Juno News - How can we reverse the disastrous impact of Trudeau’s mass immigration policies？

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Hope everyone is enjoying a wonderful

00:00:07.320 family day, weekend, and long weekend for those who have a day off work, and hopefully you're

00:00:12.200 spending a lot of time with your family, connecting with what is important. Now, people who have

00:00:17.520 followed my career and people who have followed me for a while know that one of the major issues

00:00:21.960 that I talk about and that I focus on is immigration, dating back to when I was a

00:00:26.180 columnist at the Toronto Sun, wrote two books heavily critical of Justin Trudeau's immigration

00:00:31.100 policies. And even today, when we look around, so many of the major problems facing Canada are

00:00:37.660 downstream of immigration. Look at what I call the third world crime wave. Issues like extortion, 0.99

00:00:44.080 drive-by shootings, home invasions, carjackings. These are things that never used to happen in

00:00:48.720 Canada, and I think almost all the times, all of the instances that we see these brutal acts of crime.

00:00:56.180 They're carried out by foreigners or people who have barely been in Canada, people who are 0.99

00:00:59.180 certainly not born in Canada. I struggle to even think of examples of these kinds of crimes

00:01:04.880 happening 10, 15 years ago, and now they happen with some frequency. We're really dealing with

00:01:10.000 incredible, disturbing crimes in this country. Our country is not safe, not secure anymore like it

00:01:15.680 used to be. Not just that, we're talking about issues like cost of living, the cost of housing.

00:01:20.680 You know, when you flood the country with millions and millions of new people every single year, 0.89

00:01:24.560 you're going to have a hard time housing them. And because of these policies, it's pushed many

00:01:29.740 young people, most young people, almost all young people, away from the possibility of being able to 0.99

00:01:34.380 own a home and really start their lives. You know, the average age of a first-time home buyer is now

00:01:39.700 40, 40 years old. Think about how many people wait to start a family and have children until they can buy

00:01:45.340 a home. Well, if you're waiting until you're 40, it doesn't really leave you any time to start a

00:01:49.040 family and it's connected to the fertility crisis that we're experiencing in Canada. So there's a lot

00:01:54.540 of criticisms that I have and that I think most Canadians have when it comes to immigration. Most

00:02:00.280 people believe it has gone too far and that we need to roll it back. But just how far and just how

00:02:05.300 much can we roll it back? What can we do at this point? I wanted to welcome a guest today named Daniel

00:02:10.900 Thierry. Daniel is the executive director, the chairman, the founder of a group called the Dominion

00:02:17.140 Society, calling for massive changes within immigration. He's become a bit of a controversial

00:02:22.100 figure himself for some of the things that he said, some of the things he's calling for.

00:02:27.420 He was recently at the convention, the Conservative Party convention, very critical of Pierre Pauly of

00:02:33.320 the leader and really just questioning, you know, what is it that he's trying to conserve? So I'm not

00:02:39.220 sure if I agree with everything Daniel has to say on immigration. I thought we'd have a conversation,

00:02:42.560 a bit of a debate today to see where he stands and what he believes. So Daniel, thank you so much

00:02:47.580 for joining the Candace Malcolm show today. Thanks for having me on, Candace. Okay, so let's start

00:02:52.720 with the Conservative Convention. I think that you got a lot of attention. You had some viral videos

00:02:57.460 online with your group. You know, really stunning imagery. You were all wearing green. You were outside

00:03:03.500 the convention. I think you gave a speech. I saw the image that you had with Pierre Pauly of,

00:03:08.900 I think he was wearing a turban or something like that. And you know, you're really calling out the 1.00

00:03:12.840 ethnic pandering that we see from politicians of all stripes. So why don't we start with that?

00:03:17.180 What were you doing at the convention? And what was your point of being there?

00:03:21.920 Yeah, well, we knew it was the Conservative Party convention. We knew there'd be conservatives from

00:03:25.920 all over the country descending on Calgary. We knew there'd be a lot of eyeballs and discussions on

00:03:30.720 the direction the Conservative Party should be going in. So we saw that as an opportunity to kind of

00:03:35.180 put a spotlight on what we think is the most important issue, which is demographic change

00:03:39.120 and mass immigration. So from my point of view, I don't find the Conservative Party of Canada very

00:03:44.700 conservative. They've kind of based their whole ideology around free trade, free markets,

00:03:51.260 smaller government. I don't think any of these things are inherently conservative

00:03:55.380 in themselves. And really, Canada is going through the most radical transformation that we've ever

00:04:02.380 seen to our society in our history. And the Conservatives are silent to it, or even trying

00:04:06.840 to like use it to their own advantage through things like this ethnic pandering, playing dress up and all 0.67

00:04:11.220 these things that people didn't tolerate when Trudeau was in office. And I don't think we should

00:04:14.540 tolerate it when Pierre Pauly of does it either. So we wanted to shift the conversation. And I think

00:04:19.800 we succeeded in what we aimed to accomplish. And so how were you met by the Conservative Party? Did

00:04:26.280 they welcome you into the conference? Would any of the MPs speak to you? Did you feel satisfied by

00:04:30.840 the response from the party? Well, some people going in and stuff, rank and file members,

00:04:37.200 saw us pretty warmly. Like we had some good conversations outside, people were receptive to

00:04:41.940 our message. We were only there for a few moments before we got dressed off the property. The party

00:04:48.480 brass definitely didn't like us trying to shift the conversation and target these issues.

00:04:54.840 You know, it's in their right to do so. So we abided by their request and left the property.

00:05:00.420 But I still think we were able to put a spotlight on the most important issue.

00:05:06.260 Well, it seems to me that someone was listening because last week, Pierre Pauly of announced that,

00:05:11.220 I think this is a new policy, that he wants to quickly deport any non-Canadian citizen living in

00:05:17.520 Canada who is convicted of a serious crime. I would have assumed that that would automatically 0.64

00:05:21.140 make someone inadmissible and that that would be the current law, that they would have to go anyway.

00:05:24.920 But it is good to see the Conservatives heading in that direction. So Daniel, tell us a little bit

00:05:29.860 about the Dominion Society's positions. Like what are you advocating for and what would you like to see

00:05:34.940 the Conservatives do with regards to immigration?

00:05:37.340 So we advocate for a concept that we call re-migration. So everyone in Canadian society 1.00

00:05:44.380 agrees now that mass immigration has gone too far. It's just a question of how we deal with 0.98

00:05:49.000 the kind of mess that the politicians of days past have created. A lot of people are proposing

00:05:54.480 solutions on like kind of how we can live with the problem. We go a step further. We say we don't

00:05:59.820 have to put up with the mistakes of the past. We can actually go and correct them. So we have a kind of

00:06:04.740 10 point policy bundle that would shift immigration policies in order to change incentives, in order

00:06:11.320 to reverse the flows of mass immigration. We think for the next several years, there should be 0.99

00:06:17.740 much more people leaving the country than entering the country. And ultimately, we believe that

00:06:22.820 our immigration policy should be more about just economic factors. That we need to put that Canada

00:06:29.860 as a nation. That is to say, a people with a distinct heritage, a shared history, a shared culture.

00:06:37.300 And that kind of ethnocultural identity needs to be put at the heart of our immigration policy. We need to

00:06:43.780 actively conserve Canada's distinct identity, not just bring in people like their interchangeable economic

00:06:50.820 units.

00:06:51.440 Okay, so interesting points there. I want to get like a little bit deeper to the heart of the matter

00:06:57.680 of like, what does it mean to be Canadian, right? Because, you know, I think that post Second World

00:07:04.000 War, most Canadians were of a similar stock, they were probably from the somewhere in Great Britain,

00:07:09.680 or somewhere in France, right. And they probably came at a certain point in history. And unless you're

00:07:15.680 First Nations, but that was always a pretty small population, probably less than 5% or so. But

00:07:23.280 post Second World War, Canada started admitting large numbers of people from all over Europe,

00:07:29.280 Eastern Europe, Central Europe, people who are not part of that original sort of nation of English

00:07:35.040 Canadians. And so, you know, you could look back at that. And then you could see the demographics

00:07:41.600 changing in the 90s, more and more people from Asia, and now more and more people from Central Asia,

00:07:46.800 South Asia, and really all over the world. And so I'm wondering, like, when you're talking about

00:07:54.080 conserving the ethnic makeup of Canada, like, what exactly do you mean? Are you talking about white

00:07:59.600 people? Are you talking about British people? Like, can you be a bit more specific about that?

00:08:03.440 Yeah, yeah, I think we need to be, especially after decades of them transforming Canadian identity 0.96

00:08:09.680 to literally just be, you know, a civic concept, a piece of paper, a passport. I'm the one that'll

00:08:16.960 step forward and say the very obvious reality that being Canadian is more than just a piece of paper.

00:08:22.320 It is, it is to be a part of a national ethnic continuity that stretches all the way back to the

00:08:29.280 to the original founders and settlers of this country. So yes, those were broadly English and

00:08:37.280 French or Anglo rather from the British Isles, Irish, Scottish, Irish, Scottish, English, as is

00:08:44.080 represented on the on the Red Ensign behind me, our previous flag, which showed our final foundational

00:08:50.320 ethnic makeup. Within the Dominion Society, we take it a kind of a step further because the 0.94

00:08:54.080 diversification of Canada happened even before the Second World War, as you pointed out, it really

00:08:58.720 happened in the early 1900s when we moved to settle the Western Canada. This is when we let in larger

00:09:05.600 groups of European migrants from further Eastern Europe, Northern Europe, although mostly still from

00:09:12.000 from America and the British Isles to quickly settle Western Canada to stave off kind of American 0.51

00:09:19.200 advances and kind of manifest destiny, so to speak. So we put forward kind of two top concepts,

00:09:27.120 so what we call the ethnic Canadian, which is two distinct ethnic groups, the Franco-Canadians and

00:09:31.280 the Anglo-Canadians, which are the people who settled the St. Lawrence Valley over hundreds of years,

00:09:37.840 underwent an ethnogenesis to form two unique ethnic groups. But then we go a step further to offer this

00:09:44.400 larger umbrella term, which we call Heritage Canadians. And these would be all the people who helped to

00:09:49.120 settle the country. So a slightly broader kind of ethnic definition of these people, further European

00:09:55.840 settlers who came through the late 1800s, early 1900s to help settle the country. We think that that

00:10:04.800 that experience of settling the kind of hostile wilderness that is Canada that brings a community

00:10:10.480 together is very important. And we think that there's a there's a large difference between a settler and an

00:10:15.840 immigrant, someone who comes across brave hostile waters and an open ocean to carve civilization out

00:10:25.520 of a out of wilderness is very different than someone who comes over from a from a country to

00:10:30.160 take advantage of our economic opportunities or sign up for benefits. So these, we think it's very

00:10:36.320 important to be clear about what a Canadian is and what a Canadian isn't. That being said, I don't think

00:10:40.880 it's as simple as just deporting anyone who doesn't meet our strict definition. But I think culturally

00:10:45.760 speaking, we need to be clear about who we are, if if we're going to have something, an identity to

00:10:50.640 maintain. It's interesting, because Oh, actually, I have a friend who her family was fifth or sixth

00:10:56.240 generation Canadian is one of my close friends growing up. And she was of Chinese stock, but her 1.00

00:11:03.040 family came over to help build the railway, and has, you know, just as Canadian as probably you and I are, I

00:11:09.200 would argue at least culturally, even though ethnically, I don't know if she would fit into 0.95

00:11:12.960 your definition or category of a heritage Canadian. One of the things that drove me crazy about Prime

00:11:19.040 Minister Justin Trudeau, was when he defended terrorists and foreign nationals who pick up arms

00:11:24.560 against Canada, and said that they must be able to keep their Canadian citizenship, even if they're a

00:11:29.840 citizen of a foreign country, because a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian. And therefore, anybody who 0.64

00:11:35.120 has a, you know, has it has a claim to Canadian citizenship, through their parents, or through

00:11:41.040 just, you know, like Omar Khadr, who happened to be born here, but his father was part of Al Qaeda. And

00:11:46.640 he, he picked up arms and fought against Canada and Afghanistan, that he that he was he gets to be a

00:11:52.400 Canadian just because his family took advantage of our generosity. And this idea that a Canadian is 0.98

00:12:00.400 inalienable, as if it was an ethnicity, right? Like, you could say that about someone who's Japanese,

00:12:04.800 or someone who's Swedish, right? A Swede is a Swede is a Swede, doesn't matter what they believe,

00:12:08.560 where they live, ethnically, they're always going to be Swedish. But Canada was more of an idea,

00:12:13.280 right, an ideal, or, you know, people who came, took part in this project, and then believe in Canadian,

00:12:21.840 you know, the project, right, believe in our in our system of government and in our country. And yet,

00:12:30.160 for Dustin Trudeau, even people who don't believe in that, even people who don't have shared values

00:12:33.600 whatsoever, are Canadian. So it did lead us to this question of like, what are Canadian values? What

00:12:38.320 does it mean to be Canadian doesn't mean anything. And I, you know, I think where we've landed is kind

00:12:43.040 of sad. And I agree that we need we need something to help define us. But at this point, Daniel, I mean,

00:12:50.240 I don't know, there's there's 40, nearly, I think there's 40 million people in this country.

00:12:54.560 Now, I would say only only 25 20 or 25 million of them would be what you would consider Canadians.

00:13:01.600 So what do we do with the rest of them? What do we do with people who were born here or people who 0.99

00:13:07.040 fled other countries that are here that don't have any other place to go? Like, like, how would how

00:13:12.080 would you how would you deal with that problem? I think we need to start rolling back the policies

00:13:16.720 specifically of the most recent and most radical policies that we saw under Justin Trudeau. So

00:13:23.360 our government needs to take this a lot more seriously there. We don't have any serious

00:13:28.960 government agents in for with tasks with enforcing our immigration laws, the government themselves have

00:13:35.680 said they rely on things like self deportations, we need to take this things a lot more seriously,

00:13:40.480 we need to one, round up and deport all illegal migrants in this country, there's estimates that 1.00

00:13:46.400 there's upwards of 500,000 of them all around the country, these people need to go, we need to get 1.00

00:13:52.640 rid of all of these asylum claimants. This system has been taken advantage of for about the last 10 years

00:13:59.040 now, since about 2015, we've seen a massive spike in these claims, there's over 300,000 of them sitting

00:14:05.120 in the system. These are just people trying to skip the queue and take advantage of our system, these

00:14:09.760 asylum claimants need to go as well as anyone who may have been an illegal migrant or asylum claimant

00:14:14.560 that has been granted permanent status or citizenship status over the last decade, like these people came 1.00

00:14:20.480 here taking advantage of our laws, they need to go. Same, same thing goes for birthright citizenship, 0.60

00:14:25.760 we have much too lax laws. And we know that people are taking advantage of this through things like

00:14:30.000 anchor babies, and birth tourism, we need to tighten these laws. And again, we need to, 0.88

00:14:36.400 we need to revoke status from people who took advantage of our laws and get rid of these people.

00:14:41.280 We need to shut down the temporary foreign worker program, the international mobility program, again,

00:14:45.520 hundreds of 1000s of people in our country, these people have got to go. And then when it comes to

00:14:51.440 people that are here as permanent residents and citizens, like we need to, we need to take into

00:14:56.640 account things like these people that are, that are just sapping off of benefits that that take

00:15:02.560 more out of the system than pay into the system. These people are not helping our country, like,

00:15:07.680 we need to strip them of status and send them home. And the same goes for citizens. And especially

00:15:11.680 anyone that's working, actively working against Canada's national interests and social cohesion,

00:15:16.800 proposing using Canada as like a safe country, a safe haven to forward their foreign political

00:15:23.520 causes. This is not like our country is a homeland for the Canadian people. It's not just some hit

00:15:27.920 safe haven for people from all over the world to take advantage of to to advance foreign political

00:15:32.640 causes. We're going to put our people first, and we're going to send people back if they're

00:15:37.920 threatening our identity, our security, our cohesion. So I really don't think any of this is is

00:15:45.440 radical. I think this is in line with how people think immigration policy should be managed.

00:15:50.080 People don't even realize how how absurd the system has got. They just see the consequences

00:15:55.680 in their daily lives walking up and down the street. We need to put kind of identity at our

00:16:00.320 coal, we need to put our people first before this kind of abstract, egalitarian, liberal,

00:16:05.440 internationalist kind of perspective that has become the norm since the since the Second World War,

00:16:11.280 and start remembering who we are and putting our people first. But as I said, like, we're not,

00:16:15.200 I'm not advocating for blood tests and sending anyone back that's not a pure blooded Anglo-Stock 1.00

00:16:21.360 Canadian. Like, I'm talking about reversing the radicalism that we've seen over the last few decades.

00:16:27.840 Well, it's interesting, because I think that most people on the conservative side of Canada,

00:16:33.600 and many people who would consider themselves more centrist, opposed Justin Trudeau's citizenship

00:16:38.880 policies. I was one of the biggest critics. I wrote a book called Losing True North,

00:16:42.320 back in 2015, 2016 was published just after he was elected, criticizing some of the major fundamental

00:16:49.520 shifts that he did. I mean, he made it so that most Canadians, new Canadians didn't have to learn

00:16:54.640 French or English anymore. He made it so that you could become a citizen without even being a full time

00:17:00.320 resident of Canada. And he shrunk the time that it takes for newcomers to become citizens down to just

00:17:06.240 just to just over two years. So you could be a Canadian without even living in Canada. I mean,

00:17:11.600 you could be a foreigner without even living in Canada, without even being able to speak French

00:17:14.720 or English, and you could become a citizen under Trudeau. I think it's outrageous. I think that

00:17:20.080 Justin Trudeau massively grew the population, as sort of, you know, for two reasons. One,

00:17:26.640 because he doesn't really believe that there's anything that is a Canadian, and that basically,

00:17:31.840 Canada is a refugee camp. Our purpose is to help resettle people from bad countries and give them a 1.00

00:17:37.600 better life, that that is the purpose of Canada. And second, obviously, just for crass political

00:17:42.720 reasons, they want more people to vote for the Liberal Party of Canada. And they bring people in,

00:17:47.120 lie to them, tell them that conservatives will deport them if they don't elect a Liberal government.

00:17:51.360 And then also to artificially boost the GDP, right? They completely damaged the economy through their

00:17:58.160 anti-development policies. And the only way to avoid a full-blown recession was just to open the doors

00:18:03.680 wide open. We also have a looming demographic problem in this country that many of our liabilities

00:18:10.880 are unfunded. Pensions, old age security, there's a lot more people retiring than people being born.

00:18:16.960 Canadians aren't having children, which is a whole other problem that I'm sure we could talk about, 0.98

00:18:20.800 Daniel. But we actually need workers. Otherwise, we will face, you know, a huge recession, possibly

00:18:28.960 some kind of an economic collapse. And so, you know, with your policies of saying,

00:18:32.800 hey, let's find all the people that came under Trudeau and try to figure out a way to entice them to

00:18:37.280 leave. What do you think about the fact that our economy is, you know, propped up artificially by

00:18:44.320 the mass numbers of people that Trudeau has brought into the country? Are you concerned about economic

00:18:50.240 contraction? Well, I reject the premise. There was a study actually released by Cornell University over

00:18:57.680 the summer that found that countries with stagnating and even declining populations

00:19:02.400 were actually some of the most thriving countries in the world by a whole slew of metrics. They had a

00:19:07.600 bundle of different issue areas where they looked into, including corruption, economic development,

00:19:13.360 like patents and discoveries and all across every single metric. It was countries that had declining

00:19:19.280 and stagnating populations that actually performed best. As well, I think there has been deleterious

00:19:25.680 kind of economic impacts caused by mass immigration that gets swept under the rug as they try and serve

00:19:31.120 us this lie that low skilled labor is necessary to continue propping up our economy. These sort of

00:19:38.880 policies cause wage stagnation or even lowering wages. It might increase GDP, but it's reducing GDP per capita,

00:19:48.240 the share that each of us has in the growth of our economy. And it boosts up housing costs and rent and

00:19:55.440 everything. This proposition that immigration is necessary for the economy is a very elite skewed 0.77

00:20:03.920 kind of position. In reality, mass immigration is hurting each individual Canadian more than it's

00:20:09.520 helping. So I do reject the kind of premise in general. I do think that a large scale remigration would 0.99

00:20:16.960 cause some kind of short term strife, some short term tension, but really we've seen this slow build of

00:20:23.680 tension within our society over the last two decades. I think we need some to kind of rip off the bandage.

00:20:30.960 It might be a bit rough for a year or two, but then it'll be much better afterwards. And then the last thing

00:20:37.920 I think to consider is we're undergoing a significant transformation in the economy through things like

00:20:45.680 development of automation and of course, artificial intelligence. This is going to completely

00:20:50.880 transform the labor force landscape. And we're saddling ourselves with all these kind of low skill

00:20:58.000 workers that are going to be put out of work by these developments. Really, we need to be at the

00:21:04.240 cutting edge of these things. Things like the temporary foreign worker program has really

00:21:09.600 acted as a reverse incentive. It's given people, it's given owners the path to not invest in capital

00:21:19.360 instead to invest in low skilled workers as a kind of stop gap. As a result, we're falling behind

00:21:25.760 productivity and compared to things like the United States. So really I think

00:21:31.360 this is what's really going to transform our labor force landscape and we need to be taking that much

00:21:39.200 more seriously. And right now we're kind of living with policies that aren't in line with the rapid

00:21:45.600 change in technology. So really I think all these Uber Eats drivers and stuff are going to be irrelevant

00:21:52.240 when self-driving cars and stuff become the norm. So really we should be preparing towards that

00:21:57.600 and making sure that we can leverage it in the best interest of our people, not acting on the behest

00:22:03.600 of elite kind of economic interests to lower wages and increase asset prices.

00:22:09.600 Well, I think that change is happening sooner than many people think. My family and I were in San

00:22:13.760 Francisco in the fall and they had self-driving Ubers and they had robots delivering food. So I mean,

00:22:20.080 the technology is already there. Yeah, it's freaky. I want to shift gears a little bit,

00:22:23.600 Daniel, and talk about a essay that you contributed to Juneau News. It's really a beautifully written

00:22:28.560 piece to commemorate the 61st anniversary of Flag Day, which happened yesterday, February 15th.

00:22:35.040 And, you know, we, many of us bemoan Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. He infamously said that Canada is the

00:22:40.720 first post-national state, that we're not a nation. And he was proud of that, that being Canadian means 0.99

00:22:45.520 nothing. And you say that this didn't start with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. I mean, I was hugely critical

00:22:51.760 of them changing the lyrics to our national anthem. I still cringe when I hear the new version and I

00:22:56.240 refuse to sing it. I was also so critical of changing the national holiday to Canada Day,

00:23:02.720 even though it happened before I was born, that my family and I still host our annual Dominion Day

00:23:07.520 barbecue, which is on July 1st. And it used to be called Dominion Day to celebrate the Dominion of

00:23:11.680 Canada, which was our legal name. And we slowly erase all of our British traditions to sort of water

00:23:17.760 it down. Well, you say it happened long before Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, actually before he was

00:23:22.160 even born. And you talk about the origin of the new flag in juxtaposition to the old flag. You talk

00:23:31.040 about the history of it, the beautiful red ensign, which you have hung behind you there. I thought

00:23:36.800 it was really well written, and I agreed with it. And so I would publish it. So I wanted you to have

00:23:40.960 opportunity to talk a little bit about the history and how this problem actually predated Prime Minister

00:23:47.360 Justin Trudeau. Yeah, yeah. People don't realize how new the leaf is. I saw that was a big reaction

00:23:54.400 throughout yesterday. We were posting all sorts of content for flag data to really raise awareness

00:23:59.520 of this, as is one of the kind of fundamental purposes of our organization. We do want to just

00:24:04.080 increase pride and knowledge in Canadian heritage. And I don't think there is any more symbolic moment

00:24:11.440 in Canadian history than that flag change. Really, the kind of post-nationalization of our society

00:24:18.400 happened throughout the post-war period. But 1965, the change of the flag is really the perfect example,

00:24:24.880 because we went from this symbol, the red ensign, that really captures all of Canada's kind of

00:24:32.000 ethnic heritage within one symbol. You have the Union Jack representing our kind of colonial past,

00:24:38.960 and then you have the shield there, a simplified version of our coat of arms, which includes all

00:24:43.520 the kind of major symbolism for our main four founding ethnic groups. The English represented by

00:24:50.880 the three lions, the Scottish represented by the red lion rampant, the harp representing the Irish,

00:24:56.240 and three fleurs-de-lis, covered up by my microphone, representing the French.

00:25:00.000 In 1867, when Canada was first founded, these four groups represented 97% of Canada's population,

00:25:07.120 the remaining 3% being mostly First Nations groups. There were small groups of things like Black

00:25:12.880 loyalists and slaves that had come over through the Underground Railroad. There were small groups of

00:25:19.200 Chinese who had settled in mostly British Columbia. But 97% of it were these kind of founding stock groups.

00:25:26.960 So you got those four symbols above the kind of three maple leaves, which are representative of the

00:25:33.040 three founding nations coming to one, the Anglo-Canadians, the Franco-Canadians, and the First Nations,

00:25:37.440 merging into one country. So I think this is a beautiful symbol that represents Canada's heritage,

00:25:44.320 and I think it's something that we should be proud of. But in 1964, 1965, Lester Pearson kind of moved to replace the flag.

00:25:52.000 He thought in the post-war period that this symbol was problematic, that we needed to move on from our

00:25:56.800 colonial roots. We needed to remove the Union Jack. And he proposed a new flag free of all this kind of 1.00

00:26:04.640 ethnic foundation to be more inclusive to what he called the new Canada, which included newer groups of

00:26:12.400 immigrants that were coming over post-war, that included later generations of settlers that weren't from

00:26:17.600 the four founding nations. It was really the beginning of this kind of post-national project

00:26:24.960 and captured in this transition in symbols. And I'm not a big fan of the leaf. It's this kind of soulless

00:26:32.240 corporate logo. It's intentionally devoid of meaning. Like the number of points on the maple leaf,

00:26:39.120 there's 11 points. That doesn't mean anything. There's been some retroactive kind of

00:26:45.440 actions to try and give it meaning. People say that the two red bars represent the two oceans,

00:26:51.280 but none of this is official. Red and white are technically our national colors, but even then,

00:26:59.920 explicitly they were decided to make what would be most aesthetically pleasing and most visible.

00:27:05.280 So I think that a flag should really hold weight and hold symbolism and relate to a country's heritage and

00:27:12.240 identity. And I think you capture that in the red ensign. So I do advocate for a return to our

00:27:18.800 old flag. Well, I have to ask this question because I've always liked the red ensign as well,

00:27:23.600 but I would never hang it in my office, mostly just because there's a group of people that believe

00:27:29.360 that the red ensign is a white nationalist symbol. I know you yourself have been accused of being

00:27:34.560 associated with the far right and with a white nationalist group. So I'm just wondering, is there any

00:27:40.640 validity to that? Do you consider yourself a white nationalist or do you consider yourself far right?

00:27:45.600 I consider myself a Canadian nationalist. That being said, I'm very clear about what a Canadian

00:27:52.800 is. And all these groups that established Canada, this ethnic continuity that we're talking about,

00:27:57.680 these people can be called white people. So these kind of labels don't really bother me, but I prefer

00:28:04.640 to call myself a Canadian nationalist. I don't see Canada as some sort of home for all white people. I see 0.99

00:28:10.320 Canada as a home for Canadians. In fact, I've gotten in trouble with some groups for pointing out

00:28:17.280 things like that Swedes are Swedish and Swedish people are Canadian just because they're white.

00:28:25.360 And then, you know, right, left, I think that nationalism kind of goes above what we see as the

00:28:32.240 traditional political spectrum right now. You know, people like Wyatt Claypool say that I'm not even

00:28:38.560 right wing. I'm not conservative. I don't bicker too much about these labels. I call myself a

00:28:43.920 nationalist. I believe that Canada is a nation. We're a group of people with a shared history and

00:28:48.480 culture. And I proudly identify with that. Interesting. Well, Daniel, I really appreciate

00:28:53.280 your time. Thanks again for submitting that wonderful essay. I encourage everyone to take a look.

00:28:58.080 It's called Leaf versus Shield and the great flag debate of revisiting that moment in Canadian history.

00:29:04.720 So appreciate the time and the little bit of friendly debate here. And hopefully we'll have

00:29:09.760 you on again soon. Thanks for having me on, Candice. Looking forward to it.

00:29:13.600 All right, folks, that's all the time we have for today. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the

00:29:16.480 news. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

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