Juno News - November 02, 2026


Is Canada helping the Democrats take down Trump?

Carney’s Trump strategy could cost Canada billions

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00:00:00.000 With the midterm elections in the United States just days away, the specter of foreign interference
00:00:10.620 is looming over that country from an unlikely source—Canada.
00:00:15.480 As Juneau News has reported, U.S. singles out liberal MPs in election meddling claims.
00:00:22.560 A U.S. ambassador, Pete Hoekstra, has warned the Kearney government its targeting of Republican
00:00:28.240 states with counter tariffs suggests Canada is interfering with the U.S. politics.
00:00:34.320 He points to this statement by Industry Minister Melanie Jolie as Exhibit A. Let's listen.
00:00:40.200 The U.S. is very reliant, particularly on our aluminum.
00:00:44.900 And that's why I went also to Europe, and that's why also the Prime Minister met with
00:00:50.640 President von der Leyen, because we need to have the same or pretty much the same countermeasures.
00:00:57.980 We need together to really have the same type of list of countermeasures because we're
00:01:05.420 doubling down on products that will have an impact politically in Republican states.
00:01:15.300 For his part, Prime Minister Carney denies Canada is doing any such thing.
00:01:19.900 The U.S. Ambassador to Canada, Pete Hoekstra, recently said he believes Canada is interfering
00:01:25.100 in the american midterms uh what's your response to that i he's he's wrong uh number one um and uh
00:01:34.220 you know if uh interference in the u.s midterms is standing up for canada and not accepting a deal
00:01:40.220 that wasn't in the interest of canada wasn't in the interest of alberta that's an odd way to uh
00:01:45.100 to spin that meantime a media report suggesting canada might have to bear some of the blame should
00:01:51.820 Should the Republicans lose the election was taken grossly out of context, says Pete Hoekstra.
00:01:58.140 Our guest today is investigative journalist and founder of the Bureau, Sam Cooper.
00:02:03.180 Welcome, Sam.
00:02:04.540 Good to be with you, Mark.
00:02:06.640 Now, you've seen these allegations of election interference made by people like Pete Hoekstra.
00:02:12.620 Do you put any credence on any of it?
00:02:16.300 Well, it's a complex situation.
00:02:18.360 the classical definition of election interference is it must be clandestine. It has to be covert.
00:02:26.140 There could be covert funds flowing. And so these statements by Melanie Jolie,
00:02:33.180 my first thought is this is not the brightest geostrategic or political thinker in the country.
00:02:39.120 It's almost like the type of thing the FBI would love to get on tape, the way she implicated
00:02:45.080 herself. So she gave Washington a very clear hammer to hit Canada that those statements
00:02:51.100 sound pretty incriminating. Now, do they prove that Canada is clandestinely interfering
00:02:56.560 in the midterms? No, but they prove that Canada has targeted red states in an electoral framework
00:03:06.420 and is putting pressure on those states from a business perspective by blocking products produced
00:03:12.600 there such as i'll say bourbon or other products that that are not going on canadian shelves so
00:03:19.080 look i don't think it's a cia case i just think it's a very overt case of what the politicians
00:03:25.240 call you know an air war campaign so look i mean uh it's hard to see them uh going to court with
00:03:32.920 minister jolie or any others but certainly it looks it looks like a type of interference and
00:03:39.800 And Mark, I'll add, you know, I'm reminded that in my book, Willful Blindness, I wrote about how the Chinese global ties, which is a CCP organ, warned that if an airmail tool conservative platform was a suggestion, won the Canadian federal election, this would lead to punitive meshes against Canada.
00:03:58.700 I wrote in my book, that sounds like a type of air war. And I was also reminded that John McCallum, our ambassador to China, if you'll recall, in summer 2019, Mun Wanzhou is in a Vancouver, you know, house arrest.
00:04:14.980 Our Michaels are in China in jail by the secret police. John McCallum trots out and says, look, if China hits Canada with any more punitive measures, it will only help elect the conspiratives.
00:04:28.480 So my point here is that, again, that would seem to be a very open statement by Mr. McCallum. But I later found documents, as you know, to report on election interference.
00:04:39.820 classified intelligence said john mccallum may have been pressed by chinese actors to make
00:04:46.140 statements about the man wanzhou case so my my end point here is underneath these high-level
00:04:51.720 statements we could even ask the question you know is minister jolie's getting you know sweet
00:04:58.620 nothings whispered in her ear from people that are friendly to china in that type of trade war
00:05:04.820 sort of uh conversation well people have become somewhat uncomfortable at least some canadians
00:05:11.380 with the rather cozy link between the carney government and people like obama the democrat
00:05:16.820 party in general as you know they hired a democrat operative maya johnson as coo of
00:05:25.300 carney's office i guess that's her title and her role is a little fuzzy but for somebody so 0.81
00:05:31.140 deeply connected with the Clintons. And when the Americans are not stupid, they can see 0.99
00:05:38.900 who this guy is surrounding himself with and who is aligning himself with. 0.98
00:05:43.060 And so there's a sense that maybe there was even some contact between the Democrat Party
00:05:49.300 and Mr. Carney in a bid to walk away from that deal back on August 21st, ahead of the
00:05:55.620 the midterm elections, which that deal may very well have given Trump a boost, you know,
00:06:01.680 going into the election. And so all of these things are suspicious. And even if there's no
00:06:08.020 there, there, there is smoke and where there's smoke, I mean, there might be some fire. I mean,
00:06:12.040 are we venturing down a dark path here by getting too cozy with one party and by playing politics
00:06:18.740 ahead of the midterms? Well, I agree with you. The case of the Democrat operative being now a
00:06:24.780 senior Carney advisor it's not hard to see grand strategy there and the fact that we have you know
00:06:31.360 Bill Clinton now out on the campaign trail talking about how President Trump slamming Canada with
00:06:37.580 rhetoric is deeply wrong whether right or wrong for Bill Clinton to say it is clearly campaigning
00:06:43.260 Barack Obama the same message and then I was reminded where we have this senior democratic
00:06:49.400 operative now on Carney's team. I remember with the whole Hillary Clinton email scandals where
00:06:55.280 there was, it looked like one of these liberal pollsters was talking back and forth with
00:07:00.520 sort of some Washington Democrats, very clearly showing that, look, it's no surprise that the
00:07:07.280 Democrats and the liberals in the behind the scenes, they're very friendly. And to me, it has
00:07:13.020 almost seen objectively that, look, of course, the Republicans and the conservatives probably would
00:07:18.880 have a more natural ideological affinity but i see what seems to be more networking and maybe
00:07:25.340 even more sort of uh you could even ask the question about think tanks and maybe even money
00:07:31.000 flowing potentially between networks in the democrats and the liberals which i think would
00:07:36.160 raise some questions if as you say could the carny liberals be getting sort of uh you know
00:07:42.560 any pointers from the democrats going in the midterms obviously to me that that could be a
00:07:48.120 concern if you're the Republican. Yeah, I mean, the Democrats may have even advised Carney to
00:07:53.140 target Republican states. Who knows? I can envision something like that happening, especially since
00:07:58.400 one of his key advisors is a former Clinton operative. But there you have it. Sam, you've
00:08:06.500 also written that Canada and its attempts to forge closer alliances with countries like China and
00:08:12.740 Russia is putting itself at risk, becoming more vulnerable to national security
00:08:19.680 attacks from those very same countries, which are seen largely as bad actors.
00:08:24.740 I mean, is there a danger here that as we distance ourselves from the United
00:08:28.820 States in favor of trying to establish closer ties with a country like China, 0.85
00:08:34.100 that we're in fact putting ourselves at risk here because of the long history 0.66
00:08:38.540 of those, of, uh, malfeasance by some of those other countries?
00:08:42.740 I think that's absolutely a risk, and it's a clear and present, almost proven risk right now. Mark, I've been reporting for the Bureau for the past three years on a document called the NSI COP 2019 Foreign Interference Report.
00:08:56.760 Only myself that I know in the world as a journalist has exclusive unredacted access to this explosive intelligence.
00:09:05.140 And what it says was the Justin Trudeau government was being warned in blaring alarms and reports from CSIS that Canada's government has ignored national security to pursue trade with China.
00:09:18.100 The same thing with India. The document spells out how an Indian diplomatic plot to target diaspora in Vancouver was disrupted by the Justin Trudeau office, basically stopping a CSIS operation.
00:09:34.340 And as I reported for the Bureau, in the wake of that, we've had assassinations in Canada that are alleged to be potentially involved in Indian geopolitics and transnational repression.
00:09:47.200 So my point here is that Mark Carney's, the Liberal Party that Mark Carney took over from Justin Juro did not address those warnings from 2019, has not meaningfully or at all, I believe, improved our national security.
00:10:03.320 And by doubling down on trade with China, it simply opens a wider gate in many ways from the, we don't know, the RCMP has a deal now with Chinese police that Mark Carney won't tell us about, trades deepening.
00:10:19.700 We now have Chinese journalists with greater freedoms, you know, to report in Canada. All of these I've reported are deep national security risks. And we don't have answers in Mark Carney's new national security plan about a plan, a plan to make a plan, how he'll address the threats from China, first of all.
00:10:37.720 But I also reported nations like Turkey, India, Russia, Iran, all of them acting on our soil, some of them potentially lethally, and Canada really hasn't done much about it.
00:10:51.300 Yeah, I mean, it makes you wonder that if we keep going down that path, to what degree we're going to be seen as a major security risk to our southern neighbors.
00:11:00.640 I mean, that's already happening. If you listen to some of the statements made by people like Tom Holman, for instance, they're worried about the northern border. They're worried about things happening here, about our relations, our growing friendship, if you want to call it that, with countries like China and others.
00:11:22.840 and to the degree that Canada will be used as a staging ground
00:11:27.280 for security attacks on the United States.
00:11:30.160 I think that's something that could become a major irritant in the years ahead,
00:11:34.360 far more than, say, the trade problems that we now have with that country.
00:11:39.740 What do you think of that?
00:11:42.200 That's entirely accurate.
00:11:44.420 I've reported that at the Bureau.
00:11:46.180 I'm working on a new book on this very point.
00:11:48.800 you point to tom holman cash patel terence cole i believe the new director of the da they have
00:11:55.940 all pointed to vancouver british columbia where i made my sort of traction as a reporter as a hub
00:12:02.800 of chinese communist party and mexican cartel and iranian state linked mafia activity so these are
00:12:10.760 the you know these are the the the enemies of the west connecting with the most dangerous criminals
00:12:17.300 in the world to launder money for fentanyl to produce fentanyl to ship fentanyl methamphetamine 0.86
00:12:24.260 and synthetic narcotics originating from china and chinese chemical factories around the world
00:12:30.740 including into the united states although that's very denied in mark carney's office
00:12:35.780 certainly canada is seen as a growing threat for these criminal networks and it's not just crime
00:12:41.620 the new chinese ev deal with 50 000 rolling spy vehicles you know some in ottawa said that's not
00:12:48.980 a real story and then about a week ago david vigno former director of cesus came out publicly to
00:12:55.300 affirm what i and others have reported it's it's an academic known fact that these chinese spy
00:13:01.140 vehicles are so connected in real time to beijing they'll be collecting everything so as you say
00:13:08.100 i believe that's already seen as a trojan horse threat south of the border and in washington
00:13:14.260 there's one other story that i know you're working on and i can't wait to see what you come up with
00:13:19.220 and that's the issue around uh undrip the rules in in bc and the fact that uh the native shia chiefs
00:13:27.540 have come out and said you know this means war by the way if bc conservatives and their government
00:13:32.340 the government running that province sort of continues to roll back laws that basically award
00:13:39.780 grants and property and land to the natives and you're saying that there are issues beyond 0.92
00:13:46.500 the native groups themselves that once again involve the china is that correct yes again 0.56
00:13:53.860 leaning on the authority of this 2019 intelligence document that only i have and i'm going to keep it
00:14:00.420 that way because it's sensitive uh the document says that cesus our security agency in 2011
00:14:10.020 reported up the chain that they became aware that china was targeting indigenous leaders in canada
00:14:17.620 inviting them over to china on uh false pretenses uh the the surface reason was to promote tourism
00:14:26.100 from china into indigenous areas in canada but that was a fake ceases through their uh
00:14:32.660 technical capacities heard chinese diplomats saying that the indigenous leaders were to be fooled
00:14:39.620 they were being targeted because china wanted to cultivate them for access to their critical
00:14:45.300 minerals and resources china understood the jurisdictional and growing jurisdictional power
00:14:51.220 that indigenous leaders had the document went further to say that uh china saw indigenous
00:14:57.060 leaders as being blind to whatever china was interested in in other words the title of my book
00:15:03.380 2021 was willful blindness this thesis document suggesting that china saw willful blindness too
00:15:10.820 in indigenous leaders so i'll go a little further that is that is documented intelligence people can
00:15:17.460 read it on the Bureau. But through open source research, I have also seen that British Columbia
00:15:23.580 Indigenous leaders that promoted a policy of First Nations dealing directly and trading directly in
00:15:32.060 resources with China, so they didn't think Ottawa even needs to be in the picture on these critical
00:15:37.580 natural resources. Some of those very same leaders that would be very involved in promoting
00:15:44.800 the DRIPA regime for Premier David Eby. They had traveled to China on junkets. So could they be
00:15:52.360 the same type of figures that were targeted by China? I also know there's a senator sitting in
00:15:57.740 Ottawa right now that when they were leading what's called the Asia-Pacific Foundation,
00:16:03.980 you know, they also were on the record telling, you know, with CBC reported that they had been
00:16:10.700 part of these sort of indigenous to China, promoting trade relationship sort of new ideology
00:16:17.600 and trade plan. Fantastic stuff, Sam Cooper. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We
00:16:23.120 greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Mark. Founder of the Bureau and author of Willful Blindness.
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