Juno News - Imminent Election？ Three signs pointing towards an election being called THIS WEEKEND

00:00:00.000 very pleased to be joined today by some of my favorite people online i'm talking about brett

00:00:07.320 sears and kevin who runs the website or the x account government is corrupt so brett is an

00:00:13.780 independent researcher and citizen journalist and kevin does much of the same so gentlemen

00:00:18.540 thank you so much for joining us thanks thanks for having us back on thank you candace okay

00:00:24.220 so let's talk about the election because i think the election is coming we had uh philippe champaign

00:00:29.900 uh fleet francois champaign teasing the idea of an imminent election he was uh speaking to reporters

00:00:36.520 yesterday and he basically says that he thinks that the election is imminent we also heard from

00:00:42.800 liberal mp peter fracacostos i think i pronounced that correctly he told reporters yesterday i think

00:00:50.100 it's time for a government to earn a mandate let's play that clip it's better for the liberal

00:00:54.820 election sooner than later some of this polling momentum go and look i think the uh the country

00:01:01.540 is asking for uh an election i do hear that so i think it's time for a government to earn a mandate

00:01:07.880 to take on what is the foremost threat right now and that's donald trump and and the uh the u.s

00:01:13.280 government which was once an ally and now perhaps not so you can you can hear that he wants to have

00:01:19.980 an election i mean i think that's correct i don't think that mark carney is has a mandate or has any

00:01:24.440 legitimacy to the canadian public right now um but then you can already tell he's kind of pre-positioning

00:01:29.200 that this election is going to be all about donald trump and that's why they need an election um brett

00:01:34.180 what do you think do you think that we're going to have an election called right away and if so what's

00:01:38.320 going to be the major issue there yeah i think we're going to have an election pretty soon i mean if

00:01:42.900 you're looking at the polls i mean i don't as much as i trust the polls but they're showing that the uh

00:01:47.980 liberals are gaining a lot of ground some polls even have the liberals ahead of the conservatives

00:01:52.720 and i think that uh right after selecting a new leader in mark carney will be the best time uh for

00:01:58.740 them to to uh i i think that uh in in their opinion uh now would be the best time to call an election if

00:02:06.660 they're going to try to win so i think we'll have one uh like pure polyev has set this up as a carbon tax

00:02:14.320 election we have uh carney saying he's going to cancel the consumer carbon tax anyway uh it's kind

00:02:21.160 of that issue has kind of taken a back seat to everything that's been going on with donald trump

00:02:25.500 and the tariffs and i think that that's going to be the main the ballot box question here coming up to

00:02:31.420 the next election um what we're kind of seeing is uh it seems to be the parties the liberals and

00:02:40.160 conservatives ndp green who's going to be the toughest on trump i don't know that that's

00:02:43.760 necessarily a wise strategy uh perhaps it is for the for the liberals slash ndp but uh i would

00:02:52.180 personally like to see if the conservative ones gain some ground i think that they should uh

00:02:57.840 try more of a friendly approach approach with the trump administration and this message is for

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00:03:43.980 support independent journalism thank you so much back to the episode i'd like to see that too i mean

00:03:49.200 i think that if you have trump arrangement syndrome and you're anti-american and you don't like what's

00:03:54.680 happening in the south you have lots of parties to vote for right the liberals are right there the

00:03:59.380 ndp are trying to outdo the liberals as usual by going further to the left and then you have the

00:04:03.660 green party with the crazy lady um who's just constantly embarrassing herself and all of us 1.00

00:04:08.720 elizabeth may um so why not have one party that's more open to the idea of let's build a friendship

00:04:14.320 and a relationship we can communicate with trump we have people who have connections to trump i mean

00:04:19.440 even mp jameel javani is a close personal friend of vice president jd vance they went to law school

00:04:25.740 together and uh javani was down at the inauguration with jd vance like taking pictures together so they

00:04:32.060 obviously have inroads there that they could use but we don't we don't see any of that um instead we

00:04:37.720 see pierre polyev uh also trying to take the tough guy routine with trump uh trump said that polyev

00:04:45.740 is not a mega guy and i think that that pierre polyev has been using that message to echo like no i'm not

00:04:51.740 that kind of conservative i'm not part of the the that that part of the new right which i don't know

00:04:56.980 if that's a mistake or not what do you think kevin i can tell you that just by you know brett called

00:05:02.220 about the the polling but you know i don't really focus too much on the polling i look at poly market

00:05:07.100 right uh it's much more accurate because you know it's people that actually have skin in the game

00:05:11.460 people that make bets and a month ago um you know the likelihood of pierre polyev winning the next

00:05:17.540 election was at about 85 percent today it's 59 so everything that he's been saying over the last

00:05:23.940 month uh has clearly not uh done him any favors when it comes to you know the polling does show the you

00:05:31.040 know a similar trajectory uh but you know it does not do any favors when it comes to his likelihood of

00:05:36.860 you know forming the next government and we're we're it's pretty clear that he's lost his majority

00:05:42.200 lead you know even if he does win the next election he's not going to win a majority it's going to be

00:05:47.880 a minority government uh at best and then what happens then you're going to have what the the liberals

00:05:53.620 you know team up with the ndp or or whatnot and and try to create some sort of coalition to you know

00:06:00.920 topple the government in in in 12 to 18 months uh that is the most likely scenario and the worst case

00:06:07.560 scenario um you know for pierre polyev is that he he loses the election altogether and you know the

00:06:14.180 liberals go on to form a minority or or you know even even a majority government i don't think they

00:06:19.540 would form a majority government but you know uh a minority government is is likely um you know is in

00:06:25.560 the cards uh is so it's going to be a minority government 100 percent uh it just it's just a matter of

00:06:31.760 who is going to be um the opposition and who is going to be the prime minister well i hope you're

00:06:36.920 wrong i hope that that it it hasn't swung that badly because to me if canadians are that sort of

00:06:42.640 forgiving maybe naive to give the liberals basically a fourth term given that mark carney was justin

00:06:48.000 trudeau's uh advisor and that they seem to see eye to eye even yesterday he said it will be a very

00:06:52.880 seamless transition of course it will because carney has been the one advising uh trudeau and presumably

00:06:57.860 they have the same people working on their campaign the same team that's what warren kinsella

00:07:01.520 a liberal insider wrote on x a few months ago i want to pull this element into it as well though

00:07:07.220 because article in i politics saying that mark carney has not yet reached out to the ndp about

00:07:14.500 prolonging the current government this was the fear that a lot of us had that once mark carney became

00:07:19.960 prime minister rather than going to the public for an election he would try to make another backroom

00:07:25.460 deal with jagmeet singh we know that jagmeet singh is always willing to make a deal with the liberals

00:07:30.700 because when he does it gives him more power and allows him to stay in office longer i think that

00:07:35.580 you know one of the biggest losers out of the last session of parliament i mean obviously it was

00:07:39.260 justin trudeau he did so poorly that he had to resign afterwards but i think now the canadian mind

00:07:44.140 uh is focused on jagmeet singh for being the person the accomplice the person that propped up that

00:07:48.840 government for so long and so if there's one good thing that mark carney is doing so far it seems

00:07:52.960 it might be icing out jagmeet singh and saying i don't need you anymore i don't want to do a

00:07:57.360 coalition with you you're out of the picture i'm going to take this on my own go to the people

00:08:02.420 go to the governor general and demand an election ask for an election that that would be the best

00:08:08.000 course of action and it would be kind of delicious and fulfilling uh for jagmeet singh to be sidelined

00:08:13.800 in that way and that that does appear to be uh what is happening what do you think brett

00:08:18.100 um yeah like you said jagmeet singh he's already said that he would uh

00:08:25.200 um prop up uh uh you know the current unelected liberal leader he said you know he wants to do

00:08:34.580 it for working people of course that's obviously his excuse for everything uh working people whatever

00:08:38.760 that means to him i'm not exactly sure this he's not um the current government hasn't done a whole lot

00:08:46.300 over the past decade to help working people so what he sees in them you know who knows but yeah

00:08:51.900 like you said he wants to stay in power he'd be willing to do that i don't think it would be wise

00:08:55.860 for the liberals to to keep tagging him along if they if they're able to do it on their own and i

00:09:02.400 think that they're probably looking at their internal polling and saying that they that they

00:09:06.900 can form a government so without him there has been some talk that even if pierre polyev wins the most

00:09:13.380 number of seats that the other parties will try to form a coalition and i believe that's what

00:09:18.260 elizabeth may was talking about yesterday um where she was talking about how you know even if

00:09:22.780 pierre polyev comes out with most seats it doesn't necessarily mean he can form government in our

00:09:26.520 system that there could be a coalition between greens ndp and liberal to make more seats and that

00:09:31.660 would sort of look more like a like a european coalition that they tend to do where you know whoever

00:09:36.000 wins the most seats isn't necessarily the leader um to me that's kind of a terrifying idea i don't think

00:09:41.540 it's ever happened in canadian history i think that the party that gets the most seats should

00:09:45.080 always be the one that gets to form government um but i don't know you know these are these are sort

00:09:50.380 of rocky times and and it doesn't seem like we're always going with our political norms things are

00:09:54.640 changing uh what do you think kevin just want to you know address one of your last questions uh that

00:10:01.920 you posed to brett about you know jagmeet singh propping up the liberal government and you know he's been

00:10:06.940 doing that you know overt overtly right he's been you know in your face saying we're propping up this

00:10:13.040 government but what if he takes more of a um you know a subversive approach to it and props up the

00:10:18.880 liberal government by tanking his own party and pushing all of his supporters to vote liberal that

00:10:25.980 way he drives uh the liberal numbers up knowing he's already qualified for his pension his political

00:10:32.220 career in canada is is virtually over he's probably the most hated politician if not the you know in

00:10:38.800 the top three or four most hated politicians in in canadian history uh specifically because of of what

00:10:45.160 he's done for the last four or five years so why not you know prop out the liberal liberal government

00:10:50.780 uh in by tanking his own party and then you know they're going to be ndp will say you know it's time

00:10:56.860 for a leadership race and then vote him out and then he can sail off into the sunset i think that

00:11:02.940 is the the actual course um that that jagmeet singh is is is taking here uh he's he's attempting to

00:11:11.480 destroy his own party it doesn't take much you know he's pretty good at that and if you take a look at

00:11:16.700 you know some of the things that he's been saying you know he's just becoming ever more increasingly

00:11:21.540 insane uh and even yesterday he did a video about you know wanting to deny donald trump access to

00:11:27.240 canada because you know he's a felon and then he's you know asking vm party leaders uh to step in and do

00:11:32.840 the same you know and people are just looking at this guy like this guy is you know a no terrorist

00:11:39.760 who is even who is even to say that we should be denying somebody else access to our country when

00:11:46.860 when all of this ties to you know calis calistani extremism well you know it's it's like he doesn't

00:11:57.000 even have to just subvert his own party he just like naturally is so unliked right now that i think

00:12:01.700 as long as he is the leader of the party his party will collapse uh whether he whether he likes it or not

00:12:07.260 okay i want to move on here and talk a little bit about the latest in the tariff war if you want to call

00:12:12.200 it that uh or back and forth so yesterday as we told you on the show ontario premier doug ford was

00:12:17.860 coming out tough coming out strong saying that he had imposed a 25 tariff on electricity uh that

00:12:25.600 ontario supplies electricity to a few of the northern american states um and he was urging on

00:12:31.680 alberta premier daniel smith to do something similar with alberta energy with alberta oil uh premier

00:12:38.240 daniel smith thankfully shut that idea down immediately well uh ford's tariffs have been

00:12:43.860 noticed um and so we had at a white house briefing uh at a press briefing white house press secretary

00:12:49.820 carolyn levitt warned that there would be grave consequences on canada if they considered shutting

00:12:56.500 off electricity to americans and american citizens we have a clip of that conversations between the

00:13:03.560 administration and the canadians going on over this tariff because the ontario premier says the

00:13:08.340 next step is to cut off electricity to the u.s and the president put out a statement after seeing

00:13:13.700 those comments and said that it would be uh there would be grave consequences imposed on canada if

00:13:19.880 they think about shutting off electricity for the united states of america and our citizens

00:13:24.880 and so on top of that we had donald trump jumping on to true social and here is what he wrote he wrote

00:13:32.700 why would our country allow another country to supply us with electricity even for a small area who made 1.00

00:13:38.980 these decisions and why can you imagine canada stooping so low as to use electricity that so affects

00:13:45.760 the life of innocent people as a bargaining chip and threat they will pay a financial price for this

00:13:50.940 so big that it will be read about in the history books for many years to come and so you know on

00:13:58.080 the one hand donald sorry premier ford has this card saying you know these people do rely on energy from

00:14:04.020 ontario and we have this ability so if you're going to throw a tariff on us that will harm our auto

00:14:08.740 industry and potentially threaten the jobs of up to half a million canadians in ontario in the auto

00:14:14.860 industry uh then we're going to do this back but then you can also see trump's point which is like

00:14:19.560 it's kind of cruel to stoop so low as to cut people's electricity off in a cold winter um you

00:14:25.460 can see it from both sides um so that didn't last for very long right so so ford said that he had

00:14:30.600 introduced those tariffs and then we had both president trump and press secretary levitt coming

00:14:35.740 out really strong um well let's let's cut to yesterday afternoon when doug ford was speaking um to

00:14:42.900 the press looking a little bit demoralized here and talking about his um agreement basically to get

00:14:49.540 rid of these tariffs let's play that clip well just a little while ago i had an opportunity to speak to

00:14:55.520 secretary lutnik and secretary lutnik has sent out an olive branch to us uh to come down and immediately

00:15:05.360 uh meet with him meet with the whole trade administration and uh discuss the future

00:15:12.720 so there he was uh basically completely folding so i want to read what mark nixon uh had to say

00:15:20.820 about it on x he wrote uh doug ford tried to flex on the u.s with 25 tariff trump hit back with 50

00:15:27.500 tariff so one phone call later ford folded like a cheap tent now he's off to washington with dominant

00:15:32.600 leblanc like two kids set to the principal's office will he act tough in the united states

00:15:38.820 and then we said we had u.s commerce secretary howard lutnik and doug ford releasing a joint

00:15:44.920 statement together uh saying that secretary lutnik agreed to officially meet with premier ford

00:15:50.360 in washington on thursday march 13th alongside the united states uh trade representatives to discuss

00:15:55.460 renewed usmca ahead of april 2nd reciprocal tariff deadline in response terrio agreed to suspend

00:16:01.500 it's 25 surcharge on exports of electricity to michigan new york and minnesota so it looks like

00:16:10.000 uh brett that i mean after all that tough talk i don't know if ford considers this a win uh to me

00:16:16.900 it looks like he he tried uh and then he he effed around and found out basically um because as trump

00:16:23.780 said we're gonna hit a 50 tariff and that would be devastating so ford realized that hey we don't

00:16:28.600 actually have the trump card so to speak uh that we thought we did what do you think yeah i mean

00:16:33.800 trump put out a tweet he wrote uh because our tariffs are reciprocal we'll just get it all back

00:16:38.120 on april 2nd he went on to say that we don't need your cars we don't need your lumber we don't need your

00:16:43.060 energy and very soon you will find that out so you know and he's right about that he doesn't need any of

00:16:48.660 any of our uh cars our lumber or or energy uh really the united states is kind of doing us a favor by

00:16:57.840 by purchasing purchasing all that from us um and you know people talk about trump being

00:17:05.140 isolationist i think it's more of a uh case where you know he's he just wants to to be self-sufficient

00:17:15.720 in america i think canada should be more self-sufficient as well uh and i think that that's

00:17:20.980 something that's going to end up coming out of this for for both of our countries which which may

00:17:25.420 may be something that that's good um but yeah yeah well it's interesting so we had uh donald trump

00:17:33.700 responding to all of this so yesterday outside the white house he was speaking to reporters

00:17:37.520 he confirmed that the electricity surcharge had been dropped and he complimented doug ford so this is

00:17:43.240 sort of just quintessential uh donald trump the way he speaks uh complimenting doug ford calling him a

00:17:48.920 strong man uh and saying that they had reached a deal let's play that clip already canada and i

00:17:54.220 respect very much as you know there's a very strong man in canada who uh said he was going to charge

00:18:00.920 a surcharge or a tariff on electricity coming into our country uh he's always called and he said he's not

00:18:06.840 going to do that okay he's not going to do that and it would have been a very bad thing if he did

00:18:11.980 and he's not going to do that so i respect that so i mean you could call it a win i don't know to me

00:18:18.760 again ford comes across a little bit of a a blustering fool but i mean if the if the if the goal

00:18:24.840 here is to get the meeting go down to washington have the conversations eliminate these tariffs then 0.92

00:18:30.860 i don't know maybe maybe it's when what do you think a very strong manny column yeah so i mean

00:18:35.500 yeah if that was his goal to to go and get those meetings you could consider it a win in that sense

00:18:40.000 we have premiers acting like the prime minister of canada right now which is you know kind of crazy

00:18:45.440 to think about um i mean daniel smith was able to meet to meet with him at mar-a-lago without taking

00:18:53.400 this this approach of threatening to cut off oil to to the united states so i there's definitely other

00:18:59.780 routes he could have went went about it i am pleased to see the the way that trump uh reacted

00:19:05.620 to that in kind of a friendly way it seems to me that uh if and when polly peer polly out becomes

00:19:11.060 prime minister he may be able to walk back some of his uh comments about talking tough and not taking

00:19:18.300 off the tariffs um that the trudeau government at that time government did uh so hopefully this is a

00:19:26.700 gives polly have a chance to to uh walk back some of his earlier statements well i hope so i think

00:19:34.780 that if anything we should use this as an opportunity to liberalize our markets and i don't know if i

00:19:41.500 let's let's stick with with doug ford for a minute because one of the things that i noticed earlier this

00:19:45.360 week is that doug ford is out there complimenting the liberals so on a uh during a press conference on

00:19:52.460 monday he was praising prime minister justin trudeau saying that he was always willing to put

00:19:58.160 ideology aside for the good of the country i never saw that for one of the prime minister but uh this

00:20:04.180 is what doug ford had to say i also want to thank prime minister justin trudeau for as many years of

00:20:11.620 service to canada you know we we didn't always agree but when it mattered prime minister trudeau was

00:20:18.600 always willing to put party and the ideology aside for the good of the country it was i i missed that

00:20:26.320 okay uh then doug ford continues he was speaking on msnbc and he began praising mark carney saying

00:20:33.420 that he's a very bright individual and he understands finances like no other person let's play that clip

00:20:38.920 you guys are going through a transition in leadership as well you're about to have a new prime minister

00:20:44.600 mark carney have you spoken to him since he won and where do you expect him to take this fight

00:20:50.440 well i spoke to him uh yesterday he's very bright individual uh he understands finances like no other

00:20:58.560 person so i i guess i guess doug ford is just a federal liberal now i don't i don't know how else

00:21:05.000 to understand why he's out there doing this there's no reason for it there's no point i mean he's already

00:21:09.880 won his reelection and i don't know that he's going to try to convince what left-wing americans

00:21:14.440 on msnbc uh that that they're in good the canada's in good hands now uh what do you make of all this

00:21:20.280 kevin well if you take a look at it you know his track record of supporting the liberals he started

00:21:25.880 back in 2020 um you know when he he came out and uh what he did during the covid with you know shutting

00:21:34.200 down businesses right in line with the liberal government uh supported justin trudeau's uh

00:21:38.760 emergency measures act was in ottawa preaching about you know it's time to end this and you know

00:21:44.520 send the send the people home and and get ottawa back uh back to business so you know he's he's fallen

00:21:50.120 in line with with the liberal government for for a very long time and you know it's been my view that

00:21:56.760 you know that one of the most dangerous types of politicians in canada is is uh is a red conservative 0.99

00:22:02.440 people that run under the conservative banner but are are actually you know liberal in nature

00:22:07.720 and i believe even his brother uh before he died call him called him a pinko right so you know basically

00:22:13.000 a communist uh so you know this this is who doug ford is and this team canada approach right you

00:22:21.240 know quote quote team canada you know we're all in this together elbows up that is you know an election

00:22:27.240 strategy that's a re-election strategy coming from the liberal government that's a this is a marketing

00:22:32.280 strategy so the only benefit uh that doug ford is doing is to the liberal party itself so you know

00:22:42.040 one has to you know understand or maybe we have to become more clear as to you know where doug ford's

00:22:48.520 finances are coming from it would be nice if we could you know forensically audit our politicians to

00:22:53.800 find out you know who they swear allegiance to because it's obviously not the people anymore and it's

00:22:58.520 it's not just doug ford this is you know this is this is everybody uh but but it's clear that you

00:23:03.320 know and doug ford has said you know multiple times more than once that he he you know he enjoys talking

00:23:09.880 to christian freeland you know so you know i i believe that you know doug ford is is just a liberal

00:23:15.800 plant and it's it's a shame that you know so many people fell for his his uh and voted for him uh but i you

00:23:23.480 know like you can see their their argument you know who who everybody else is worse i mean sure but

00:23:29.000 the end of the day they they all fell in line with the same same ideology right so yeah doug ford uh not

00:23:36.760 not very good for the people of ontario and i think that you know he understands or and you know mark

00:23:42.920 cardi understands that you know how ontario votes is you know whoever wins ontario in in the federal polls

00:23:50.360 you know is basically you know sure to to to win the federal election so you know why not you know

00:23:56.520 get doug ford to help you campaign uh for the liberal party uh and then flip ontario to red from

00:24:02.760 blue and i think that's exactly what's happening so unfortunate uh brett did you want to comment on that

00:24:09.320 um yeah i don't know he doug ford is a liberal there's so that's kind of just what he ran on during

00:24:19.960 the election that's how he's always been acting he's always been friendly with the with trudeau the

00:24:25.080 federal government um he's not doing the federal conservatives any favors uh maybe he should be

00:24:32.360 focusing a little bit more on uh trying to help them get re-elected and not not start this cozying up to

00:24:41.400 you know the liberal party i want to shift gears a little bit and still talk about this tariff and

00:24:47.160 so-called trade war but talk more about canada's role in it so president trump recently said that

00:24:52.440 canada is charging between 200 and 250 tariffs on agriculture and dairy products the canadian

00:24:59.320 agricultural community has sort of hit back against that the legacy media has hit back against that

00:25:04.360 but the more that you look at canada's system the more you realize that we do have tariffs so as much

00:25:10.280 as we say that trump is imposing tariffs and canada's reacting with retaliatory tariffs the truth of

00:25:15.400 the matter is that canada has tariffs and that trump's tariffs are actually retaliated retaliating

00:25:21.240 against ours so we looked into it a little bit you know canada has a supply management system you might

00:25:27.720 have heard about that before and so this idea of a 250 tariff well the reality is that that tariff

00:25:33.720 doesn't even often kick in because it doesn't kick in because the market is mostly blocked from outside

00:25:41.880 dairy and specifically things like milk and cheese from coming in so it says according to our usmca

00:25:48.440 agreement says that this tariff would only apply if we were able to reach and exceed the quota on us

00:25:54.680 dairy exports agreed under the usmca agreement frustratingly the us has never gotten close to exceeding

00:26:01.160 this quota because canada's erected various protectionist measures that fly in the face of their trade

00:26:06.280 obligations canada's protected its dairy products under supply management which are policies that

00:26:11.480 are designed to protect canadian farmers block foreign competition block foreign eggs poultry and dairy

00:26:20.040 from accessing our domestic market so really i mean it it is the tariffs that are are there but it's also

00:26:28.120 supply management and the system and you know this used to be something that conservatives opposed right

00:26:34.760 like when prime minister stephen harper was in power i remember there was like a large debate within

00:26:40.680 the conservative party as to whether or not you know harper proudly abolished the wheat board and

00:26:45.800 said we don't need central planners anymore we're not living through great depression era time let's

00:26:50.040 get rid of the wheat board but then when it came to supply management of dairy he refused and more and

00:26:55.000 more conservatives within the party were voicing their opposition to this policy and in 2017 when they

00:27:03.000 were uh the conservatives were running uh a leadership candidate to replace stephen harper maxine bernier

00:27:09.240 who was the front runner at a time was running on a policy of abolishing supply management he just

00:27:14.520 barely lost that uh election to andrew shear who became the leader and andrew shear was very proudly

00:27:20.840 pro-supply management which contradicted his sort of free market ideas about how canada's market should

00:27:27.160 be run like the conservatives or the free market party pierre polyev is also a proud advocacy advocacy

00:27:32.600 advocate of the free market i think that's one of the strongest things that he does he's very

00:27:36.360 articulate very passionate about explaining why we need more free market reforms even when i sat down

00:27:42.280 with him a few weeks ago you know he was talking about milton friedman he was talking about austrian

00:27:47.720 economics and the need to have like freer markets and a tighter control on our money supply and yet when

00:27:54.040 it comes to supply management they don't they don't really talk about it anymore and we just pretend

00:27:57.640 it's not there or we pretend that it's a good thing well the americans are noticing it and it seems

00:28:01.720 like now is a good opportunity for canada to do something about that and maybe it's time to

00:28:06.120 dismantle it i mean from my perspective it's it's way past time that we should have gotten rid of this

00:28:09.960 when we got rid of the wheat board um and yet it seems like sort of it's become like a sacred cow in

00:28:14.120 canadian politics where none of the parties are willing to not not that it's not that they're not

00:28:18.840 even willing to criticize it they're not even willing to acknowledge it or talk about it they just

00:28:22.920 deny it and say like trump is wrong well there there is some truth here which is that canada doesn't

00:28:28.280 operate in a free market so this is one thing that i think is really important that we should

00:28:33.240 get rid of um kevin i'll bring you in on this i know you have some strong opinions about supply

00:28:38.120 management so what do you think yeah so you know i live in the dairy capital of canada right i'm in

00:28:42.840 the eastern townships of quebec you know there's you know this is where this is where the the dairy

00:28:48.760 comes from and you know people have to understand supply management came into effect under peer elliot

00:28:53.240 trudeau who was you know people say he was a liberal but he was actually ndp right he originally

00:28:59.240 came from the ndp party knew he wouldn't become prime minister under ndp switched to the liberal so

00:29:04.600 he's a communist um you know the supply management system is basically a ussr style system it's a

00:29:11.240 socialist style system that's designed to you know eliminate competition and have the government in

00:29:17.080 control of the market and when um you know peer elliot trudeau brought in brought in this uh the

00:29:23.160 system uh fast forward to today you know 80 of the the small and medium-sized you know family farms

00:29:29.960 have been eliminated just because the price of the quota has gone up and up and up and up and you know

00:29:36.920 your small businesses can't afford it so now they're forced to you know lease their land or you know sell

00:29:42.360 their land all together uh to to the large conglomerates um because they just can't afford

00:29:49.240 they just can't afford the quota so it's absolutely destroyed um you know the small and medium-sized

00:29:55.160 farming industry you know specifically in quebec and if you take a look at how it works right you know

00:30:02.040 they say in america oh you know um you know you know farmers get subsidies from from the government uh

00:30:08.120 you know to offset the prices which is which is true they get subsidies but if you take a look at

00:30:12.440 how it's applied here it's a regressive tax right because it's a tax on on the out on on everything so

00:30:19.800 it doesn't matter if you're making a million dollars a year or if you're you know on minimum wage and

00:30:24.520 you're part of the working poor you're still paying the same amount of tax so it actually penalizes

00:30:30.280 the poor far more than it penalizes you know the the the middle class or you know the the wealthier

00:30:36.920 people and there was a study back in 2017 or 2018 that it actually increases the average family's

00:30:43.720 you know annual grocery bill by about 800 to 1200 a year and that was back in you know 2018 you know

00:30:50.520 we know that you know the price of goods and uh has you know probably if not more doubled since then

00:30:56.200 so we're talking about probably close to you know 1500 or two thousand dollars a year if the consumption

00:31:01.480 hasn't changed by the from the average family so that is how much we are paying how much tax hidden

00:31:07.720 tax because it's not like it shows on a receipt or anything right it's it's a hidden tax that people

00:31:13.320 are paying to support this you know supply management system that provides no benefit uh to the country

00:31:19.320 whatsoever but allows uh you know uh you know the dairy cartel i guess you could call it to exert its

00:31:25.960 political might on on you know on parties to influence elections and you talked about maxime

00:31:33.240 bernier versus andrew sheer and who's to say that the day you know the people from you know the the

00:31:38.120 quebec dairy mafia didn't buy up conservative memberships and vote for andrew sheer because

00:31:43.800 he supported uh supply management which just gave him an edge and and and veto maxime bernier in that

00:31:50.440 election well it's interesting that you mentioned that because it was such a contradiction at the time

00:31:55.160 like it was so cringe that someone who was supposed to be from the base of the party about andrew sheer

00:31:59.800 here from the base of the party like a true free market conservative and yet he had this position

00:32:05.960 on supply debt management everyone knew it was so that he could get the dairy lobby there's a picture

00:32:09.880 of him so he kind of leaned into it and i think this was supposed to be sort of self-deprecating

00:32:14.280 um so he would take the jug of milk you chug the milk at the convention chug the milk when he was at a

00:32:20.760 bar like he was the guy drinking milk because he was supporting canadian milk and like i i get i

00:32:27.320 appreciate that it was sort of supposed to be a joke or a meme that he was making fun of himself

00:32:31.000 kind of uh but to me the underlying principle which is that like we believe in the free market we want

00:32:36.840 to liberalize canada's markets oh except for this one lobby that we're in the pocket of and so we're

00:32:41.400 just going to embrace that and drink the milk i want to bring a few statistics into this so this is from

00:32:48.040 phil kirpin who runs an american company um called americans for prosperity and he wrote on x that

00:32:55.160 canada adopted its soviet style supply management programs in the 1970s during the presidencies of

00:33:00.920 ford nixon and carter and here he he links to a paper that kind of just like describes the origin of

00:33:08.600 the canadian milk supply management committee which was founded in 1966 and it is responsible for the

00:33:15.640 supply supply management and then he you you can see he has this graph we have this graph here uh

00:33:21.000 figure one custom tariffs on selected over quotas products in 2018 and so it shows that butter is at

00:33:29.320 300 percent cheese is at 250 percent yogurt is at just under 250 percent chicken 250 eggs a little over

00:33:38.520 150 percent and turkey the same thing so yes canada does impose these tariffs and likewise we have

00:33:47.960 um another one from the food professor this is a great account to follow on x this is run by dr sylvan

00:33:56.440 shalbro who is a professor at dalhousie university and he shows the difference between supply management

00:34:03.400 versus no supply management i think we have this graph so he says since 1970 canada has lost 94

00:34:09.160 of its dairy farmers under supply management the same percentage decline as the u.s where no supply

00:34:14.120 management exists and therefore um industrial milk is three times cheaper supply management didn't save

00:34:20.360 anyone it only resulted in higher costs for canadians so you can see up top americans started out with so

00:34:25.240 many more uh dairy farms and in canada comparable less but we ended up in the same place um so despite having

00:34:32.360 this huge bureaucracy or this huge like program that prevents free exchange of goods canadians like

00:34:40.120 you said kevin end up spending much much more money at the grocery store we don't have the same selection

00:34:46.200 and yet we kind of ended up in the same place uh what do you what do you make of all this brett

00:34:50.840 yeah it's sad uh because i think that the last time we negotiated uh nafta which became the us mca

00:34:59.400 that would have been a perfect time saying that was a perfect time to get rid of supply management

00:35:03.160 it's always a sticking point in our trade deals uh we said not only with the united states i think it

00:35:08.920 was pompeo that time was coming up and telling us all this stuff about how how bad uh supply management

00:35:15.960 was to work with in negotiating international trade deals it was also a sticking point in the

00:35:21.240 uh european union trade deals if you remember that that's the one where christia freeland basically 1.00

00:35:25.880 came up prime because you couldn't get a deal right off the bat and that was also because of

00:35:29.240 supply management and you know it's it's um it during the during the leadership debate uh the most

00:35:39.400 recent leadership debate where priya polyev won they were asked if what they thought about uh the

00:35:45.000 supply management every one of the conservative leaders that are not just polyev but every one of

00:35:48.680 them answered that they would keep it and i don't understand why because uh sure you might get some

00:35:53.880 votes in a leadership race that's what how ender share like you said beat maxine bernier he signed

00:35:58.920 up a bunch of uh of liberals but in the federal election they're just going to vote against you

00:36:03.720 anyway you know they're going to vote for the liberal party because that's who who gave them the

00:36:07.880 socialist system and i'm glad that you pointed out kevin that this is a regressive tax because it really

00:36:13.240 is um you know it does affect poor people the most so if we had we have a chance right now

00:36:20.840 with negotiations with trump and the americans and to get rid of supply management again and i think

00:36:28.120 we should take the opportunity to do this it'd be best for canadian consumers but not only that it'll

00:36:34.280 be best for every other industry in canada because they all end up getting screwed over in these trade

00:36:40.440 deals uh because of the protectionist of the the dairy lobby well i want to sort of put this final

00:36:47.160 question out there so we had all of the conservative candidates agree on supply management i mean

00:36:52.280 there's so many other issues that they all just kind of agreed when it came to the political left

00:36:56.280 whether it be on health care or social issues like abortion it's like they've all just kind of come to

00:37:01.160 the liberal position to try to like neutralize the issue so it doesn't become a big deal in the election

00:37:05.400 but then we've seen the opposite happen with the liberals where all of the conservative economic

00:37:09.320 policies to do with getting rid of these damaging taxes like the carbon tax or the capital gains tax

00:37:15.400 and you've had mark carney come around and so we have this situation where we're running and it

00:37:21.560 looks like we're heading into an eminent election it could be called any day now and it's it's hard

00:37:26.360 to even know like from a policy perspective what the major difference is it almost just seems like it

00:37:31.880 will come down to personality like who do you like better pierre polyev or mark carney because when

00:37:37.320 it comes to policies i'm not i'm not really seeing a ton of daylight uh between the two what do you

00:37:41.960 what do you think kevin yeah like you know you know brett and i we've been talking back and forth

00:37:46.840 for a very long time there is really no difference between you know pierre polyev and you know justin

00:37:52.200 trudeau and i guess now with with mark carney specifically on on the social issues and you can

00:37:57.960 say i gotta gotta this or yada yada that but you know it's in the name progressive conservative the

00:38:05.000 progressive means that they're left leading right so the federal party doesn't have that name anymore

00:38:09.800 but they're still there's still a a left left of center party specifically because of what we've

00:38:16.840 talked about they support the supply management uh you know what would happen if you know pierre

00:38:22.760 polyev came out and said we want to dismantle socialized health care in canada you know the

00:38:27.560 media would have a dump on him right so you know all of these social policies um you know are are are

00:38:34.040 left-wing policies that either the the conservatives support by choice or they're forced to to support

00:38:41.480 it through you know through the media and whatnot so the longer that you know the conservative party

00:38:47.880 the cpc you know plays to this game of the media uh the more they're going to be pushed to the left

00:38:54.520 and the more that there's going to be a lot of people in this country that feel politically homeless

00:39:00.440 because i can guarantee you there's a lot of people coming up in this election that were peer

00:39:04.200 polyev supporters you know maybe on the right right end of of the peer polyev supporter not quite a pc

00:39:10.680 a ppc supporter uh but you know when they when he saw him veer to the left over this last you know

00:39:16.360 four four weeks six weeks um they don't know who to vote for they felt like they're they're politically

00:39:21.560 abandoned and so you know this is ultimately just just shooting himself in the foot and again it's it's

00:39:27.960 like who do you want okay who do we want to choose uh you know the doctor told us that you know we

00:39:35.000 whoops i think we're having some audio issues with you there kevin interesting that you said that

00:39:38.840 about health care though because uh juno news just published a story yesterday that found that nearly

00:39:43.720 half of canadians are open to private health care according to a study so this is a study done by

00:39:49.640 second street which highlighted that 48 of canadians are interested in learning more about private health

00:39:55.720 insurance whereas 32 percent are ready to pay for health care so i i think that that the the health

00:40:04.520 care issue is something that there is potentially room for the conservatives to come out with something

00:40:09.160 different and say hey i know how to offer better health care it's by offering a choice and that

00:40:14.840 doesn't necessarily mean to eliminate or get rid of the government program it can still exist but for

00:40:19.960 other canadians who would rather just pay out of pocket or pay for insurance out of pocket to get better

00:40:24.360 care they would have they would have that option and i think that yeah that you're highlighting like

00:40:29.400 a really important opportunity that i don't know that the conservatives will take maybe it's too close

00:40:33.880 the election for them to come up with a policy on something like this but it is a possibility uh what

00:40:38.760 do you think brett yeah um i think that uh it would be it would be good if we did look at more uh private

00:40:45.960 health care uh in almost every other country in the world uh they do have uh private health care

00:40:53.560 options a lot more than canada i think we're the only we're the most socialist country when it

00:40:57.240 comes to that um even look at the scandinavian countries they have private options australia

00:41:03.800 um and run the uh around europe so and those are all they all have uh ranked they are their health

00:41:12.040 care is all ranked better than canada's i think a lot of can canadians are scared that uh if you talk

00:41:17.560 about privatizing health care they look at the united states and say well look at the astronomical bills

00:41:22.680 coming out of the states and you know that's kind of you can't it's hard to have a discussion with

00:41:28.680 somebody about this without bringing up the united states but almost every other country in the world

00:41:32.600 does have uh private and public options and that's when when health care works best so i i don't think

00:41:39.400 pierre polyev should be scared to address that uh you see that in in well like you said that the polls

00:41:45.080 there and uh maybe the media media will attack him but you know what i think it's time for him to

00:41:51.800 take a different approach uh forget about the legacy media start working with uh you know in

00:41:58.360 more independent media like yourself and going on big podcasts like he did with he did with jordan

00:42:03.880 peterson there's lots of other uh other podcasts like that like joe rogan for instance had a major

00:42:10.440 influence in in the united states donald trump went on and he talked directly for to the people in a long

00:42:16.440 long form inter interview and um kamala harris didn't and that definitely hurt her you know so 1.00

00:42:25.080 yeah i i don't think you have to be scared about scared of the media anymore and i think that that's

00:42:28.920 one thing that that pierre should be taking into the next election yeah i agree that's one thing that

00:42:34.280 he's done so well during his career is pushing back against media lies and kind of calling them out in real

00:42:40.040 time and i think that the other side of the equation is well if you're not going to talk to the legacy

00:42:43.720 media so that people get to know you you have to do it elsewhere he's pretty good about reaching

00:42:48.680 canadians directly through his own social media but i agree i think that donald trump going out

00:42:53.800 on to podcast during the election in the states really helped and it helped jd vance as well because

00:42:59.800 jd vance was sort of new to the national scene and no one really knew him and the democrats were

00:43:03.960 trying to paint him as weird that was like that was the narrative in the media that he was a weird guy

00:43:09.560 and then all of a sudden he started popping up on these podcasts and you got to know him and you

00:43:13.880 were like hey he's not weird at all he's actually super normal and seemed like a nice guy and you

00:43:17.720 know seeing him on theo vaughn or tim dylan's podcast it really did i think change people's opinion

00:43:23.800 and and made him much more popular and i could see i could see the same thing happening with pierre

00:43:28.920 polyev all right guys thanks so much for joining us we're gonna wrap it up uh appreciate your time that

00:43:32.920 is kevin from government is corrupt x account and brett sears you can find him on x as well thanks guys

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