back to women. 1.00

00:09:42.680 You know, as you noted, women also suffer immeasurable harm when it comes to this aggressive trans 1.00

00:09:51.960 gender agenda or gender ideology agenda. Women increasingly were being denied our biologically 1.00

00:10:02.200 legitimate claim to be called women. And I'm thinking of sports, for example, where so many 0.87

00:10:07.560 world records have been set by men who call themselves women. These individuals are obviously 0.97

00:10:14.920 bigger and stronger. And so therefore, it is not a fair contest, in my opinion, at least. And I'm thinking

00:10:20.840 you 100% agree with me on this. And women are now starting to push against this. And some men are also

00:10:30.440 starting to take a position on this. I don't know if you followed this recent story from over the weekend

00:10:38.440 where a Canadian man in Alberta, Avi Silverberg, decided to make a point by identifying as a woman

00:10:50.200 and shattered a world record, I think, in powerlifting. Do you see do you see the battle in sports as

00:10:57.880 possibly one of the front lines in, you know, on the trans issue right now?

00:11:04.920 I do because it's so visible and it's so obvious. It's quite remarkable that we got to this place where

00:11:12.040 people think or thought that men could fairly compete against women. That's an incredible thing. 1.00

00:11:19.960 But because it's so visible, because I think a lot of the other harms to women, 0.97

00:11:24.840 they occur behind closed doors. So if you've got a man identifying as a woman and entering a rape

00:11:32.600 crisis shelter, that's not going to hit the news. That's not going to make headlines. It's happening

00:11:38.040 behind closed doors. And it's happening to society's most vulnerable women who don't really have a voice.

00:11:44.280 But the sports thing is just so, it's so obvious and it's so out there and it's so in your face. And it's

00:11:51.000 usually ludicrous. It's usually an enormous man competing against petite, very athletic, but much 0.74

00:11:59.240 smaller women. So I have hoped that the sports thing will anything to bring this to the attention 1.00

00:12:06.600 of as many people as possible because Canada has done a remarkable job of just ignoring this for the

00:12:13.320 best part of a decade, just pretending it's not happening. So sports is a good way to get it out there.

00:12:19.880 Well, let's stay with women and let's talk about Kelly J. Keene, who's also known as Posie Parker. 1.00

00:12:28.840 She's a mother. She's a women's rights activist from the UK. And she's been traveling internationally

00:12:36.440 on her Let Women Speak tour, where she wants to give women a platform to speak in defense of what a 1.00

00:12:47.000 woman is. And recently while she was in New Zealand, she ran into some trouble. You had all of these

00:12:54.760 activists basically mobbed her. She was doused with tomato soup. New Zealand's immigration minister said

00:13:03.320 that he would prefer if she never set foot in New Zealand, called her views abhorrent 0.95

00:13:08.600 and said something about her being vile or that she was being surrounded by vile people, including white 0.98

00:13:16.440 supremacists. It's almost like women are once again fighting for our basic rights, as basic as

00:13:27.240 what a woman is. What is going on here? How did things come to this point where leaders 0.98

00:13:34.280 are basically okay with women being treated this way?

00:13:43.000 Well, if you look at what Kelly J. Keene's views are, it's basically she believes women are adult

00:13:53.560 human females. She believes that it is impossible to change sex and that if you are born male, 0.99

00:14:01.560 you will die male. And at all times in between, you do not belong in female spaces. Now, 10 years ago, 0.97

00:14:09.960 these would not have been controversial views. Now they are about the worst thing that a woman could 1.00

00:14:16.760 possibly say. We are not allowed to define ourselves. We are not allowed to call women,

00:14:22.440 women and men, men. We are not allowed to say that we would like the privacy and safety of female only

00:14:29.880 spaces. And she says it and she has been saying it for years. And she came up with the genius idea of

00:14:37.400 these hosting these events to allow other ordinary women also to say it. And that makes her

00:14:46.680 public enemy number one. That makes her, you see, the New Zealand thing was because she had been in

00:14:52.440 Australia just in the days running up. And in the, at the Melbourne event, neo-Nazis showed up.

00:15:00.600 Now, the neo-Nazis did not show up. They were not invited by Kelly J. They did not show up even to

00:15:08.440 support Kelly J or the women. Neo-Nazis are not exactly known for their stance on women's rights.

00:15:15.960 From what I can understand, the neo-Nazis showed up because Antifa were there. Antifa were there. They

00:15:22.040 protest every women's rights events. They, they really do not want women to speak. So it seems the Nazi, 0.65

00:15:27.960 the neo-Nazis showed up to protest the counter-protest rather than to support the women. 0.58

00:15:33.480 And then the New Zealand mainstream media had a field day with that. And they painted her as a,

00:15:38.840 basically a white supremacist and a Nazi. And then yes, the 2000 strong mob of hatred crushed in on

00:15:47.240 her. It was a very distressing thing to witness, especially when you take it back to why she was

00:15:53.400 there just to let the women of New Zealand, New Zealand speak and explain why they feel gender 0.93

00:16:01.640 identity ideology is harmful.

00:16:05.560 Um, what, I mean, we, you know, I was not there, neither were you, but, uh, what, what do you think

00:16:11.720 is the level of support for someone like a Kelly J Keen, uh, even in a place like New Zealand, which seems to

00:16:17.400 have really like, we, we, you know, gone to the other, uh, end of the spectrum here, uh, when it comes to,

00:16:25.000 uh, these issues, uh, what is the level of support someone like a Kelly J Keen, um, um, um, has these days?

00:16:34.600 In, in, I would say all over the world now, it's increasing exponentially. New Zealand, you see, I,

00:16:41.320 I've long thought that Canada was the worst place to be a woman in, in respect to the gender identity 1.00

00:16:49.000 stuff. But I think, uh, perhaps I was wrong about that. Perhaps New Zealand does win that prize.

00:16:55.160 So it's hard to tell how much support she had prior to Auckland, but I would think she has an awful lot

00:17:02.840 more now because perhaps Canadians definitely don't know how serious this is, how serious

00:17:12.040 gender is, is impacting women. And I suspect perhaps New Zealand was the same. If you don't have a 0.94

00:17:17.880 mainstream media willing to put this out in the open and discuss it, normal people might not know

00:17:25.320 it's happening. So an event like Auckland, where the nation would have seen a tiny little woman 0.98

00:17:32.600 being mobbed by, you know, they were draped in rainbow flags and I suppose they were trans 0.72

00:17:37.800 activists, but really they were just aggressive, violent men. I mean, a woman, a 72 year old woman

00:17:46.120 got punched repeatedly in the head and the, the man by a man, a grown man, and he fractured her eye

00:17:53.080 socket. So if you see scenes like that, I think it brings, it brings it to the front that this is a

00:18:01.240 really vile misogynistic movement that is definitely a danger to women. 1.00

00:18:07.560 Yeah. Let's turn our attention to gender dysphoria and transitioning among young people. You've recently

00:18:15.320 written about the influence of social contagion in this context. Could you explain how that works?

00:18:22.840 Right. So the concept of social contagion is nothing new. We've known about ideas, emotions,

00:18:30.040 behaviors. They are contagious. That's what it means to be human. You can see social contagions

00:18:35.640 happening all around you at all times. It's not a bad thing. You can have social contagions of

00:18:42.440 happiness. You can have social contagions of, I don't know, recycling, anything. But the social

00:18:50.760 contagion of gender dysphoria, you can see there are people who deny that it's a social contagion and 0.98

00:18:57.160 that's mind blowing to me. But if you look at the referrals to pediatric gender clinics,

00:19:04.600 there are plenty of graphs out there. And so in the years prior to 2015, there were almost none,

00:19:12.600 children, just almost no children suffered from gender dysphoria. And the ones who did were typically

00:19:19.560 male children and their discomfort with their gender started from a very early age. Then in 2015,

00:19:27.800 you see a sudden spike. You see exponential growth of referrals to gender clinics. And all of a sudden,

00:19:35.400 it's almost all adolescent girls. It's teenage girls. Their gender dysphoria started suddenly at puberty,

00:19:43.400 almost always after spending an awful lot of time online. And they typically have one or more

00:19:55.320 psychiatric comorbidity, a mental health issue that coexists with the gender dysphoria,

00:20:00.600 very often preceding the gender dysphoria. So it would be something like self-harm, anxiety, depression,

00:20:07.960 eating disorders. A disproportionate number of them are on the autism spectrum as well.

00:20:15.480 So almost all social contagions throughout history have been observed to affect predominantly

00:20:23.480 teenage girls and young women. And that's exactly what we're seeing with this one now.

00:20:29.640 And you just have to look at the messaging that these girls are receiving. 1.00

00:20:33.880 If you go online, you can find thousands upon thousands of young women, teenage girls and young

00:20:40.360 women on TikTok, showing off their mastectomy scars, talking about how wonderful taking testosterone is, 0.79

00:20:47.800 and making transitions seem fun and exciting and cool. There's the same thing going on on YouTube.

00:20:55.800 They're getting these messages from schools. The schools will celebrate anyone who comes out as

00:21:00.920 transgender. It just gets into the distressed mind. If you're a teenage girl and you're very

00:21:07.320 uncomfortable, you're depressed, you're miserable, and you don't know why. And then you come across the

00:21:12.600 idea online that you could be transgender. And it's tantalizing for them because it gives them 0.99

00:21:22.520 an escape. It gives them a solution. And it's not really easy. But to them,

00:21:27.880 it looks as though medical transition will solve all of their problems. And then they will find

00:21:33.560 happiness. The tragedy is many of them go down the medical pathway, they get all the way to the end,

00:21:39.160 they have their healthy breasts cut off. And then they realize gender wasn't the issue to begin with. 0.98

00:21:45.400 And then they have a lifetime of regret ahead of them.

00:21:47.960 So, Mia, I've heard this year from other people as well. What happened in 2015? Why was there a spike in

00:21:59.240 the number of young people looking to transition? What happened in that year?

00:22:04.680 Well, it's around then that the modern trans rights movement really ramped up the messaging. It really

00:22:13.400 kicked off around the mid 2010s. And in an effort, I want to be generous here. And in an effort to

00:22:23.320 increase visibility, I suppose, to increase acceptance, they started pushing

00:22:30.040 the concept of the transgender child into television shows and books and popular culture. So we have the

00:22:37.960 the reality TV show, I am jazz, I don't know if you know that show, it's a jazz is a male child and the

00:22:45.640 parents transitioned him. And it's a reality TV show following this, this teenagers transition. And

00:22:54.120 and it's, it's quite a horrifying show. But I think the jazz effect was rather huge, in that it just sort of

00:23:01.560 millions of people watched it. And the concept of the transgender child then reaches millions of people.

00:23:08.040 And you can see it, it aired in 2015. And then the spike just shoots up. And in England, they had

00:23:15.560 another one, it was called Transgender Kids, it was a documentary, aired in 2014 or 2015 as well.

00:23:23.960 Caitlyn Jenner, don't know if you know who that guy is. He was on the cover of a magazine, I think he was

00:23:29.720 woman of the year in 2015. All sorts of it just really picked up, you know, it suddenly were just

00:23:39.160 bombarded with these messages constantly. And then right then you can see it just look at the graphs,

00:23:44.600 you can see it shoot up. Yeah, no, that's, that's incredible. You know, I've been struggling to

00:23:51.720 understand what happened in 2015. But it does this makes a lot of sense to me. I would also, I mean, I mean,

00:23:59.800 based on what you're saying, is that, you know, it's, is it fair to conclude that a desire to

00:24:05.880 transition could be a byproduct of a larger set of mental health issues that a young person may be

00:24:12.040 going through? Oh, there's, I would say there's no question. I would say, particularly for these

00:24:19.640 teenage girls who are swept up in the social contagion, they're just looking for an answer to why

00:24:28.600 they feel so bad, to why they hate their body. Many of them are lesbian, you see, and they are,

00:24:36.360 they haven't yet found their place in the world, because I think it's more difficult for a homosexual 0.64

00:24:41.400 teen to accept their sexuality. And there is still homophobia in the world. So many of them,

00:24:49.320 there are lots of gay teenage boys who will find themselves in this in this place where they just, 0.98

00:24:55.880 they don't want to be gay, they hate their bodies. And then they see this celebrated transgender 1.00

00:25:02.280 identity. It's not their fault, the children, the young people caught up in this who have serious,

00:25:09.880 maybe probably have serious mental health issues, and they need help, and they need psychotherapy.

00:25:14.600 They are being completely failed by a medical world gone mad that just one day decided to start

00:25:23.720 performing sex changes on adolescents. And all of society for just the people just turning a blind

00:25:31.240 eye and not questioning where, where have all these transgender teenagers come from? I heard a story that 0.60

00:25:37.160 there's a, there's a class, a high school class in Ottawa, that there are five girls who identify as

00:25:44.680 trends in one class. Now, if you're an adult, and you see that happening, and you don't question why,

00:25:52.200 you are failing these children. Yeah, no, we'll come to the teachers and parents in a bit. But just to

00:26:00.600 finish up, finish off social contagion, it could, you know, of course, it comes from peers, but also

00:26:08.200 from celebrity transitions like Elliot Page, and the fact that such individuals are glamorized, right?

00:26:17.240 Of course, you see, yes, the Ellen Page thing, this is, you know, it's a woman, she's a lesbian, and she 0.91

00:26:24.840 comes out as transgender, and gets put onto the cover of magazines and celebrated. And she's so brave.

00:26:31.960 And she's so that is going to get into the minds of young girls, young lesbians, teenage girls who 0.98

00:26:40.920 are struggling, and they're going to see someone being celebrated for having healthy body parts

00:26:46.680 chopped off. She had perfectly healthy breasts cut off, and then posed on the cover of a magazine. 1.00

00:26:53.240 And we all for some reason celebrate that as if that's a wonderful thing and not absolutely barbaric.

00:27:00.520 Yeah. I, you know, I've been watching a bunch of her interviews recently and prepping for our

00:27:10.200 conversation. And it seemed to me is it seemed to me that she was genuinely unhappy being in her body,

00:27:21.720 like, to what extent? Are there numbers out there where they're just genuinely there are people out

00:27:27.560 there just don't like their body, they've never liked being in their bodies, and they just want

00:27:32.600 to be someone else? Is that is is that a possibility?

00:27:38.440 Okay, well, there were before the social contagion, there were people who suffered from what we now call

00:27:47.400 gender dysphoria. I find aren't many of us unhappy in our bodies, though, I think, whether you have

00:27:54.680 gender dysphoria or not, a lot of people will be unhappy with a part of their body, but your body is

00:28:00.920 your body. And no amount of testosterone or body part amputation or anything is going to change the fact

00:28:08.280 that, you know, you must live in your body. So there were certainly people before who suffered from

00:28:15.320 gender dysphoria. They were almost all male. It was pretty much unheard of in women and girls

00:28:22.600 prior to this social contagion. So while I don't know, I won't go into whether it's real or not,

00:28:30.680 but it's certainly there were people who suffered from this condition before. But we have created

00:28:36.600 this explosion with our obsession with trans rights and our obsession with, you know, celebrating

00:28:44.760 transgender celebrities and these TV shows and everything. We created the problem. And I, you said 1.00

00:28:51.880 that you support an adult making that decision. I suppose I do in one way, but there are also many

00:29:01.400 vulnerable adults who make this disastrous choice, thinking that transition will solve all of their

00:29:08.120 problems, only to come out at the end and realize that not only did transition not solve their problems,

00:29:15.240 but it also created a whole host of other very serious problems that they will now have to live

00:29:21.480 with for the rest of their lives. So if you're going to embark on medical transition, as long as you

00:29:27.400 understand everything and as long as you have read the stories of detransitioners, you have, you understand 0.98

00:29:33.640 the possibility of regret and you understand that it is not a magic bullet that can fix everything, then okay,

00:29:41.240 sure. But I don't think people are being prepared for what medical transition really is these days in

00:29:49.080 clinics. That's, that's a fair point. Um, I think, um, uh, you know, it's not that different from, uh, my view

00:29:56.760 on this, which is, you know, as long as you're aware of all of the risks involved, you're aware of the

00:30:02.200 consequences and, uh, you're, uh, an adult making these decisions. Um, you know, you, you, I think once you just,

00:30:13.720 you may not like the decision, I mean, I may not like that decision for you, but, uh, but surely

00:30:19.960 you're not, you're not suggesting as a, uh, uh, as, as an activist that this, these procedures should

00:30:26.360 just be banned, right? I'm not saying they should be banned. There was a, there was a, I think he's a

00:30:33.880 psychiatrist who used to work at the very controversial soon to be closed Tavistock clinic.

00:30:40.760 And he used to run a group for people, people wanting to transition and people who regret

00:30:47.720 their transition. And he put the two together and he had, I think about 98% of the people

00:30:55.080 wanting to transition did not ultimately end up medically transitioning. So I think, yes, if you,

00:31:01.800 if this is something that you really understand and you understand what can go wrong and what, what

00:31:08.520 medical transition can and cannot do, then sure. And I'm a bit hard line because I think you should 1.00

00:31:14.280 be at least 25 years old because the brain does not finish maturing until around age 25. And we would,

00:31:22.360 we would never perform vasectomies or tubal ligation on anyone under age 25, because we know that they are

00:31:30.120 likely to grow and mature and change their mind about whether or not they want to have children. So

00:31:36.280 the same rules should apply for anyone seeking transition. They should be a fully grown adult. 0.96

00:31:43.000 And that doesn't happen until the mid twenties.

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00:32:37.080 to socially or medically transition i am i am certain of that puberty blockers when they first

00:32:45.640 came on the scene they they were first conceived um in the 1990s in a dutch clinic the idea was

00:32:53.800 that you would you would block the puberty to give the the adolescent more time to think that

00:33:01.240 was the idea so they started this experiment and then they figured because it's just a temporary

00:33:07.720 fully reversible pause a child can consent to that because it's not it's not technically very invasive

00:33:15.080 and then as the years went on they realized almost all all or almost all of the children

00:33:22.840 put on puberty blockers were progressing to cross-sex hormones and so that many people i think

00:33:30.360 in the beginning questioned well is this is this locking in the gender identity is there something

00:33:36.840 about the puberty blockers that is preventing the natural desistance that would have occurred

00:33:43.320 otherwise because we know that without the puberty blockers about 80 up to 98 of children will desist

00:33:50.680 and no longer wish to medically transition after puberty and so when the puberty blockers came along

00:33:56.600 and 100 almost 100 were progressing you can then no longer call them a fully reversible pause and so

00:34:05.480 then to consent to puberty blockers you basically have to have the capacity to consent to the cross-sex 0.95

00:34:12.600 hormones which almost inevitably will follow and a child cannot consent to that it's simply impossible

00:34:20.520 because with the cross-sex hormones comes chemical castration it comes infertility it comes permanent 0.79

00:34:27.800 changes to the body and then you're locking in the gender identity that they have as a child 0.80

00:34:33.160 that would almost certainly have passed had you allowed them to just grow and mature so no children

00:34:39.800 absolutely cannot consent to the medical pathway and they should not be socially transitioned either because

00:34:47.240 if you tell a little boy that he's a girl and then you raise him all the way through childhood telling

00:34:53.320 him he's a girl lying to him what's going to happen when he gets to puberty of course he's going to want 0.97

00:34:58.920 the medical pathway because he's been told all his life that he's a girl that's very detrimental as well

00:35:06.360 yeah no absolutely so let's uh that's that's a good way to transition

00:35:10.440 to um the role that uh parents and uh school counselors uh play uh in this uh on when it comes

00:35:20.200 to uh trans trans issues um um it seems that in an increasingly uh woke school system here in canada

00:35:28.600 teachers and guidance counselors are uh uh counselors are supporting or maybe even encouraging transitioning

00:35:35.880 by confused young people uh who are uh way below the age of majority uh these people as i said earlier

00:35:42.120 can't vote but apparently they can make these irreversible life-changing decisions uh regarding

00:35:47.320 their bodies uh which uh of course some then come to regret uh do you you do you think there's a failure

00:35:53.720 here of our institutions i think there's an enormous failure it's it's incredible that you see in in

00:36:02.360 schools all across canada they will allow your child to change to change their name pronouns everything

00:36:09.640 to basically socially transition at school and they won't even tell the parents they'll keep that a

00:36:15.800 secret from the parents so that's a an enormous betrayal of trust on the part of the school and at the

00:36:24.520 same time of course they're bombarding them with gender identity ideology in the classroom so they

00:36:31.560 will be teaching them that you know this gender soul is what makes them a boy or a girl they'll be

00:36:36.840 confusing them when they're very small children sort of untethering them from reality and then when

00:36:44.040 some of these children fall into the the the idea that they are a member of the opposite sex the

00:36:49.560 schools will actually facilitate their social transition without telling the parents now if you look

00:36:57.080 at social transition as being a very powerful psychotherapeutic intervention that alters the

00:37:03.480 course of a child's life it's quite remarkable that teachers are allowing that to occur without even

00:37:10.920 bothering to tell the parents they're keeping it a secret they make out that it's a safety issue they

00:37:16.840 think that if the child were if the child felt comfortable telling their parents then they would they

00:37:25.960 would tell the parents and the fact that the child doesn't feel comfortable means that the parents

00:37:30.600 are in some way abusive that's the sort of warped way of thinking but no the the what is happening

00:37:38.920 in our schools is is truly atrocious and parents need to be aware of it because many parents don't

00:37:44.680 understand until they find out that their child has their daughter has been going by a male name and a

00:37:50.440 male pronoun for for a whole year by that time if you've if the daughter has been living as a boy

00:37:58.120 for for that amount of time the gender identity again can sort of concretize in her mind and it's

00:38:04.200 going to be very difficult then to take her off that path and and avert the need for medical intervention

00:38:11.160 yeah um i've heard this from many parents um who are just uh um they feel defeated they feel uh like

00:38:24.600 you know this is um something that the schools should have been i mean as as their as parents they're

00:38:32.920 increasingly you know in a situation where they have no control over their uh of their offsprings right

00:38:39.800 uh and schools are just uh kind of playing along with this and it is it is quite horrific um let's uh

00:38:46.600 change uh gears a little bit and we'll talk about the biden and trudeau declaration of uh the trans

00:38:54.040 day of visibility um march 30th i think is the trans day of visibility um i i think i i saw you

00:39:03.640 reacting to uh justin trudeau's tweet a few days ago and you you found the verbiage was over the top

00:39:10.520 um biden went on to uh went so far as to call trans people among the bravest people he knows um what

00:39:18.840 do you make of this claim that trans people are among the bravest i i often associate bravery with

00:39:24.680 people who've laid down their lives for their country uh survived civil wars and natural disasters

00:39:30.200 uh or for that matter losing their livelihoods by acting on principle like vaccine mandates

00:39:36.040 how do we understand this claim that trans people are so brave that they need their own day of

00:39:40.280 visibility well i mean first of all how can they possibly need their own day of visibility every day

00:39:47.480 is trans day of visibility we are constantly bombarded with the messaging all the time

00:39:53.640 but yeah this idea that to to come out as a member of the opposite sex to be a man invading women's

00:40:01.800 spaces to be a man demanding that everybody call him a woman and use she her pronouns is somehow

00:40:09.560 an act of bravery is is it's ridiculous but it's something i would expect from from biden this it's

00:40:18.600 with with with trend with the trans community with the trans movement we always have to participate in

00:40:25.480 this rapturous celebration of transgender people this is not they claim they want equal rights they 0.97

00:40:34.600 claim that they're just an oppressed minority and they and they're fighting for the equal rights that

00:40:39.320 they so deserve but what they really want is this constant celebration this constant we have to place them

00:40:46.120 on a pedestal and worship them and never never question anything about the movement and i don't know i

00:40:53.000 don't know who's writing biden's speeches but they really it's almost comical the the things that he comes

00:41:01.080 out with or the claim by the trans community that they're facing genocide which is a very charged claim

00:41:09.160 to make because genocide um has a very specific meaning and you don't just toss that word around just like

00:41:16.200 that um why why do you think that um uh leaders like biden and trudeau are pushing on this issue so

00:41:26.280 aggressively um look they're politicians and at the end of the day um and most trans people i imagine would 0.95

00:41:35.320 be voting for them anyway so why are they pushing on this issue so aggressively they just when it first

00:41:42.840 appeared in the sort of mid 2010s i suspect that the the political left saw it as a sort of easy way to

00:41:53.240 virtue signal and demonstrate what good progressive people they are and so once they had thrown their

00:42:00.920 support behind it they had to stay all in so there are you know the debate is raging and and now the the

00:42:10.360 harm of this movement is being discussed everywhere people are talking about it all the time but i think

00:42:16.280 it's very hard for a political party to to change track on something that they have stood so firm on

00:42:24.440 and as well you know if you look at the the transgender community will not tolerate anyone even suggesting 0.98

00:42:33.000 that there's something amiss and maybe maybe chopping the healthy breasts off 16 year old lesbians is a 1.00

00:42:39.160 bad thing like if anyone even suggests that the trans community with their viciousness the trans activists 0.99

00:42:46.200 community with their their vicious aggressive um sort of authoritarian control of speech they will

00:42:53.640 pounce on them and they will they will they will attack and they will vilify so they've supported what 0.89

00:43:00.200 they thought i think they thought they were supporting the next gay rights and they lazily threw their 0.81

00:43:07.560 support behind it without actually really understanding what it was they were supporting and now

00:43:13.160 they seem to just yeah they can't change track they're stuck with it yeah and and trans issues seem

00:43:20.680 to be uh it seems to be most common here in the west especially uh the progressive anglosphere um i

00:43:30.360 lived um for almost 10 years overseas um and i never saw this level of enthusiasm maybe it's changed now

00:43:38.440 uh because i haven't been traveling much since the pandemic uh but you never saw this level of

00:43:43.960 enthusiasm in the more conservative parts of europe or in asia for that matter um for example the average

00:43:52.360 person in india or china or some other place in asia um is not animated by these issues um what is going

00:44:01.400 on here there seems to be like a divide between what is happening here and what is happening elsewhere

00:44:09.160 they it's only happening where we are touched by the modern trans rights movement it is

00:44:17.080 i think gay rights was gay rights was a long battle and at the end of that long battle there existed a

00:44:27.880 whole industry of charities and ngos that had been fighting for gay rights 0.70

00:44:36.520 and i think you can perhaps they needed something else to do they needed they they had won they they

00:44:45.640 won marriage equality and and largely they had won all the battles they set out to achieve

00:44:53.560 and then they could have just packed up and gone on and moved on to other things but instead these these

00:44:59.400 large gay rights organizations latched on to the next big civil rights movement which is trans

00:45:06.520 rights so wherever there was a strong gay rights movement we are now we are now stuck with this

00:45:13.000 trans rights movement and ironically the trans rights movement is undoing a lot of the good 0.94

00:45:19.960 that the gay rights movement did and it's sort of annihilating the lgb community and the reputation of the

00:45:26.600 entire lgbt community in the name of trans rights so i think it's just wherever the political movement

00:45:35.640 and wherever trans rights has touched society has just descended into chaos 0.92

00:45:44.120 yeah um i i can most certainly uh see that and also i would argue uh i mean this is a controversial

00:45:52.360 point but uh there's very little i don't know if you agree with this but i feel like young people have

00:45:59.560 uh very little to anchor themselves with here in north america i don't know if you agree with that

00:46:04.680 culturally or just in terms of religion i feel like these institutions that we once relied on are no

00:46:12.120 longer um there really and and so the usual anchors that the average young person in india has um is is

00:46:23.240 not something they have here and so i wonder what role that plays in in in you know in in young

00:46:31.400 people kind of just being left to their own devices left to their own devices and then yeah

00:46:38.680 they're they're spending all this time online yeah with all of these messages and they're just getting

00:46:44.120 sort of sucked into these these these online communities that are filling their heads with

00:46:50.920 the social justice of it and the it's very political and it's it's very cult like they

00:46:56.520 feel they're just getting sucked into this online cult and and it's because of the the medical world

00:47:04.760 completely losing its mind it's it's the it's a true catastrophe yeah uh finally mia i wonder do you

00:47:12.840 find uh that the pendulum is shifting a little bit here uh just in terms of uh um you know how we're

00:47:21.400 talking about these issues you mentioned the closure of tavistock um a couple of months ago i believe the new

00:47:27.560 york times wrote a story on uh on uh or maybe it was um maybe last month on how we may be we may have

00:47:37.160 gotten this wrong uh in in pushing um um surgeries on children puberty blockers uh and so on do you do

00:47:46.040 you think that the pendulum is shifting a little bit here it's it's if it's shifting in canada it's

00:47:53.080 it's only it's very tiny right now but internationally it's huge internationally i would say

00:48:01.800 it's the very much coming to an end the the the medical scandal and i think it's remarkable to me that

00:48:10.280 in canada we have managed up to this point to block it all out you know we have we don't just have you

00:48:17.320 know one country raising the alarm now we have um sweden finland norway england and france all you

00:48:27.960 know pivoting away from the medical sex changes and back to psychotherapy we have a number of us states

00:48:35.400 and still canada remains in this bubble as if none of that's happening the national post has been

00:48:42.520 great though they have written some great pieces but we're still i don't know that we are i i i feel we

00:48:50.760 might be the last country to to face up to what we've done medically i feel the medical world for some

00:48:58.040 reason here they sort of see that the science is settled and we're getting it right no matter what's

00:49:05.400 happening in the rest of the world canada's getting it right and that's that's a baffling thing but

00:49:11.640 because the crime is so enormous the harm is so great it will definitely end this kind of thing cannot

00:49:18.040 go on forever so one day even canada will have to face up to this uh it will have to canada is always

00:49:24.600 an outlier as i uh said that many times in the context of vaccine mandates and pandemic measures

00:49:32.360 we were one of the last countries to get rid of these things and uh so i'm not at all surprised

00:49:37.480 that canada continues to remain an outlier on this issue as well and i hope that changes soon i would

00:49:44.280 like to thank you mia for uh for uh coming on the show and for giving us your insights and it was

00:49:51.800 incredibly informative for me and i'm sure it was for our viewers as well our viewers and listeners

00:49:57.160 and i hope to have you back here um i'm sure it'll happen sometime soon and for another engaging

00:50:03.800 discussion well thank you rupa it's been a pleasure thank you

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Gender ideology is a threat to women ｜ feat. Mia Ashton

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