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Coming up, the need for conservative opposition to Justin Trudeau's gun grab, big tech versus big government, and racist trash cans. The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now on The Show on True North. If you're typing the show out somehow, for some reason, make sure autocorrect doesn't get you. It is not, in fact, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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Coming up, the need for conservative opposition to Justin Trudeau's gun grab,
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big tech versus big government, and racist trash cans.
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Welcome, everyone, to another edition of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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And if you're typing the show out somehow, for some reason, make sure autocorrect doesn't get you.
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It is not, in fact, Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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As I one time had the misfortune of telling a sponsor of the previous carrier of the program,
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no, no, no, it's not the Irreverent Show, it's the Irreverent Show.
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And that is a very, very important distinction.
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I probably should have come up with a better tagline.
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But you know what? We are very much embracing our irreverence on every edition of the show.
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So thank you very much to those of you who are tuning in.
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We've got a lot to talk about today from big tech censorship and control
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and a little game of brinksmanship, actually a rather large game of brinksmanship
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between Facebook and the government of Australia that has a Canadian connection.
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But I also want to do a follow-up on what we started talking about earlier in the week
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Now, Bill C-21, tabled by the Liberals, would do a lot of things.
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As I talked about, it would actually ban toy guns.
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And I've had the chance to look through this in a bit more detail.
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And the way the legislation is actually worded is just bizarre.
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You don't even need to be able to fire something from a device.
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If it looks like a gun, it is going to be illegal unless it's an antique.
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So if you've got, you know, for whatever reason, a handgun paperweight or something,
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well, that's not going to be allowed because the Liberals have decided
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they're going to go after the aesthetics and theatrics rather than actual gun crime.
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The other part, though, is that the Liberal bill will kind of indefinitely force you
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to either sell your gun to the government if it's one of the ones that they've prohibited
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or hold on to it without being able to do anything to it ever again.
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So if you've got a Mini-14, if you've got an AR-15, if you've got one of the 1,500 models
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that the Liberals decided to ban, you can hold on to it if you want.
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You can't do anything, even pass it on in death.
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All you can do is hold on to it in a locked cabinet at home.
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In fact, I'm not even sure if you're allowed to clean it technically because then the Liberals
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would be asking, well, why do you need to clean it if you haven't been able to use it
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So this is the big problem is that you've got people that invested a lot of money building
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up gun collections and they're now sitting on what Justin Trudeau has called completely
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Take a look at this clip from Trudeau's press conference earlier in the week.
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We have, since last spring, banned assault-style weapons in this country.
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1,500 different models that can now no longer be used, shot in one's backyard, transported,
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Since last spring, these assault-style weapons cannot be used in Canada.
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We are now ensuring that there is a buyback program so that Canadians who lawfully purchase
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these weapons are treated fairly and respectfully and now that they are next to useless as weapons
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And there's almost a giddiness there because the government is giving you the illusion of
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They're saying, well, we're not forcing you to sell it back to the government.
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I mean, that is the biggest misnomer of this all.
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It's like build back better is now buy back better, except there's no back and there's
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It's just taking and here's a bit of money for you.
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So the government is saying, well, we're not forcing you.
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But you are sitting on something that is completely useless.
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This is basically the liberals' scrap metal program where they want to make every firearm
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in the country that they don't like a piece of scrap metal.
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So what is it that Canadian gun owners are supposed to do about this?
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I've had so many emails from gun owners since Tuesday's show that have been saying I've got
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I don't know if the liberals are going to give me fair market value for it.
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I have no idea how much I'll be able to get for this.
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And you've also got guns that have some sort of a sentimental value, but they were purchased
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They were purchased to do sports shooting, to participate in, in many cases, competitions
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They were purchased with the intent of doing all of these things that are now illegal.
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Is Aaron O'Toole, if he wins, going to do anything about this?
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Aaron O'Toole had a press conference this morning and I asked him about this in very clear
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terms and the answer itself wasn't all that clear.
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You get one question and one follow-up at these press conferences.
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And I want you to listen to the question and the answer because the answer on its own might
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sound fine enough, but not when you hear it in relation to what the question was actually
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The Liberals' firearms bill that was tabled earlier this week will give Canadians two options
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for a number of legally purchased firearms, either sell it back to the government or hold
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on to it indefinitely without the right to transfer, sell, use, or even bequeath it to
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And mainly, this is about guns that were prohibited by Order and Council back in May, those 1,500
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If this legislation passes and you should subsequently form government, would you repeal this legislation
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and would you reverse those 1,500 prohibitions?
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I think the Liberal Party and Mr. Trudeau need to stop misleading people when it comes to
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No one likes to see some of the shootings we've seen in the cities and some of the gang violence,
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Having an approach that goes after law-abiding Canadians, hunters and people like that is
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Mr. Trudeau and his caucus voted against a measure that was intended to stop the illegal
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smuggling of firearms from the United States, where if you speak to law enforcement, that
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I will try and actually target and prevent these firearms from getting in the hands of criminals.
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With respect, Mr. O'Toole, you didn't really answer the question there, so I'll try framing
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If you're a Canadian who has a firearm that you legally purchased that the Trudeau government
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has declared prohibited, will an O'Toole government make a change that will allow that
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Canadian to keep that firearm legally and use it the way they were prior to the prohibition?
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We do not support this legislation because it's actually dividing Canadians and misleading
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The problem, as much as 80 to 90 percent of the firearms used in illegal activities, mainly
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in large cities, come from illegal smuggling from the United States.
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The Trudeau government has made that worse through inaction at the border in the last four-plus
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And if we can partner with law enforcement provinces and cities to stop that illegal smuggling
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It won't be trying to blame law-abiding people who are farmers, hunters, and sports shooters.
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The terrible attack Mr. Trudeau tried to use in Nova Scotia as some reason for this was
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a terrible attack perpetrated by someone with illegally obtained weapons.
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That needs to be part of the dialogue so that we're not misleading Canadians as the Liberal
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So Aaron O'Toole is clear that he opposes the legislation.
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What he was not clear about is whether he would reverse the prohibitions in May.
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And those prohibitions are actually, in a lot of ways, more meaningful than the bill itself.
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Because the bill does a lot of things that kind of facilitate those prohibitions.
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But the issue is that you can't use any of these guns that the Liberals prohibited because
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So you need someone that's going to go back and say, anything that was a restricted before
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Anything that was a non-restricted before will be non-restricted.
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And make it so that these guns can be used for all the things that they were used for
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The reason this is so important, and there is a lot of debate within the gun-owning community
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about this, is because I want a conservative leader.
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I don't care whether it's conservative, liberal, green, NDP, PPC, libertarian, Christian heritage.
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I want any political leader to stand up and say, you know what, guns owned by legal gun
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owners, by law-abiding Canadians, are not the problem.
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Which means I want the best possible policy from any politician, from any leader.
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People all the time say, well, how dare you criticize this person because you're supposed
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My side is about the issues that I think Canadians care about and should care about, and certainly
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And as a law-abiding gun owner, I care about this.
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So there are a lot of people that have defended Aaron O'Toole's answer, saying, oh, well, no,
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But he can't say it because then the media will go after him.
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The media is, let me tell you, going to go after him no matter what.
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So if you think that him giving a waffly, ambiguous answer about an issue like that
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is going to save him from the scourge of liberal media bias, well, you are sorely mistaken.
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So I actually don't have much time for the, oh, he's playing 3D chess argument that a lot
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In general, this is a longstanding problem where they say, no, no, no, no, no, we, they're
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on our side, but they can't do this until they get in and get a majority.
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We heard that for the entirety of Stephen Harper's premiership from 2006 to 2008.
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He can't do X, Y, Z because he's only just gotten there.
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Then that's when, you know, it's just open the floodgates.
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And I think he was a great steady hand through a very difficult time in Canada for economic
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And the Stephen Harper government did a lot of good.
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But all of the things that hardcore red meat, small C conservatives were promised when he
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Senate reform being one of the big examples of this.
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Dismantling the CBC, the CRTC, taking aim at some of these institutions that have become
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Look at how a lot of these decisions by Harper-appointed justices have landed against free speech and
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other constitutional freedoms in the years since.
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So this idea of just wait until they're in there, then you get what you want, just doesn't
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So I don't have a lot of patience for it when people start defending answers that should
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have been very easy, that aren't given, because of, well, you know what, once he gets in, he's
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If you vote anyone, anyone in on the premise that, well, they didn't say they supported what
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you care about, but you know they do deep down, you're actually sorely disappointed when
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you actually have no leverage that you can use against them once they are in.
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And this is a general idea, by the way, because if you vote someone in based on just this idea
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that maybe they're on side, but you have nothing to hold them accountable with, you're actually
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And I say this for any gun owner or any group that has an issue it cares about.
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Don't expect that someone will be there for you if they're not prepared to take a stand
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for the thing you care about when they are running.
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We heard lots of things from Aaron O'Toole during the leadership that he was going to
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One of them is defunding, well, to be honest, privatizing, fully privatizing the CBC.
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That has to be part of the conservative platform.
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Now, granted, the prohibition had happened by the time the conservative leadership race
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But now that Aaron O'Toole is the leader, I want to hear someone say, yeah, you know what?
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All these gun owners who are sitting on things that are now prohibited, help is on the way.
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If a conservative government is elected, you're going to find that we are there for you.
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Something clear, something concise, and not something that leaves people with more questions
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I would say pro-lifers and gun owners are the two most mobilized, organized groups on
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the right in Canadian politics, or generally on the right.
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But organized issue groups like the gun community and like social conservatives, they are very
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These groups combined, either on their own or together, theoretically, not that they care
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These groups are tremendously powerful and can sway nominations, can sway leaderships,
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And I did an interview with Ezra Levant over at Rebel News yesterday in which I talked about
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And I said, you know, standing up for gun ownership is probably not going to get you
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But not standing up for gun ownership is going to cost you a lot of votes from yourself.
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And people will say, well, I mean, who else are gun owners going to vote for?
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Gun owners may say, well, the conservatives are the best hope, so I'm always going to
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And a lot of them will not bend over backwards if they don't feel they're getting something
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So if you want gun owners to show up, to donate, to vote, to volunteer, to do all of these things,
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So even if you might not pick up votes from the GTA centrist by standing up for the AR-15,
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you are going to lose a lot of votes of people that you need, people that are part of your
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base, if you don't talk to the base, if you don't rely on the base for support.
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So the cautionary tale in all of this is that if a politician or political leader is not going
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to speak up for you before they're in the office they desire, in this case, Canada's
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premiership, there's no guarantee they will speak up for you in office.
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Now, you may say there's no guarantee they will anyway, but you have a lot more leverage
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if you can hold up a promise they've made, a statement they've made previously, to compare
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it against whatever action they eventually take.
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And mark my words, this is not a controversial thing to do.
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This is not a controversial thing for someone to speak up on and say, well, actually, yes,
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we support gun ownership and law-abiding gun owners because they aren't the problem.
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Just as one example here, and I know I talked about a little bit of this on Tuesday, there
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was a great story in the Toronto Sun by Brian Passifume.
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He says, Toronto malls handgun ban, illegal guns still flood city streets.
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And one of the issues I pointed out previously was that we need data collection, is that there
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is no national data for whichever guns are coming from legal origins versus illegal origins.
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And when we do have little isolated pockets of data, we know those data say, in fact, that
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it is smuggling that's the problem, where we're not talking about law-abiding gun owners or
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legal gun owners as having guns that are ending up being used in crime.
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In Toronto, the Toronto police maintain a guns seized Twitter account.
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And if you look through this, which I actually hadn't seen before, so I'm glad that Brian did
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do the deep dive into it, he actually found something that kind of disqualifies what the
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20 of the 23 weapons tweeted since January 1st were handguns, and all but one were prohibited.
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So that means, and granted this is a small sample size, just 23 guns seized this year,
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but of those, the guns were already illegal to buy, which means that prohibiting other
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things probably won't prevent people from buying those, given that it already isn't.
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John Tory's come out just very happy about the federal gun ban, as has Kennedy Stewart,
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The mayor of Montreal was positively gleeful, but she said it doesn't go far enough.
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She doesn't just want municipalities to be able to ban.
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No, she told one of our researchers at True North that she actually wanted even more.
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She wanted a national handgun ban, but you better believe Montreal is probably going to
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be availing itself of its municipal right granted by the liberals to restrict these handguns.
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So you've got the biggest mayor, or the mayors of the biggest cities in Canada that are jumping
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up and down saying, this is great, we can't wait to do this.
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Meaning that now the federal government has basically deputized municipal governments to
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And I hope to goodness this gets challenged, because this opens the door to a lot of other
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issues beyond firearms that we could have problems with.
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What if municipalities could start drafting their own immigration policy?
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What if municipal governments just become these individual city states across Canada
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Now, in some ways this sounds absurd, but I drive home the point that we can't have the
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liberal government just giving power to municipal governments just to do what they lack the
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When we come back, more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
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Here is a battle that is tough to figure out who to support, big tech or big government.
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Seriously, I don't even know which side I'm on.
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I'm kind of leaning towards big tech in this case, which is problematic, given that I've
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typically been very critical of big tech censorship.
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You may remember we even had that panel last week in which we looked at it from all angles,
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But in Australia, there is a game of brinksmanship that, as I termed it anyway, going on between
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the Australian government and Facebook over an absurd bill passed by the government that
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would force tech companies to pay news publishers for the privilege of letting news be shared on
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This is something that was very dangerous, and I actually suspected, as did a lot of
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other people, would become a model for the Canadian approach.
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And it's why I've been so critical of this bill that Stephen Gilbeau is advancing, as well
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as the online hate bill, which is dangerous for other reasons, that would force essentially
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licensing for online publishers, that would start regulating internet publishers the way
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that television and radio stations are, because it opens the door to government doing something
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So the reason I think this is something we need to keep in mind is that the government
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was trying to blame big tech companies for the erosion of local media by saying that Facebook
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is to blame somehow for no one wanting to buy a copy of the Sydney Morning Herald, which
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But the reality of this is that news publishers need Facebook far more than Facebook needs news
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And they banned everyone in the world from sharing Australian news.
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So if you on Facebook, as a Canadian or American or Brit, wherever you are outside of Australia,
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want to share an article from the Sydney Morning Herald or from Quillette or from ABC, the Australian
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And if you're in Australia, you can't share a story either.
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So Australians can, at this point, not get their news from Facebook.
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Now, of course, the Australian government has come out and said that they will not be intimidated
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Scott Morrison, who's the prime minister, decided to get a little bit cheeky.
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But here's the reality of it is that Facebook's answer to this, to why it did it, was, I think,
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A statement from William Easton, the managing director for Facebook Australia and New Zealand,
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For Facebook, the business gain from news is minimal.
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News makes up less than 4% of the content people see in their news feed.
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Journalism is important to a democratic society, which is why we build dedicated free tools to
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support news organizations around the world in innovating their content for online audiences.
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Over the last three years, we've worked with the Australian government to find a solution
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that recognizes the realities of how services work.
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We've long worked toward rules that would encourage innovation and collaboration between digital
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Unfortunately, this legislation does not do that.
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Instead, it seeks to penalize Facebook for content it didn't take or ask for.
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If you are a big tech company, you're not publishing news.
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So it is actually the news publishers that are doing it and willingly putting their content
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Australian news outlets are choosing to use Facebook to share their news.
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They're choosing to invest in social media teams to figure out the best way to make videos,
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the best way to share articles, the best way to share stories.
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They're doing that because they want to, because that's where the audience is.
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Facebook has offered for free a tool that allows news publishers to share their work.
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Facebook will also take money from these news publishers when they want to advertise.
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But again, these publishers who advertise, and not all of them do necessarily, are choosing.
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We think that there is a great product here we are going to spend money on.
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So for government to say that Facebook needs to not just continue to provide that service,
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but must pay to provide that service, is absolutely ridiculous.
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It's a violation of free market principles, and also it's a fundamental inversion of what's
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actually happening and how this dynamic between news and social media is unfolding.
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So this is very much the nuclear option, as Matthew Ingram, who's been great on these
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The company is blocking Australian news publishers and Australian users.
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I didn't realize when it was first announced that it would also extend to Australian outlets
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So even if you are using a proxy server to, if you're an Australian, you're using a proxy
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server to make it seem like you're accessing from one place, you're still not going to be
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able to see Australian content because Australian platforms are banned.
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Claire Lehman, who's the editor-in-chief of Quillette, has said that they're going to look
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Now, I don't know if they were going to do that anyway, or if it's just because of this,
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but the Australian government, by trying to demand Facebook play ball, has now deprived
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Australian citizens of the right to access news.
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Now, there are a lot of things that you can say about big tech companies, about their motivations,
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about what they care about, about what they value, and that's all fair game.
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Facebook operates in some fundamentally unfree parts of the world, and that is not lost on
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People are saying, well, Facebook operates in places that have very strict government regulations
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on content, but in Australia, now they're going after real news.
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But the point is, is that governments that think they can back Facebook into a corner are
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And as was pointed out by one friend of mine, David Clement, he said,
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I'm baffled that Canadian regulators are looking at this nightmare scenario and contemplating
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You've got a Canadian government that still thinks that social media companies can be vilified
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And even if you don't like them, and by the way, it bothers me that I have to take Facebook's
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But even if you don't like these companies, you have to understand that government forcing
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them to behave in a certain way is not going to make them better.
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But Facebook is one example is just saying, you know what?
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And this is not incidentally without precedent.
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Probably six months or seven months before the 2019 federal election.
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Google announced that it would not allow any political advertising.
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Google would not allow any political parties or third party groups to advertise.
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And the reason was they did not think they could be compliant with the new rules that the
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government had put in on political advertising.
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So for these companies, which have GDPs that are larger than nations, many, many nations,
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by the way, for them, complying with these restrictions in Canada, in Australia, in even
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smaller countries is just not worth the hassle in a lot of ways.
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The citizens, the citizens in those countries that for whatever reason, for personal or
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professional reasons, were utilizing these platforms.
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Now, sure, if there were a major regulation by the EU or by the United States government,
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that might be of a size and scale that Facebook and Twitter and Google would have to
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take stock and say, OK, what are we dealing with here?
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But we are like gnats, other countries like Australia and Canada and even the UK to some
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extent, in that it's just not worth the hassle.
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So for Facebook, it's easy to say, you know what, we're just not going to deal with it.
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As much as people like me who are newshounds think that news is like the only reason to
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use social media, 96% of Facebook content is cat videos, personal updates, memes, gifs,
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So capitulating to some government edict in Australia to have to pay for the privilege
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of letting just 4% of your content be on there is not worth it.
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I'd say the government will have to back down because Facebook has proven it just doesn't
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So now the media lobby that was pushing the Australian government is going to have to
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You know, we may have just overplayed our hand a wee wee wee little bit here.
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And good for Facebook in a way, because now other countries around the world are going
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to think twice before they go down the same road.
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It's been a while since we've had a little weird random story because there's been so
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Structube, which is a higher end furniture store.
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It looks very sort of industrial and discounty.
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But the first time I went in there thinking that I was looking around, I'm like, oh, man,
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And they have like so many boutique furniture designers, all of these different lines of
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Now, Structube is under fire because it decided to give Arab male names to a couple of products
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that you might not want your name attached to, namely trash cans.
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Yes, Structube had a $119 dual compartment stainless steel waste bin called Waleed and a $59 garbage
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And I don't know whether we should be more offended by the Arab male names for the garbage
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cans or the fact that it was $59 for a garbage can.
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They vowed to be more careful in the future after people have said that, oh, they're going
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They're going to buy their products from elsewhere.
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And they'll be more thoughtful when naming products in the future.
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Now, the problem with stuff like this is that if you give things any names, they're going
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If you had the Sarah, the Catherine, the Maddie, the Cassie, the whatever, people are going
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to say, oh, well, why are their product names all just white?
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This is, you know, the Wang, this is the Waleed, this is the, I don't, whatever.
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I mean, you could name all sorts of diverse names.
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And if you do that, you got to make sure that only the good products are getting the
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But you can't do the Waleed or the Waseem.
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Now, I don't know if there was any malintent behind it.
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I don't know who was the one at Structube HQ that had to do this.
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But it's like naming schools, which are all being declared hate crimes years later.
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Eventually, we're just only going to have numbers.
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You can name things product one, product two, product three.
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Hurricanes, even hurricane names have been put under the microscope in the last few years
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when people say that, oh, well, it's actually sexist because people don't take the women
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So this is because we all have this deep bias against women and so on and so forth.
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So again, anytime one of these stories happens, it's fun to laugh at.
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But we are moving more and more into a society in which no one wants to do anything for risk
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And with that, we will say farewell to you for today.
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We'll be back next week with more of Canada's most irreverent talk show.
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