Juno News - Guns and Integrity

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.700 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:12.780 Coming up, a look at the massive and historic gun rally in March on Parliament Hill over the weekend.

00:00:20.560 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:24.120 Hello and welcome everyone to another edition of the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North,

00:00:32.120 Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show, September 14th, 2020.

00:00:36.700 It is so great to have you aboard the show.

00:00:39.120 We're going to do things a little bit differently today.

00:00:41.640 I'm going to do a deep dive into an event that I had the great privilege of being at over the weekend,

00:00:46.760 the Integrity March on Parliament Hill.

00:00:49.380 Gun owners, gun advocates, gun rights activists standing up for, basically, integrity from lawmakers.

00:00:55.960 That's what they want.

00:00:57.080 But there's more to that, and that's why I want to spend the show delving into it.

00:01:01.340 First off, this event was hosted by the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.

00:01:05.400 I've spoken with them on the show in the past, and actually when this event was announced,

00:01:10.200 I had its executive director, Rod Giltaka, on to talk about it.

00:01:14.340 That was a few weeks ago.

00:01:15.420 And it was important for me to be there as a gun owner, yes,

00:01:19.300 but also someone who believes in the fundamental principle of liberty and freedom to own property

00:01:25.940 and the right to not have government go in and take that for no reason.

00:01:30.100 And that's really what the gun debate is about in Canada right now.

00:01:33.580 The federal government wanting to scapegoat legal and lawful gun owners

00:01:37.380 for crimes committed by people that aren't following the law,

00:01:40.900 that aren't respecting the rules, and who didn't even access their firearms

00:01:45.200 through the legal mechanisms in Canada.

00:01:47.640 Most notably, the Nova Scotia shooting, where it was used as justification for the government

00:01:52.700 to impose a massive and sweeping ban of 1,500 types of firearms,

00:01:57.400 despite the fact that the Nova Scotia shooter did not have a gun license

00:02:01.100 and obtained none of his firearms legally.

00:02:04.900 But that didn't matter, because for Bill Blair, for Justin Trudeau,

00:02:07.840 for the entire Liberal government, it's all about going after the law-abiding gun owners.

00:02:13.920 And that's why I think there was so much frustration

00:02:16.480 and why people came from literally all over the country

00:02:19.520 to be in Ottawa on a Saturday in the middle of a pandemic.

00:02:23.540 And I think this was a really great display.

00:02:25.920 And I want to talk about all of this, because there was so much that happened

00:02:29.220 at the march itself and also the conversations that I had with people,

00:02:33.380 organizers and attendees outside of that.

00:02:35.900 So let's get right into it here, because I wanted to establish

00:02:39.220 why this event happened in the first place.

00:02:41.960 I was able to get a few minutes with Rod Giltaka on the ground.

00:02:45.500 This was a couple of blocks from the rally site before the march.

00:02:49.120 And I wanted you to hear, in the CCFR's words, why this event was an important one.

00:02:54.580 You and I spoke when this idea first was announced.

00:02:57.360 And the pitch that you put was a really interesting one,

00:03:00.300 and one that we don't hear a lot from gun owners,

00:03:02.220 which is, we want to be seen and we want to be heard.

00:03:04.680 So what's the goal for today?

00:03:06.720 Well, I think we've, over the last couple of decades,

00:03:09.460 we've taken the course of just keeping quiet and minding our own business

00:03:12.780 that hasn't worked.

00:03:13.640 Obviously, we're under assault again for the actions of criminals.

00:03:16.620 And I think our goal today is just to,

00:03:18.900 for gun owners to just be proud of Canadian gun culture.

00:03:22.480 We have a very vibrant gun culture. 0.99

00:03:24.240 Guns are nothing new in Canada.

00:03:25.520 They've been around since before Confederation.

00:03:27.380 It's a very well-adopted culture and well-adjusted.

00:03:34.620 And we just want to be, we want to be noticed by the government

00:03:36.880 because what we've been doing so far in the last year or so

00:03:39.800 just hasn't seemed to be, it hasn't worked.

00:03:42.120 So we just need to be present, I guess.

00:03:44.980 One of the big things I've seen in the gun debate

00:03:47.380 is that you can put forward the best position, the best argument.

00:03:50.760 And in a lot of cases, I don't think that the Liberals,

00:03:53.280 well, we know the Liberals haven't been listening to them.

00:03:55.000 But in a lot of ways, you have to prove the numbers, I think.

00:03:58.220 Because if the argument's not selling people alone,

00:04:00.780 you have to show just how many people are affected by

00:04:03.280 the gun grab that was put into effect a few months ago.

00:04:05.860 How many people are affected by a lot of these things

00:04:08.160 that really don't do anything for crime,

00:04:10.880 but just target the people that are going to be out today.

00:04:14.580 That's absolutely true.

00:04:15.860 That's a totally accurate statement.

00:04:17.960 And gun owners are tired of it.

00:04:19.640 I mean, at the end of the day, I'm just a gun owner too.

00:04:22.560 Trying to get the government out of my life.

00:04:24.180 And no, the Liberals aren't listening.

00:04:26.240 And they have all these numbers.

00:04:28.000 The Liberals know exactly what they're doing, right?

00:04:29.940 It's probably a common misconception that they're not sure,

00:04:32.980 or they're trying a few things, they're really concerned about crime.

00:04:35.780 They are not concerned about crime whatsoever.

00:04:37.580 It's been record shootings in Toronto since the gun ban,

00:04:41.000 you know, months and months ago.

00:04:42.920 And it's not going to stop until we make more noise

00:04:45.840 and say we're Canadians too.

00:04:47.060 We deserve to be respected like everybody else.

00:04:49.360 And that's what we're hoping to accomplish.

00:04:50.720 We obviously know there could be an election at any point.

00:04:54.100 So you don't know who's going to be the prime minister

00:04:56.140 in four, five, six months, let alone a year.

00:04:58.720 We know that there is this amnesty period that was put in

00:05:01.180 with the gun grab, with the AR-15 and so-called assault weapons ban.

00:05:05.180 So things could change in the next little while.

00:05:08.020 Beyond the numbers, beyond these are how many gun owners there are in Canada,

00:05:11.700 what's really the core idea that you think politicians

00:05:14.900 of all sides need to understand about gun owners?

00:05:18.840 Well, gun owners are almost all great people, right?

00:05:22.740 We're vetted daily.

00:05:24.080 There's a very strict licensing regime.

00:05:26.160 I think a lot of Canadians don't understand how difficult it is

00:05:29.200 actually to legally acquire guns.

00:05:31.120 It's far easier to do it illegally.

00:05:33.400 And I think at the end of the day,

00:05:35.440 the democratic principles that we all should share should hold true.

00:05:39.820 So if you want to take something away from hundreds of thousands,

00:05:42.500 if not millions, there's millions of gun owners.

00:05:43.980 But in this case, with the gun ban,

00:05:45.520 there's hundreds of thousands of Canadians affected.

00:05:47.920 If you want to take something away from them,

00:05:49.900 you have to prove that licensed gun owners

00:05:52.180 represent a disproportionate risk to public safety.

00:05:54.720 And the government couldn't care less about proving that.

00:05:56.740 That's why it's a really big problem.

00:05:58.960 The message behind the march, the integrity march,

00:06:01.560 what is it about integrity that you think is connected with gun ownership?

00:06:05.720 Well, there's a forced integrity because we all want to keep our licenses.

00:06:09.900 And I think gun owners typically are more independent people.

00:06:15.100 They want to just be left alone to live their lives and enjoy their lives

00:06:18.380 and have some basic human rights, like the right to own property,

00:06:22.060 which just seems to be a problem in Canada.

00:06:24.520 And we're really more, with this march, we're demanding integrity from government

00:06:28.600 because what the Liberals are doing right now has nothing to do with public safety.

00:06:32.240 It's entirely political.

00:06:33.660 And that lack of integrity, especially when you're holding levers of power,

00:06:37.440 it's just unacceptable.

00:06:39.260 What constitutes in your mind a success at this march?

00:06:42.000 Keeping in mind it is the first time something like this has been done by you,

00:06:45.200 by your organization, and I think the first time any even similar event

00:06:48.160 has happened in almost 30 years.

00:06:50.560 So I think if we're able to rally 1,000 people, that would be just fantastic.

00:06:54.740 I mean, you've got to keep in mind there's a pandemic going on,

00:06:56.820 there's restricted travel, there's a lot of businesses are running at 50% capacity.

00:07:02.620 The hotel can only rent every third room.

00:07:04.920 There's a lot of things going against us.

00:07:06.220 So if we were able to achieve 1,000 people,

00:07:08.700 I think that really speaks volumes to how important guns are

00:07:12.700 and the ability to own and use them are to Canadians.

00:07:15.260 You know, it's quite fascinating.

00:07:16.760 That was, using the lens of hindsight, an interesting discussion

00:07:20.160 because Rod says, you know, a success in his mind is 1,000 people,

00:07:23.700 and it ended up being thousands, plural, thousands of people.

00:07:28.140 I have to talk about crowd size here for a moment

00:07:30.960 because this is one of the most infuriating aspects of any large event.

00:07:35.200 The idea of how many people attended becomes such a political football.

00:07:41.040 And I want to just say, first off, I am terrible at counting people.

00:07:44.000 There could be 30 people in front of me, and I'll probably get the number wrong.

00:07:46.880 So when you're talking about massive hordes of people, thousands of them,

00:07:50.300 I'm not the guy to go to.

00:07:52.520 But I do have to defend against some of the numbers that we know clearly aren't true.

00:07:58.100 So Pauly Sesouviens, which is a Pauly Remembers,

00:08:01.840 it's a gun control activist group that was born from the Polytechnique massacre in Montreal 30 years ago.

00:08:08.240 So they have a visceral loathing for the CCFR.

00:08:12.400 And in fact, they were on Twitter all day nonstop on Saturday and even in the days since

00:08:17.180 trying to say that this was a terrible event, that no one was there, that it didn't matter.

00:08:21.620 They were trying to say there were 800 people there.

00:08:24.140 But one of the concerning parts is that they used as evidence of that

00:08:27.660 a tweet from me that said a police officer said there were 500 to 700 people.

00:08:32.460 The problem is that tweet was more than 30 minutes before the event.

00:08:37.680 And in that 30 minutes, that crowd multiplied in size.

00:08:41.920 And throughout the course of the march, by the time they actually got to the streets,

00:08:45.420 more and more people were there.

00:08:47.120 So the CCFR says there were over 5,000 people there.

00:08:51.240 And if you look, there's this beautiful drone shot that shows everyone

00:08:54.580 lining Spark Street, wrapping around.

00:08:56.920 And it's clear there are thousands of people there.

00:08:59.140 That's more than 800 people.

00:09:00.560 That I know for sure.

00:09:01.500 David Aiken, who's a reporter in Global News' Ottawa Bureau, he says there were easily 4,000 to 5,000.

00:09:08.780 I'm not going to say there were 5,000.

00:09:10.660 I'm not going to say there were 4,000 to 5,000.

00:09:12.440 I'm going to say there were thousands.

00:09:14.700 And it's really telling that the gun control activists are so terrified of this looking legitimate.

00:09:20.860 They're terrified of the idea that there could have been more people than just,

00:09:24.480 oh, you know, a couple of angry and fringe gun owners.

00:09:27.380 And so I have to say, I was not the one that put forward the hundreds myth.

00:09:30.560 I gave one tweet from one police officer I'd spoken to before the event, just while I'm

00:09:35.180 going around and getting the lay of the land.

00:09:37.580 And it's funny, when I corrected the record, Polly did not take it too well.

00:09:42.080 Then they just tweeted something else that I had put out, which, again, didn't really do

00:09:46.240 anything that they were claiming to do.

00:09:47.880 So it is interesting because they've been just nonstop trying to delegitimize it.

00:09:52.660 At one point, they were actually amplifying a tweet from someone that was accusing the

00:09:57.920 CCFR of trying to tell its members not to use social media.

00:10:01.760 This was a really weird one.

00:10:03.580 The tweet was that the CCFR is in a panic now because of pushback on social media.

00:10:08.580 Their web page has an urgent message encouraging members not to use social media any longer,

00:10:13.100 but sign up to a private forum.

00:10:15.080 And I'm like, oh, that's weird.

00:10:15.920 You know, I know Tracy Wilson and Rod Giltaka of CCFR, and I know they like free speech.

00:10:20.940 And I went over to their website.

00:10:22.440 And the evidence that was the basis for this tweet was a graphic asking people to sign up

00:10:28.320 for the CCFR newsletter.

00:10:30.480 Yeah, that was the smoking gun of this.

00:10:34.300 And Tracy had said on Twitter that that's been there for months.

00:10:37.180 So yeah, a little bit of a panic going on among the gun control activists, because one of

00:10:42.960 the hugest parts of this rally is the normalization of gun owners and of gun ownership, because

00:10:48.980 a lot of people, and I say this as someone from London, Ontario, people from communities

00:10:53.380 across the country where guns are not a part of life or daily life, they don't know necessarily

00:10:59.840 that there are 2 million people in Canada licensed to own guns.

00:11:03.620 They don't know that this is just a common thing.

00:11:05.900 I've talked to people, and I'll mention in passing firearms, and they'll say, oh, I didn't

00:11:10.000 know those were legal in Canada.

00:11:11.720 So there is a belief there, which is why normalizing this community of people across

00:11:16.340 the country is important.

00:11:17.680 And that was one of the priorities for this event.

00:11:20.540 It wasn't just about activism or lobbying, which I think are important things to do.

00:11:25.400 It was about showing the media, showing the government, and showing just average everyday

00:11:30.420 Canadians that gun owners are a part of their communities, a part of their country.

00:11:34.820 This was my chat with Tracy Wilson, who's the vice president responsible for public relations

00:11:40.040 and communications of the CCFR.

00:11:42.600 So the idea here is, as angry as we are with the government for their constant attack on

00:11:47.020 legal gun owners rather than actual crime and violence, there's a place for that.

00:11:51.500 And that's the federal court.

00:11:52.740 And we've already filed that.

00:11:54.400 This is a public relations exercise in showing Canadians who we are.

00:11:58.200 And who we are is everyday average folks just like them.

00:12:01.300 We just have an extraordinary sport.

00:12:03.620 So yeah, we're not here to be angry.

00:12:05.580 We're going to march.

00:12:06.480 We've got bagpipes.

00:12:07.500 Everyone loves the bagpipes.

00:12:09.300 And we're just here to have a great time.

00:12:12.100 You're in the middle of a pandemic.

00:12:13.740 I know a lot of people couldn't travel to get here.

00:12:15.940 Police, 30 minutes before the event started, said they were thinking already 700 people

00:12:19.680 were here, probably more now.

00:12:21.800 What's the message you want sent to politicians, to the media, to people all over the country?

00:12:26.000 Well, we keep seeing these polls that say 80% of Canadians approve of firearms bans on legal

00:12:32.100 owners.

00:12:33.080 And yet they can't seem to get over 20,000 signatures on a petition.

00:12:37.120 They can't seem to get more than a couple dozen people to show up at their rallies.

00:12:40.980 And my idea is 100% of Canadians would appreciate credible work on crime and violence right across

00:12:48.500 the country.

00:12:49.160 And that's what we're here to ask.

00:12:50.660 We want, we are demanding integrity in the decisions made by our legislators.

00:12:56.540 When you have gun owners that are showing integrity all day long, every day, that are

00:13:00.800 being vetted, that are secure, that are safe, how do you get that message across to politicians

00:13:05.560 that have their own agenda on what gun ownership is?

00:13:08.920 Well, we're sick and tired of being made a political pawn.

00:13:11.620 And that's exactly what happens.

00:13:13.660 Just during the five years that Justin Trudeau has been in power, violent crime has gone up

00:13:18.180 83%.

00:13:19.120 Shootings are up in the city of Toronto, 83%. 1.00

00:13:22.380 That's not because of your IPSC shooters or your cowboy action shooters or your trap guys

00:13:27.520 or your hunters.

00:13:28.460 And everybody knows it.

00:13:30.200 So we're going to prove it.

00:13:31.320 We're going to keep showing Canadians the mistakes he's making.

00:13:35.020 Whether or not you think I should have this gun or that gun, you know full well it isn't

00:13:38.540 me out there committing the violence.

00:13:40.800 That was a great perspective.

00:13:42.000 And I like what she said about it not being about anger, but about public relations, about

00:13:47.280 PR, about saying, hey, this is who we are.

00:13:49.460 We're not going anywhere.

00:13:50.620 And let me say it was just fantastically organized.

00:13:53.780 And as far as rallies go or protests to use the broader term, one thing that I found really

00:13:59.320 interesting is how focused the event was.

00:14:02.660 And this is key because most times protests, especially of the left-wing varieties, they

00:14:08.420 become this hodgepodge and amalgam of every grievance imaginable.

00:14:12.920 And Black Lives Matter is the most recent example of this, where it's about protesting black 0.99

00:14:17.260 lives.

00:14:17.700 And then it's also about defund police.

00:14:19.380 And then it also becomes about anti-Israel.

00:14:21.920 Like they just become about everything.

00:14:23.760 And yeah, there were people here that had signs that were, you know, Trudeau treason and

00:14:27.520 sort of your garden variety anti-Trudeau protesters.

00:14:30.480 But for the most part, and I'm not going to say exclusively, it seemed like this was a really

00:14:35.820 hyper-focused event.

00:14:37.860 Everyone there wanted the same thing, which was to stand up for gun ownership and gun rights. 0.84

00:14:43.220 And not everyone was a gun owner.

00:14:45.080 This was the most interesting part.

00:14:46.840 There were a lot of people, and I'm going to play some of the interviews that I did with

00:14:50.720 attendees later on in the show.

00:14:52.760 Some of the people were just there as allies, basically, to use the left-wing term, because

00:14:57.140 they realized that if you allow gun ownership to go down this road of being denied recognition

00:15:02.920 by the government, it's only a matter of time before the government will push that envelope

00:15:07.780 further to restrict what is ostensibly a private property right issue.

00:15:12.600 And there is a need in Canada to preserve property rights.

00:15:16.660 But I want to, just for those of you who want to see some of the pomp and ceremony of

00:15:20.140 the event, play this clip.

00:15:21.140 This was when the bagpipers, which ended up leading the march around its route, had come

00:15:26.420 in to get things started off.

00:15:56.420 I know, I actually didn't realize this, because I had tweeted out that clip.

00:16:04.440 I thought everyone loved bagpipers, but apparently they're quite contentious.

00:16:07.600 Some people are not fans.

00:16:08.860 I like them, but if you don't, it was just 30 seconds, so I hope you don't mind indulging

00:16:12.940 me on that one.

00:16:13.700 But it was actually really good, because everyone seemed to enjoy and fall in line, and I mean

00:16:18.500 that in a literal sense, and take the parade route with some nice music along the journey

00:16:23.060 as well.

00:16:23.460 And it was actually very short.

00:16:25.120 I mean, Ottawa's downtown is very walkable.

00:16:27.420 The only stop was a stop at CBC headquarters, but we'll get to that later on in the show.

00:16:33.660 One of the points that was raised in my chat with Tracy Wilson earlier is how it's not about

00:16:39.860 politicians.

00:16:40.760 And this was also interesting, because rallies tend to typically amass this endless list

00:16:46.500 of speakers and people wanting to shoehorn their way in.

00:16:49.460 And I don't know who she was talking about, but Tracy Wilson had said there were some people

00:16:53.640 that were like, yeah, do you want me to speak?

00:16:55.580 And they're like, no, it's not really about speeches.

00:16:57.660 It's just about being there.

00:16:59.120 So it's not for politicians, but I do think that there is an importance in highlighting the

00:17:04.920 political response to it.

00:17:06.480 Now, Bill Blair was asked about it by the media and just said nothing about the rally itself.

00:17:11.660 He put out a statement just reaffirming the government's commitment to gun control and defending 0.88

00:17:16.680 the ban and all of that stuff didn't actually address, hey, how do you deal with the fact

00:17:20.560 that thousands of people have traveled from all over the country to protest what your government

00:17:25.980 is doing, not just from a few blocks away, but people have gotten on planes for this,

00:17:30.120 including, by the way, and I didn't get a chance to speak to them, Olympic athletes.

00:17:33.720 We had the Team Canada.

00:17:35.100 People don't realize shooting is an Olympic sport.

00:17:37.500 And we had people from the Canadian Olympic and competition team that were at that event

00:17:42.400 on the weekend.

00:17:43.080 So that was, I think, tremendous as well.

00:17:44.540 How does the government stand up for Canadian excellence while denigrating and delegitimizing

00:17:50.480 an aspect that is literally an Olympic-class sport in Canada?

00:17:55.520 But I digress.

00:17:56.420 I did catch up with Bob Zimmer, who's always been a big supporter of our work here at True

00:18:01.000 North, a Conservative member of Parliament who was not there as a speaker.

00:18:04.560 He was in the crowd marching, and we spent a couple of moments.

00:18:07.940 Now, unfortunately, we had to cut the interview short because of the aforementioned bagpipers,

00:18:13.400 but we'll happily get Bob back on the show at another point.

00:18:16.420 This was our conversation.

00:18:17.680 Bob, why is it important for you as an MP to march alongside the gun owners and gun rights

00:18:23.180 advocates here today?

00:18:24.480 Well, I am one myself.

00:18:25.600 First of all, it's something that I've been passionate about for about nine years, about

00:18:29.640 defending firearms rights in Canada from an old Frank-Gary Brackwrights back in the day.

00:18:34.180 And it's something that seems like the battle never ends.

00:18:36.280 You know, we talked about the long gun registry.

00:18:37.840 We got that fixed when we were in government, and now we see a new registry plus a whole

00:18:41.740 bunch of other things, the bans.

00:18:43.560 We always have to keep up the fight or else they'll take them all if they can.

00:18:46.780 Yeah, and that was the big problem.

00:18:48.020 We had some major advances under the Stephen Harper government for gun ownership, and you

00:18:51.600 get a liberal government in there for a couple of years, and you're not only back a couple

00:18:55.800 of steps, but even back worse off than where you were before in many respects.

00:18:59.580 So how do you change the culture, not just the government, but change the culture so that no matter 0.88

00:19:04.240 who is in government, there's at least a base for gun rights? 0.62

00:19:07.660 I think it's a great question about, and it highlights what CCFR has done.

00:19:11.560 I think Rod Giltak, anybody that's watched his videos on YouTube, just about the common

00:19:15.920 sense firearms approach.

00:19:17.740 And I think once more Canadians understand that firearms can be operated safe, and it's

00:19:22.120 part of our heritage, and it's been done so for the last, you know, 400 years really,

00:19:26.340 and understand that it can be done that way.

00:19:28.160 I think the better the understanding is, the better the culture has changed.

00:19:30.800 And I think CCFR is, I'd say, the best group doing that.

00:19:35.480 CSSA is another group.

00:19:36.580 There's other good firearms groups out there doing that.

00:19:38.940 But it's really a constant thing that we need to, I'm a former teacher, so we need to educate

00:19:43.400 folks on how to do this safely, and that it can be done in Canada that way.

00:19:47.100 And taking away firearms from Canadians doesn't make, doesn't take the guns away from gang 0.83

00:19:52.460 members, or stop them from coming across the border.

00:19:55.260 We need to deal with those real problems.

00:19:56.860 So I think that was great.

00:19:57.760 But again, I must stress, this was most interesting, and I mean no offense to Bob here, because

00:20:02.320 of the ordinary, everyday people that came literally from all over the country.

00:20:07.580 I met people from BC, from Alberta, from the East Coast, from Quebec, from Yukon.

00:20:12.320 We'll talk to DJ Sumanik, who is Yukon Strong, in just a few moments.

00:20:16.680 But I wanted to put together just a little montage of some of the average, ordinary folks

00:20:21.060 that we spoke with that were there, because they realized that there is an attack that is

00:20:26.320 at play from the government on lawful gun owners, that scapegoating phenomenon that I mentioned

00:20:32.200 earlier.

00:20:32.880 We came because I'm on things since I'm a kid.

00:20:37.120 We love to do all that stuff.

00:20:41.880 I love my arms.

00:20:43.760 I'm really safe.

00:20:45.700 And it's not fair to take our firearms from us.

00:20:49.440 How is the culture in Quebec around guns?

00:20:53.580 Because in English Canada, in a lot of the cities, people don't know that guns exist.

00:20:58.040 They don't know they're legal.

00:20:58.840 They don't know anything about them.

00:20:59.880 In the rural areas, it's a bit different.

00:21:01.840 How is it in Quebec?

00:21:02.760 Do people generally support gun ownership or no?

00:21:05.720 But the people that I know, they are.

00:21:08.240 There's a bunch, a little bunch in Montreal that are against the firearms.

00:21:15.060 But the government, they do the easy way.

00:21:18.280 So they attack us, which are an easy prey.

00:21:23.580 Instead of the criminals, the people with the mentally ill and all that stuff. 0.93

00:21:30.940 So they don't target the right people.

00:21:33.800 Well, criminality will remain.

00:21:37.020 That won't change anything.

00:21:39.240 So many people feel misunderstood.

00:21:44.260 And many people don't talk.

00:21:47.860 We say in French, they talk about things they don't know.

00:21:52.620 They don't, you know.

00:21:53.820 So it's quite easy.

00:21:55.680 But when you start to learn about it, he's been on things since the age of 12 with his father, grandfather and all that.

00:22:02.900 And so it's a way of getting together.

00:22:06.620 And now his son is joining us on things and the kids and all that.

00:22:11.520 So it's good for social gathering.

00:22:14.800 So why are you here all the way from Brampton for this?

00:22:16.920 It's my right.

00:22:17.980 And it's a lot of property that I lost to Trudeau.

00:22:20.640 Yeah, I lost about 17.

00:22:23.980 Other than ARs, I lost about 17 other guns, shotguns and other stuff.

00:22:28.540 And this is just because the government one day decided that certain things should be illegal just because they want them to be?

00:22:35.260 I don't know.

00:22:36.440 It's just like Trudeau just wake up in the morning and then make up his mind.

00:22:41.720 I don't know what's the criteria for banning the guns.

00:22:46.400 I have no idea.

00:22:47.320 I'm an instructor myself.

00:22:48.660 But it's really complicated how they figure out which ones you shouldn't own.

00:22:54.120 It's quite confusing.

00:22:56.080 Why is it important to take a stand at an event like this with what you're going through?

00:23:02.300 Sooner or later, you need to.

00:23:05.520 I mean, we're facing C-68 since 1998, 2000.

00:23:10.640 Sooner or later, you're going to lose your right.

00:23:14.160 And it's not just the gun owners who are losing their rights.

00:23:17.800 It's almost by the time we leave this country, your kids and my kids probably will not have any right.

00:23:26.580 Mostly the government will tell them, oh, you need to wake up at 7 o'clock in the morning.

00:23:31.960 It's too early.

00:23:32.720 Okay, turn the lights off sort of thing.

00:23:34.460 Yeah.

00:23:34.760 My name is Ron Gradanis.

00:23:36.120 I'm from Stetler, Alberta.

00:23:37.160 I have a farm in Stetler and I decided to come out here to the Integrity March because I want my kids to have a hope and a future later on.

00:23:45.120 I thought, you know, the anthem is, it's the true north strong and free.

00:23:49.720 But the way we're going, it's going to be the true north oppressed and repressed. 0.98

00:23:53.620 And I just can't stand by and do nothing for my kids' future.

00:23:56.820 What am I going to leave for them if I don't stand against this basic disrespect to democracy and everything that we stand for?

00:24:07.080 Like, we're going to have Remembrance Day here on November 11th.

00:24:09.760 And there's a whole pile of people that died and gave their life and bled for freedom and truth.

00:24:14.940 This, what we got going on right now here in Canada, this isn't it.

00:24:18.060 This order in council is just, it's symbolic.

00:24:21.240 We no longer have property rights.

00:24:22.700 We no longer have freedom.

00:24:23.600 The government doesn't trust us.

00:24:24.760 If we don't stand up and do something, then what are we going to leave our kids?

00:24:29.440 There are a lot of people that would say the gun issue isn't the one that should be the hill to die on.

00:24:34.480 But you're saying that this issue is really connected to a lot of other things that are central to freedom for your kids and their future.

00:24:40.700 Why is that?

00:24:42.360 You know, I was born in the Netherlands.

00:24:46.700 And when the Nazis marched into Holland and took it over, they took, the first thing they did is they came in, 0.90

00:24:52.900 they took away the guns because they didn't trust the people, they wanted to oppress the people, they wanted to do whatever.

00:24:57.660 It is not the hill to die on for guns because guns don't kill people, people do, but it is the start of something.

00:25:03.600 It is very symbolic.

00:25:05.060 When you take away guns from people, what you're doing is you're saying, we no longer trust you.

00:25:09.760 You don't have the freedom that you have.

00:25:12.140 You don't have a right to private property.

00:25:14.300 You don't have a right to whatever.

00:25:15.840 We're going to control you.

00:25:17.000 And that's the bigger crux of the matter.

00:25:19.860 Is it guns?

00:25:20.680 Is it not guns?

00:25:23.280 It's the symbolism that's involved in it.

00:25:25.440 So I mentioned Yukon Strong earlier.

00:25:27.600 I'd be remiss to not specifically play my longer interview with him.

00:25:31.860 Now, this is DJ Sumanik, who's a wilderness guide and multimedia personality in, as his name would suggest, Yukon.

00:25:39.080 Yukon Strong, I told him I actually had forgotten his first name because he just only goes by Yukon Strong on social media typically.

00:25:46.080 But DJ and I had a chat.

00:25:48.680 Interestingly enough, when he and I spoke, I had wanted to connect with him.

00:25:52.220 And in the lead up to the event, he and I had been tweeting back and forth of like, you know, see you there, looking forward to it.

00:25:56.580 So I was glad he actually sought me out and we were able to have a chat right in front of Center Block on Parliament Hill.

00:26:02.740 But why this is interesting is because he actually is from the north.

00:26:07.480 And a lot of the time, what happens is people like Bill Blair and Justin Trudeau try to view the north in an abstract sense, not in its literal sense, as being distinct from everywhere else in the country when it comes to gun ownership.

00:26:21.240 And they do this because they don't want to raise the ire of indigenous communities and rural folks in the north when they go after the guns.

00:26:28.120 They say, oh, no, no, no.

00:26:28.840 Well, they need them.

00:26:29.900 You don't.

00:26:30.980 And they'll say this.

00:26:31.600 They'll say, oh, well, you know, Yukon Strong might need a gun, but you, Andrew, in London, you don't.

00:26:35.560 Someone in Toronto doesn't.

00:26:36.960 And the problem is that rights are rights.

00:26:38.900 You can't start putting in different classes of citizens, which is one of the big issues. 0.81

00:26:43.180 So that was one of the things I actually had wanted to talk about with DJ.

00:26:46.380 But here's our interview on Saturday.

00:26:48.300 Why was it worth it?

00:26:49.200 Why was it worth making the trek to Ottawa for this?

00:26:51.520 You know, there's about 50 reasons.

00:26:54.940 I could say each one as valid as the last.

00:26:57.380 But, you know, I think, honestly, I came here today to get an answer to a question.

00:27:04.280 And I would ask everyone out there watching this, what is missing from this country right now?

00:27:10.860 And I would suggest that it is leadership.

00:27:13.640 This country is lacking leadership on every front.

00:27:17.180 And everywhere you turn, there's encroachments, incremental encroachments, infringements, just tiny little aggressions to our civil liberties, our financial well-being.

00:27:31.600 And firearms are very important to me.

00:27:34.180 You know, I was raised in the bush up there in the Yukon.

00:27:38.080 I started out on a trapline with my father.

00:27:40.680 You know, hunting has been an integral part of my life.

00:27:43.120 And at the end of the day, what we did here today, it's just a smaller piece of a much larger problem that's growing in Canada.

00:27:51.040 And, you know, I would suggest that everyone that came down here today, they're the leaders that this country needs right now.

00:27:58.500 They all had the courage and the bravery to come out and step up and stand for what's right.

00:28:04.200 Because what's happening right now is not okay with this OIC ban.

00:28:08.920 And, like, we're just, you know, clapping on the end of democracy in many respects.

00:28:14.580 Because no matter how you feel about firearms in this country, moving forward, the door is wide open now for every future government to treat any class of citizen just like we're being treated.

00:28:25.740 And it's going to be big trouble if we don't wake up soon.

00:28:29.940 One of the challenges I find being a gun owner in a suburban city in Canada is that a lot of the people that want to ban guns, they'll draw lines around people like you.

00:28:39.480 They'll say, now, we're not talking about taking them away from people in the north or people in indigenous communities where guns are, as you mentioned, a bit more of a way of life.

00:28:48.220 Do you agree with that segregation of gun ownership?

00:28:51.800 Or do you think your right as a northerner is the same as someone from Toronto or Vancouver?

00:28:55.180 Well, the first thing I'd like to suggest is that the people that are forming this information or opinions about this dynamic that's going on right now is they're being deliberately misinformed, right?

00:29:10.940 So they're operating on an opinion that doesn't have all the facts.

00:29:16.800 And they can say, yeah, okay, well, it's different if you're living out in the bush or you're different in downtown.

00:29:22.300 But it's not really. I had to fly down here across the country, right, because there's a bunch of people who I've never met.

00:29:30.060 You know, my firearms have never come to the streets of Toronto.

00:29:33.500 My firearms were not involved in Nova Scotia.

00:29:36.540 Yet you're telling me that somehow I'm such a potential threat that I have to be criminally targeted by the government.

00:29:44.920 It's absurd. You know, I don't object to, you know, the urban Ottawa, Toronto way of life.

00:29:51.800 They can have their world and live however they want to live. That's fine.

00:29:56.240 I would just like the same thing.

00:29:58.080 And it doesn't really matter where the firearm is located.

00:30:02.520 The problem that we're dealing with right now is that there are good people, there are bad people.

00:30:06.500 We need more mental health. We need more funding to bring education and awareness to this issue.

00:30:16.060 Because until we address the person who has homicidal intent, that's really the root of it.

00:30:23.120 It's never going to get better no matter what laws are passed.

00:30:26.900 And the proof's in the pudding now.

00:30:28.560 The ban was May 1st.

00:30:30.320 Gun crime, according to Brian Lilly yesterday, he says it's up 12% since the ban.

00:30:35.060 I think 24% since last year.

00:30:39.080 And now we're moving into 80% territory since Trudeau took over in 2015.

00:30:45.020 So whatever he's suggesting is clearly, clearly not working whatsoever.

00:30:49.580 It's making things worse.

00:30:50.980 Yeah, and we saw that, as I've spoken about with some other people here in the wake of the Nova Scotia shooting.

00:30:55.380 It didn't matter that the killer was unlicensed and his guns weren't legally owned.

00:30:59.360 That was really the straw that the Trudeau government needed to, in its mind, put forward this ban,

00:31:04.380 and suggesting it wanted to no matter what.

00:31:06.560 And I do think your perspective is an interesting one.

00:31:08.820 Because you understand the utility of firearms, completely separate from the violence of them.

00:31:14.340 And there are a lot of people in the media, people in the left in Canada, certainly a lot of the gun control activists,

00:31:19.800 that because they have lived in the same few square kilometers in Toronto or Vancouver or Montreal,

00:31:24.960 they don't know that guns are a way of life for people.

00:31:29.800 Yeah, see, this is, they see that as kind of like an alien planet.

00:31:35.140 But for me to come here and join a huge group of people that wear firearms are not a way of their life,

00:31:41.140 that's an alien planet for me.

00:31:42.980 You know, and that's what Canadians all across the country need to remember,

00:31:46.820 that there are different lifestyles.

00:31:48.820 This is a huge country, we're at different stages in development.

00:31:52.060 And, you know, for me, I don't think I could ever live in a big city like this.

00:31:56.900 The outdoors, it's part of my soul.

00:31:59.420 You know what I mean?

00:32:00.160 Like, that is my world.

00:32:02.100 But I understand, you know, there is a real problem with criminal behavior down here,

00:32:07.780 particularly in Toronto.

00:32:09.500 I do understand that something needs to be done to address it.

00:32:12.940 But I'd like to, you know, look at helping out police, like I said, mental health, things like that,

00:32:19.520 community outreach, things that address the root problem of the crime.

00:32:23.540 Because if you take away these guns, they're just going to find another way.

00:32:26.900 They're going to start stabbing each other.

00:32:28.720 They're going to start running people over, you know.

00:32:31.700 The thing, like you brought up Nova Scotia, you know, nine of the victims there,

00:32:37.500 that was absolutely tragic.

00:32:39.120 They were killed via arson.

00:32:42.340 And, you know, I understand that that type of behavior must be stopped at all costs.

00:32:49.920 But I was on the other side of the country.

00:32:54.400 I had nothing to do with that.

00:32:56.900 The gun owners in Nova Scotia had nothing to do with that.

00:33:00.440 Banning my firearms is not going to stop gun smuggling.

00:33:03.320 That is how he got those firearms.

00:33:04.760 He had a deliberate, methodical plan.

00:33:08.300 And until we address that compulsion for people to engage in that behavior,

00:33:13.620 it's going to happen again.

00:33:14.740 It's going to happen again.

00:33:16.060 And a ban is just, it's all, I think personally,

00:33:19.820 the main reason that Justin's trying to do this ban is he's looking for political division

00:33:24.720 so that he can say, vote for us, we'll save you.

00:33:26.700 I must say it was just so tremendously enjoyable to be around normal people.

00:33:31.700 And I say that with no offense to the people I encounter in my day-to-day life.

00:33:35.980 But let's face it, when you have people that are from a, I say niche community,

00:33:40.820 not in a judgmental way, but just a specific community that are all in one place that you

00:33:45.840 can talk about.

00:33:46.520 I mean, it's the only place where, you know, jokes about guns, jokes about politicians,

00:33:51.240 talking about all this stuff, where you like know you're going to land it with whoever

00:33:55.080 you're talking to because everyone is in agreement on a lot of key issues.

00:33:58.360 So that was pretty fun.

00:34:00.160 And I really enjoyed that.

00:34:01.200 And I do have to say, we went there as a responsibility to gun owners in our audience

00:34:07.040 and our entire audience, even people who aren't gun owners.

00:34:10.040 I've actually had emails from people over the last few days that are like, you know,

00:34:13.860 listen, True North, you've lost me because I don't like guns.

00:34:16.440 And some of these people, all of them I've responded to, but some of them I've actually

00:34:22.200 won over by explaining, listen, I mean, you don't need to like guns to understand what

00:34:26.640 is at play here.

00:34:27.620 You don't need to want guns to understand why rights need to be stood up for, why the

00:34:32.940 rule of law needs to be stood up for.

00:34:34.720 And some people are like, I don't care.

00:34:36.080 I'm unsubscribing to which I say, all right, have fun.

00:34:38.660 But I have to thank all of you at True North out there, the True North Nation audience that

00:34:44.420 we rely on so heavily to do the work we do for not just paying attention and watching

00:34:49.480 and listening and reading and all of that, which we appreciate for those who have contributed

00:34:53.240 financially to send me to Ottawa, to send us to all of the places where news is happening

00:34:58.440 that we want to be on the ground for.

00:35:00.300 Thank you very much.

00:35:01.620 You know, I was so moved by all of the people there that like came up to me and I'm not a

00:35:07.620 celebrity.

00:35:08.040 I'm like a Z-list celebrity or Z-list celebrity, but all the people that came up and were saying,

00:35:12.900 hey, you know, can I get a picture with you?

00:35:14.240 And, you know, thank you so much for all the work you do.

00:35:16.540 That is so important.

00:35:17.960 I mean, independent media, I've talked about this in the past.

00:35:21.220 We are up against a lot of barriers.

00:35:23.140 You know, when I was covering the liberal campaign in October, you know, I had cops called

00:35:27.660 on me.

00:35:28.120 I was, you know, relegated to the parking lot.

00:35:30.520 So to be anywhere where I'm welcomed is very nice and specifically this sort of crowd.

00:35:35.500 I was so appreciative of everyone there.

00:35:37.820 Tracy Wilson, when she was speaking, had actually given a shout out to independent media and I wasn't

00:35:44.040 filming at that exact time, but it was heard and appreciated.

00:35:47.220 And I thank everyone there who has supported.

00:35:49.480 I had people coming up that were saying, hey, I'm going to donate just because you're

00:35:52.220 here.

00:35:52.600 And it's about all of the journalism we're doing.

00:35:55.260 This is a key part of it, though, because we know the mainstream media is not favorably

00:36:00.260 covering gun owners and gun ownership.

00:36:02.660 And part of it's because they don't get it.

00:36:04.660 They don't understand it.

00:36:05.820 They've never been around it.

00:36:07.020 But it is also important to understand that you have an obligation to address deficiencies

00:36:14.580 in your knowledge when confronted them.

00:36:16.660 And that's where a lot of people in the media stop short.

00:36:19.740 They don't actually take it upon themselves to learn about this aspect of Canada.

00:36:24.820 And at first it was apparent there was no media there, no mainstream media.

00:36:28.460 Near the end of the March, we did see some.

00:36:31.060 There was a CTV truck that was filming.

00:36:33.340 There was a Canadian press photographer going around.

00:36:35.720 Now, we don't know if they had planned to cover it or if they just looked out their office

00:36:39.020 windows and saw how many people were there and were saying, shoot, we better get in.

00:36:43.180 We better do this.

00:36:44.720 But it was interesting because the event stopped at CBC headquarters on Sparks Treater.

00:36:50.440 It's Ottawa headquarters.

00:36:52.160 And Rod Giltaka had said, hey, we're here.

00:36:55.240 Are you coming out to cover us?

00:36:56.620 I have to get 4,000 people to stand around your building for them to be treated like normal

00:37:01.200 Canadians.

00:37:02.420 We're here to see us.

00:37:05.720 And they did end up covering.

00:37:14.640 They did.

00:37:15.000 Tracy, I saw later, was doing an interview with a Radio Canada reporter.

00:37:19.420 But even so, there is a significant question to be asked here about the media approach to

00:37:24.420 this.

00:37:24.640 I caught up with Sheila Gunn-Reed, who is the chief reporter at Rebel News, and asked her

00:37:29.260 about this.

00:37:29.740 Some of the themes that brought her and I there.

00:37:32.380 We both flew in to cover this event, why it was so important for us to be there.

00:37:37.180 Sheila, I know you're a longtime gun owner, gun advocate.

00:37:40.040 You've got the sweater to go along with it here.

00:37:41.900 But let me ask you from the media perspective, because you and I, I think, are probably here

00:37:46.020 for the same reason, which is that if we aren't, there will be no media here to cover it.

00:37:50.520 And again, if someone shows up and proves us wrong, great.

00:37:53.140 But is that your thought going into this?

00:37:54.640 I think that it could go one of two ways.

00:37:57.760 We will either have nobody here to cover it, because when you are following the media coverage

00:38:03.300 of the recent gun grab, from the mainstream media, it seems to be overwhelmingly in support

00:38:10.560 of the gun grab.

00:38:11.500 When you see their polling, their polling numbers, it demonstrates, at least in their narrative,

00:38:18.560 that the majority of Canadians are foreign assault weapons banned.

00:38:21.800 Well, so am I.

00:38:23.220 That's why they've been banned forever.

00:38:25.720 And so that's been the narrative from the mainstream media.

00:38:28.560 Are they going to come out here and bust their own narrative?

00:38:31.260 I'm not so sure about that.

00:38:33.100 Or secondarily, we could have mainstream media come out to show this rally for something that

00:38:39.320 it's not.

00:38:40.380 You know, overwhelmingly male, a bunch of angry white people chanting and holding signs, 0.99

00:38:46.680 radical, extremist, racist, add your ex-ists at the end of it. 0.97

00:38:50.980 So, you know, I'm just here to show the other side of the story, and I think you're here

00:38:55.460 to do the same thing.

00:38:56.680 Yeah, you raise a good point there.

00:38:58.160 I mean, there are generally a couple of key things that the media will do at events like

00:39:01.700 this.

00:39:02.180 If the crowd size is of a certain size, they'll say, oh, it's embarrassing, no one came out.

00:39:06.240 And if it's above that size, then they'll say, oh, it was angry rioters.

00:39:09.140 And we see that with the March for Life, you know, one of the largest events to happen

00:39:12.700 on Parliament Hill, always peaceful.

00:39:14.620 And there's a mischaracterization of it there.

00:39:17.080 And I mean, sure, to some extent, you could say all news is good news, but there is a

00:39:20.840 real issue in Canada and in the Canadian media where, and this is, I mean, what's behind

00:39:25.480 the organization of this, gun owners need to be normalized and say, hey, there are millions

00:39:29.680 of us.

00:39:30.140 We're here.

00:39:30.440 We're not hurting you.

00:39:31.320 And I would hope that no matter how the media covers it, a lot of ordinary Canadians who

00:39:36.160 may not know that gun ownership is as ubiquitous as it is, will say, oh, wow, I didn't know

00:39:40.680 that was so normal in Canada.

00:39:42.140 Well, I think, though, that silence from gun owners or that quiet gun ownership in Canada

00:39:49.480 comes from a history of confiscations.

00:39:51.900 You know, as gun owners, you don't want to come out and say, well, I own an AR-15 because

00:39:57.060 you've just identified yourself as now somebody who owns a firearm that you obtained legally

00:40:03.600 that is now something that should be confiscated.

00:40:07.180 So there's this quiet gun ownership in Canada and that culture of confiscation and that culture

00:40:13.400 of control from Ottawa has sort of fostered that.

00:40:15.920 It's very different than what you see in the United States.

00:40:20.180 And again, you know, when lawful firearms owners are continually scapegoated, I think, by the

00:40:28.520 federal government for crimes and gang violence happening in Canada's major cities like Toronto,

00:40:35.400 I mean, the government is clearly taking the path of least resistance.

00:40:39.620 You are going after these lawful, law-abiding people who always follow the rules as terrible

00:40:45.640 as they are and as onerous as they are.

00:40:50.460 Hopefully, what will happen today, and I'm confident that from the outside looking in,

00:40:58.060 you're just going to see a bunch of very normal, average Canadians who look like your neighbours 0.73

00:41:03.420 because they are your neighbours, standing up for private property ownership.

00:41:07.740 Yeah, and that in and of itself is a hurdle in this day and age of having private property ownership respected.

00:41:13.880 I mean, we're in a period right now where statues are coming down, monuments are coming down,

00:41:17.720 not far from here in Montreal.

00:41:19.180 So, even that basic premise that you could argue with to someone who's not a gun owner of,

00:41:24.780 okay, well, what if someone were to come and take another piece of property?

00:41:27.940 There are a lot of people in this country that that argument wouldn't really hold water

00:41:31.220 because they don't even respect that core property right as existing.

00:41:35.240 Right.

00:41:35.540 I mean, for Canadian gun owners, they did everything right.

00:41:40.480 They followed all the steps.

00:41:41.640 They did everything that was required of them by the government, and yet, overnight,

00:41:47.880 their lawful property was basically outlawed, and now they have to wait for the government

00:41:53.200 to tell them what it's worth so that they could possibly be compensated for it

00:41:58.640 or face criminal charges for not turning their firearms in.

00:42:04.300 For the average person who doesn't own a firearm, that's like one day waking up and finding that

00:42:09.760 your car, that you did everything right to obtain, you bought it yourself, you got your driver's

00:42:14.820 license, you insured it, you woke up one day and they said, I'm sorry, your car goes too fast

00:42:20.200 or it's black or it looks scary or the tires are too big, sorry, you can't have it anymore.

00:42:25.940 That's what, and we'll tell you how much it's worth when you give it to us or we're going to

00:42:29.820 throw you in the slammer.

00:42:30.680 That's what's happened to Canadian gun owners here. 0.96

00:42:32.960 I've got to ask you about the shirt, firearm rights or human rights?

00:42:35.840 Now, if you say something is a human right in 2020, it's a trump card over everything else.

00:42:40.180 So do you think this is the winning argument?

00:42:42.060 Actually, I would even go a little further and maybe pull a card out of my social justice

00:42:47.700 deck and say firearms rights are women's rights. 1.00

00:42:50.620 We're the smaller, fairer sex firearms are the equalizer. 1.00

00:42:54.760 Now, in Canada, we don't even have the right to self-defense in the way that American women do. 1.00

00:42:59.480 But for, you know, for Canadians, it's a human right because we have a human right to own property.

00:43:08.540 It was always great chatting with Sheila.

00:43:10.420 We always have such an amazing time whenever we run into each other at events.

00:43:14.180 I've hung out with her in England and Calgary and Ottawa.

00:43:17.100 I'm sure there's probably another city.

00:43:18.280 Oh, in Toronto.

00:43:19.120 She was at the Independent Press Gallery fireside chats a few weeks ago.

00:43:22.960 It's always a grand old time.

00:43:24.320 And I was so appreciative that I had a few minutes to catch up with her in Ottawa on the weekend.

00:43:29.780 But that was a wrap.

00:43:30.900 And you know what?

00:43:31.480 I had such an amazing time.

00:43:32.980 But there was, more importantly, such an important story to be told there.

00:43:37.080 So I thank, again, all of you who contributed to make that coverage happen.

00:43:41.480 I thank all of you who watched the coverage and are watching this.

00:43:44.040 Please do let me know what you think in the comments.

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00:43:55.940 So please do head on over to tnc.news slash donate and you can contribute.

00:44:01.860 And we very much appreciate it.

00:44:03.620 But I want to end, not with my words, but end with a little bit of the wrap-up of the Integrity March,

00:44:09.440 the CCFR's event on Parliament Hill.

00:44:11.880 Thank you.

00:44:12.580 God bless.

00:44:13.200 And good day, Canada.

00:44:14.040 Congratulate yourselves.

00:44:15.360 We made history today.

00:44:16.860 We had a great march.

00:44:27.340 Nobody got hurt.

00:44:28.960 No buildings were burned.

00:44:30.280 No one was assaulted.

00:44:31.380 No garbage got left behind.

00:44:32.680 Isn't that something?

00:44:40.600 I thought we were dangerous.

00:44:42.020 When I get back on Twitter, I can't wait to rub it in their faces.

00:44:52.740 A big thank you to all you hardworking, salt of the earth, good, decent people who came out here today.

00:45:00.740 True freedom-loving Canadians!

00:45:11.660 True freedom-loving Canadians!

00:45:17.880 Thanks for listening to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:45:20.360 Support the program by donating to True North at www.tnc.news.

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Juno News - September 14, 2020

Guns and Integrity

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