Juno News - Inside the trucker training scandal

00:00:00.000 hi juno news alexander brown here director of the national citizens coalition host of not sorry

00:00:10.320 take advantage of our promo code today at junonews.com slash not sorry if you've been

00:00:15.780 enjoying this show i'm a writer a columnist a communicator i've got a best-selling substack

00:00:21.880 and um as is the raison d'etre with this show we speak uncomfortable truths we we cut to the heart

00:00:30.340 of the matter because this is a moment for change and and we've all seen and felt what's going on in

00:00:37.660 our roads and we can all tell that something has gone wrong it is connected to immigration

00:00:42.880 we're seeing massive impacts in our trucking industry as as many of you have likely seen

00:00:48.540 that terrible accident in the united states down in florida and take a look at a clip

00:00:53.580 and since this shocking footage has come out

00:01:16.980 the u.s government has moved to to crack down on on these on these visas this man

00:01:23.200 entered illegally uh even through a recruiting process to even enter illegally which shows you the

00:01:30.520 the depth of the rot in the industry now today and canada needs something similar because we are giving

00:01:38.640 out you know it's an extension of our temporary foreign worker program these uh lmia's are are going

00:01:45.640 to truckers many of whom then don't pass the requisite safety inspections and get away with

00:01:53.020 it who who don't speak the language and understand the road signs and get away with it and there are

00:01:58.560 conversations and actions the americans are taking now that that canada should too

00:02:03.780 i've referenced this recently in a tweet um that i feel like the canadian public isn't entirely aware

00:02:12.300 of when the the terrible humbled broncos tragedy happened in 2018 that driver had 70 offenses in 11

00:02:20.880 days they were supposed to be off the road and and if they were if if this trucking industry hadn't

00:02:28.960 completely lost its way if we weren't in the early days of our immigration industry completely losing

00:02:34.020 its way you know one of the worst tragedies in the history of this country could have been prevented

00:02:40.220 jamie sarconic of the national post is is speaking well about this issue too

00:02:45.000 this is a moment to to bring these matters to light

00:02:50.200 there's an additional great interview i want you to take a look at as well uh from uh mocha

00:02:56.120 where he speaks to a trucker named sunny who's who came here 18 years old wanted to to be a truck

00:03:04.460 driver has watched what's happened to the industry over the last decades and he's he's about as candid

00:03:10.340 as it gets take a look this guy just got caught but they do this every day they hit people they

00:03:16.820 crash into people they cause accidents clash all the time since these immigrants started coming here

00:03:21.040 our truck insurance doubled up so do you have a message to the what you call the indian employers

00:03:28.380 do you have a message they're watching you right now what do you say i should go back to the country

00:03:33.200 and stop talking with mine straight up you guys destroyed my industry you guys think you're doing

00:03:37.720 well and you're successful because you're able to get trucks because you're charging lmi drivers

00:03:42.040 forty thousand dollars to start that's enough for a down payment for any brand new truck and then you

00:03:47.600 you guys pay them cents on the dollar even if you pay them and also you guys neglect maintenance you

00:03:52.740 guys are not smart business guys you guys are not good for the industry you guys are f***ing

00:03:56.760 everything up and the government i don't know why they allowed you guys to do this but it's

00:04:01.140 unacceptable now think what if i came into your country and did this bull would you like it so as

00:04:07.020 these issues mount as we all increasingly have these honest conversations we need to now turn

00:04:14.100 around and and force change with government we we see michelle rumple garner told this very show

00:04:21.240 that you know she's not optimistic about canada's new minister of immigration and and if the americans

00:04:28.620 are acting we have to act too because anecdotally we all leave the house and we see that something has

00:04:34.900 gone wrong on our roads and as things keep going wrong on our roads and getting worse and worse

00:04:41.440 i knew the guy to talk to gordon mcgill he's a great writer we've been talking since the covet days

00:04:48.000 he's got a huge book coming out called end of the road which promises to not just you know make policy

00:04:55.280 recommendations but name names he's going to be going at these these scummy employers the government

00:05:01.680 officials who who helped make this happen the the lobbyists the consultants the the drivers themselves

00:05:08.000 the the cowardly politicians this these are folks who should not be escaping the court of public

00:05:16.400 public opinion and honestly the courts given you know the the level of deceased and innocence who

00:05:22.960 are being harmed by this gord has also made recent appearances on tucker carlson steve bannon

00:05:28.480 he writes for newsweek he's been in the american conservative of late he's absolutely everywhere

00:05:33.360 he's got a great sub stack and so he's the guy to talk to he it it's got to be the end of the road

00:05:39.200 for this horrible you know abuse of this industry this this indentured servitude that is further

00:05:46.880 undercutting our workers much like you know all the abuse in our in our labor force in our immigration

00:05:52.160 sector right now but is is making our families less and less safe on the roads check it out gord mcgill

00:05:58.880 joins the show gord is a prodigious writer the expert of experts on this topic on on canadian

00:06:06.320 trucking and and the impacts from immigration he has driven all over the world and back again from

00:06:11.440 the ice roads to the australian outback he was the guy i thought of when it when it came to this issue

00:06:17.280 he's been on tucker carlson recently he's been in newsweek uh he's got a book coming out that we'll

00:06:23.600 talk about that i'm very excited to learn more about gordon mcgill thanks for being here and what

00:06:29.600 the heck is going on with your industry well hi alex uh thank you for having me and thank you to the

00:06:35.120 folks at juno news um i will uh alert your readers to the fact that you were one of like the first 20

00:06:40.880 people on my own podcast so thank you for returning the favor there you go what's going on well

00:06:47.200 well it seems like this issue of um very unsafe truck drivers in north america is coming to a head

00:06:56.880 on tuesday august 12th we had this terrible incident in florida it's been one of many and for the first

00:07:03.600 couple of days after the incident not much of it was discussed outside of the people like myself who

00:07:09.760 look into trucking crashes accidents and the overall health of the industry three days after the accident

00:07:16.720 dash cam footage looking at the driver was released um i think by my friend ike at a youtube channel

00:07:23.680 called bonehead truckers and it went viral immediately and then the political fight

00:07:29.680 started because as the florida highway patrol and other relevant authorities in florida began investigating

00:07:35.840 it it had all the markings of all the other larger bigger scale problems in north america a guy who

00:07:43.680 came here illegally a guy that has not assimilated does not speak english uh may was issued his cdl

00:07:51.120 illegally by washington state and then had it transferred to california and california didn't

00:07:56.080 do any background checks on him whatsoever and now he's working for one of these sort of uh scummy

00:08:01.760 little trucking companies that seem to escape any action by the authorities because we have an issue in

00:08:08.480 the united states called chameleon carriers some of us in the industry call it where um one organization

00:08:15.840 will have a number of llcs and then they use the sort of open market and motor carrier registration

00:08:21.520 numbers in the united states to avoid any accountability so let's say a gentleman like mr singh would have

00:08:28.960 been involved in more inspections or got caught at scales truck put out of service whatever you accrue points

00:08:36.080 what happens is is that these companies will take the trucks and the drivers and then just switch

00:08:41.120 the name transfer it to another entity and keep going despite the fact they've racked up all their points

00:08:46.880 like in the province of ontario they're called cvor commercial uh commercial vehicle operator record

00:08:52.640 and once you rack up so many points um the the government will come in and you know try and do its best to

00:08:59.840 figure out what's going on may up their enforcement actions fines maybe even pull trucks off the road

00:09:06.800 that system in the united states has been completely compromised by this chameleon carrier issue and the

00:09:12.720 chameleon carrier issue overlaps with the illegal immigration issue because most of the drivers those

00:09:18.320 people employ are recent arrivals who don't understand how the industry is actually supposed to function

00:09:25.200 and what the risks are when they get pulled over on the side of the road by the cops yeah and it seems

00:09:30.880 like in canada on the immigration front it's these are also drivers who you know are products of a

00:09:39.840 labor market impact assessment like right yeah they have come through the infamous temporary foreign

00:09:45.600 worker program that i've already been talking out you know i'm talking about a bunch on this on the

00:09:49.920 show talking to michelle rempel garner about it as well um i i worry about you know so many

00:09:58.800 second order effects from this but the moment this crash happened and i and i called you on the bat

00:10:03.840 phone and said come on the show i was brought back to 2018. i get that these are uncomfortable

00:10:10.160 conversations for for people to have but these are moments where we need to be unapologetic i was

00:10:15.360 reminded of the driver who you know wiped out that whole darn hockey team in saskatchewan and he he i

00:10:23.120 don't think the general public knows this i've put this in a tweet but this was in a cbc report at the

00:10:28.960 time but it generally wasn't focused on as as for some reason you know the the commentary it went all

00:10:34.080 in on like we can't kick him out like that that would be downright on canadian which he had 70 violations

00:10:40.080 in 11 days some of those were administrative but it spoke to negligence it spoke to a company that

00:10:47.840 didn't know its ass from its elbow it spoke to a callousness it spoke to a lack of understanding

00:10:54.000 of our roads and processes he should have been off the road and and there's some cultural stuff going on

00:11:01.600 here too on the subject of humboldt if i may that particular gentleman uh jasker at sings to do came to

00:11:08.880 canada i believe as a student he had done some business or commerce education in india and he was

00:11:15.600 looking to further it in canada and one of the undiscussed items that you have to talk to people in the

00:11:21.920 industry to understand and you have to talk to some of these punjabi drivers themselves which i have

00:11:27.120 done and associates of mine have done is that they're not coming here to be truckers right a lot

00:11:32.000 of people show up here either on a student visa they go to one of these scammy dodgy fake

00:11:37.840 universities like you've covered so well in your writings and then they find that the job market

00:11:43.040 is not what they were promised they find that the degree they're getting is not what it was promised

00:11:48.000 they find that the whole enterprise of moving to canada is not this like land of milk and honey

00:11:54.800 they were sold by recruiters and other people back home in india so they look around for something to

00:12:00.320 do and because the the sort of punjabi community had already sort of made you know deep penetration into

00:12:06.800 the canadian trucking business it's very easy for them to use their own sort of community contacts

00:12:12.960 to get into trucking and then they find out oh if i keep doing this and do it for long enough i can get

00:12:18.240 a permanent residency card and get back out of this stupid industry that treats me like garbage and takes

00:12:23.280 me away from home yeah i was i was reading on the in the harjinder singh case where he enters america

00:12:29.360 illegally but like in the buried beneath the lead is that he still went through like a recruiting

00:12:36.000 process like he's there he still had like an intermediary so you have these entire fraud

00:12:40.800 networks now that are sort of passing along these indentured servants to western countries that like

00:12:46.880 he had a recruiter to enter a country illegally and then we canada turns around and wonders why it has

00:12:52.240 such a problem with inland asylum claims and monkey business and and and folks sort of jumping job

00:12:58.400 streams when they came over here to study business management at strip mall college university like

00:13:04.880 it's that's the worry right and so the government would claim let's say in canada that there's a labor

00:13:13.120 shortage that we have to do things this way you're you're a lifelong trucker you you you know the industry

00:13:18.960 better than anybody is there actually a labor shortage or is this an excuse there is not now

00:13:26.080 nor outside of two very brief periods in the recent history of trucking

00:13:31.920 ever been a shortage of truck drivers trucking has a retention problem north and south of the border

00:13:38.160 and the corporate lobby groups who represent the very large carriers have figured out a way to turn

00:13:47.120 their retention problem which is their own fault which is the result i guess a little bit of market

00:13:52.720 forces but because they all undercut each other and they don't want to do anything to pay people

00:13:57.120 better or improve the conditions of the job they have marketed it to the government and to the public

00:14:02.160 as a shortage of drivers when you look through the issuance of commercial driver's licenses in canada

00:14:08.080 and the issuances of class ones and class a's and and canada and sorry and cdls in the us

00:14:13.920 there is always way more of them than there are jobs for those people with licenses okay and

00:14:19.680 starting around 1987 we start seeing in the news media these sort of like planted reports from the

00:14:26.800 american trucking association saying hey you know we have a truck driver shortage we need to get more

00:14:32.640 drivers but what they're what they're not telling you is that that's that shortage narrative has now been

00:14:38.240 in business for 38 years but if you know anything about economics if you are short of something if

00:14:44.080 you want more of something you pay more for it and you use market tools to increase the supply of what

00:14:52.080 it is you want the trucking industry acting on behalf of corporate america who want their things move cheap

00:14:59.200 has done everything possible to not actually use the market right outside of some niche industries right

00:15:05.840 there's there's certain there are certain areas of trucking where there are honest um you know real

00:15:11.760 capitalists real libertarian operators who will pay their drivers better look after them better and

00:15:17.120 they don't have a retention problem but all the big companies don't want to do that so they come to

00:15:22.560 the government saying hey we have a shortage can you help us so what's happened is is a corporate

00:15:28.000 welfare complex has sprung up where all of these truck driving schools exist right in order to give people

00:15:34.480 licenses nobody ever does any you know uh research on what happens to those drivers a few people have

00:15:41.520 done it but nobody talks about it in the media right most truck drivers in the united states enter the

00:15:47.280 truck driving industry and the sort of driver training system via these mega carriers these guys in the

00:15:53.840 long-haul truckload market who have basically pawned off the cost of their training programs onto the

00:15:59.920 taxpayer local state and feds and then most of those people quit within nine months to a year most of

00:16:06.640 the large trucking companies in the united states have a 100 percent driver turnover every single year

00:16:13.440 they just people quit nobody asks why what is the value to the taxpayer of continuing to finance this

00:16:22.080 system of throwing bodies at an industry that does not want to pay more for its own people and does

00:16:29.040 not want to solve all of the problems which are causing this shortage now where it intersects with

00:16:34.640 the immigration thing is this after many decades of this americans and canadians have gotten wise to

00:16:40.960 the scam at least on the working class you know not the media not the ruling class but people who are

00:16:46.160 presented this opportunity to go trucking they find guys like steve shelley and read his book you know

00:16:51.520 big red trucking in the decline of the american dream you know they find people like me online and they

00:16:55.840 find out holy cow all these people quit after a year and it doesn't actually pay that much and truck

00:17:01.600 drivers salaries are half of what they were in 1980 and inflation adjusted dollars and i have to be away

00:17:07.600 from home all the time and i have to deal with all these other doofuses on the road that keep getting

00:17:12.320 in accidents why would i choose this job so now that a lot of people are saying no way the the system has

00:17:20.160 to find new people in order to keep the wages down and not correct itself so now they've gone through

00:17:26.560 all the domestic people the government's gotten wise to this in the united states they've really cracked

00:17:31.200 down on another component to this which is the independent contractor and lease operator model

00:17:36.080 where they make american citizens into their own indentured servitude by uh hanging the note for owning

00:17:42.800 a truck on them but then the company owns all the cards and basically slave drives them right and they're

00:17:48.080 sort of legally obliged to pay for this truck it's all cost downloading there have been a number of

00:17:53.440 lawsuits about this and like basically american and canadian sort of you know people that grew up here

00:17:59.360 are like nope we're not doing this anymore so now the system is trying to use illegal immigrants

00:18:05.440 migrants refugees and you see this in america in 2021 during a covet demand spike everybody's at home

00:18:14.240 everyone's getting their government dollars to stay home we're all isolating so everyone's starting to

00:18:18.960 buy things on amazon and other online ordering systems you know they're buying wood from their

00:18:24.320 local lumber yard and drywall and remodeling and everyone's like buying buying buying but nobody's

00:18:29.280 out there doing doing doing so the demand for trucking went through the roof right so there was this huge

00:18:35.680 spike in 2021 market rates went up the american trucking association comes to the biden administration

00:18:42.480 and they are explicit about this it says in the documentation from the white house's own

00:18:47.600 announcement about this trucking task force oh drivers are getting a premium of seven to 12 percent

00:18:52.800 on their wages they didn't explicitly complain about it but they made it known that that was the actual

00:18:58.800 problem find me everybody is a capitalist until the price of labor gets bit up right so the biden

00:19:05.920 administration and their transportation secretary at the time pete buddha judge okay they have this trucking

00:19:11.280 task force buddha judge brings his mckenzie consulting buddies in to like figure all this out they get

00:19:17.120 all this expert opinion one of the people that testified to this task force is a guy named david

00:19:22.000 correll from mit he told the biden administration point blank one of the reasons the trucking industry

00:19:27.920 has had all these problems both with retention and bad driver behavior is detention trucks getting held

00:19:34.880 up at places waiting to load and unload and by our numbers that takes 40 percent of the total

00:19:41.040 trucking physical trucking capacity out of the market every single day fix that all your other

00:19:46.240 problems go away you don't need to hire immigrants you don't need to pay for these cdl mills anymore

00:19:51.120 just fix the detention problem and all these other problems go away what do biden and buddha judge and

00:19:56.960 mckenzie do totally ignore it they begin to work with about 10 states to reduce the requirements to get a

00:20:05.200 cdl this has been documented by my friends at american truckers united this organization in arkansas

00:20:11.200 they went and did all the research and showed using the government's own data massive spikes in the

00:20:16.400 issue of cdls but there was no increase in driving examiners dmv personnel or training schools none of

00:20:26.080 that was increased and in fact it had been decreased because many of these places were closed because of

00:20:31.680 covid where did they get the extra 400 450 000 cdls in 12 months they didn't get them domestically

00:20:41.360 so it's really this gosh we've seen it in so many streams these especially coming out of covid where

00:20:47.200 it's like you've given an inch and people have figured out how to take a mile many miles yeah you

00:20:52.400 have the you know the big consultocracy can can efficiency culture the heck out of this and i would

00:20:58.320 very much like the opportunity here to do a mckenzie episode and to do a dominic barton episode and to

00:21:04.240 to go into this because what you're describing too i've written about this quite recently in the hub and

00:21:10.080 part of my work with a group called project ontario is this also sounds like the student summer job

00:21:15.760 market this sounds like what's happening to young men or unemployment in canada with young men and

00:21:21.200 particularly ontario it's like at super duper record highs and it's just why can't you just pay them a

00:21:28.400 little bit more can i share something even more insidious that's connected to the trucking thing in

00:21:33.840 the us absolutely and i believe it's going on in canada as well i just wrote about this on my sub stack

00:21:40.000 these guys are so brazen now like you mentioned that there there was a you know a recruiter consultant

00:21:47.200 you know immigration person that helped the singh guy get in even though he was an illegal yeah there

00:21:52.000 are these small trucking companies now run by all these migrant groups and it's not just indians it's

00:21:57.360 guys from russia uzbekistan central america all over the place they have just decided that the united

00:22:03.120 states trucking market is theirs now okay they advertise in facebook groups and they are implicit if

00:22:10.400 not explicit in their advertising saying we offer flexible elds the eld electronic logging device in

00:22:18.560 2017 the american government was like we have to do something about road safety we are going to make

00:22:23.680 all truck drivers have a government mandated electronic tracking device to monitor their hours put in their

00:22:28.160 trucks canada now has the same it was immediately apparent that that produced the opposite because they

00:22:35.280 didn't address the economic circumstances right so crashes go up speeding goes up aggressive driving

00:22:41.440 goes up all these things go up what these foreign companies are offering is they're telling the people

00:22:46.880 they're hiring we have backdoor guys that will get in and adjust your hours so that you can keep working

00:22:53.360 for 18 or 20 hours a day and if the cops pull you over we've taken it out of your eld for you oh and

00:22:58.960 where are all of these eld backdoor operations located serbia ukraine russia colombia the philippines

00:23:07.520 these guys are everywhere interfering with the the sort of safety monitoring that's supposed to be

00:23:12.960 going on in the north american trucking industry and when they hire drivers they are telling them hey

00:23:18.000 you can run 4 500 5 000 6 000 miles a week right and then when you call them a a fellow sort of trucking

00:23:25.680 social media guy started calling these guys he comes to find out that he has to pretend to be

00:23:31.600 somewhere else the first question all of these companies ask you where are you originally from

00:23:37.920 because if you're an american or a canadian they don't want you because they know they won't be

00:23:41.920 able to slave drive push you to work over your hours their entire their entire business model relies

00:23:48.800 on abusing their own co-ethnics that they've hired through nepotism networks and then make them work

00:23:55.280 twice as hard as the people that already are already working twice as hard as everybody else

00:24:00.000 truck drivers are restricted on their hours of service in canada to working 70 hours a week

00:24:05.200 which is what like 80 90 percent more than the average person working 40 hours a week

00:24:10.560 and then these foreign gangsters come in and say no we have to double that again as the condition of your

00:24:16.080 employment so who do they get they get their fellow migrants from other countries who don't know any

00:24:21.520 better work them like dogs and then what happens they crash all over the place because they're

00:24:26.400 falling asleep at the wheel they don't know what they're doing to begin with and here we go death

00:24:31.360 and carnage all over our roads and i find it unconscionable still that we see you know opinion

00:24:38.960 columnists and lobby groups particularly in canada in the major papers um of late you'll see like the

00:24:44.880 globe or the star saying you know oh no no this is actually a good thing like don't you dare sort of cut

00:24:50.000 down the the or you know don't yank back on the taps here you know while it's still going full

00:24:55.280 blast it's it's even if one just wanted cheap replacement labor that's one thing even if one

00:25:02.400 was willing to to look away from public safety and they sure shouldn't because we all see the videos

00:25:08.640 and we all see the rise in accidents and anecdotally you just leave your house and you go i don't

00:25:14.080 remember this many you know trucks hitting overpasses and and and seeing so many dodgy passes on the

00:25:20.960 highways that these guys are also being worked to the bone there's already like a already this

00:25:27.280 humanitarian aspect of like the kind of conditions and so we are seeing the american government crack

00:25:33.200 down on these on these lousy licenses and practices sort of maybe it's maybe it's just symbolic to

00:25:39.760 start yeah to the canadian audience what would you do right now let's say you're in government

00:25:48.400 you know guys like you should be but i wouldn't want to wish that on you also

00:25:53.200 you know pit of vipers and all that what would you do right now to clean up the trucking industry

00:25:57.840 and to make canadian roads safer uh oh boy man i would go to every province and say you're not

00:26:07.520 allowed to let people do the driver training in their own language there's this crazy idea where

00:26:13.600 they can go through all the stages of their theory test in their training and then finally

00:26:17.680 they always say well the test is done in english okay so they did 90 of everything up to their

00:26:24.000 driving examination in their own language and then all of a sudden they have a full command

00:26:27.760 of english again that would end tomorrow canada's two official languages french and english pick one

00:26:33.920 go do your test that's it that's all you get also i would uh immediately impose a graduated licensing

00:26:40.320 system like they have in australia and new zealand where you do not get to go from driving a car

00:26:46.960 and switching that license to a class one in british columbia or western canada or class a in ontario

00:26:53.760 which allows you to drive a super b train such as the unit that jasker at sings to do crashed into

00:26:59.840 the humboldt broncos hockey team that would never have happened if we had a graduated licensing system

00:27:05.200 that would never happened if we still had trucking kind of run as a guild where the companies in the

00:27:12.400 business would police themselves that's what used to happen in like 70s and 80s if you didn't know how to

00:27:18.960 fix a truck change your own tires be able to communicate with people nobody would hire you

00:27:24.560 if you didn't have any uh business acumen or experience in the industry at all when you went

00:27:30.800 to a financing company to buy a truck they would laugh you out the door why are we giving you money

00:27:35.920 for a truck you you just showed up here yesterday and you have no idea what you're doing get lost

00:27:41.440 so like another component here that many people don't understand is that the the services which

00:27:48.160 are behind trucking are in on this the insurance companies the finance companies that lend people

00:27:53.520 money for equipment there's no barrier to entry with that they just throw money at these guys

00:27:59.600 without any vetting without any concern that they're ever going to get paid back

00:28:04.240 those used to be the barriers to entry to get into trucking like never mind the sort of deregulation

00:28:09.440 that took place that's sort of separate but you know nobody would give you money to get into the

00:28:14.160 business if you had no idea what you're doing now the business has been completely taken over

00:28:19.280 by people that have no idea what they're doing because of ease of credit and ease of financing

00:28:23.920 i would tighten that up immediately yeah the rot runs deep gord i'm deeply thankful for your your

00:28:30.880 common sense voice on this this is obviously a moment to to push and to course correct because

00:28:36.000 people are dying and we all have camera phones we all at scale we all have camera phones we all

00:28:41.360 have dash cam video now and we can we can see it governments can't ignore it and so where can people

00:28:46.800 find more of your writing and then tell us more about the book okay so you can find me at autonomous

00:28:54.000 truckers.substack.com uh i host the voice of gord podcast my podcast is hosted there i do a lot of

00:29:00.800 my writing there i've written for newsweek the american conservative the blaze have been asked to

00:29:06.000 write trucking stuff all over the place i i i used to work for a think tank in dc called american compass

00:29:11.680 i wrote for them um the book it will be out in march 2026 it's called end of the road inside the war on

00:29:20.560 truckers and it's going to be a broad overview of what's happened since the deregulation of the motor

00:29:26.960 carrier act of 1980 and today and why it is we went from uh a decent industry that you know looked after

00:29:36.960 it's it's drivers who are considered the knights of the road and everybody respected

00:29:41.520 to now when you see a truck on the highway you have to stay far away from it because it might kill

00:29:46.240 you how did we go from there to there why did that happen what are the economic and policy forces

00:29:52.320 behind it what has become of the north american trucker in 2025 they'll be publishing in march

00:29:59.520 gordon mcgill thanks for joining us thank you alex thank you for watching not sorry on juno news

00:30:05.200 i've been alexander brown take advantage of our promo code at junonews.com slash not sorry and i'll see you

00:30:12.640 you next week

Juno News - August 26, 2025

Inside the trucker training scandal

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