Juno News - Is Canada DOOMED？ Professor Gad Saad explains why Canada can’t shake the woke fad

00:00:00.000 So what that obnoxious, obese, white, liberal woman that you're referring to is doing, she's 1.00

00:00:05.880 saying Hector, yes, he may be a murderer, but he became a murderer because he lives in the white 0.99

00:00:12.740 supremacist society where he is victimized. So surely it makes no sense for you to double 0.71

00:00:19.060 victimize him either by deporting him or putting him in prison. Be kind, be suicidally empathetic,

00:00:26.340 give up your children for him. Hector deserves another chance.

00:00:34.000 I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you

00:00:38.400 today, folks. Professor Gadsad is going to be joining us in just a moment. Now, if you're

00:00:43.040 anything like me, you saw the woke mind virus sort of explode around the time of COVID. It just

00:00:49.380 seemed to be getting worse and worse and worse with Black Lives Matter, then the unmarked graves 0.99

00:00:53.440 hoax followed by the trans mania seemed like it was just getting rammed down our throat left right

00:00:58.640 and center and there was no end to it but then sometime around i don't know 2023 2024 there was 1.00

00:01:04.400 a total vibe shift and it seemed like collectively we were just done with these excesses people were

00:01:09.920 done playing into these silly mind games this idea that men can be women boys can be girls

00:01:15.680 that systemic racism is plaguing our society that canadians committed genocide all of this stuff

00:01:20.560 people were just sort of rejecting it. And we saw the election of US President Donald Trump

00:01:26.080 seemed like an end of wokeness. And yet in Canada, day in and day out, we have so many examples of

00:01:31.680 these excesses still playing out whether it's a horrific shooting in Tumblr Ridge, where the 0.98

00:01:36.960 police insist on using the preferred pronouns of the murderous school shooter is so ridiculous. 0.62

00:01:43.840 We see race based sensing happening in our courts all the time. Judges giving lighter

00:01:49.440 sentences to people based on their immigration status, because heaven forbid they get deported

00:01:53.300 if they come commit crimes in Canada, or saying that someone who's Black or First Nations doesn't

00:01:58.300 have to go to jail for as long because they lived in a racist society. It's still all around us. It

00:02:04.180 is still a plague on our society. It seems like Canada is just so doomed because we can't seem to

00:02:10.240 shake this ideology. Well, I'm very pleased today to be joined by Professor Gad Saad. He is a former

00:02:16.640 professor from concordia university he wrote the best-selling book parasitic mind how infectious

00:02:21.520 ideas are killing common sense a few years ago he is now a professor at the university of

00:02:27.120 mississippi old miss he's a scholar the declaration of independence center for the study of american

00:02:32.880 freedom down there and he has a book that is coming out on may 12th and i'm very excited about

00:02:38.800 i'm looking forward to this conversation with him to get into this idea of suicidal empathy

00:02:45.600 so the book is called suicidal empathy dying to be kind and i think it really does help us

00:02:51.920 understand the problem why we can't just seem to shake this woke nonsense so professor gadsad

00:02:57.200 thank you so much for joining the show i'm really looking forward to hearing about your book and

00:03:00.800 this conversation thank you for the lovely invitation and you are the author of the

00:03:05.600 best-selling book parasitic mind how infectious ideas are killing common sense that was a great

00:03:10.400 book that again helped us understand why elites are pushing sort of madness on society and how

00:03:15.280 it spreads and so i'm really interested to hear your new book and your new your new idea um and

00:03:21.040 how it differentiates from the parasitic mind so why don't you tell us professor about your new

00:03:24.960 forthcoming book great thank you for that question so we are a thinking and feeling animal right both

00:03:31.760 our cognitive system our thought processes and our emotional systems have evolved through evolution

00:03:38.080 to help us solve evolutionarily important problems.

00:03:41.560 Of course, if I need to hijack and parasitize your capacity to reason,

00:03:47.460 I then have to make sure that I zombify both of these systems.

00:03:52.220 So the parasitic mind explained what happens when your cognitive system is parasitized.

00:03:58.340 And now I complete the story by explaining what happens when your emotional system,

00:04:04.120 in this case, as invoked by your empathy module when it is hijacked. And so maybe I could explain

00:04:10.820 a bit what suicidal empathy is. Empathy is a perfectly laudable virtue. We are a social

00:04:19.420 species. And so in order for you and I to have a meaningful interaction, I need to put myself in

00:04:25.580 your mind and vice versa. One of the ways that we, the main way that we detect and diagnose whether

00:04:31.820 a child is autistic is we give them a theory of mind test, which they invariably fail. So it is

00:04:38.380 perfectly admirable if someone is empathetic, you want your veterinarian to be empathetic,

00:04:45.200 you want your physician or therapist to be empathetic, you want your spouse and best

00:04:49.080 friends to be empathetic. But like Aristotle explained to us several millennia ago, everything

00:04:56.180 in good moderation, too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good,

00:05:01.500 and much of life is spent finding that optimal sweet spot.

00:05:05.920 And that exactly applies to empathy.

00:05:07.660 If I'm not in the least bit empathetic,

00:05:10.160 that's called being psychopath.

00:05:11.980 If I am too empathetic,

00:05:14.080 that can lead to suicidal empathy.

00:05:16.100 So suicidal empathy is the misfiring

00:05:19.720 of an otherwise adaptive virtue,

00:05:22.400 not only in that it becomes hyperactive, right?

00:05:25.460 It overfires and it targets the wrong situations

00:05:30.200 and the wrong targets. So caring about the rapist is if he's a rapist of color becomes more 0.97

00:05:38.260 important than caring about the victim. Caring about the illegal immigrant is more important 0.96

00:05:43.920 than caring about the American vet who lost their limbs defending the freedoms of the United States.

00:05:49.340 And so empathy is great. Suicidal empathy is fatal. And so, I mean, as a society, like how do

00:05:56.960 deal with that right because it seems to me that you people are pretty tribal and we you know we

00:06:02.000 probably adapted to be empathetic to our own tribe in today's day and age with sort of like open

00:06:06.880 borders and in like a culture like canada that's you know we pride ourselves on diversity uh it's

00:06:13.200 it's hard to even be able to tell the difference between like who you should be empathetic towards

00:06:17.520 who you should be protective towards and and who you shouldn't right and and it seems to me that

00:06:23.280 canada really has sort of like lost its way so like like what are your what would your

00:06:28.240 recommendations be or what how should we take this information well there's a classic uh

00:06:35.200 task that you often use when you're studying how people engage in these sort of moral trade-offs

00:06:41.760 it's called the trolley problem in experimental philosophy right if a trolley is coming down

00:06:47.520 on these tracks and it's about to hurl into your three biological children's or you could pull a

00:06:52.880 lever and then it could be diverted and kill five random strangers. What should you do? Now, of 0.97

00:06:58.660 course, in a perfect world, you would want to save everybody, but we are endowed, as I mentioned

00:07:04.460 earlier, with an evolutionary calculus that causes us to have to engage in trade-offs and pros and

00:07:10.980 cons. So to your point about, you know, we're tribal and we should accordingly met our investments

00:07:17.360 in the appropriate evolutionary relevant way, it makes perfect sense if you asked most people,

00:07:23.180 would you rather jump in front of a bus to save your three biological children or five random

00:07:28.980 strangers? Most people would say, no, sign me up for me to die for my biological children.

00:07:33.740 That's because evolution has endowed us with that behavioral, cognitive, and emotional system.

00:07:39.980 Well, what Canada has done in its infinite largesse, in its infinite kindness, is it said,

00:07:46.660 I am not going to abide

00:07:48.760 by these evolutionary principles

00:07:50.660 we have transcended that

00:07:52.340 so when overlord Justin Trudeau

00:07:55.260 explained to us that we were

00:07:56.620 a post-nation state

00:07:58.620 or whatever terms he used

00:08:00.160 and of course

00:08:02.440 Carney mentioned that

00:08:04.400 there is no Canadian values

00:08:06.780 or Islamic values 0.97

00:08:07.680 that's precisely the reflex they're going for 0.73

00:08:11.020 which is we no longer 1.00

00:08:12.620 abide by these nativists

00:08:14.980 they didn't say the term evolutionary but these evolutionary imperatives we rise above it we're a

00:08:21.260 global village we love everybody equally all immigrants are equally likely to assimilate

00:08:26.620 well the average three-day-old pigeon knows that to not be true to be false but yet it is much

00:08:33.760 kinder and more empathetic of us to argue that every immigrant is equally likely to live out

00:08:41.280 the Canadian experience, you know, and fully flourish. Well, that can't be right, because 0.99

00:08:46.740 when immigrants come, some come with values that are consistent with those of Canada. Others come 1.00

00:08:54.660 with values that couldn't be more antithetical and incongruent with Canadian values. And the

00:09:00.580 inability to make that distinction is precisely what suicidal empathy looks like.

00:09:05.520 Well, it's interesting because you mentioned that Mark Carney said that Muslim values are Canadian values. And, you know, here we have in the city of Toronto, like a huge social problem where Jewish Canadians don't really feel safe in their own community.

00:09:21.020 We have synagogues being shot up. We have the U.S. consulate being shot up. We have these mobs of Islamists, basically threatening Jews.

00:09:31.100 Christians in Canada are also feeling under attack. As Juneau News has reported, some 120 churches have been vandalized or burnt down after the false discovery of unmarked graves in Kamloops at a residential school.

00:09:44.900 there's no remains that have ever been found. But you see these sort of like tensions playing out

00:09:50.360 in Canadian society. I know you've been a harsh critic of migration from the Muslim world,

00:09:56.900 particularly unvetted, right? Like people, like to sort of use an example of perhaps suicidal 1.00

00:10:03.180 empathy, you know, in 2015, we saw the Syrian civil war pour out and the Syrian refugee crisis

00:10:09.600 happened and Canadians really were empathetic and they wanted to help these Syrians. At the time,

00:10:14.020 was writing the Toronto Sun and I tried to point out that most Syrians have views and values that 1.00

00:10:19.160 are very counter to Canadian values. A full third of Syrians were supportive of ISIS, right? And I 0.99

00:10:25.160 think most Canadians would say, you know, ISIS values aren't Canadian values, right? And yet we

00:10:29.420 had so much empathy for this idea of these poor refugees fleeing war that we wanted to help them.

00:10:34.740 And it seemed to me that, you know, the past decade of having a lot of Muslim migration into

00:10:40.240 Canada has not served the population well, particularly to bring it back to the Toronto

00:10:44.520 Jewish population. I have a lot of Jewish friends who have fled Toronto, left Toronto, moved to

00:10:48.400 Florida, moved to Israel, moved to New York, anywhere to get out of that area because they

00:10:52.820 don't feel safe in their own community anymore. And it does seem like Canada is really being

00:10:59.480 strained and there's real problems, but it doesn't seem like we're paying enough attention to it.

00:11:04.680 So what do you recommend on that front? Well, I mean, and what I try to do, of

00:11:09.920 course, is to contribute to the battle in the informational landscape, right? That's why I write

00:11:15.580 the books that I do. That's why I give the lectures that I do. But ultimately, of course, you need to

00:11:20.680 have the people who hold the reins of power in terms of enacting policies to be able to

00:11:27.840 internalize the message that I'm suggesting, right? But again, what is baffling, even to the

00:11:33.560 one who wrote The Parasitic Mind and Suicidal Empathy, is the extent to which Canadians are

00:11:38.840 willing to be perfectly apathetic in their unwillingness to auto correct what again should

00:11:47.020 be clearly obvious to to a tree right I mean it really it now by the way I should mention because

00:11:52.860 I never like to sort of always have a pessimistic outlook there is some evidence that people are

00:12:01.560 waking up but the rate at which they are waking up is so much slower than the rate at which the

00:12:08.620 monsters coming for you. So let's take, for example, what you referred to a few minutes ago

00:12:13.640 about, you know, Islamic immigration and some of the problems in Toronto. By the way, you should

00:12:17.720 try to come to Montreal or go to Concordia and be a high profile Jewish professor and see how that

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00:13:26.220 this episode. It shouldn't have taken a lot of insight or ability to extrapolate or forecast

00:13:34.600 that if you let in millions of people that come from cultures where there is endemic

00:13:42.140 Jew hatred that is woven into the fabric of those societies. I mean, there are non-partisan

00:13:48.780 surveys, for example, Pew surveys, that demonstrate that the people that are pulled

00:13:54.720 from those societies exhibit anywhere from 95% to 99% hatred towards the Jew. So, I mean, if it

00:14:03.360 were 10%, that would be considered a problem. One out of 10 people hate the Jew, that would be a

00:14:08.040 problem. But if you're getting 90%, 95%, 98% that are saying, you know, yes, the Jews are a major 0.90

00:14:14.900 problem, and then you let in hundreds of thousands of those people, do you really then need to be 0.51

00:14:20.540 scratching your head in wonderment that there is increase in Jew hatred in Canada. So it's very

00:14:27.400 frustrating because these are problems that were of our own making. It's not that another society

00:14:33.640 had to go through the hard work of fighting against us in a kinetic war and then, okay,

00:14:39.520 they won. Good for them. Because of our suicidal empathy, we said, hey, you don't have to fire a

00:14:46.300 single shot we will show you to all of our riches you can destroy our heritage our culture our

00:14:52.280 society our religion because we will not be non-empathetic towards you there is death before

00:14:58.320 not being empathetic it's insane it it really is and it's it's shocking that we didn't really

00:15:04.740 think about this or or have have a conversation about it i think part of the reason i was warning

00:15:09.420 canadians at the time professor is because my husband is from iran originally and he fled his

00:15:14.800 family flight in the 90s and you know he told me in that part of the world and where he grew up

00:15:19.620 they would chant death to israel death to the jews and he was taught that if he shook a jewish

00:15:24.300 person's hand he was supposed to wash his hand afterwards uh because it was so like repulsive 0.89

00:15:28.720 whatever and it's like you know those are the values that thankfully his family rejected and

00:15:32.820 taught him otherwise but the the masses and the most people you know that's the that's the

00:15:37.240 environment that they're coming from and they're bringing those values slowly slowly slowly into

00:15:40.420 Canada. One of the things I noticed in your book is that you argue that our civilization is in rapid

00:15:46.840 decline. And I noticed that Elon Musk has, you know, been promoting your work. And he said that

00:15:54.740 this, he said this of the book, the Western civilization is doomed unless the core weakness

00:15:59.040 of suicidal empathy is recognized and actions are taken that are hard but necessary for survival.

00:16:04.420 Gad said articulates this well. All of Gad's books are great, including this one. I wanted to read

00:16:08.980 one other review that i i found to be really helpful michael schirmer who's a publisher of

00:16:14.740 skeptic magazine um he wrote this he said i'm deeply worried that the west faces a challenge 0.95

00:16:20.420 like no other but i was unable to link the desperate threats dei blm the trans movement 0.57

00:16:25.460 the fetishization of victimhood status the ennobling of terrorists and criminals the 0.69

00:16:29.860 failure to stop the drug and homelessness problems these are all things that we talk about all the

00:16:33.940 time at juno news and on my show and so he he basically goes on to say we're killing ourselves

00:16:40.420 with kindness and it must stop before the patient dies starting with this book which includes the

00:16:46.180 contagion's diagnosis prognosis and treatment what a great uh you know sell for the book so

00:16:52.580 i can you can you sort of walk us through like you know are we doomed and like what are the steps

00:16:57.700 that we need to take that we have to take to treat this societal ailment we so we're not doomed

00:17:05.300 there's a positive message but it's going to be tempered by a negative one so forgive me for not

00:17:11.380 being fully optimistic the the optimistic part is that there are clear policies and auto correction

00:17:19.380 procedures which we can get into if you'd like uh that exist that are identifiable that we could

00:17:26.900 implement to solve the problem. So that's the good news because it could be much worse, right?

00:17:32.140 If God forbid your physician were to tell you that you have stage four pancreatic cancer and

00:17:37.220 you've got two weeks left to live and there are absolutely no interventions, then you would be

00:17:41.580 much worse off. There is no possible intervention strategy. Here we do have a set of intervention

00:17:47.180 strategies, but now here comes the pessimistic part. I see zero evidence that the West in general

00:17:54.620 and certainly canada in particular is exhibiting any of the testicular fortitude that would be

00:18:00.860 necessary to implement a single millimeter of those policies so the positive is there are ways

00:18:07.340 to solve it the negative is there doesn't seem to be an appetite to solve it if anything there is a

00:18:12.540 doubling and tripling down of many of these suicidally empathetic policies well what are

00:18:17.660 yeah go ahead well i was just gonna say i mean it seemed like canadians did have a willingness

00:18:22.060 for change, right? There was a high appetite for change in the last election. We saw Justin

00:18:27.160 Trudeau be removed. To me, that was a step in the positive direction. But then, you know,

00:18:32.360 culturally and societally, we still see like every single job posting from a university

00:18:36.420 basically says white men need not apply. So we're telling young men that they're just not even

00:18:41.380 welcome. They're not even, there's no point in even trying, right? You know, we have all these

00:18:46.020 examples. Yesterday, the top story on our news site was about someone's indigenous ancestry

00:18:51.740 was a factor in their court ruling.

00:18:54.220 This man abused and assaulted a toddler, a six-month-old,

00:18:58.780 and he was just let off with a six-month sentence

00:19:01.380 because of the internalized abuse of his ancestors, basically.

00:19:05.820 Like, just, you know, we're so far removed from the basis of our society.

00:19:11.500 Like, the rule of law, the idea that all people are equal,

00:19:14.820 you know, that justice is blind, all these factors have just been, like,

00:19:18.920 and and and there's no it doesn't seem to me like it's slowing down or stopping us pretty much the

00:19:24.040 purpose of our news organization professor gad uh sad is to showcase these things and and show

00:19:29.800 canadians how much this stuff is still happening so let me mention a couple of things as relating

00:19:36.120 to what you just said number one that the the example with the indigenous uh perpetrator is

00:19:41.480 something that i exactly warned against in the 2020 book the parasitic mind where i contrasted

00:19:47.880 progressive logic to Sharia law. Sharia law basically, this is Islamic law, it basically argues

00:19:54.720 that the severity of the punishment of a crime depends on the identity of the perpetrator and

00:20:03.580 the victim. It is enshrined in Islamic law. So if a Jewish man kills a Muslim man, it is not the

00:20:11.560 same penalty as if a Muslim man kills a Jewish man. So imagine that now Canada is internalizing 0.98

00:20:19.060 the tenets of Sharia law. So maybe Mark Carney was right when he said Islamic values are the 1.00

00:20:24.980 same as Canadian values. So that's point one. Let's talk about your example with universities 1.00

00:20:29.140 and men need not apply. You may or may not know the example, and I discussed this in

00:20:34.100 the forthcoming book, University of Waterloo, which I would presume most of your Canadian

00:20:40.060 listeners would know, but it's the equivalent of a Caltech or an MIT, top engineering, top computer

00:20:46.340 science school. Last year, they put out two calls for Canada research chairs. So this is the highest

00:20:52.900 chaired professorship that is endowed by the Canadian government. So I'll just mention one

00:20:58.280 of the two Canada research chairs. They were looking for world-renowned experts in AI because

00:21:04.540 AI is now the hot thing. We want to be leaders in Canada in the AI revolution. If I were to show

00:21:12.940 you the actual call, which you may or may not have previously seen, it says the people that

00:21:19.120 could only apply for this have to be two-spirit, non-binary, transgender, and so on. So imagine

00:21:26.920 that the endower of the highest chaired professorship in Canada, which is the Canadian 0.99

00:21:34.680 government, is imposing the restriction of you being two-spirited or non-binary so that you can 0.64

00:21:43.140 attract the top AI talent into the country. That's what suicidal empathy looks like. Now, 0.86

00:21:48.980 Why is it suicidal empathy? Because it is arguing that in the competing calculus of being empathetic to truth and science or being empathetic to marginalized voices, always choose celebrating the voices of the marginalized people.

00:22:07.620 So we may not be able to get the top AI person who suffers from the indignity of being a heterosexual white male, because what is more important is that we get an indigenous non-binary person to fill that position. That's what suicidal empathy looks like.

00:22:24.080 Suicidal empathy is precisely the fact that in the year 2026, we are debating what constitutes

00:22:32.120 male or female, something that I warned about in the Canadian Senate in 2017, when until 15 minutes

00:22:39.480 ago, the 117 billion people that had existed on earth were able to fully navigate the very

00:22:47.800 confusing conundrum of who is male or female. Your ancestors and mine seem to know exactly how

00:22:53.460 to couple when they wanted to reproduce but now we no longer have that that's what suicidal empathy

00:23:00.340 does so the one-two punch of first parasitizing your cognitive system then parasitizing your

00:23:07.540 emotional system well now i own you in a true orwellian sense well it just doesn't seem like

00:23:14.100 we're a serious country right like if if you don't actually want to solve the problems that are in

00:23:18.580 front of you, then sure, prioritize hiring a two-spirited person for an important job.

00:23:23.700 You know, like I kind of think if you're having a heart attack and you need a doctor, you're

00:23:29.720 not going to say, actually, no, I'm going to wait until a two-spirited doctor can show

00:23:33.880 up to help me.

00:23:34.880 Right?

00:23:35.880 It's like, it's kind of about the urgency of the problem before you.

00:23:39.320 And so when I look out, Professor Saad, and I see, you know, a continuation of these policies

00:23:45.280 that just really drive me crazy.

00:23:47.100 And I do feel that socially and societally, everyone around me, people I talk to, they

00:23:53.720 all agree that this stuff has just gone too far and people are sick of it and they're

00:23:57.180 shaking their heads at it and they don't like it.

00:23:59.680 And we are starting to see some movement, like I'll give you an example.

00:24:03.200 In British Columbia, there's a conservative leadership race and all of the candidates

00:24:07.300 are saying, you know, enough of this sort of like land back, uh, indigenous property

00:24:12.060 right stuff enough with the the rights of the um indigenous veto power over resources like we don't

00:24:18.540 like this anymore we don't like this direction that our society's heading let's make a change 1.00

00:24:23.340 uh it seems to me that there is more and more of that but at the same time again like the people

00:24:28.780 who are in the positions of power just don't seem like serious people who actually want to take the

00:24:33.900 seriously is that is that what you did you do you find that as well in canada i mean i do but not

00:24:40.860 to the same extent as i might in the united states so you know as you kindly mentioned at the start

00:24:47.020 of the show i'm currently at old miss which is in oxford mississippi and one of the reasons one

00:24:52.620 of many reasons why i decided to to to join old miss is because when i walked around it seemed

00:24:59.020 like there was i couldn't find a single instance of parasitic wokeism none right and so even in

00:25:07.100 the context of the university campus i don't i don't mean to imply that everybody on the university

00:25:11.580 campus is non-woke but it certainly seemed to be in an astounding minority and they were quite

00:25:17.660 if if you had the blue hair you know the archetype you were probably very quiet in canada

00:25:24.060 here's what i typically see someone comes up to me and says oh professor sad i'm such a huge fan i

00:25:31.420 love everything you talk about i say oh that's very nice of you could you do you mind if i ask

00:25:35.660 you who did you vote for in the last election oh i voted liberal professor because i'm liberal so

00:25:41.500 how is it that from this side of your mouth you just said that you love everything that i stand

00:25:46.460 for and you support everything that i espouse but then from this side of your mouth you said that

00:25:51.580 you voted for the party that stands for every single contrary to what i propose so i wish i

00:25:59.180 could be as optimistic as you now it could be that maybe my vision is tainted by the fact that

00:26:05.880 to the extent that i exist within the university ecosystem i'm a lot more likely to see people who

00:26:11.680 are leftist and hence a lot more infected with all of these parasitic ideas but you are right

00:26:18.040 that the trucker who writes to me or the farmer or the welder or the corrections officers if they

00:26:24.440 are in canada are as you said pretty fed up with this nonsense well it's interesting at a university

00:26:30.520 campus that uh i i mean i i don't understand the mindset of someone who's still voting liberal

00:26:36.360 these days after everything that's happened but it seems to me i like i would diagnose part of

00:26:40.360 the problem in canada to our state-funded media and the sort of like propaganda machine that

00:26:45.960 operates not just the cbc but the newspapers as well and the other television stations and the

00:26:51.000 sort of mindset that these people have that you know somehow canada picking a big fight against

00:26:57.400 the united states is going to make us feel like like we have an identity again i just want to

00:27:02.120 share one other quick point that i noticed on your social media and i've heard about this a little bit

00:27:07.960 um and you had a great chart that you reposted and it's the percentage of young people diagnosed

00:27:13.960 with a mental health problem and this specifically is looking at white uh white women under or white

00:27:21.640 people under the age of 40. and it's just wild right like so on the left you can see the graph

00:27:28.040 here if you're a strong democrat so someone who is liberal someone who's left um 58 of them have

00:27:33.720 been diagnosed with a mental health problem and it's almost perfectly correlated right like across

00:27:39.880 like if you're a weaker democrat you know if you're a moderate you're only at 30 percent 35

00:27:45.400 if you're a republican and if you're a strong republican it's only 15 i mean 50 is still pretty

00:27:50.600 high um in in my mind but this sort of goes with the whole idea that that somehow like it's good

00:27:57.640 to be a victim you you want to seek out a victimhood status so that you can you can have like

00:28:02.200 a higher higher social status among your friends i suppose um but also that that the more liberal 0.96

00:28:07.960 you are the more likely you are to actually be mentally ill and mentally unwell i'm wondering 0.88

00:28:11.960 if you could comment on this one for us well yeah i mean the findings speak for themselves and i'll 0.86

00:28:17.160 build on those findings so in my previous book the one between parasitic mind and suicidal empathy

00:28:24.040 it was a book on happiness and in that book i uh describe the ubiquitous the unequivocal

00:28:31.640 unequivocal finding that has been replicated many times that when you look at the relationship

00:28:37.000 between happiness scores and political orientation.

00:28:40.880 Now, happiness is not the same

00:28:42.260 as suffering from mental disorder, as you mentioned,

00:28:45.140 but they go hand in hand together.

00:28:48.760 The conservatives are consistently ranked

00:28:52.660 as happier than the progressives.

00:28:55.700 And now I offer, I think what is a,

00:28:58.040 I mean, it's a speculative explanation,

00:28:59.600 but I think a very plausible one.

00:29:01.940 The conservative wakes up, is adjusted.

00:29:05.000 so that speaks to the the figure that you put up and is generally existentially pleased with

00:29:12.680 they live in a free society they have freedom of conscience they have freedom of speech uh they can

00:29:18.780 assemble with whomever they want yes it's not a perfect society but existentially they are

00:29:23.960 satisfied and they go on to tackle their day the progressive wakes up with terrible existential

00:29:30.420 dread. I live in a society sitting on stolen land. I've genocided the indigenous. I'm

00:29:37.620 Islamophobic. I'm transphobic. I'm misogynistic and so on. Therefore, the only way for me to now

00:29:46.040 feel happy is to socially engineer the existing society into oblivion. And then around the corner

00:29:53.520 lies unicornia. So I need to burn down everything that we currently have. And then we can all hold

00:30:00.340 hand, sing John Lennon, and be happy with having fig leaves covering our genitalia as noble 0.99

00:30:06.380 savages. So that's the problem with the difference in your political outlook. One set of people 0.90

00:30:13.580 believe, yes, of course we can always improve, but overall I'm filled with gratitude that I live in

00:30:19.000 a beautiful society. In the wide range of the buffet of societies, Canada or the United States

00:30:25.580 or the West would certainly be a place that you would want to live in compared to the places that 0.83

00:30:31.780 I had to flee from in the Middle East, right? But the progressive doesn't see it that way.

00:30:38.140 Let's burn it all down and start with a utopia. It's such a good way of putting it. And I notice

00:30:43.460 that myself, right? I have a lot of friends, a lot of family in the United States. I have a family

00:30:49.200 on both sides. My husband works quite a bit out of the United States as well. And sometimes I'll

00:30:52.800 bump into like a liberal friend and they'll say like oh uh aren't you worried about ice aren't

00:30:58.560 you worried about detention centers and it's like no actually i'm not because we're doing things

00:31:04.500 legally we don't go illegally and we don't commit crimes and and and and and i have the sense that

00:31:10.220 you know the united states is a great country it's a source for good it does remind me of the

00:31:15.300 scenes that we saw with the ice raids brothers that this will be my last question where you saw 1.00

00:31:19.860 sort of like these liberal mostly like middle-aged white women putting themselves between law 1.00

00:31:26.520 enforcement and a dangerous criminal that the law enforcement officers are trying to arrest and they 1.00

00:31:31.840 think they're being virtuous and they won't even believe there was one clip that was going viral

00:31:35.160 of an ICE officer saying you know the person that you're trying to block us from arresting

00:31:40.500 is actually a dangerous criminal he's murderer and he's he has this rap sheet and we have to

00:31:46.260 deport him for the safety of your own community and this woman like wouldn't accept it and was 0.80

00:31:50.240 like no you're you're you're trump's evil ice henchmen or whatever like it's like they live

00:31:55.340 in this like delusional world that's not rooted in reality you almost feel sorry for them but it's

00:32:01.680 like how did they get whipped up into this frenzy it's unbelievable so now let me uh draw a link

00:32:08.660 between the previous book and this book to explain what you just said so one of the parasitic ideas

00:32:13.680 that I cover in The Parasitic Mind is social constructivism, which is the idea that we are

00:32:18.820 all born with blank slates as minds, with equal potentiality, and anything that subsequently

00:32:25.860 happens in our lives must be due to some social construction, to the vagaries of the life

00:32:33.300 experiences that I've had. So if I end up becoming a dangerous criminal, it can't be because there

00:32:40.060 are innate differences between people in terms of their likelihood and their pension for criminality

00:32:44.860 and evil exists and must be punished accordingly. No, it must be because something was done to them

00:32:52.140 in society. Now, if you happen to be a criminal of color, you're indigenous to your earlier point, 0.85

00:32:58.160 you're black, you're Hispanic, then you've already had to face the indignity of living in a white 0.99

00:33:04.780 supremacist society, that's probably what caused you to become a felon. This is why in the book, 0.97

00:33:11.140 I call, I refer to these folks as blank slate felons, because surely, God forbid, they actually

00:33:17.840 have personal agency. So what that obnoxious, obese, white liberal woman that you're referring 1.00

00:33:23.700 to is doing, she's saying, Hector, yes, he may be a murderer, but he became a murderer because he 0.99

00:33:31.000 lives in the white supremacist society where he is victimized so surely it makes no sense for you

00:33:37.960 to double victimize him either by deporting him or putting him in prison be kind be suicidally

00:33:45.200 empathetic give up your children for him Hector deserves another chance wow it's such a it's such

00:33:51.800 a perfect way to help us understand like how people could possibly think that way other than 0.93

00:33:56.440 just saying it's got to be some kind of a mental health problem as that graph showed well professor

00:34:01.200 sad i'm really looking forward to your book it comes out on may 12th i encourage everyone to go

00:34:05.220 and pre-order it um we can help it make it bestseller so head on over there we'll put a link

00:34:10.200 in the description below the book is called suicidal empathy dying to be kind uh professor

00:34:16.360 gadsad thank you so much really appreciated the conversation today pleasure thank you for having

00:34:19.960 me all right folks it's all the time we have for today thank you so much for tuning in i'm

00:34:23.460 Candice Malcolm. This is Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

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Is Canada DOOMED？ Professor Gad Saad explains why Canada can’t shake the woke fad

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