Juno News - July 28, 2024


Have the Liberals abandoned their “assault-style” firearms ban?


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The Liberal government's gun buyback has been a complete failure, and now gun control advocates are putting pressure on the government to do more than they have already done to get rid of illegal guns. In this episode, we talk to Tracy Wilson of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights about what's going on, and why gun owners should not be satisfied until all guns are confiscated.

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00:00:00.000 By the way, the gun buyback, the quote-unquote gun buyback that the liberals had promised
00:00:13.820 that was supposed to cost between $400 million and $600 million, now projected to be over
00:00:18.840 $2 billion, and they have spent, I forget exactly how much, but they've spent millions
00:00:23.680 of this without even getting a single firearm yet.
00:00:27.300 So the liberal government on its gun buyback has managed to spend millions and millions
00:00:31.780 of dollars, tens of millions of dollars, and not actually got any guns.
00:00:35.160 Now, I don't mind this.
00:00:36.800 I've said this, like, I don't support government waste, but I'm happy that the gun buyback does 1.00
00:00:41.660 not exist, because the gun buyback is not a buyback, it's a confiscation scheme that the
00:00:46.300 government is trying to pretend is just this, like, administrative priority.
00:00:50.080 Now, because the government has been so bad at doing this, because they've been so incompetent,
00:00:55.000 they're now getting pressure put on them from the gun control groups and advocates that
00:00:59.800 were pushing this in the first place, who think that the liberals are basically, as the
00:01:04.580 word from Polly Susuvia, abandoning, abandoning efforts on this.
00:01:09.800 Now, I think gun owners would probably love it if that were the case.
00:01:13.000 It's not.
00:01:14.060 Tracy Wilson joins us on the line.
00:01:16.440 Tracy, it's always good to talk to you.
00:01:17.820 She is with the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.
00:01:20.360 Thanks for coming on today.
00:01:21.940 Hey, Andrew.
00:01:22.600 Happy to be here.
00:01:23.180 Thanks for having me.
00:01:24.620 So there are a few different moving parts on this.
00:01:27.540 I mean, one is that, I mean, you, I know, are obviously tied into the firearms issue,
00:01:31.580 but you're a taxpayer as well.
00:01:33.480 And I'm sure on one hand, you don't like government wasting money, but as a gun owner,
00:01:36.260 you're probably thrilled that they haven't managed to make this gun grab happen on their
00:01:41.100 part.
00:01:41.560 But why is it that they're now getting pressure from the gun control advocates?
00:01:45.960 Why are they unhappy when, from my perspective, the liberals have basically given them everything
00:01:50.280 they want?
00:01:50.860 Well, they actually won't be happy until the, you know, doors of gun owners like me across
00:01:57.440 the country are kicked in by law enforcement and our stuff is forcibly confiscated.
00:02:02.460 I've said right from the beginning, it doesn't matter how far the liberals or any other government
00:02:09.320 goes to appease them, they'll never be satisfied.
00:02:12.180 So we saw with C-21 and the amendments G-4 and G-46 that they had to withdraw.
00:02:20.220 They went right after hunting rifles and they're going to do it again.
00:02:23.580 So, you know, the anti-gun lobby also professes that there are all kinds of assault style
00:02:30.820 firearms that have evaded this ban, you know, and escaped it.
00:02:37.080 Well, at the same time, I think most Canadians know that real assault rifles were banned back
00:02:42.600 in the seventies and this is just a further assault on legal gun owners.
00:02:47.560 You have this attitude among some gun advocates that they will not give an inch.
00:02:54.100 They will not give an inch.
00:02:55.200 And I think that there's some merit to that because people like us and certainly people
00:02:59.480 like you have seen what happens when the inch is given.
00:03:02.720 And the one trend, certainly with this liberal government that's become clear is that wherever
00:03:07.140 they say the line is drawn between an acceptable and an unacceptable gun will change the second
00:03:13.040 they ban that.
00:03:14.080 The second they implement that line, it moves.
00:03:16.800 And I think the so-called assault rifle thing conundrum is an example of that where they
00:03:22.220 say the line is here and then, okay, and then handguns now.
00:03:25.220 And then at a certain point, I think you're right that I don't believe the gun control advocates
00:03:29.100 would be happy until grandpa's musket, the last musket from, you know, 1787 is being
00:03:35.100 pried out of some old farmer's hands in Saskatchewan, will they?
00:03:40.080 Yeah, that's absolutely right.
00:03:41.600 I mean, if you look at it, it's not even just the last nine years of liberal regime, but
00:03:46.800 for over 30 years now, Pauly Susouvien has been calling the shots.
00:03:51.600 They've gotten everything they've wanted.
00:03:53.400 The increase in gun control just in the last 30 years is substantial.
00:03:58.420 We've got some of the strictest regimes in the world, and yet that's still not enough.
00:04:03.340 They won't be satisfied until our doors are kicked in and until they can basically abolish
00:04:08.560 civilian gun ownership.
00:04:10.560 And I know they profess on social media that that isn't true, but they haven't been very
00:04:15.560 definitive about where their line is.
00:04:18.100 Every time they get what they want, they move that goalpost a little bit more to include
00:04:22.320 even more firearms.
00:04:23.300 So, you know, and at the end of the day, whether I'm a gun owner or a taxpayer, I'm
00:04:28.300 also a mom and a grandma, and I see the increase in violence.
00:04:31.440 And I think what could those resources do for our communities if they were better invested
00:04:36.980 in real public safety measures?
00:04:39.100 You know, we're getting a little bit off topic here, but there was a big seizure in Peel
00:04:44.160 region, which is in the greater Toronto area last week.
00:04:46.540 And police see 71 guns and, you know, all of the liberals were jumping up and down saying,
00:04:52.440 oh, great, this is Justin Trudeau, you know, in his gun control in action.
00:04:56.060 69 of the 71 guns were smuggled in from the United States.
00:05:00.180 So zero connection whatsoever to any restrictions that any government would put in on lawful gun
00:05:06.100 ownership and licensing.
00:05:07.360 And the remaining two may have been smuggled in as well.
00:05:10.520 The origins just couldn't be traced.
00:05:11.960 So it's possible that every single one of them, but certainly the majority were, but
00:05:15.920 at the end of the day, gun owners are a minority in Canada.
00:05:19.180 There are, you know, maybe 2 million of us in a country of 36 million or so.
00:05:23.560 How do you communicate this to a lot of people who just in their quiet, peaceful, suburban
00:05:28.620 existence don't think of guns and are really susceptible to the first bit of propaganda
00:05:33.220 that comes across their news?
00:05:35.620 Well, I mean, I would like to think that we live in a country where we don't attack somebody
00:05:40.920 just because they're a minority, just because that's not how most Canadians live.
00:05:45.460 I mean, I don't know.
00:05:47.120 That's a whole different rabbit hole we could go down.
00:05:49.540 But at the same time, I think this does touch every Canadian, whether you own a firearm or
00:05:54.420 not, because number one, there's the property rights issue.
00:05:57.620 So if the government, if I followed every rule and regulation, regardless of how ridiculous
00:06:01.680 they are, complied with everything, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, they're
00:06:06.200 going to come and take my stuff, then that should sound big red flags for all Canadians.
00:06:11.980 And secondly, when nobody thinks about violence happening to them, and of course, we, the majority
00:06:18.100 of us will never experience it at that kind of lethal level.
00:06:23.500 But I'm sure that everybody who's been a victim of violence thought that too.
00:06:27.420 So as we see crime rates rise in communities all across the country, I think everyday Canadians
00:06:33.080 are going to start saying like, hey, what is going on here?
00:06:36.300 The focus has been on the wrong people, for at least for the last nine years, if not the
00:06:41.240 last 30.
00:06:42.400 And I think it's time to sort of recenter that balance and get back to being serious about
00:06:47.080 making safer communities.
00:06:49.080 To go back to the assault rifle ban, the so-called assault rifle ban, one of the claims that the
00:06:54.940 group has made in its criticism here is that tens of thousands of quote-unquote assault
00:07:00.500 style guns prohibited in 2020 remain in the hands of their owners.
00:07:05.280 Now, this is referring to, of course, the fact that, you know, my AR-15 has not been able
00:07:10.000 to leave my gun safe since they were banned.
00:07:12.140 I still mind, but I'm not allowed to legally do anything with it.
00:07:15.080 So it's remained there collecting dust.
00:07:17.320 But the whole point here is that if you are minded to follow the law, like I am and like
00:07:21.720 you are, that gun is providing no safety hazard to anyone, whether I'm legally allowed to
00:07:27.160 take it to the range or not.
00:07:29.160 And as we've talked about in the case of Peel Region, the police that are seizing these
00:07:33.680 guns have said time and time again, these guns are unregistered, they're unlicensed owners.
00:07:38.320 But this word assault rifle does so much heavy lifting for the Liberals here.
00:07:42.680 And I know I've talked about this, but for people listening that are not as in this,
00:07:46.000 what does that word mean or what does it not mean?
00:07:48.700 Well, it's globally understood that the term assault rifle refers to a firearm that has
00:07:57.300 a select fire capability.
00:07:58.680 In other words, it's able to go full auto.
00:08:01.200 In Canada, those have been banned since 1978.
00:08:04.380 So those are unavailable to civilians.
00:08:07.960 And nobody's asking for anything different.
00:08:10.400 What they're targeting with this May 2020 OIC and what Polly Susuvian keeps referring to
00:08:16.980 as assault-style firearms, by definition, is something is styled after something else.
00:08:22.880 It is not that thing which it is styled after.
00:08:25.300 So what they're talking about is more modern sporting arms.
00:08:29.240 So I know as a female, a young, well, not a young, an older female of small stature,
00:08:34.360 I know for me, it's really important to have a firearm that is compatible to my size and
00:08:39.800 shape.
00:08:40.460 And, you know, a lot of these modern firearms have all kinds of adjustable stocks and a
00:08:45.480 pistol grip and things like this.
00:08:47.200 So anything that looks scary is now, you know, on that ban list and, of course, in the target
00:08:53.700 of Polly Susuvian, so to speak.
00:08:56.520 But at the same time, you know, this is technology advancing.
00:09:00.020 I mean, my truck sitting in my laneway right now doesn't look anything like my grandfather's
00:09:05.440 truck that we used to drive on the farm with, right?
00:09:08.160 So it stands to reason that a lot of my guns don't look like my grandfather's either.
00:09:13.600 Yeah.
00:09:14.120 And the reality is, and again, I don't want to give them any ideas here, but if you were
00:09:17.580 to want to have an intellectually consistent and honest position, it would be that all
00:09:22.240 guns are capable of killing and all guns, therefore, should be banned.
00:09:25.380 This idea of drawing an arbitrary line that is ultimately based on appearance is just so
00:09:31.860 insanely ridiculous.
00:09:33.540 And again, I don't want to push that argument too far because I know there's going to be
00:09:36.920 some liberal member of parliament that will say, yes, you're right.
00:09:39.520 Let's ban all of them.
00:09:40.360 And I think certainly if they thought they could, they would.
00:09:42.740 But the reality is when they draw these lines, they do not make any sense.
00:09:48.140 No, they don't.
00:09:48.880 And that's how you know it's just political theater.
00:09:51.360 I mean, when you start, you know, you've got this big basket of firearms and of course,
00:09:55.180 there's all kinds.
00:09:56.380 It's a very unique item, right?
00:09:58.740 There's all kinds of them, all shapes and sizes and colors and functionalities.
00:10:03.540 The problem is, is that it'll never be enough for them.
00:10:07.100 No matter what they stick in that bandbasket, it'll never be enough for them.
00:10:11.780 And they want to keep adding more into there.
00:10:13.960 And they actually complain about new firearms on the market as well.
00:10:16.920 And this is a big problem.
00:10:17.900 Because as the rules and the laws change with this ever-changing liberal gun control, what
00:10:25.080 manufacturers do is they, you know, they get inventive and creative and they start creating
00:10:30.940 new firearms to comply with those new rules.
00:10:34.520 And Paulie Susouvier says, well, what they're doing is circumventing the law and making new
00:10:39.760 assault-style firearms.
00:10:41.540 No, they're complying with the law.
00:10:44.540 Like, it's absolutely breathtaking to see the desperation they've got.
00:10:49.880 But, I mean, here we are.
00:10:51.480 I'm not going to ramble on too long about this.
00:10:53.140 But we are four years down the road from when they first banned them.
00:10:56.400 Every single firearm is still exactly where it was before, safely locked away in the gun
00:11:02.080 rooms and safes of legal licensed gun owners.
00:11:04.320 And yet, crime is still raging out of control.
00:11:07.140 So, you know, Canadians need to ask themselves, maybe we took a wrong turn here and focused
00:11:12.860 on the wrong demographic.
00:11:14.780 Tracey Wilson, VP of Public Relations for the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights.
00:11:19.140 Always good to talk to you, Tracey.
00:11:20.280 Thanks for coming on today.
00:11:22.660 Thanks for the opportunity, Andrew.
00:11:24.120 Have a great day.
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