Juno News - How “strong and united” are the Liberals？

00:00:00.000 You said you had something planned for Halloween there, Chris.

00:00:02.780 What's happening with the CTF and Halloween?

00:00:05.160 So the debt, the national debt is super scary because it's something crazy now.

00:00:09.320 It's like $1.2 trillion.

00:00:11.120 It would take you like 30,000 years to count a trillion.

00:00:13.720 So we're bringing the debt clock, which is super scary, to Calgary.

00:00:17.540 And then a friend of mine, the Prairie Director, Gage Habrick, he's coming with me.

00:00:21.840 And we're going to dress up in our best Halloween gear.

00:00:24.180 And we're going to put on like a big press conference about how scary the debt is.

00:00:28.320 So I've got my best witch hat.

00:00:30.660 It has like gold and green undertones.

00:00:32.840 It really brings out my natural witchiness.

00:00:34.620 So I'm really looking forward to that.

00:00:36.540 Are you guys doing Halloween-y things?

00:00:38.260 What are you doing?

00:00:39.380 Well, I was going to add, I think that the debt keeps Canadians up at night, but I doubt it keeps Trudeau up much.

00:00:46.400 No, he, I would say Canadians have had a lot of tricks from this liberal government and precious few treats in terms of at least cost of living and keeping life affordable.

00:00:56.880 Certainly my, my life doesn't seem any more affordable.

00:01:00.080 I haven't gotten a lot of treats from this liberal government.

00:01:02.720 Well, in no time flat, people who aren't trick-or-treaters are going to be doing a lot of door knocking.

00:01:08.320 So he should keep all of that in mind.

00:01:10.040 All right, let's get this thing started.

00:01:11.720 Welcome to Off the Record here at True North.

00:01:22.120 My name is Chris Sims.

00:01:23.120 I'm the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:01:25.760 Our friends at True North have been very nice to let me host a few of these shows.

00:01:29.900 I'm here with my good friends, Cosman and William.

00:01:32.260 Thank you both for joining us.

00:01:34.280 It's great to be here, Chris.

00:01:35.360 Thanks for having us.

00:01:36.040 It's been quite the week for anyone who is a political nerd.

00:01:40.580 It was a big showdown leading up to the caucus meeting on Wednesday.

00:01:45.180 And quite often I find fans of True North will come up to me at events and they'll say something like,

00:01:50.600 we really want the inside scoop, like explain how these things work.

00:01:53.940 So just give me one little second here.

00:01:56.560 So I worked on Parliament Hill for way too long.

00:01:59.060 And one of the main things they do each week when the House is in session,

00:02:02.860 so when all the members of Parliament, 300 something of them, are all in Ottawa,

00:02:07.020 every Wednesday morning from around 8.30ish till around 11.30ish, sometimes later,

00:02:13.940 Wednesday morning, each party goes into these rooms by themselves,

00:02:18.040 usually with no phones even allowed, and they lock themselves in.

00:02:22.020 And that's usually where they can hash things out.

00:02:24.440 Like if you think your leader's being stupid,

00:02:26.220 if you're hearing from your constituents about something crazy that you don't want to get out,

00:02:30.140 but you want people to know, that's called caucus meeting.

00:02:33.820 And so, by the way, as a little aside,

00:02:36.140 which was a very sad anniversary for the passing of Corporal Nathan Cirillo,

00:02:39.800 that is why that terrorist, that attacker, picked Wednesday morning,

00:02:45.300 because he knew where they were all going to be.

00:02:48.940 And so that is why you had that stark image of back then,

00:02:51.880 Prime Minister Stephen Harper's caucus on one side of the hallway.

00:02:54.580 And then at the time, the opposition's NDP across the hall,

00:03:00.240 they were all in caucus, so they were all in one place in one time.

00:03:03.700 So fast forward to this past Wednesday,

00:03:06.380 this is a really critical meeting for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,

00:03:09.940 because we were hearing all sorts of things.

00:03:11.960 Things like there was going to be a rebellion within caucus,

00:03:14.580 that enough Liberal members of Parliament were going to take the microphone

00:03:17.320 and stand up and be heard and speak back to Trudeau on things like affordability

00:03:22.640 and on things like the carbon tax.

00:03:24.720 At least that's what we were hoping.

00:03:26.320 So there was an awful lot of fireworks going in and out of the building.

00:03:30.680 And so I just wanted very briefly to get your impression first,

00:03:34.060 and then we'll go to the clips.

00:03:35.020 William, what was your take on this?

00:03:37.160 Did you think this turned into a nothing burger?

00:03:39.240 Do you think there's still some fire there?

00:03:41.900 Yeah, I mean, politically, I think the Prime Minister came out of it

00:03:45.420 about as well as he could have hoped for.

00:03:48.040 He seems more or less to be in the same position he was going in,

00:03:52.360 except maybe even a little bit better,

00:03:54.320 maybe some of the deflate in the sales of the Dump Trudeau movement,

00:03:58.600 because they don't appear to have made much damage in ousting the Prime Minister.

00:04:03.840 And I think we'll see a clip in just a bit where you can even see

00:04:07.860 a pretty cocky walking Prime Minister as he leaves that caucus meeting.

00:04:13.480 And, you know, it's quite telling when you get to see our Prime Minister

00:04:17.280 on full peacock display.

00:04:20.020 We have to watch that now.

00:04:21.160 You've teased it so well.

00:04:22.580 Let's roll that clip. 0.89

00:04:23.660 This is Prime Minister Justin Trudeau emerging from the caucus meeting.

00:04:26.860 I will point out an hour later than people were expecting.

00:04:30.520 So that was a long grind of a caucus meeting.

00:04:32.700 Watch this.

00:04:38.520 So that's quite the clip.

00:04:48.420 He is a theatre kid.

00:04:50.100 So fellow theatre kid here, you know your body language

00:04:53.700 and you know blocking and you know what you want to portray.

00:04:56.860 And so there, I think he was trying to show his sleeves rolled up.

00:05:00.580 He was cool, calm and collected and confident.

00:05:03.280 Cosmin, what was your take on this meeting?

00:05:06.200 Yeah, definitely.

00:05:06.840 He's definitely trying to portray a sense of confidence and assurance

00:05:11.380 to other members in his party that he's got things under control.

00:05:15.700 But it doesn't address the fact that most Canadians are looking at this government

00:05:21.600 as if they're not serving their interests and they're not able to pull together.

00:05:28.200 Because you still see these signs of rebellion within at least a significant,

00:05:33.980 I think I've heard numbers up to 40 Liberal MPs who don't have confidence in Trudeau.

00:05:39.940 So he must have some key supporters who are able to keep him there in place.

00:05:46.100 But whether that's actually going to translate to things working out for Canadians,

00:05:50.900 I don't think so.

00:05:52.220 One of the key issues that we were trying to push them to speak up about,

00:05:56.300 and we know for a fact that these members of Parliament,

00:05:59.280 particularly in the Liberal caucus,

00:06:01.380 were getting flooded with emails.

00:06:03.660 Hundreds, if not thousands, per email saying,

00:06:07.620 get rid of this carbon tax, for example.

00:06:10.060 And quite often when you get enough constituents pushing an MP saying,

00:06:14.380 hey buddy, your job's on the line because I'm not going to vote for you next time

00:06:17.440 unless you wake up on this stuff.

00:06:19.080 That's when you get them nervous.

00:06:20.840 And that's when you get them speaking up in caucus.

00:06:22.980 So as of right now for tape time,

00:06:25.940 we're about 24 hours out of the caucus meeting.

00:06:29.440 In my experience being a journalist on Parliament Hill,

00:06:32.600 now is kind of the time.

00:06:34.740 So the members of Parliament who had their say or didn't have slept on it,

00:06:39.420 they've thought about it a little bit more,

00:06:41.080 they might be gathering together in like secret meetings

00:06:43.380 at the pub over on Spark Street or something,

00:06:46.140 and they might be gathering courage to speak up.

00:06:49.220 William, do you think that there's still some legs to this?

00:06:52.380 Do you think that they still might find a way of pushing?

00:06:55.260 Because there was this document apparently that was going around,

00:06:57.700 I haven't seen it, of getting them to sign basically a pledge

00:07:01.440 of I will stand up to Trudeau, something like that.

00:07:05.460 Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to say to a journalist off the record

00:07:10.780 that you want to see the Prime Minister gone

00:07:13.840 and you think he's doing a terrible job.

00:07:15.860 It's another thing to actually stand up in a caucus room

00:07:18.620 and become publicly identified as an enemy of the Prime Minister

00:07:22.820 who continues to wield an awful lot of power in our system.

00:07:27.520 You know, one of the things I think Canadians

00:07:29.580 and other political watchers are going to be curious about is

00:07:32.960 what promises did the Prime Minister make

00:07:35.740 when he was in caucus to his MPs

00:07:38.260 in order to try and keep them on board?

00:07:40.520 Did he promise staff changes?

00:07:42.200 Did he promise changes on some policies?

00:07:45.620 You know, are we going to see the end of the carbon tax

00:07:48.340 before the next election?

00:07:50.320 I mean, I know all of us here would be thrilled

00:07:53.400 if we saw that carbon tax go.

00:07:55.860 But of course, you know, that was sort of his signature policy.

00:07:59.180 So, you know, that would be a real defeat for this Prime Minister.

00:08:03.460 You know, and the other one is, you know,

00:08:07.140 the last time he encountered some real trouble,

00:08:09.020 he dropped Gerald Butts, at least formally, from his office staff.

00:08:13.820 I still suspect they stay in pretty close communication

00:08:16.360 since they were best friends for decades.

00:08:21.060 You know, I know there's a lot of growing resentment

00:08:23.840 about Katie Telford, the current chief of staff to the Prime Minister.

00:08:27.740 And, you know, one of the reasons you have staff

00:08:30.140 is so you can fire them when things get rough.

00:08:32.580 And I'm curious to see if we're going to see

00:08:35.320 any policy or personnel changes

00:08:37.120 coming out of the wake of this caucus meeting.

00:08:40.120 Maybe cabinet.

00:08:41.140 Maybe he'll do a cabinet shuffle

00:08:42.740 or add a few more cabinet appointments,

00:08:45.180 dangle some of those goodies.

00:08:46.620 Because cabinet ministers,

00:08:47.740 so your average backbencher,

00:08:49.920 Member of Parliament, makes just over $200,000.

00:08:52.920 You're a cabinet minister,

00:08:53.840 you're adding, like, another $100,000 onto that, typically.

00:08:57.340 So those folks are not hurting.

00:08:59.280 So I'm keeping a very close eye on all this stuff.

00:09:02.300 It was really interesting.

00:09:04.020 So I was there when there was a press conference

00:09:07.620 and then Finance Minister Paul Martin

00:09:09.920 kind of sort of indicated

00:09:11.840 that he didn't have full confidence.

00:09:13.460 And then Prime Minister Jean Chrétien,

00:09:15.160 then all hell broke loose.

00:09:17.020 Like we've said before,

00:09:18.200 things happened gradually

00:09:19.520 and then all of a sudden.

00:09:21.120 So it really kind of felt rolling into this caucus meeting,

00:09:24.180 like that all of a sudden could be happening

00:09:25.780 because we saw some signals coming from Mark Carney,

00:09:29.560 for example,

00:09:30.580 musing about his future in politics.

00:09:33.060 And then a really strong one coming from then,

00:09:35.620 from former BC Liberal,

00:09:37.280 British Columbia Premier Christy Clark.

00:09:39.960 And it was the weirdest announcement.

00:09:42.240 It was just like,

00:09:43.600 I'm not running for leader of the Liberal Party.

00:09:47.180 The strangest thing.

00:09:48.600 And so that would be really interesting

00:09:50.260 if she wanted to make that move.

00:09:51.680 Because again,

00:09:52.860 if one of the albatrosses around Trudeau's neck

00:09:55.780 is the carbon tax,

00:09:58.100 it was the BC Liberals that invented the darn thing

00:10:00.720 in all of North America.

00:10:01.920 And that was under,

00:10:03.160 including then Christy Clark's watch.

00:10:05.560 It was Gordon Campbell before her,

00:10:06.960 but she kept it going.

00:10:08.260 So that would be really interesting

00:10:10.640 to see if they could fit that into that narrative box.

00:10:12.960 We had a clip.

00:10:14.320 And so we have a clip here

00:10:15.620 of a Member of Parliament,

00:10:17.600 Liberal Member of Parliament

00:10:18.700 from Atlantic Canada.

00:10:20.200 And this is where reporters

00:10:22.500 kind of stake out the entrances of the building

00:10:24.960 as they're going into the caucus meeting

00:10:26.980 and coming out of the caucus meeting.

00:10:28.560 So it was a field day for the press gallery.

00:10:31.060 I saw a lot of them getting their workout in yesterday.

00:10:33.400 Sorry, my apologies to our dear True North watchers.

00:10:36.320 So this is a screen grab of the actual story.

00:10:39.880 I mistook that it was a clip,

00:10:41.720 but here we have a question

00:10:44.300 of whether or not they could vote

00:10:45.780 to topple the government

00:10:46.780 and saying that it's actually not out of the question.

00:10:49.260 And this is coming from Liberal Member of Parliament,

00:10:51.640 Ken MacDonald.

00:10:52.900 And the reason why that's significant

00:10:54.280 is that he's apparently not seeking re-election.

00:10:58.120 So he feels more entitled

00:11:00.180 or maybe liberated

00:11:01.500 to be able to speak about that.

00:11:03.820 Cosman, did you want to jump in here again

00:11:05.480 to figure out,

00:11:06.660 to let people know

00:11:07.880 where your stance is on this?

00:11:09.300 Do you think this still has legs?

00:11:10.920 Or do you think this is going to be put to bed?

00:11:12.600 They're going to have a long break over Christmas.

00:11:14.440 For sure.

00:11:15.920 I'm glad that you mentioned

00:11:17.280 that Ken MacDonald is not seeking re-election

00:11:19.740 because we have so many Liberal MPs

00:11:21.980 who are refusing to run again

00:11:24.080 under the Liberal Party banner.

00:11:26.980 And you also mentioned

00:11:28.400 the prospects of a cabinet shuffle.

00:11:31.460 We actually have a cabinet shuffle coming

00:11:34.380 because another minister also said

00:11:36.960 she won't be seeking re-election.

00:11:38.820 And that was a former agriculture minister.

00:11:41.320 I forgot what her latest role was,

00:11:43.540 but it was Marie-Claude Bebeau

00:11:45.020 who said she won't be running

00:11:47.140 for the Liberals again.

00:11:48.220 We've also seen Seamus O'Regan

00:11:49.880 not want to run for the Liberals again.

00:11:52.500 So I think there needs to be more attention

00:11:54.940 paid to that

00:11:56.240 because it is a sort of unspoken

00:11:58.720 way of signaling to voters

00:12:01.560 that you don't want to participate in this party

00:12:04.400 or at least you don't have any hopes

00:12:06.520 that there are future prospects

00:12:08.340 for you to be re-elected.

00:12:09.960 Great point there.

00:12:11.880 Did we want to move on to the CBC

00:12:13.940 speaking of broadcasters and Seamus O'Regan?

00:12:17.180 So Seamus was a backstory.

00:12:19.500 Again, Seamus was at CTV for a long time

00:12:21.860 as particularly at Canada AM

00:12:23.600 and I was the parliamentary producer for Canada AM.

00:12:25.900 So I worked quite closely with Mr. O'Regan

00:12:27.860 before he jumped into politics

00:12:29.160 and I didn't know that he was part

00:12:31.120 of Justin Trudeau's wedding party at the time.

00:12:33.340 So let's shift over to our other favorite broadcaster

00:12:36.320 that takes government money, the CBC.

00:12:38.560 So Catherine Tate, she's the president and CEO of the CBC. 0.90

00:12:44.660 People might remember her from past performances

00:12:47.400 at the committee.

00:12:49.460 So again, on Parliament Hill,

00:12:52.000 there's various committees in each separate room

00:12:54.280 and on different days, they'll have different meetings.

00:12:56.600 And one of these committees is the Heritage Committee.

00:12:59.600 The Heritage Committee is the one that grills Catherine Tate

00:13:03.480 whenever enough members of Parliament on that committee

00:13:06.280 are mad about things like pay and bonuses.

00:13:09.800 So this time around, she was called to the committee carpet

00:13:12.440 again to answer for the fact that last year

00:13:15.700 they handed out about $18 million in bonus money.

00:13:19.900 This is not just pay.

00:13:21.380 This is bonus money.

00:13:23.300 And so she had to face down quite a few questions,

00:13:25.800 things like, are we getting good value for money?

00:13:28.160 I just wanted to go around the horn on this first,

00:13:30.420 just to get you with your impressions of her appearance at committee.

00:13:34.940 William, you and I are both old enough to remember

00:13:37.080 that it was pretty rare to see somebody from the CBC up that high

00:13:41.740 being asked such impertinent questions.

00:13:44.060 And now we're kind of getting the front row seat lately.

00:13:47.280 Yeah, you know, every time I watch Ms. Tate come before the committee 0.98

00:13:52.980 and answer questions, I secretly think,

00:13:55.700 is she really on the side of the defunders? 0.69

00:13:58.520 Because you couldn't have asked for a better CEO

00:14:02.440 to be the poster child for why we need to cut funding to CBC.

00:14:06.800 The level of arrogance and of being out of touch

00:14:10.120 with everyday Canadians is so breathtaking

00:14:13.220 that it borders on almost implausible.

00:14:17.820 You do have to think, you know,

00:14:19.560 if she secretly got money from, I don't know,

00:14:22.680 True North to appear before a committee just to tank the CBC.

00:14:27.420 I can say as our chief operating officer,

00:14:29.520 we are not paying Catherine Tate.

00:14:31.900 But it would be money well spent, just saying,

00:14:33.900 because she's doing a great job.

00:14:35.160 Honestly, it is just so hard to believe when you watch her,

00:14:37.860 the sheer tone deafness of her responses.

00:14:40.880 Cosman, what was your take on it

00:14:42.320 after watching some of this?

00:14:45.120 Well, it was a sense of almost a lack of self-awareness

00:14:49.580 that I got from everything she says

00:14:51.700 anytime she's at committee.

00:14:53.740 She blames everybody else except for CBC's own performance,

00:14:58.380 their obvious bias.

00:15:00.580 I mean, this is a network

00:15:01.820 that sued the Conservative Party unsuccessfully.

00:15:05.140 They are constantly demeaning Canadians, 1.00

00:15:08.820 demeaning the values of working class people 1.00

00:15:13.000 and looking down their noses in their reporting.

00:15:16.820 And so it just strikes me like she's on her way out.

00:15:21.180 She's already, a replacement has already been named. 0.93

00:15:24.560 And there might be some truth to that.

00:15:26.560 Maybe she's just burning bridges. 1.00

00:15:28.580 Maybe she's just burning everything on her way out. 1.00

00:15:30.900 It was quite the performance.

00:15:33.820 And so to give folks some numbers,

00:15:36.000 because full disclosure,

00:15:38.200 I did work at the CBC for a very brief time,

00:15:40.580 around six weeks or so.

00:15:42.060 I have no personal axe to grind.

00:15:43.720 People, they were nice to me.

00:15:45.440 It was in the Ottawa Bureau.

00:15:46.760 This is about, for the Taxpayers Federation,

00:15:50.840 money and conflict of interest.

00:15:53.160 Because number one,

00:15:54.200 this is a huge waste of money

00:15:56.000 for a network that next to nobody watches.

00:15:59.260 And two, it is a conflict of interest

00:16:02.260 for journalists to be paid by the government.

00:16:05.520 Like to have to say that out loud is kind of weird.

00:16:08.280 So for those two huge reasons of waste of money

00:16:11.260 and major accountability issues,

00:16:13.660 the CTF is one of the ones

00:16:15.060 right in the ring fighting this.

00:16:16.220 So to go by the numbers really briefly

00:16:18.440 before we get to Catherine Tate's clip,

00:16:20.360 because they are spellbinding,

00:16:22.860 the CBC this year is costing taxpayers $1.4 billion.

00:16:28.000 To put that into perspective,

00:16:29.980 that kind of money could instead pay

00:16:32.040 the full-time salaries of 7,000 paramedics

00:16:35.160 and 7,000 cops this year.

00:16:38.520 That kind of money is the equivalent

00:16:41.060 of more than 80,000 households income taxes.

00:16:47.000 So the next time she tries to say,

00:16:49.060 oh, it's only costing a few dollars per Canadian.

00:16:51.380 No, no, no, no.

00:16:52.680 80,000 homes, not people, homes.

00:16:56.020 Picture that.

00:16:56.900 That is the federal income tax bill

00:16:59.220 every year going to this organization.

00:17:02.040 It is an astonishing amount of money.

00:17:04.440 And for the lady you are about to watch,

00:17:06.880 this is CBC CEO and President Catherine Tate.

00:17:10.480 Her salary would choke a horse. 1.00

00:17:13.940 She is paid more than the Prime Minister of Canada.

00:17:16.920 For anybody who's picking up on this as a journalist,

00:17:19.580 if you're looking it up,

00:17:20.800 she is under the Crown Corporation drop-down tab.

00:17:23.760 She is CEO level 7.

00:17:25.900 That means she's paid between $468,000

00:17:29.380 and $551,000 per year.

00:17:33.960 She's entitled to a bonus of 28%.

00:17:37.160 That bonus alone, guys,

00:17:40.300 is up to $154,000.

00:17:43.540 Her bonus is more than what 0.99

00:17:47.520 the average two-person family makes in a year.

00:17:51.040 So listen to this first clip here.

00:17:53.720 Ms. Tate, you said that it's confidential,

00:17:56.000 that information,

00:17:57.380 but that just doesn't work for Canadians.

00:18:00.400 Canadians look at $18 million awarded in bonuses.

00:18:04.200 The fact that you just spent $1,000 a night

00:18:07.740 for a hotel room in Paris during the Olympics,

00:18:10.000 and we are in a situation

00:18:13.100 where you are coming to the conclusion of your term

00:18:17.060 being paid more than the Prime Minister of this country makes,

00:18:21.080 and you refuse today to rule out

00:18:25.160 that you will receive either bonuses

00:18:28.560 or so-called performance pay

00:18:30.180 or a severance package at the conclusion of your term.

00:18:34.440 It's confidential.

00:18:35.720 It doesn't cut it for Canadians. 0.91

00:18:37.280 It doesn't cut it for parliamentary oversight.

00:18:39.020 So again, I ask,

00:18:40.960 will you specifically today share with this committee

00:18:44.740 whether or not you will refuse

00:18:46.560 a severance package or bonus

00:18:49.500 at the conclusion of your term

00:18:50.740 as President and CEO of CBC?

00:18:52.740 As I've said,

00:18:53.720 I consider that to be a personal matter.

00:18:56.340 And I believe I'm protected

00:18:57.860 by the Privacy Act in that regard.

00:19:02.380 So again, gentlemen,

00:19:03.800 to both of your points,

00:19:05.080 that sounds an awful lot

00:19:06.880 like I'm entitled to my entitlements.

00:19:08.260 Very much so.

00:19:10.620 You know, a small petty part of me

00:19:12.320 did wonder for someone who's so highly paid,

00:19:14.320 you think she could have afforded a better dye job 0.99

00:19:16.720 on that sparkly red hair of hers.

00:19:19.060 Look at you, Stassi, today.

00:19:21.040 I'm sorry.

00:19:22.000 I just...

00:19:22.660 I felt it's okay.

00:19:24.040 You see her hair,

00:19:24.900 you wonder every single time she chose that color.

00:19:28.080 No, I mean, $1,000 a night

00:19:29.800 for her to go to the Paris Olympics,

00:19:32.920 to the best of my knowledge,

00:19:34.120 she wasn't competing on behalf of Team Canada.

00:19:37.540 And so why was she there?

00:19:39.680 You know, why are we paying a bonus

00:19:42.380 to someone who has overseen a massive decline

00:19:45.820 in the viewership of CBC,

00:19:49.000 in the audience,

00:19:50.380 the revenue,

00:19:52.060 the reach,

00:19:52.980 and the influence of CBC?

00:19:54.900 More Canadians than ever have said 0.92

00:19:56.400 they do not watch CBC,

00:19:58.380 they do not trust its news reporting,

00:20:00.200 they do not believe

00:20:01.280 CBC journalists are fair and impartial.

00:20:04.160 And so bonuses generally are given out

00:20:06.100 to people who exceed expectations.

00:20:08.680 It is to be given on top of a salary

00:20:10.900 in recognition of a job well done.

00:20:13.120 Rarely is it given to celebrate failure,

00:20:16.440 but that seems to be the CBC's approach to bonuses.

00:20:20.220 I have some fresh, hard data on their viewership,

00:20:24.320 which was astonishing to me.

00:20:25.920 I can get to that in a second,

00:20:26.940 but I wanted to get Cosmo's thoughts in on that clip.

00:20:31.060 You know, for an organization

00:20:32.900 that you would think values things

00:20:35.220 like transparency and being forthcoming with Canadians,

00:20:39.560 they're not transparent at all.

00:20:41.340 They're not transparent about who gets bonuses,

00:20:43.660 how much bonuses are divvied out.

00:20:45.520 They're also not transparent about what targets

00:20:48.400 they're actually meeting to achieve these bonuses.

00:20:52.300 We're talking about an organization

00:20:54.380 that's on the decline.

00:20:56.560 You're going to bring up some stats.

00:20:58.100 They're losing viewers,

00:20:59.380 they're losing advertisers,

00:21:01.020 yet they're awarding themselves for what?

00:21:04.560 Yeah, big time.

00:21:05.660 So I've got some stats here.

00:21:06.980 Forgive me while I read them off my phone,

00:21:08.680 but it's coming out in an op-ed very soon in the newspaper,

00:21:11.900 but the numbers are astonishing.

00:21:13.700 So very quickly,

00:21:16.540 Tate says that Canadians are seeing good value for money,

00:21:19.340 but how can we know if nobody's actually watching it?

00:21:22.280 So CBC News Network's share of primetime is 1.7%.

00:21:28.400 That's lower than it was last time we checked.

00:21:32.080 So put another way,

00:21:33.600 98.3% of TV viewing Canadians

00:21:36.780 are choosing to not watch it.

00:21:38.680 So that is the news side.

00:21:41.680 And if you want to say,

00:21:42.440 okay, well, what about, you know,

00:21:43.840 the comedy drama, right?

00:21:45.080 What about the art side of things,

00:21:46.560 the fiction side of things, right?

00:21:48.580 That's even, that's terrible too.

00:21:50.700 So on the entertainment side,

00:21:52.300 they're not ranking highly either.

00:21:53.900 Their top rated show

00:21:55.280 is a show called The Murdoch Mysteries,

00:21:57.820 which is not produced by the CBC.

00:22:00.140 That is produced by a private company in Toronto.

00:22:02.240 They just air it.

00:22:04.320 They have the biggest audience for that one.

00:22:06.780 It's about 800,000 people.

00:22:09.260 It's 1.9% of the population.

00:22:12.920 And what was astonishing to me

00:22:14.360 is that Tate during the committee actually said,

00:22:18.860 well, if we didn't have programming,

00:22:20.800 like the wonderful show,

00:22:22.180 Son of a Critch,

00:22:23.740 it would be, you know, bad,

00:22:25.920 like basically for the world

00:22:27.300 is what she was implying.

00:22:29.080 So I got curious

00:22:30.940 and I looked up the ratings

00:22:33.120 for Son of a Critch,

00:22:35.040 which is based off of

00:22:36.320 the government paid comedian

00:22:38.000 Mark Critch's life.

00:22:39.860 And it's in its third season.

00:22:41.800 Who knew?

00:22:42.660 But you paid for it.

00:22:44.160 So I looked up how much that total is.

00:22:46.980 Where are we here?

00:22:48.040 So last year,

00:22:49.040 that audience was around 590,000 people.

00:22:54.200 About 1.4% of Canadians

00:22:56.780 are watching that show

00:22:58.240 that the CEO just mentioned

00:23:00.360 out loud with her face in committee

00:23:02.060 as being essential.

00:23:04.240 And one of her other things

00:23:05.760 that she said under questioning

00:23:06.920 about why she went to the Paris Olympics

00:23:08.720 is that, get this,

00:23:10.320 she was already there, guys.

00:23:12.460 She was already there vacationing in France,

00:23:14.780 of course, as one does.

00:23:16.260 And so she just popped into Paris

00:23:18.040 because she thought that Canadians

00:23:20.360 would be really concerned

00:23:21.520 if she wasn't there.

00:23:24.420 Yeah, well, absolutely.

00:23:25.600 I'm up nights wondering

00:23:27.420 where president and CEO

00:23:29.480 of CBC Catherine Tate is.

00:23:31.620 Also, I've never seen

00:23:33.520 Son of a Critch.

00:23:35.280 I'm now thinking

00:23:36.500 how much enriched my life would be

00:23:38.900 if I had watched three seasons

00:23:41.100 about a mediocre comedian

00:23:43.800 who few Canadians could pick

00:23:46.300 out of a police lineup.

00:23:47.320 My favorite CBC programming story

00:23:50.500 is I would say

00:23:52.060 CBC legitimately deserves credit

00:23:54.340 for Schitt's Creek

00:23:56.140 mostly because they did it

00:23:57.940 in partnership

00:23:58.460 with the private sector

00:23:59.620 and the private sector

00:24:01.160 had this impossible

00:24:02.240 or crazy idea

00:24:04.020 that they should produce

00:24:05.000 a television show

00:24:05.980 that people actually want to watch

00:24:07.900 in the world.

00:24:10.200 And so after it was done,

00:24:11.940 you would have thought

00:24:12.640 CBC would have looked at that

00:24:13.900 and said, wow,

00:24:14.940 we produced a popular piece

00:24:17.060 of entertainment

00:24:18.060 or at least we were

00:24:19.160 marginally part of it

00:24:20.500 in partnership with Netflix.

00:24:22.600 That was great.

00:24:23.660 Well, no, actually,

00:24:24.360 what they said was,

00:24:25.100 well, we'll never do that again.

00:24:26.360 They lamented

00:24:27.620 the commercial nature

00:24:28.680 of that partnership.

00:24:30.400 The fact that it

00:24:31.600 appealed broadly

00:24:33.720 outside of Canada

00:24:34.940 to an American audience,

00:24:36.960 you know,

00:24:37.280 where there's 330 million people

00:24:39.260 who like to watch TV.

00:24:41.280 And so I just love it.

00:24:42.680 A one tiny example

00:24:44.500 of CBC success

00:24:45.840 and they said,

00:24:46.820 well, let's never do that again.

00:24:48.440 Isn't it sad?

00:24:49.200 And so, you know,

00:24:50.140 I'm not an art critic,

00:24:51.620 at least while I am privately,

00:24:52.880 but I'm not,

00:24:53.660 I'm not paid to be an art critic.

00:24:55.740 I like pictures of horses, right?

00:24:57.680 That's not my thing.

00:24:59.000 But if people want to produce

00:25:01.380 obscure, weird art

00:25:02.960 for whatever reason

00:25:04.460 and however they want to do it,

00:25:06.460 however many people

00:25:07.220 they want to see it or not,

00:25:08.360 that's great.

00:25:09.800 Pay for it yourself.

00:25:11.460 Like pay for it yourself

00:25:12.600 or do a GoFundMe

00:25:13.820 or get a sponsor.

00:25:15.440 Get people to willingly pay

00:25:17.060 for the art

00:25:17.880 that you want to produce.

00:25:19.600 But you cannot produce

00:25:20.940 weird stuff

00:25:21.820 that people aren't

00:25:22.620 actually watching

00:25:23.520 if you're using

00:25:24.620 taxpayers' money.

00:25:26.000 And I have to read you

00:25:26.780 her actual quote

00:25:27.840 because it's almost

00:25:28.580 too hard to believe.

00:25:29.840 She said,

00:25:30.440 without a show like

00:25:31.700 Son of a Critch,

00:25:33.400 it would, quote,

00:25:34.420 be a huge impoverishment

00:25:35.980 of our status

00:25:36.920 and our place

00:25:37.840 on the world stage.

00:25:40.000 Like, wow!

00:25:41.440 So again,

00:25:42.080 this lady makes 1.00

00:25:43.240 probably over

00:25:44.040 half a million dollars

00:25:45.040 and her bonus

00:25:46.340 that she's entitled to

00:25:47.600 is likely more

00:25:49.200 than what

00:25:49.640 a two-person

00:25:50.280 working family pays.

00:25:51.620 So I wanted to take

00:25:52.660 this moment

00:25:53.120 to make a fun announcement.

00:25:54.620 So we finally have

00:25:56.300 these bumper stickers printed.

00:25:58.500 It says,

00:25:59.340 for folks just listening,

00:26:00.320 it's defunded the CBC.

00:26:01.800 It's a bumper sticker.

00:26:02.780 It's black, red, and white.

00:26:04.760 We get,

00:26:05.640 we have these done.

00:26:06.740 I have the box upstairs.

00:26:08.680 I'm going to be giving them out

00:26:10.280 at True North Nation

00:26:12.120 coming up this Saturday.

00:26:14.820 So I imagine

00:26:15.600 that they're going

00:26:16.140 to be pretty popular.

00:26:17.600 And you're both right.

00:26:20.220 She is really making

00:26:21.600 a solid argument

00:26:22.520 as to why we need

00:26:24.020 to defund the CBC.

00:26:25.900 Did we want to get

00:26:26.740 to our other story here

00:26:27.800 about,

00:26:28.280 this was a Parks Canada story,

00:26:30.500 Cosman,

00:26:30.940 that you had?

00:26:31.500 Do you want to move

00:26:31.980 on to there?

00:26:33.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:26:35.100 Parks Canada

00:26:35.820 is about to undergo

00:26:37.260 an apology tour.

00:26:38.940 They've flagged

00:26:39.700 27 different national parks

00:26:41.820 across the country,

00:26:43.300 including Banff,

00:26:44.280 including Pacific Rim,

00:26:46.100 Jasper as well,

00:26:47.900 to apologize

00:26:48.760 for the department's role,

00:26:51.440 supposed role,

00:26:52.680 in colonialism

00:26:53.620 and all of this damage

00:26:55.540 that that has caused,

00:26:56.920 supposedly.

00:26:58.060 And it's astounding to me

00:26:59.940 because Parks Canada

00:27:01.620 preserves natural sites.

00:27:03.720 Why is the Canadian government,

00:27:05.600 why do they think

00:27:06.460 that we need to apologize

00:27:07.780 for preserving the environment,

00:27:10.040 creating spaces

00:27:10.920 that everybody can enjoy,

00:27:12.960 First Nations,

00:27:14.360 everybody can enjoy

00:27:15.760 these spaces.

00:27:16.900 So we came across this story

00:27:18.640 because we filed an ATIP

00:27:20.400 and it was actually

00:27:21.300 at the tail end

00:27:22.580 of this 800-page document.

00:27:24.560 They had this map laid out

00:27:25.940 with all of the locations

00:27:27.320 that they plan on

00:27:28.360 having place-based apologies.

00:27:30.900 Now, I'm not 100% sure

00:27:32.540 exactly what that means

00:27:33.780 because Parks Canada

00:27:34.820 wasn't very forthcoming

00:27:36.500 when I asked them

00:27:37.320 for comment and clarification.

00:27:38.920 But the first location

00:27:40.640 flagged for this apology tour

00:27:42.680 was Jasper.

00:27:44.160 And this was supposed

00:27:44.920 to happen before,

00:27:47.000 it was determined

00:27:48.460 before the wildfires

00:27:49.940 actually broke out,

00:27:51.120 those devastating wildfires

00:27:52.660 that destroyed

00:27:53.380 a huge part of this town

00:27:55.360 and the surrounding area

00:27:56.520 and impacted

00:27:57.160 the national park itself.

00:27:58.880 But there was supposed

00:27:59.640 to be a exhibit opening

00:28:02.600 this September,

00:28:04.020 which was delayed.

00:28:06.040 So it still remains

00:28:07.620 to be the first place

00:28:08.780 that they want to initiate

00:28:09.980 this apology tour.

00:28:11.160 But Chris,

00:28:11.860 I want to turn it to you

00:28:13.620 specifically with regards

00:28:16.400 to the potential costs

00:28:18.160 of starting exhibits,

00:28:20.540 sending government officials,

00:28:22.080 all of the consulting

00:28:22.960 that goes behind

00:28:23.780 these procedures.

00:28:24.580 And something so grandiose

00:28:26.140 as touching the entire country,

00:28:28.560 you know, 27 parks

00:28:29.780 is a huge number.

00:28:31.640 Yeah, that'll be interesting

00:28:32.480 to see how much that costs

00:28:34.000 because Parks Canada

00:28:35.600 has been amazing

00:28:37.500 at wasting money.

00:28:39.040 Like folks might remember

00:28:39.980 very recently where

00:28:40.980 I forget how much money

00:28:41.900 we wasted.

00:28:42.620 I think there's tons

00:28:43.680 and tons of money

00:28:44.400 hiring sharpshooters

00:28:46.300 from overseas

00:28:46.960 to shoot deer

00:28:47.900 out of a helicopter

00:28:48.700 on some tiny little

00:28:50.100 Gulf Island

00:28:50.820 off British Columbia.

00:28:51.700 I'm already getting

00:28:52.920 all these alarm bells

00:28:53.760 from so many people

00:28:54.720 who live in that area

00:28:55.720 going, what?

00:28:56.480 Why?

00:28:56.880 Wait.

00:28:57.760 So we will,

00:28:58.960 I will definitely look

00:28:59.860 into how much

00:29:00.480 that is costing

00:29:01.180 because I bet you

00:29:02.100 it's a spectacular

00:29:03.040 amount of money.

00:29:04.620 And just to say

00:29:05.760 the Taxpayers Federation,

00:29:07.320 we try to help

00:29:08.180 everybody out.

00:29:09.400 And we hear from

00:29:11.140 First Nations people

00:29:11.880 all the time.

00:29:12.740 They want the same thing

00:29:13.600 that everybody else does

00:29:14.620 living in smaller towns

00:29:15.680 included,

00:29:16.280 like really good

00:29:17.360 accountable government,

00:29:18.580 nice, safe,

00:29:19.120 clean drinking water,

00:29:19.940 good schools

00:29:20.380 for their kids.

00:29:21.240 I have not had

00:29:22.120 one email

00:29:23.040 saying,

00:29:24.640 you know what

00:29:25.160 keeps me up at night

00:29:26.300 is making sure

00:29:27.280 that I get this

00:29:28.140 paid for

00:29:28.660 and all done

00:29:29.280 by the government

00:29:29.860 and bureaucrats

00:29:30.620 involved.

00:29:31.220 Like,

00:29:32.000 this just seems

00:29:32.600 like such a personal

00:29:33.380 strange thing.

00:29:34.400 William,

00:29:34.920 what was your take

00:29:35.460 on this?

00:29:37.160 Well, look,

00:29:38.460 Parks Canada

00:29:39.080 should show up

00:29:40.260 in Jasper

00:29:40.880 and apologize,

00:29:42.060 but they should

00:29:42.580 apologize for allowing

00:29:43.940 a huge chunk

00:29:44.860 of the town

00:29:45.420 to burn down

00:29:46.200 because of their

00:29:47.160 terrible policies

00:29:48.940 in that regard.

00:29:50.520 They dropped the ball

00:29:51.820 on maintaining

00:29:52.740 anti-fire provisions.

00:29:55.000 They weren't clearing

00:29:55.640 away the dead brush

00:29:56.780 that had been recommended.

00:29:58.140 They were silencing

00:29:59.060 internal criticism

00:30:00.200 of their policy.

00:30:01.700 They did not work

00:30:02.580 as full partners

00:30:03.440 in the fighting

00:30:04.280 of the fire,

00:30:05.020 turning down resources

00:30:06.180 that were available

00:30:07.040 to them

00:30:07.580 because they were

00:30:08.560 playing fiefdom

00:30:09.700 over that particular area.

00:30:11.620 So the people

00:30:12.860 of Jasper,

00:30:13.660 the people of Alberta,

00:30:14.800 and the people

00:30:15.220 of Canada

00:30:15.760 all deserve apologies

00:30:17.060 from Parks Canada,

00:30:18.340 but it's because

00:30:19.100 of their sheer incompetence

00:30:20.700 that allowed

00:30:21.260 a jewel like Jasper

00:30:22.820 to be consumed

00:30:24.000 by flame

00:30:24.760 rather than

00:30:25.780 an anti-colonial

00:30:28.460 feel-good

00:30:29.820 park nonsense

00:30:31.200 tour that they

00:30:31.860 seem to be

00:30:32.280 planning instead.

00:30:33.280 That I just

00:30:34.140 don't see people

00:30:35.080 rallying in the streets

00:30:36.100 asking for.

00:30:37.480 Like, really,

00:30:38.380 people are worried

00:30:39.000 about being able

00:30:39.520 to afford groceries

00:30:40.440 and their heat bill.

00:30:41.360 Like, it's just

00:30:41.940 mind-boggling.

00:30:43.460 You had another

00:30:44.520 real head-scratcher

00:30:45.580 there, William.

00:30:46.260 What was the story

00:30:47.120 coming out of

00:30:47.640 a med school

00:30:48.220 in Toronto?

00:30:49.040 I just saw

00:30:49.500 the headline of it.

00:30:50.640 Yeah, I, you know,

00:30:52.120 every once in a while

00:30:52.880 you run into a new story

00:30:54.180 that you have to read

00:30:55.100 at least twice

00:30:55.780 in order to make sure

00:30:57.180 that either

00:30:58.260 it isn't a parody

00:30:59.200 or that

00:31:00.860 what you're reading

00:31:01.900 is actually true.

00:31:03.840 And in the case

00:31:04.900 of Toronto

00:31:05.960 Metropolitan University,

00:31:07.300 which I think

00:31:08.380 most people still

00:31:09.180 remember as

00:31:09.800 Ryersing University.

00:31:11.180 Oh, okay.

00:31:12.540 I didn't understand

00:31:13.480 where it was.

00:31:14.380 Until Toronto

00:31:15.820 Metropolitan University

00:31:16.840 decided that it

00:31:17.660 wanted to be

00:31:18.300 Canada's wokest

00:31:19.540 university.

00:31:20.980 And as part of that,

00:31:22.380 they are opening

00:31:23.380 a new medical school.

00:31:25.300 But this new

00:31:27.140 medical school

00:31:27.920 is going to be

00:31:29.340 for racialized,

00:31:31.540 indigenous,

00:31:32.440 and quote-unquote

00:31:33.240 equity-deserving

00:31:35.400 applicants.

00:31:36.420 And in case

00:31:38.580 you're wondering

00:31:39.020 what an equity-deserving

00:31:40.720 applicant is,

00:31:41.800 I have a list.

00:31:42.940 It is racialized 0.98

00:31:44.720 people,

00:31:45.700 racialized immigrants,

00:31:47.100 and children

00:31:47.680 of racialized immigrants,

00:31:49.840 people with disabilities,

00:31:51.500 neurodivergence,

00:31:52.860 or those living

00:31:53.520 with chronic

00:31:54.040 health conditions,

00:31:55.740 people who identify

00:31:56.620 as part of

00:31:57.820 the 2SLGBTQ 0.56

00:31:59.920 plus community,

00:32:01.060 or gender,

00:32:02.220 or sexual minority.

00:32:04.240 So that's

00:32:06.440 their target

00:32:07.060 for their new

00:32:07.620 medical school.

00:32:08.660 That means

00:32:09.180 out of the 94

00:32:10.020 positions they're

00:32:11.000 opening,

00:32:11.880 75% of them

00:32:13.600 are being held

00:32:14.680 for those

00:32:15.520 specific groups.

00:32:16.840 Only 25%

00:32:18.300 are going to be

00:32:19.480 made available

00:32:20.180 to, you know,

00:32:22.980 the student

00:32:23.600 population at large.

00:32:25.560 They're also doing

00:32:26.340 a couple other things

00:32:27.080 that I think people

00:32:27.640 will find interesting.

00:32:28.700 The normal GPA

00:32:29.640 needed to get

00:32:30.500 into a medical school

00:32:31.720 is 3.9 out of 4.

00:32:34.040 I mean, you know,

00:32:35.220 medical school

00:32:35.800 is a tough gig.

00:32:36.720 There's a joke

00:32:37.360 why so many parents

00:32:38.880 want their children 0.99

00:32:39.760 to go become doctors.

00:32:41.520 It's a hard gig

00:32:42.440 to get.

00:32:43.420 But for these

00:32:44.100 equity-deserving

00:32:45.840 applicants,

00:32:46.760 they'll only need

00:32:47.500 a GPA of 3.3.

00:32:49.720 So far below

00:32:51.080 what non-equity

00:32:53.220 group applicants

00:32:54.440 are going to need.

00:32:56.020 But they also

00:32:57.000 will have to,

00:32:57.880 right here it says,

00:32:58.860 a 500 to

00:33:00.080 1,000-word essay.

00:33:01.720 about their identity

00:33:04.060 as members

00:33:05.140 of those groups

00:33:05.960 in order to be

00:33:06.880 considered

00:33:07.380 for application.

00:33:09.420 So the concern,

00:33:10.960 of course,

00:33:11.260 being when you

00:33:12.200 go to a doctor,

00:33:12.960 it's usually

00:33:13.980 under some

00:33:15.520 pretty difficult

00:33:16.560 circumstance.

00:33:17.140 You're either

00:33:17.880 injured,

00:33:19.380 sick,

00:33:20.140 could be facing

00:33:20.940 a life-threatening

00:33:21.840 condition.

00:33:22.900 You expect

00:33:23.640 your doctor

00:33:24.280 to know

00:33:25.040 everything there

00:33:26.360 is to know

00:33:27.040 about your body,

00:33:29.340 about your

00:33:29.920 medical treatment

00:33:31.840 and about

00:33:33.020 medicine in general.

00:33:34.220 You don't expect

00:33:34.980 them to kind

00:33:35.680 of know it

00:33:36.100 and you don't

00:33:36.540 expect them

00:33:37.060 to have gotten

00:33:37.720 into the program

00:33:38.540 and become a doctor

00:33:39.440 because of some

00:33:40.740 personal characteristic

00:33:41.860 that represents

00:33:42.980 on them.

00:33:43.620 I mean,

00:33:44.080 you know,

00:33:44.820 my question for,

00:33:45.840 I think,

00:33:46.180 both of you is,

00:33:47.300 if you found out

00:33:48.280 that your doctor

00:33:49.140 went to medical

00:33:50.060 school as a

00:33:51.220 diversity candidate

00:33:52.400 rather than one

00:33:53.300 based on merit,

00:33:54.440 would you have

00:33:55.860 concerns about

00:33:57.640 that particular

00:33:58.360 doctor?

00:34:00.760 Well,

00:34:01.560 so I'm a huge

00:34:04.120 Star Trek fan.

00:34:05.540 Like,

00:34:05.980 I don't care

00:34:07.020 if you're a

00:34:07.480 purple Klingon.

00:34:08.480 I want you to be

00:34:09.400 really,

00:34:09.900 really good at

00:34:10.340 your job.

00:34:11.100 Like,

00:34:11.320 no,

00:34:11.700 straight up.

00:34:12.280 Like,

00:34:12.640 I do not care.

00:34:14.800 What I desperately

00:34:16.380 care about is

00:34:17.440 merit because

00:34:18.760 that has results

00:34:20.120 because that is

00:34:21.380 what determines

00:34:22.060 a good outcome

00:34:22.840 or a bad outcome

00:34:23.660 in most things,

00:34:24.660 not just medicine.

00:34:26.340 But in this case,

00:34:27.400 you'd be directly

00:34:28.400 affecting patients

00:34:29.320 and their families.

00:34:30.920 And again,

00:34:31.400 there is an

00:34:31.860 accountability level

00:34:32.800 here of we all

00:34:34.240 pay for health care

00:34:35.380 in Canada.

00:34:36.280 Taxpayers do.

00:34:37.580 We all do.

00:34:38.900 So again,

00:34:39.900 I always go back

00:34:40.800 to this,

00:34:41.300 folks,

00:34:41.540 if you don't like

00:34:42.120 this,

00:34:43.120 contact your member

00:34:43.920 of parliament

00:34:44.480 and let them know

00:34:45.420 that you're opposed

00:34:46.780 to something like

00:34:47.380 this.

00:34:47.680 Cosman,

00:34:47.980 go ahead there.

00:34:49.460 The other

00:34:50.120 consequences of this

00:34:51.340 is that it

00:34:51.800 actually harms

00:34:52.800 the credibility

00:34:53.580 of the entire

00:34:54.860 industry itself,

00:34:56.340 the entire

00:34:56.800 medical profession.

00:34:57.800 When you are

00:34:58.940 causing doubt

00:35:00.840 within patients

00:35:02.060 about the,

00:35:02.820 you know,

00:35:03.240 competence

00:35:03.720 of their doctors

00:35:05.560 because of

00:35:06.860 programs like this

00:35:08.560 introduced by

00:35:09.420 universities,

00:35:10.400 probably encouraged

00:35:11.680 by diversity,

00:35:12.660 equity,

00:35:13.080 inclusion departments.

00:35:14.880 And it doesn't

00:35:16.300 really sense

00:35:18.740 that it doesn't

00:35:19.340 give the sense

00:35:19.980 that this is rooted

00:35:20.840 in actual

00:35:21.760 problems.

00:35:23.120 And these

00:35:24.280 initiatives don't

00:35:25.480 address the

00:35:26.640 endemic issues

00:35:27.960 that Canadian 0.98

00:35:28.600 health care has

00:35:29.700 with retaining

00:35:31.100 doctors,

00:35:31.920 hiring doctors.

00:35:33.320 We shouldn't

00:35:34.240 lower our standards.

00:35:35.300 We should make

00:35:36.040 it more desirable

00:35:37.040 to become a doctor

00:35:38.240 in Canada.

00:35:39.520 You know,

00:35:40.320 I just have to think,

00:35:41.320 if I was a student,

00:35:42.720 I had worked

00:35:43.840 so hard

00:35:45.000 in my undergraduate,

00:35:46.260 I put in all

00:35:47.280 of that extra

00:35:47.800 time and effort.

00:35:48.780 I have a 4.0 GPA.

00:35:50.820 I have a lifelong

00:35:51.520 dream of going

00:35:52.300 to medical school.

00:35:53.500 But then I find

00:35:54.620 out that actually

00:35:55.920 the position

00:35:56.660 that I would

00:35:57.300 have earned

00:35:57.800 under the merit

00:35:58.920 approach to

00:35:59.780 choosing doctors

00:36:00.700 was given away

00:36:01.940 to someone

00:36:02.500 less qualified

00:36:03.500 with, you know,

00:36:05.360 less skills,

00:36:06.300 less knowledge,

00:36:06.980 and less ability

00:36:07.560 for an entirely

00:36:09.080 superficial

00:36:10.640 personal characteristic

00:36:12.480 beyond their control.

00:36:13.780 It would be

00:36:14.800 maddening

00:36:15.580 to do that.

00:36:16.540 And what message

00:36:17.140 are you sending

00:36:17.740 to university students

00:36:19.660 where it says

00:36:20.740 how you were born

00:36:21.920 is more important

00:36:23.680 than your ability

00:36:25.280 and work ethic

00:36:26.540 when it comes

00:36:27.640 to your career?

00:36:28.640 I just think

00:36:29.480 what an awful message

00:36:31.300 we're sending

00:36:31.800 to young people

00:36:32.640 and potentially now

00:36:34.240 a very dangerous one too

00:36:35.800 if we're going to end up

00:36:36.660 with a bunch

00:36:37.040 of medical professionals

00:36:38.000 who really aren't

00:36:39.160 as qualified

00:36:39.680 as they could

00:36:40.440 or should be.

00:36:41.880 I am an eternal

00:36:43.360 optimist.

00:36:44.340 Again, why I'm

00:36:45.040 a Star Trek fan

00:36:45.820 and I think

00:36:46.620 if enough people

00:36:47.300 speak up calmly

00:36:48.420 and firmly

00:36:49.160 and genuinely

00:36:50.580 from a position

00:36:52.200 of concern

00:36:52.800 and love really

00:36:53.620 and they contact

00:36:54.480 their member of parliament

00:36:55.260 and they say

00:36:55.720 listen folks

00:36:56.320 this is why

00:36:56.960 I oppose this

00:36:57.880 for A, B, and C reasons

00:36:59.620 I do think

00:37:01.100 that people will change

00:37:02.180 and I do think

00:37:02.920 that if they want to

00:37:03.880 they can change

00:37:04.620 an enrolment policy

00:37:05.480 like this.

00:37:06.040 So I just want

00:37:06.780 to encourage people

00:37:07.540 don't give up

00:37:08.660 if you feel like

00:37:09.700 everything's closing

00:37:10.420 in around you

00:37:11.120 don't

00:37:11.880 because there's

00:37:13.420 so many people

00:37:14.620 who feel the same

00:37:15.380 way you do

00:37:15.920 you just need

00:37:16.920 to get off the bench

00:37:17.920 and get into the arena

00:37:19.120 and you can actually

00:37:20.160 make an amazing amount

00:37:21.300 of change happen.

00:37:22.660 It's one of the reasons

00:37:23.300 we're having our gathering

00:37:24.740 this coming Saturday

00:37:25.800 so do check out

00:37:27.360 True North Nation

00:37:28.740 basically you get this

00:37:30.660 but on very good

00:37:32.860 and healthy steroids

00:37:33.900 if that's a term

00:37:34.980 and we're all on stage

00:37:37.220 and we're all there together

00:37:38.580 and there'll be

00:37:39.760 a booth set up

00:37:40.620 the Taxpayers Federation

00:37:41.540 will have a booth

00:37:42.160 I'm not sure

00:37:42.680 who else will be there

00:37:43.760 there's going to be

00:37:44.640 things like t-shirts

00:37:45.500 and bumper stickers

00:37:46.300 and bracelets

00:37:46.820 and all that fun stuff

00:37:47.800 and you can meet

00:37:48.560 all your favorite

00:37:49.260 True North personalities

00:37:50.460 and listen to some of us

00:37:51.860 try to make some sense

00:37:53.160 on air

00:37:53.520 so click the link

00:37:55.000 there are still

00:37:55.680 apparently a few tickets left

00:37:57.260 and it's coming up

00:37:58.180 this Saturday

00:37:59.120 in Calgary

00:38:00.380 William and Cosman

00:38:02.340 thank you so much

00:38:03.060 for your time today

00:38:03.800 Oh well thanks for having us

00:38:05.560 it's always fun

00:38:06.320 you bet

00:38:07.080 and remember

00:38:07.660 everything is off the record

00:38:09.140 you just have to

00:38:19.860 scratch your head

00:38:20.660 over the doctor wine

00:38:21.640 you know

00:38:22.040 as we were joking

00:38:23.420 a little bit before

00:38:24.300 there are some jobs

00:38:25.680 where you don't really

00:38:26.900 have to know everything

00:38:28.180 about everything

00:38:29.120 in order to be good at it

00:38:30.140 you can make it

00:38:30.680 I would suggest respectfully

00:38:32.760 that in my job

00:38:33.860 you know

00:38:34.400 if I don't fully know something

00:38:36.080 you know

00:38:37.340 maybe something

00:38:37.900 doesn't perform

00:38:38.640 as well as it's short

00:38:39.460 or maybe

00:38:39.880 you know

00:38:40.680 it doesn't execute

00:38:42.540 as brilliantly

00:38:43.360 as we would have hoped

00:38:44.180 but very few people die

00:38:45.420 as if you know

00:38:49.040 most people die

00:38:50.980 in your youth

00:38:51.880 don't get it

00:38:52.560 because you know

00:38:53.300 you know

00:38:54.200 you know

00:38:54.540 you

00:38:54.980 you

00:38:55.200 you

00:38:55.300 you

00:38:55.480 you

00:38:56.160 you

00:38:56.200 you

Juno News - October 25, 2024

How “strong and united” are the Liberals？

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