Juno News - Is Canada’s independence at risk？

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00:00:47 trying to grow the show to reach as many Canadians as possible because folks, times are too important.

00:00:53 we are facing a crisis in Canada with an election coming up. And it really concerns me. I'll be

00:00:59 completely honest, completely frank. It concerns me to see the Liberals rising in the polls. It

00:01:03 concerns me to see Canadians say that they would rather have Mark Carney negotiate with Donald

00:01:08 Trump as opposed to Pierre Polyev. I don't want Canadians to be fooled. I don't want them to be

00:01:13 tricked into voting for the Liberals again and giving us another four years similar to the last

00:01:19 nine years. I don't know that Canada could withstand it. I don't want that future for

00:01:23 myself, for my family, and certainly not for my children. I think it's so important that we get

00:01:27 our message out, that we give Canadians the facts and the truth. And that is what we aim to do here

00:01:32 at the Candace Malcolm Show. You know, it is a bit rich to hear from these liberals, to hear from

00:01:36 people like Justin Trudeau, who now all of a sudden says that the threat from Donald Trump

00:01:40 is literal, that we're literally supposed to believe that he wants to invade Canada, that he

00:01:45 wants to annex us, he wants us to become the 51st state, and he wants to take over our minerals, 0.83

00:01:49 which is what Justin Trudeau said to a group of economic leaders in Toronto on Friday. I don't

00:01:55 think that's going to happen. I don't think that anyone should take Trump literally. I think we

00:01:59 should take him seriously, but not literally, as Peter Thiel told us about how to deal with

00:02:03 Donald Trump. He said that all the way back in 2016. He said, take the man seriously, but not

00:02:07 always literally, not literally. So the 51st state stuff, yes, he's saying it, but it's a negotiating

00:02:12 stick. It's not a real threat. Trudeau wants you to believe it's a real threat because the more

00:02:18 the media talk about that, the more that Canadians worry about that and fret over that, the more

00:02:23 likely it is that they will see that the Liberals are the one that can save them. The Liberals would

00:02:27 rather talk about anything other than the record, anything other than the last nine years and what

00:02:31 Justin Trudeau's post-national vision for Canada has done to our country. Don't let them get away

00:02:36 from it. Don't let them get away with it. Don't fall for the trap. The election needs to be fought

00:02:41 on the issues, on liberal policies, and it needs to be a referendum on Justin Trudeau. Don't let

00:02:47 them make it about Donald Trump. Now, I've got Hamish Marshall joining the show a little bit

00:02:52 later on. We're going to talk about all the polls. Hamish is an excellent pollster, as you know,

00:02:56 and a frequent guest to the Candace Malcolm Show. But my first guest warns that Canada's 0.99

00:03:02 independence isn't at risk by the Americans. He says that our independence has already been

00:03:06 taken away from us in many ways with regards to what has happened with China in our country.

00:03:11 And this is such an important point. So I'm so pleased today to be joined by Dan Knight.

00:03:16 Dan is a founder of the Opposition News Network, host of the Opposition with Dan Knight podcast.

00:03:22 Bring him back on the screen there. Dan, thank you so much for joining the podcast from your car out on the West Coast.

00:03:27 I appreciate you joining us today.

00:03:30 I do some of my best work out of my car there, Candace. How are you doing today?

00:03:34 You know, I used to do some work out of my car before I had a designated office in my house because, you know,

00:03:39 you have little kids running around especially for mom it's impossible to get work done and so the

00:03:43 car was always a place i could sneak away to but uh yeah great great to have you uh with us i want

00:03:49 to talk about your recent piece in subsect that you published on saturday i couldn't agree more

00:03:52 with this piece called economic enough talk polyev it's time to fight for canada's economic

00:03:59 independence and so i think you came to the same conclusion that i did dan which was that it wasn't

00:04:04 really a hot mic moment on Friday. It was all a manufactured scheme to try to change the channel,

00:04:11 try to get Canadians to stop talking about the economic reality in the country and instead to

00:04:16 fret and worry about Donald Trump because that's better for the Liberal Party.

00:04:21 Well, it seems like the Liberal Party focuses on Trump and it's not just the Liberal Party,

00:04:26 Candace. Let's be clear, it's the mainstream media. They like to gobble up anything

00:04:29 that trump says and regurgitated i mean for one it's probably because they're lazy and they can't

00:04:35 afford to actually do real news so that's and that's another that's another topic we could

00:04:40 write about but having said that anytime trump says something um the liberals and we've watched

00:04:45 this for the last you know year and a half play out every time trump says something the concern

00:04:51 or the liberal bases you know they regurgitate it and they they paint um donald trump as the

00:04:56 boogeyman. They've gone out of their way to alienate them. They've come out of their wood

00:05:02 box with their hatchets and saying that this guy is terrible for, you know, America. You know,

00:05:07 Justin Trudeau just recently, as soon as Donald Trump was, you know, he got the election,

00:05:13 he took a shot at him. He said this was the moment that America could have

00:05:17 hired or not hired, but elected a female president. I mean, this is coming off the 0.99

00:05:22 the time when or uh donald trump was campaigning off tariffs so does that very does sound smart

00:05:31 to you candace that you would you'd antagonize donald trump right before he's inaugurated i

00:05:36 don't think so so obviously you know the liberal base is trying to manufacture a crisis and they've

00:05:42 done it and i think a lot of canadians have a right to be afraid i mean look at the audio

00:05:47 manufacturing sector in ottawa you know trump's going after that he's saying that we need to

00:05:51 bring those jobs back to Detroit.

00:05:53 And I think a lot of people are afraid for their jobs.

00:05:55 And I mean, that's fair.

00:05:57 But I think this is a crisis that the Liberals have created.

00:06:00 They should have not chosen to antagonize the incoming president.

00:06:05 And what's the result of that?

00:06:08 You know, they now have everyone worried about their jobs.

00:06:11 If you take what the recent polling is suggesting is that they're up.

00:06:16 I find that hard to believe considering that they've manufactured this crisis

00:06:19 and they're the this crisis is they're they're doing so it it beholdens me that that the liberals

00:06:29 are not in charge of what they're doing like they're not they're they manufacture this and

00:06:33 like you know let's take the recent u.s canada summit um last weekend with uh with um the liberals

00:06:41 they went in and you know obviously they're they're talking to their um you know the business

00:06:46 sector, you know, I saw the heads from tech, which is part of the mining sector, the coal sector here

00:06:52 in Canada, they were there. And, you know, Justin Trudeau kind of went in and said that we need to

00:06:57 be, you know, we need to hold hands with the Americans that were one of their best business

00:07:00 allies. And, you know, kind of preempted the next moment, which was, you know, his mic was on. And

00:07:09 he said, you know, America wants to have us as their 51st state. And I know, obviously, I think

00:07:14 that, you know, Donald Trump is trolling. I mean, you look at the polling over in the US, and it's

00:07:18 not that having Canada is not very popular, especially amongst the red states, because I

00:07:23 think that they would know what that would mean if we were annexed. But I don't think it's a very

00:07:28 popular, popular stunt. If you go look at what he did with Panama, he said that we're going to annex 0.85

00:07:33 Panama if you don't get rid of the Chinese influence over in Panama. And what did Panama do?

00:07:39 they basically turned tail and said no belt or silk belt and road initiative here and they've

00:07:45 turned the face i think that's exactly what they're trying to do here in canada if you look

00:07:49 at the fentanyl that's coming in here from that's being manufactured in canada it might not be being

00:07:54 imported candace it might not be being imported but it's definitely being made here if you look

00:07:59 at just last month we had a fentanyl uh super lab that was busted just after uh trump announced that

00:08:05 he might be doing tariffs. It kind of shows you that there is a level of manufacturing. And I

00:08:11 mean, I'll take you back about 15 years ago, Candice, that in Canada, we were making, I don't

00:08:17 think, remember that there was this famous thing, drug being made in Canada, it was called BC Bud,

00:08:21 and we were exporting it by the billions of dollars to California. So we've since, I mean,

00:08:29 Obviously, the drug manufacturing has come down for BC Bud, but let's be clear, the black market didn't just go away.

00:08:39 They just changed products.

00:08:40 So it's hard for me to believe that they've simply just abandoned their product or their, you know, excuse me.

00:08:53 it makes me it doesn't make me believe that they've actually switched gears or they've just

00:08:58 like stopped making selling exports to um the us they've just switched products so yeah like the

00:09:04 drug dealers are still drug dealing they're just doing it differently now because there's a lot

00:09:09 more profit it seems and you know we had uh sam cooper on the program last week and he talked

00:09:14 about how just because they're not seizing it at the border doesn't mean that it's not crossing a

00:09:18 lot of the hard drugs that get exported from canada go through the ports where less than one

00:09:23 percent of containers are actually checked. So a big part of the reason why, you know, the fake

00:09:28 news story that was going around that Canada has like only 46 grams of drugs or 42, 46 pounds of

00:09:34 fentanyl that was seized at the border. And it's like less than half a percent compared to the

00:09:38 other percent that all goes from Mexico. That's fake news because the reality is that Canada

00:09:44 exports mostly, the drug dealers have found ways, loopholes to export our drugs through ports,

00:09:49 which we don't check. So I agree, like Canada has so many problems and it's kind of sad and

00:09:54 embarrassing that it takes an American president to point these out. If I were advising Pierre

00:09:59 Polyev or, you know, if I was running in elected politics, I would make that the priority. Like

00:10:04 from the moment that Trump mentioned it, or heck from 10 years ago, when we saw these problems

00:10:09 manifesting, I would, I would say, you know, Canada is a serious country. We have to do things

00:10:13 to improve our own sovereignty and independence. Getting like, how about cracking down on

00:10:19 Chinese interference? How about getting rid of these so-called Chinese police stations that 1.00

00:10:24 operate in Canada? How about stopping the illegal flow of immigration, the illegal flow of goods,

00:10:28 the number of people on terrorist watch lists that are in Canada? It's unbelievable how much

00:10:33 disarray and disorder there is in Canada under this liberal rule and under Justin Trudeau.

00:10:37 I think we really need to get our own house in order. And all of this howling and complaining

00:10:42 about Donald Trump, the thing that I loved about your Substack piece that you put out, Dan,

00:10:46 is that you said, look, the liberals allowed us to be sold out already to China. It's already

00:10:54 happened. And they did it because it benefits them electorally. It's always benefited them.

00:11:00 I mean, just an example from this week, right? We saw that Chrystia Freeland's campaign was being 0.96

00:11:06 smeared on WeChat. And immediately, the Democratic Institutions Ministry and the government

00:11:14 it, alerted it, sounded the alarm, acted concerned, pointed it out. Everybody condemned it. It's like,

00:11:21 why is it happening? When it happens to a liberal, it's a big deal. We know that it was happening to

00:11:25 the Conservatives, against the Conservatives in the 2021 campaign. That's been proven now that

00:11:31 there was a coordinated Chinese campaign against Aaron O'Toole that actually led to him probably

00:11:36 losing in several key swing ridings in Canada. And at the time, the government just allowed it

00:11:43 to happen. Of course, they allow it to happen when it benefits the liberals. And that's why 0.93

00:11:46 the problems in our country run so incredibly deep. Well, I mean, to talk a little bit about

00:11:54 the liberals, we have to look at who's governing them. I mean, you'd have to have integrity to

00:12:00 actually challenge this. You'd have to have integrity. So let's look at the track record

00:12:06 of this liberal government, SNC-Lavalin. I mean, it was the canary in the coal mine. And how we as

00:12:11 electorate how we let this pass is mind-boggling we had a government ready to throw their first

00:12:18 female attorney general under the bus for what to save his political hide i mean and then we've had 1.00

00:12:25 scandal after scandal after that so it would take a government that had integrity to actually

00:12:29 challenge these things and obviously this government doesn't have any integrity

00:12:32 you know as as i was saying in my sub stack you know what if what do we had it wasn't until sam

00:12:37 cooper reported it that we actually found out that we had chinese interference in our inner democracy 1.00

00:12:44 what did we find from that from the hogue inquiry well there was police stations um what what did

00:12:48 what did the liberal government do there candace when we found out about the the police stations

00:12:53 well minister blair and it was reported in the hogue hogue inquiry that he sat on the warrant

00:12:59 it he sat on it he he you know he didn't do his jobs i think that this is a minute like if we

00:13:06 look at this cabinet and they'd like to come read off the teleprompter and that's it you know we can

00:13:11 talk about we can talk about the media speak coming from the liberal government and you know

00:13:17 we've listened to melanie jolie say you know we we spent millions of dollars on this penthouse

00:13:23 during while we have in in new york which there's a committee um on and we've listened to her and

00:13:30 said we need we need to have this this this million dollar penthouse we need to put our

00:13:35 our you know our diplomats in there so that they can talk to the leaders so that we can

00:13:40 um you know we can push our narrative to the us and what did we find out from black locks today 0.99

00:13:46 or not today yesterday that we're paying lobbyists um to the tune of 85 000 per month there candace

00:13:54 so what does that tell you it tells you either that penthouse that we spent hundreds of millions

00:13:59 of dollars on was worth it or we actually have to pay 85 000 a month for lobbyists in dc so wait a

00:14:07 second we have we have that let's show that graphic sean so this is from holly doan of black

00:14:11 locks reporting monday february 10th and the documents reveal that federal agency pays washington

00:14:17 lobbyists 85 000 a month to manage outreach to government officials so canadian taxpayers

00:14:26 paying lobbyists in washington dc 85 grand a month to manage the outreach to government officials

00:14:34 i mean of course the liberals will find a way to enrich lobbyists and consultants and that's

00:14:39 just like what they do but you know you see danielle smith show up in washington completely 1.00

00:14:44 you know on her own just a hotel conference room and just book meeting after meeting after meeting 0.95

00:14:49 after meeting with senators uh republican insiders staffers anyone who will meet with her and she

00:14:55 just does that on her own whereas you have the libs uh and melanie jolie figuring out a way to 1.00

00:15:01 enrich lobbyists and pay them 85 grand a month so unbelievable anyway i'll let you continue

00:15:09 ridiculous so i mean it's not even it's not even about um enriching the lobbyists it's just the

00:15:13 fact that like this government is just so unaccountable they i think the biggest the 0.87

00:15:17 biggest thing i have this that i'm most troubled with is that we've prorogued parliament in the

00:15:23 middle of the trump the trump threat so you know let's be clear if this was a conservative

00:15:28 government we would be hearing about it every day on on the media they'd be like why are we

00:15:34 why are we not having committees why are we not having meetings right now canada is on autopilot

00:15:41 we don't have a functioning government we can't have committee meetings i know that justin trudeau

00:15:45 promised 1.5 billion dollars for the border but let's be clear he can't pass that um there's no

00:15:50 committee meetings there's no budgets we can't pass any laws right now so we don't have a

00:15:56 functioning government and the fact that they they're they're they're talking about it they're

00:16:00 promising all of these these promises to donald trump well it's just it's just empty speak and

00:16:06 we're not hearing about that and that's the most the saddest thing as a taxpayer as a citizen if

00:16:12 you believe in democracy this is just this is just i don't know how you you're not infuriated by this

00:16:19 because let's be clear we don't we're not able to challenge donald trump effectively um right now we

00:16:26 have you know the liberal circus their caucus the swamp they're going in and they're doing these

00:16:32 um these summits and why are they doing that summit well they're not able to be challenged

00:16:35 by the opposition and you know and i i feel that you know they've taken a lot of what

00:16:41 pier poliev has said looks like they're they're coming they're walking back a lot of their

00:16:46 unpopular positions. You know, Steven Gilbo, who has probably made it his career about a carbon tax

00:16:54 is now they're, they're walking back on it. They're saying, well, no, maybe he's a little

00:16:58 bit right. Maybe we should adopt that policy. You know, we talk about Pierre Polyev saying like,

00:17:04 we need to take GST off housing. Well, what are the, what are the, what are the liberals considering

00:17:08 next taking off um gst off housing like it just seems like if if pure polyev um brand if his if

00:17:16 his policies are so popular why are we putting the liberals in like it's almost a filter it's

00:17:21 almost ridiculous that that we actually have to have the opposition come up with these these

00:17:26 policies that are against what's what the liberals are putting out there and that we actually have to 0.70

00:17:30 have them regurgitate it like it's their idea it is just ridiculous so yeah and let's talk about

00:17:36 You can take that as a win for the Conservatives, that their ideas have sort of won the day, and both sides now agree with them.

00:17:41 Although I wouldn't trust the Liberals if they were to win the next election, that they would fall through on any of these things,

00:17:47 because I don't think that the Liberals have proven that they can be trustworthy.

00:17:49 But, Dan, you've been critical of Pierre Polyev as well in all of this, and criticized his response.

00:17:55 You wrote on Substack that he has the right words but the wrong approach.

00:18:00 You were critical of his interview that he did with Brian Lilly last week,

00:18:02 And you said that Canada needs a real plan for real economic independence.

00:18:06 Why don't you walk us through that?

00:18:08 Well, I like, you know, I mean, Pierre Polyev has got a lot of good words.

00:18:12 They're very pretty.

00:18:13 You know, they're the right words.

00:18:14 Let's be clear on that.

00:18:15 They're, you know, he said that, you know, we need to be in Parliament and that we need to, you know, be active.

00:18:24 And that, you know, he rightfully pointed out that the Liberal Party has handcuffed us to the U.S.

00:18:32 They canceled Energy East, Northern Gateway. They made us dependent on the U.S. and it's based on their ideology of coal is bad. 0.70

00:18:45 And one thing that really bugs me about the ideology, the liberal ideology, is that we don't put carbon tax on imports into Canada.

00:18:55 There is no carbon tax import. So what does that mean for Canadians?

00:18:59 well it just means that we're not really we're not really net zero and what we're doing is it's

00:19:05 kind of a shell game we have carb we have three cups our carbons right here and this is canada

00:19:11 that's our center cup and all we do is we shell it over to china and so all of our manufacturing is

00:19:17 now dependent on china they don't have our our um our labor laws they don't have our 0.86

00:19:25 our economic or excuse me our environmental standards so we have we really brought down

00:19:31 our net zero and absolutely not you know they have we export coals by the millions of tons

00:19:38 per month to china so that they can make steel so you know peer polyab is right to to call that out

00:19:46 that you know the liberals have crippled us but in my opinion i think a lot a lot of the problem

00:19:52 with what the conservatives are saying is that they're coming off a little too soft and and

00:19:58 they're being a little bit too kind of they're playing a little bit too much defense they're

00:20:03 letting the liberals control the narrative and what do i mean by that well we had this hot hot

00:20:08 mic moment with justin trudeau at this u.s canada economic summit where his mic was uh on and

00:20:15 And somehow this, this, this audio, it was a fake hot mic. Cause he was on stage. Right. And then

00:20:22 he told the media to leave the room. Everyone plug your ears. I'm going to say something

00:20:25 right now to a room full of like 500 people. And then the media kind of jumped right into it

00:20:30 because first of all, it's a, it's good clickbait. Uh, but second of all, you know, that's what they

00:20:36 really want to talk about. They don't want to talk about the economy. They don't want to talk

00:20:38 about Trudeau's record. What they really want to talk about is orange man, bad Trump's going to come

00:20:43 conquer us and we need to like give it our all and fight for canada so you know let's let's talk

00:20:49 about that a little bit and what the bad messaging is is is he rightfully called that out but what's

00:20:54 his plan let's be clear it's it's i think i think what canadians want right now candace candace is

00:20:58 that they they don't want talking points they want an impassioned leader you know why why is daniel

00:21:03 smith so popular well she she's authentic you know why is donald trump so popular i mean in my opinion

00:21:11 he comes off is authentic like a lot of his what the mainstream media comes off and they regurgitate

00:21:17 to the um the public is his like his his his authenticity and i think that that's what what

00:21:24 people really do appreciate whether you like him or not he's authentic he's he's shooting off the

00:21:28 cuff this is what i think and there's no there's no peer groups there's no polling groups behind

00:21:35 it this is just how he feels and i think what most people believe is that they feel that too

00:21:40 And I think that the problem with the Conservative Party right now is that they're coming too much off of these polling groups.

00:21:46 They're not, you know, you look at Pierre Polyev about, you know, glasses, Pierre Polyev, Pierre, excuse me, Pierre Polyev pre-bronzer.

00:21:58 He was a little bit more feisty. He was a little bit more of a pit bull.

00:22:01 And then they rebranded him. I think it was last summer they rebranded him.

00:22:05 And now he's got bronzer on. He doesn't wear his glasses. His hairdo looks good.

00:22:09 you know he's a little bit more palpable for the canadian public but at the same point time

00:22:14 a lot of his grit that i really that really brought me towards him has been kind of

00:22:19 a little less so you know is he is he still challenged the media absolutely i love you know

00:22:24 i think most canadians appreciate that but i think the problem is is that what canadians want

00:22:29 and especially those people that are that jobs are threatened in ottawa is that they want a little

00:22:34 bit more of a a plan you know what what what what should Pierre Polyev's plan be well you know if I

00:22:40 was in that position I mean and I'm unfiltered unfortunately so maybe I wouldn't be the best

00:22:44 politician but I think that what Canadians want is they want to hear someone say like look you know

00:22:49 if Stellantis which had an 18 billion dollar tax break by the the BC liberal or not the BC liberals

00:22:55 the federal liberals they just pulled out their their plan they're going back to Detroit or Utah

00:23:00 wherever um to appease trump if i was the opposition leader i'd be saying good let them go

00:23:07 because you know what lng japan wants or japan wants our gas let's let them take our gas we'll

00:23:15 make a business case but i want auto plants made in canada i'd be starts i'd start like that rough

00:23:20 that rough conversation or that rough gritty bombastic not bombastic but i think that that's

00:23:27 what canadians want is they want to hear that we that their leaders have their back they don't want

00:23:31 slogans they want to hear that hey you know raw logs are being made in bc and we're shipping them

00:23:37 out to we're shipping them out to china well enough of that we have log manufacturers we have planers

00:23:43 we have um uh you know high production logging facilities out in bc we're going to start cutting

00:23:50 we're going to make a higher percentage of that those logs to be cut in bc we're going to bring

00:23:55 those jobs back to bc and the same can be said for the auto manufacturing out in ottawa if jeep

00:24:02 ford chevy does not want to do business here in canada then let them leave but guess what you're

00:24:07 not able to sell cars here there is no business case to be made for those companies that want to

00:24:12 leave their auto manufacturing for canada we're going to bring in mercedes we're going to bring

00:24:17 in a honda hyundai we're going to bring in these audio manufacturers and we're going to subsidize

00:24:21 them because we're going to bring in those jobs and i know there's going to be a few people out

00:24:25 there that say they hear me say subsidize and they're like why are we going to be subsidizing

00:24:30 let's be clear there candace we have to because on a global market everyone is subsidizing some

00:24:36 sort of industry and we've looked at like what the liberal track record is they had to prompt they had

00:24:40 to give um stellantis the kitchen sink to build a battery plan here so we have to be a little 0.97

00:24:47 realistic when it comes to that that we actually have to be competitive on the world stage

00:24:51 so in my opinion i think that what what canadians want to hear is they want to hear a message but

00:24:55 they also want to hear a hard message i i don't know if i'm i'm i'm wrong on that but based on

00:25:01 the feedback from that that article i think a lot of canadians agree with me well you just have a

00:25:06 comprehensive plan that i think you've thought it through at a lot more depth in detail than many

00:25:10 others so i recommend that everyone go over to dan knight's subject check out his piece because

00:25:14 every word of it i i was nodding along and like getting fired up listening to it reading it i want

00:25:19 I want to get through the news because there's some news developing today that we like to get to on the show.

00:25:24 So we learned, first of all, that Trump has promised 25 percent tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada.

00:25:32 So this is not just for Canada. It's for all imports into the United States on those products, kind of tied to what you were talking about there, Dan.

00:25:39 So here is a clip from him heading home from the Super Bowl from New Orleans, explaining his new tariff.

00:25:46 We'll also be announcing steel tariffs on Monday.

00:25:51 On this?

00:25:52 Tomorrow?

00:25:53 Monday, yeah, tomorrow.

00:25:54 What countries will those go on?

00:25:56 Everybody.

00:25:57 Steel.

00:25:57 Including Canada and Mexico.

00:25:58 Yeah.

00:25:59 Any steel coming into the United States is going to have a 25% tariff.

00:26:04 What about aluminum, sir?

00:26:05 Aluminum, too.

00:26:09 Into effect right away by Trump.

00:26:12 Responding to that, we had Ontario Premier Doug Ford,

00:26:15 who's running his own election, Ontario, he reacted on X by saying this, this is the next

00:26:21 four years, shifting goalposts, constant chaos, putting our economy at risk. I'm asking the people

00:26:26 for a strong, stable four-year mandate that outlasts the Trump administration to do whatever

00:26:30 it takes to always be ready to protect Ontario. I think a lot of people, you know, people who don't

00:26:38 even really like Doug Ford that much as a premier appreciate the way that he's been talking throughout

00:26:43 this. And kind of really, I think he speaks to the people in a similar way that Trump does.

00:26:50 And he kind of understands that, you know, you're talking about how conservatives are always a little

00:26:54 bit too rehearsed and too concerned about what's happening in the polls. I see Ford being a bit

00:26:59 more authentic. Meanwhile, we had Pierre Polyev up in Iqaluit yesterday. We showed the clips. I love

00:27:04 the imagery of anyone going up to the North. It's so beautiful up there. And I really do hope that

00:27:09 the conservatives are serious about this pledge to develop the North. I think that's one thing

00:27:12 that Canada has been shamefully inadequate in doing is building up the North. Look, I lived in

00:27:18 Edmonton for years. Canadians know how to build infrastructure and build cities in incredibly

00:27:23 frigid, cold temperatures. So if we can do it in Edmonton, why can't we build a big city up North?

00:27:28 I really think that Canada needs to do a lot more to build infrastructure, to develop the North,

00:27:33 get people to move up there, pay people to move up there. I don't care, but we need to develop that

00:27:37 in order to assert more sovereignty in the North.

00:27:40 So Polyev was up there

00:27:41 and he was asked about these tariffs from Donald Trump.

00:27:44 And he promised again to impose our own retaliatory tariffs

00:27:49 on American steel and aluminum imports.

00:27:51 Let's play that clip.

00:27:53 He has threatened to bring in tariffs

00:27:55 on our steel and aluminum.

00:27:56 We will retaliate in kind with matching tariffs

00:28:00 on American aluminum and steel,

00:28:02 all of the proceeds of which will be given back

00:28:04 to our steel and aluminum industry, and any surplus will be given in tax relief for our people.

00:28:12 And at the same time as Poliev was announcing his own intention to impose tariffs on steel

00:28:18 and aluminum, he also dug up this clip of Mark Carney just two weeks ago, or less than two weeks

00:28:24 ago, January 31st. Mark Carney saying the opposite thing, which is that he wants to put a price on

00:28:31 pollution for steel makers, he wants to tax them even more. So Polyev talking about tariffing,

00:28:38 so taxing imports, so taxing other people's steel, whereas Karnia is talking about taxing

00:28:44 our own steel made in Canada. Let's play that clip.

00:28:48 Then secondly, what we're going to do is make sure not that the government pays,

00:28:53 not that we as taxpayers pay, but the large polluters pay. And so what happens...

00:28:58 Does that not ultimately trickle down?

00:29:00 No, because what the big companies are producing, by and large, are not products that we are consuming.

00:29:07 There's some element of that, but by and large, you know, a steel company, how much steel are you using these days, Todd?

00:29:14 I mean, not as much, not as much of a use.

00:29:17 So kind of a bumbling answer there, but you can see that he's saying that, oh, the big polluters will pay, right, and then the consumers won't see that at all.

00:29:24 uh you know for a guy that's run the uh central banks there he doesn't really seem to understand

00:29:28 some basic economics um so you know here we see another trade war unfolding we had justin trudeau

00:29:34 out in paris frolicking around with emmanuel macron he was asked about these tariffs and he

00:29:39 says they are unacceptable and that canada's response will be firm and clear let's play that

00:29:44 clip we will be working with the american administration over the coming weeks to

00:29:49 to highlight the negative impacts on Americans and Canadians of these unacceptable tariffs.

00:29:56 We will also be working with our international partners and friends.

00:30:01 And if it comes to that, our response, of course, will be firm and clear.

00:30:08 So, Dan, if you could just give me a quick response there to the latest tariff back and forth that we're seeing.

00:30:14 i think mark carney is uh is quite funny for saying that he's going to tax uh our industry

00:30:22 especially when he's built his company berkshire has built pipelines in brazil so it's i could

00:30:29 probably talk about it for about half an hour i think that it's uh it's incredible that we have

00:30:33 a prime minister in paris when we have an economic trade war uh it's funny to me that we have uh a

00:30:40 banker, an unelected banker talking about carbon taxes when our parliamentary budget officer has

00:30:46 already gone and reported. This is a nonpartisan entity there, Candace, has said that it adds

00:30:55 inflation to, or the carbon tax adds inflation. It's passed down to the consumer. Tiff Macklin

00:31:03 has gone on BOC, the Bank of Canada, when he was doing his press releases and said, yes, it adds

00:31:10 to, um, the consumer price index. So it's, it's funny to me that we have, uh, two, uh, out of

00:31:18 touch politicians, uh, talking about, uh, about something that it's just, it's such a grift.

00:31:25 It's, it's, it's unbelievable to me, Candace. I have no words for it. It's, I think most people

00:31:30 here would agree with me that, that the government is very out of touch. Um, we, you know, the reason

00:31:38 that Mark Carney doesn't. I think we're done with the carbon taxes. I don't think that that's

00:31:42 going to be a debate in Canada anymore. We're so done with it that the Liberals aren't even going

00:31:45 to defend it. I don't think the Conservatives are going to be able to run on that as a campaign

00:31:49 issue because Canadians are basically in agreement. So we hear people like Mark Carney. It's like the

00:31:54 exact wrong approach. Dan, I got to leave it at that because we've got a lot more to get on the

00:31:59 show, but I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for joining the program. I'll have to have

00:32:01 you back on again in the future. Candace, thank you so much for having me. You guys do great work

00:32:07 at True North. And thanks for having me. All right. Okay. Have a great day, Dan. All right.

00:32:12 I want to talk about Pierre Polyev because one of the things we had Stockwell, or sorry, we had

00:32:17 Preston Manning on the show on Friday and, you know, talking about Canada can be a little bit

00:32:22 depressing these days, especially if you're more on the conservative side, because you see so many

00:32:26 of the great things about our country have collapsed and fallen apart. One of the things

00:32:30 that was really, I thought was so optimistic in talking to Preston was his call for action at the

00:32:36 end. He said, you know, I said, what can Canadians do? He said, fly the flag, fly the flag, show pride

00:32:42 in your Canadian country and heritage. You know, go buy a flag and go fly the flag. He said one of

00:32:48 the things he admires about Americans is that they do fly the flag. Even, you know, I have family

00:32:53 members that live in very liberal California, and they fly the American flag, even though they're

00:32:58 liberals on the left. They still love America, right? And they fly the flag, and Canadians don't 1.00

00:33:02 do that as much. So I was, I was heartwarmed to hear Preston Manning talking about that. I think

00:33:08 it's a great message. And lo and behold, it opened my X this morning and I saw a conservative leader

00:33:13 Pierre Polyev making a similar plea, encouraging Canadians to go out, purchase a flag and fly the

00:33:19 Maple Leaf. Let's play that clip. This Saturday is in fact flag day. So I'm encouraging everyone,

00:33:26 regardless of your political allegiance to go out, get yourself a flag, big or small,

00:33:31 Put it on a flagpole in front of your home or through your window or in any other way that you can show our colors.

00:33:39 We're very proud of this country. We'll never be the 51st state.

00:33:43 We will always be a strong, self-reliant, sovereign country.

00:33:48 So let's show that message by raising the flag.

00:34:01 Beautiful, beautiful video there. Canada first. Gotta love that. And here is Pierre

00:34:08 Pagliau's post on X this morning. And he simply says, raise the flag. What a great message.

00:34:15 Okay. And I want to bring in Hamish Marshall to the conversation. The audience knows Hamish.

00:34:20 Hamish is a partner at One Persuades, which is a government relations and strategy firm

00:34:24 in Ontario, but we all know him as a pollster. So he served as Andrew Scheer's campaign manager

00:34:30 for the Conservatives in 2019. Prior to that, he was manager of strategic planning in Stephen

00:34:36 Harper's successful 2008 election. And of course, he worked with us at True North during the 2021

00:34:42 election as our in-house pollster. So Hamish, welcome to the program. Great to be here, Candace.

00:34:47 Okay, so I've been dying to talk to you about this, Hamish, because we've been seeing so much

00:34:51 of it, and I don't know if it's real or not. But what we are seeing is that the Liberals are making

00:34:56 a comeback federally. And that, you know, if an election happens this spring, the Liberals might

00:35:02 do a lot better than we once thought. So let's just start with Ontario. So according to recent

00:35:09 polling in Ontario, it shows that the Liberals are actually up, if we can show this graphic.

00:35:15 The Liberals are at 43% versus 39% for the Conservatives. Let's just start right there,

00:35:21 Hamish, how can this be possible? How can people in Ontario still have faith in the Liberals after

00:35:27 the last nine years? And is this accurate? Is this going to hold for an election?

00:35:31 Well, it turns out Justin Trudeau was really, really unpopular. And people really didn't like

00:35:36 him. And he was dragging down the Liberal numbers. I think we all intuitively knew that.

00:35:41 And the relief of Justin Trudeau being gone is certainly opening people's eyes to the possibility

00:35:48 of voting liberal again i i think these numbers are probably a bit high um especially in ontario

00:35:54 uh we've seen other pollsters come in with certainly a liberal uh increase but i don't

00:35:58 i don't know if it's quite as much as that um the thing that's happening is that we often see this

00:36:04 in leadership races that when um somebody's being unpopular is being replaced with somebody new

00:36:10 when people ask who are you voting for they then imagine when it hasn't been decided they then

00:36:17 imagine their dream liberal leader. So right now, if you ask someone who you're voting for,

00:36:21 they're thinking of liberals, especially someone who wants to vote liberal, they're thinking of

00:36:26 their dream liberal leader. The problem is, whether it's Mark Carney or Christopher Freeland

00:36:29 or any of the other people running, none of them are these ideal candidates in reality.

00:36:35 So what we often see in this situation is that when a leader actually gets chosen,

00:36:40 people say, hold on, that person? He's not as good as the person I was imagining in my mind.

00:36:46 and we see the numbers drift down a bit as well.

00:36:49 But I think we shouldn't expect them to go back down to as far as they were

00:36:51 because Trudeau was very, very, very unpopular.

00:36:54 Well, it kind of reminds me, I mean, there are some parallels to the states, right?

00:36:58 Like we had Joe Biden, very, very unpopular president,

00:37:01 not just because of his advanced age, but his policies.

00:37:05 His policies were radical hard left

00:37:06 and they created a very unaffordable standard of living in the United States.

00:37:10 And even when he got replaced, you know, at the end of the day,

00:37:14 I think Americans were voting no to the woke agenda, to inflation, to the left-wing policies

00:37:19 that got them into that mess. I imagine the same thing will happen in Canada, but I'm worried when

00:37:25 I see numbers like this, especially in Ontario, I really don't understand how 43% of people in

00:37:32 Ontario can still be willing to vote for the Liberals, given the reality that we live in,

00:37:38 And, you know, how bad and dangerous their policies have been, you know, not just in terms of how hard left and woke they are, but the actual pocketbook issues, how expensive things is, the cost of groceries, the cost of gas, all of that kind of thing.

00:37:53 Do you think that's factoring in or do you think people are just saying, you know, hopefully the next person's better than Trudeau, so we'll give them a shot?

00:38:00 I think that's a large part of it.

00:38:01 I think there's some of the Trump tariff war sneaking in.

00:38:06 But I think that realistically, whomever the new leader is, once Canadians figure out that they're not going to govern in a way that's been infinitely different from Trudeau, and that will be the Conservatives' job during the campaign and in the time leading up to it, is to persuade, remind, show Canadians that these people are not going to be different in a meaningful way.

00:38:24 I think we're going to see their numbers drag back down again.

00:38:28 Well, OK, so here is another recent seat count from 338 Canada, which is a polling aggregator on X.

00:38:36 Let's show this seat projection. So this still shows the Conservatives way ahead.

00:38:40 It has the Conservatives getting anywhere between 170 all the way up to 237 seats,

00:38:46 where the Liberals sort of max out at 116 and can get as low as 53.

00:38:51 So just the trend, right? The trend is going up for the Libs and down for the Conservatives,

00:38:57 which, you know, I think that height, that peak, like you said, Justin Trudeau was so unpopular,

00:39:03 but it can't feel good for Conservatives to see, you know, Canadians potentially abandoning them

00:39:09 and losing that really strong majority that it seemed like they were headed towards.

00:39:15 Yeah, but I don't, when we saw polls, the Conservatives are up to 47, 48 percent of the

00:39:18 votes. I don't, most people I talk to in Conservative land never really believed that

00:39:25 those numbers were really realistic so you know settling moving down and settling into something

00:39:30 in the low 40s which is still be a massive accomplishment right justin trudeau didn't

00:39:34 even get 40 in 2015 with his majority stephen harper didn't get 40 with his majority in

00:39:40 2011 ending up at 42 or something would still be the largest majority we've seen in this country 0.98

00:39:45 since uh probably actually almost certainly this century wow okay so this is what the latest ipsos

00:39:51 poll had this was from thursday february 6th and it shows an eight point swing but to your point

00:39:57 conservatives are still at 45 down five points libs up to 28 um up eight points but like you said

00:40:04 still in solid um drury territory so i think pierre polyev would take that it's just that the

00:40:10 trend is happening the wrong direction and you're talking you mentioned that now that trump is

00:40:14 entering into the question of whether or not um you know pierre polyev has set it up that he thinks

00:40:20 that this election will be fought on carbon taxes and on cost of living and on pocketbook issues,

00:40:25 I think that the media and the press and certainly the liberals would much rather be talking about

00:40:29 Donald Trump and turning it into a referendum on Trump, turning it into kind of an existential

00:40:33 crisis for Canada, like this next prime minister's sole job is going to be negotiating tariffs and

00:40:38 not just tariffs, because Trump actually is serious about annexing us, according to Justin

00:40:43 Trudeau. That's what he said at a closed door event on Friday, that Trump is serious about

00:40:48 annex in Canada, that he wants our minerals. And when that is the ballot box question facing

00:40:53 Canadians, it actually looks even worse for Pierre Polyev. So here is another nanos poll

00:40:59 that was conducted at the end of January. And it found that 40% of Canadians believe that Mark

00:41:05 Carney was the most qualified leader to negotiate with Donald Trump and his administration. 26%

00:41:12 said that they consider Mr. Poliev to be the best qualified for that role.

00:41:17 I want to play a clip.

00:41:18 This is Nick Nanos talking on CTV over the weekend, sorry, on Sunday.

00:41:24 He says that Donald Trump will be the ballot box question,

00:41:27 and I guess that would be really good for Mark Carney.

00:41:30 Let's play that clip.

00:41:31 I guess the question I have for you, Nick,

00:41:33 is you also did some polling on how Canadians view who is best suited to handle Trump.

00:41:39 How much do you think that does end up being the ballot box question,

00:41:43 and how much does that depend on timing?

00:41:45 Well, I think it probably will be the ballot box question in the next federal election

00:41:49 because the thing is that for Canadians, they know that our relationship with the U.S. is critical.

00:41:54 And I think, who knows, maybe people in the next election are not going to vote for a party that they like,

00:41:59 might not vote for a leader that they trust or whatever,

00:42:02 but they just might vote for whoever they think might be best able to manage that situation.

00:42:07 The next liberal leader will be...

00:42:09 So what do you think of that, Hamish?

00:42:11 I mean, he's heavily implying that Canadians are going to vote on this issue

00:42:14 and that Mark Carney will win on this issue.

00:42:16 Well, look, what we've certainly seen in the last three or four weeks

00:42:20 is that the, you know, elite media and the Laurentian consensus

00:42:25 is utterly fixated on trying to change the ballot question

00:42:29 away from what it's been for so long,

00:42:31 which reflects so badly on them and how they've been running the country.

00:42:34 They're desperate to change it to something about Trump.

00:42:36 And I think this is more evidence of that.

00:42:38 I mean, Mr. Yannis' comment at the end of saying, well, people might vote for somebody they don't like because they care about this more.

00:42:44 Or they, you know, they're not going to vote based on their actual, you know, experience with life getting more expensive because this issue is more important to them.

00:42:55 You know, I find that very, very hard to believe.

00:42:58 I mean, of course, there'll be somebody in Canada who falls into that category.

00:43:01 We've got, you know, 30 million people eligible to vote.

00:43:03 But the fact of the matter is, is that, you know, people in very few cases, you know, one of the things that people say, oh, the economy matters.

00:43:10 When people vote in the economy, it's rarely the economy as a big sort of amorphous blob.

00:43:16 When they think about the economy, think of their own situation, right?

00:43:18 And whether this policy or this leader is going to make their lives better.

00:43:22 It's actually a deeply personal thing.

00:43:24 And I think this is going to be the same again.

00:43:28 You know, they can try to change the channel away from people being worried about the cost of living.

00:43:33 but the numbers out there thus far when you look at what issues people are worried about it is

00:43:39 overwhelmingly it is still people worry about health care but they're also still worried an

00:43:43 awful lot about cost of living uh and inflation and they are um there's a rising number of people

00:43:49 who are worried about the trump tariffs but it's not the dominant issue the way these people every

00:43:53 all these you know elite commentators seem to want to uh project it to be uh so i'm not convinced

00:44:00 that what they all might all wish it to be,

00:44:03 I'm not convinced it's coming true yet.

00:44:05 Well, I hope you're right.

00:44:06 What do you think about the so-called hot mic moment

00:44:08 that Justin Trudeau had last week?

00:44:10 I don't think it was a real hot mic moment

00:44:11 because I think it was all very deliberate

00:44:13 and he wanted the media to talk about it

00:44:15 as if it was an accident.

00:44:16 But he said that Trump is serious about annexing Canada

00:44:19 and he thinks that Trump wants our minerals.

00:44:22 Do you take that thought seriously?

00:44:24 I mean, I think it's a way of framing this debate.

00:44:29 I think it's an effective way of framing this debate.

00:44:32 And if the vote comes down to, you know, if the Liberals, the campaign the Liberals want to run is, we will keep Canada as an independent country and Pierre Polio supports being Canada the 51st state.

00:44:44 That's the campaign they want.

00:44:46 I don't believe it's the campaign they're going to get.

00:44:49 And I think it, I think it strains credibility to believe that they are, it is what they are going to get.

00:44:55 because the fact of the matter is, is that maybe that's the sort of campaign they could have

00:44:59 produced 20 or 30 years ago. But the way the media has been, the media landscape has been

00:45:05 shattered, having a whole bunch of people, like more people are going to see that clip of CTV

00:45:09 that you just showed of that chat on this YouTube broadcast than actually saw it live, like for

00:45:17 sure. Like the elite consensus doesn't have the ability to project their message on Canadians the

00:45:22 way it once did. And if their view of the world was the one that was dominant, you never would

00:45:29 have seen Mr. Polio's rise the way you saw it because he wouldn't be able to tap into something

00:45:35 because it wouldn't have existed. And so I'm deeply skeptical of the sort of top-down imposed

00:45:41 narratives that we used to see and are really an artifact of the 20th century.

00:45:47 I think you're right. I think one of the reasons it's really interesting that sort of the younger

00:45:51 you are now the more likely you are to support conservatives which is kind of a flipped notion

00:45:56 like i think you know hamish when we were growing up all the young people were liberal uh you and

00:46:00 i were probably the odd ones out being more conservative uh but now it's like young people

00:46:04 are conservative i think it's because pierre polyev is speaking directly to them uh his social

00:46:09 media uh dwarfs all the social media from the traditional legacy media so he's found a way to

00:46:14 cut through it all and speak directly to canadians and i think young people in particular are

00:46:20 listening and hearing that I want to get your take on this clip because Pierre Polyev was on

00:46:24 with Toronto Sun's Brian Lilly and this was a headline that came out was that Pierre Polyev

00:46:30 takes Trump's threat seriously. I kind of saw this as him falling into the trap of talking about what

00:46:36 the Liberals want to talk about which is the Trump threat and him saying no no I take it seriously

00:46:40 too. Let's play that clip. Well I've always taken it seriously and I've always clearly

00:46:45 and consistently condemned it canada will never be the 51st state we will be a strong

00:46:51 independent sovereign country when i'm prime minister that's exactly why it's so unfortunate

00:46:58 that the carney trudeau liberals have made us so weak and reliant on the americans their radical

00:47:04 tax increases have driven a half trillion dollars into the american economy

00:47:08 out of Canada, including many of Mr. Carney's own investments.

00:47:17 What do you think of that? Look, I think he has to talk about it to some extent,

00:47:21 because it is something that, you know, he's going to be pushed on. And he has to make sure

00:47:26 that the liberal attack on him as, you know, secretly being in favor of this, or whatever

00:47:31 they're going to get to, is simply not credible. I mean, there's going to be a certain portion of

00:47:37 the you know deranged left that believe that everybody uh who's ever you know put on a blue

00:47:43 shirt believes that the the candidate should join the united states uh but uh he has to make sure

00:47:49 he's being completely unequivocal around that be very very clear about that i think that clip was

00:47:54 it was decent from that perspective but it's clearly not what he wants what he wants to spend

00:47:58 most of his time talking about and he will keep talking about the things that that canadians want

00:48:03 here? I think this is kind of a decent issue for the liberals as a wedge issue, because Canadian 1.00

00:48:08 conservatives are themselves divided on Trump, right? Like half of the people that are in our

00:48:13 audience love Trump and are like cheering him on everything he does. They're like, yes, we need to

00:48:18 do this next, excited about him. And then the other half are kind of like deeply bothered and

00:48:24 disturbed by his rhetoric and some of the things he said in the past. And so and then obviously,

00:48:28 the broader Canadian public is even more negative on Trump. So I think that the liberals want to

00:48:35 paint, you're right, that they want to paint Pierre as being sympathetic to Trump. And it's

00:48:39 harder for Poliev to talk about Trump, because half, like I said, half of his audience loves

00:48:44 Trump, and probably half of them hate him. What do you think? Yeah, no, I think it's certainly

00:48:48 difficult. You know, yeah, I mean, Trump obviously rubs a lot of a lot of people even like what he's

00:48:55 doing the way he does it rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and especially here in Canada.

00:49:01 So yeah, Pierre has to certainly walk that tightrope. But I think him just simply standing up

00:49:07 and focusing on the issue of Canadian sovereignty is a very, very, very key message. And especially

00:49:16 because he got into it a little bit in his message there, and some of the other things he's been

00:49:19 saying, I think he can make the case quite persuasively that the Liberals have actually

00:49:23 mean terrible on this. And the Liberal record is actually, to his point, has made Canada weaker

00:49:27 and given the Americans more influence. And so I think the Liberals should be a little careful

00:49:34 what they wish for. Yeah. Is this debate better than a straight cost of living debate for them?

00:49:38 Absolutely. But is it risk free for them? Not at all. Well, and so just further that,

00:49:43 Pierre Polyev was up in the Arctic in Nunavut yesterday on Monday, making his Canada first

00:49:50 plan announcement. I just love the imagery here. So I'm going to show you a clip of Pierre Polyev

00:49:54 announcing his Canada first plan, saying what he would do. And obviously, one of the main things

00:49:58 that the liberals have done is absolutely neglect our military and underfunded. You know, the idea

00:50:04 that we don't spend 2% of GDP on, you know, as a part of our commitment to NATO is a huge liberal

00:50:09 failure. So it gives Pierre a great opportunity. Let's play this clip. We need to become self-reliant

00:50:14 and protect our interests and our sovereignty.

00:50:18 That's why I'm announcing today part of my Canada First plan

00:50:23 to take back control of the Canadian Arctic.

00:50:26 One, we will double the size of the first patrol group of the Canadian Rangers

00:50:33 from 2,000 to 4,000 Rangers.

00:50:36 Two, we will acquire two additional polar icebreakers for the Royal Canadian Navy.

00:50:46 Three, the Canada First Plan of the Conservative government will build Canada's first permanent Arctic military base since the Cold War.

00:50:59 It will be CFB Iqaluit right here in this community.

00:51:06 So I'm all for that. So just to recap, his plan has three planks. He says, first, he's going to

00:51:12 double the size of the Canadian Rangers up in the north. He's going to second, acquire two additional

00:51:16 polar icebreakers for the Navy, and three, build a permanent Arctic military base called CFAB

00:51:22 Iqaluit. So I love this idea of developing the north. I think this is great. And I thought that

00:51:27 Pierre doing that was fantastic. And just to tie it back to the idea of, you know, so many

00:51:32 conservatives want to see conservatives in Canada doing what Trump is doing. I was excited by this

00:51:37 clip. So he was asked how he was going to pay for this. And here is what Pierre Polyev had to say.

00:51:43 All of these improvements will be funded by dramatically cutting foreign aid,

00:51:48 most of which, or a lot of which, goes to dictators, terrorists, and global bureaucracies.

00:51:54 We've got enough problems at home. We've got our own backyard to protect. We can't be sending

00:51:59 billions of dollars to other places, often much of it is wasted and stolen and swallowed up by

00:52:06 bureaucracies that act against our interests. I'm 100% here for that. I have my own petition,

00:52:12 folks. If you haven't signed it already, head on over to CandiceMalcolm.com and send a message,

00:52:17 defund foreign aid. I loved what Pierre was saying. I want to continue to push this message.

00:52:22 I think that every Canadian deserves to have our money being spent in Canada and not on these

00:52:27 disastrous, wasteful foreign aid program. So again, go sign our petition to defund foreign aid.

00:52:32 And Hamish, what was your takeaway from all of that? Well, it's fantastic. I mean, he's laying

00:52:36 out a, you know, clear, tangible things to actually protect or actions to actually protect

00:52:41 Canadian sovereignty, and not just rhetoric. And that's my point is that the liberals can

00:52:48 talk about this, these topics now, and try to make the case that they're the ones who can stand up

00:52:53 to the americans but they're not going to get a clean fight on this they're not going to be it's

00:52:58 not an easy win for them um that that paulio's got lots to say on this and he said some i think

00:53:02 good and exciting things foreign aid i remember i haven't gone through it in a few years i remember

00:53:06 a few years ago i went through the whole foreign aid budget in quite a bit of detail and what blew

00:53:11 me away wasn't just the dictatorships we were sending money to china which was seemed like an

00:53:15 idiotic thing to do uh but it wasn't just the the dictatorships we're also sending money to a lot

00:53:20 places that we would consider pretty developed there was lots of places in the caribbean that 0.99

00:53:24 were significant tourism destinations that were getting money from canada uh and and yet there

00:53:30 was you know shockingly little money going to some of the poorest countries in the world where

00:53:34 development money might actually uh could potentially do some good if it wasn't getting

00:53:38 stolen and managed properly i also spent some time overseas uh you know around the development

00:53:42 community and the amount of money that gets misappropriated is truly wild so you know i i

00:53:48 I think cracking down on this and spending it in an intelligent way

00:53:51 and using that money to protect our own sovereignty makes a lot of sense.

00:53:55 A hundred percent.

00:53:56 Okay, I want to talk to you a little bit about the date of the election,

00:53:58 because last time we were on the show,

00:53:59 we walked through a theory that was circulating online

00:54:02 that there's a possibility that the Liberals could implant Mark Carney

00:54:06 as their leader and then not call an election.

00:54:08 They could strike a deal with Jagmeet Singh, delay the election,

00:54:11 maybe get rid of that Elections Canada Act that calls for an auction

00:54:14 every four years and push it to five.

00:54:16 who were talking about potentially an October, 2026 election. Well, a lot has changed in the

00:54:20 last few weeks since you were on Hamish, because now I'm hearing the exact opposite. I posted this

00:54:24 on X over the weekend, that there's a rumor circulating that Mark Carney is going to call

00:54:29 an election himself after he wins the liberal leadership race. And I said, I'm guessing polls

00:54:34 like this are a motivating factor. And it linked to a poll that showed that he was actually gaining

00:54:39 and ahead. There's been other people who apparently have heard this. So I want to play a clip.

00:54:44 This is CTV's Vassie Capellos and Stephanie Levitz, also both suggesting that Carney himself may pull the plug and we may be going straight into an election.

00:54:52 Let's play that clip.

00:54:53 The next liberal leader will be elected on March the 9th, may choose to take Canadians to the polls right away.

00:54:59 Matt, I hear from people in and around the Carney campaign that they would go early, right?

00:55:04 Very soon thereafter.

00:55:07 So what do you think of this new rumor?

00:55:09 Well, I think there's a world of difference between what Ms. Capello says right there at the end,

00:55:14 where she says, go right away or very soon thereafter. Look, realistically,

00:55:21 Mark Carney becomes a leader of the Liberals on the 9th of March. He's probably not going to be

00:55:27 sworn in. The fastest they can swear him in is probably five or six days. He's got to pick a

00:55:33 cabinet. He's got to move staff around. There's a whole bunch of things he's going to have to do.

00:55:36 and then he's going to want to present some sort of vision you know going and having an election

00:55:43 immediately like instantly when Canadians still don't really know who he is and he hasn't presented

00:55:49 a the temptation for liberals to want to present some sort of a throne speech

00:55:55 or some sort of budget or something will be overwhelming

00:55:58 the other thing I would say is having been involved in leadership campaigns

00:56:03 and being involved at provincial and federal level,

00:56:07 the highest level of these decisions.

00:56:11 The desire, like, there's a lot of talk,

00:56:14 but I guarantee none of these decisions have been made today.

00:56:18 You know, and until they're going to want to get them sworn in

00:56:21 and they're going to say, well, what are the polls now that he's prime minister?

00:56:24 What do we want to see?

00:56:25 Although they're not going to call the election based on a poll

00:56:27 that's two weeks old back from the leadership.

00:56:29 They're going to say, well, now that he's been sworn in,

00:56:31 what are people going to see?

00:56:32 What are the policies we can run on? Very, very, very quickly, they're going to be running into that House of Commons coming back on the 24th of March and the possibility of a non-confidence vote.

00:56:49 And it'll come down to the NDP again. But I still think the most likely date for an election is the 12th of May and that the government will be defeated at some point in the last four or five days of March.

00:56:58 Okay, well, Jagmeet Singh himself chimed in. So he was speaking at a press conference yesterday in Windsor, Ontario, and he told reporters that he would work with the Liberals to fight back against Trump's tariffs threats. So implying that he wouldn't pull the plug right away. And that also, he may end up pulling the plug. Let's play that clip.

00:57:17 What will your government prioritize?

00:57:20 Bringing down the Trudeau government to get to an election sooner or finding a way to work together to fight against Donald Trump with some real meaningful measures?

00:57:32 Well, I mean, we could do that right now.

00:57:34 And I want to make this very clear.

00:57:36 And we've called for Parliament to be recalled because it can happen right now.

00:57:41 We could have Parliament back in session right now.

00:57:44 And then the government prioritizes which bills come forward.

00:57:47 So if they're serious about a package of supports to help us fight back against Donald Trump

00:57:53 and to support workers, they could prioritize that and put that before the House as the first

00:57:57 thing we vote on. And of course, at a time when we're threatened by a trade war, a war that we

00:58:02 did not want to start, but one that we have to fight back, then we will, I can't imagine any

00:58:07 opposition leader opposing measures to fight back against Donald Trump and to support workers.

00:58:13 So that's not what he said in December when he said he would pull the plug no matter what, whoever's leading the party. Obviously, we've had a change from Jagmeet Singh. Can't be trusted. He will change his position over and over and over again for whatever suits him. But I just I wonder about like whether Mark Carney would be better off taking the lead and calling the election himself as opposed to leaving it to Jagmeet Singh to decide his fate.

00:58:36 yeah i mean he could do that but as i said i he the timing is such that there will be confidence

00:58:43 votes before the end of march and i don't think that you know the only scenario i can see is that

00:58:52 carney would come back with a throne speech on the 24th of march have a budget that would be

00:58:58 introduced on the 25th or 26th and then instantly drop the writ in which case we're going to be in

00:59:03 the same scenario, whether he was defeated, you know, in a vote around that time or a day or two

00:59:07 later anyway. So I don't think we're going to be in an election substantially earlier than we'd

00:59:12 been talking about. But maybe there's a deal with Singh. I mean, Singh seems to specialize in making

00:59:17 deals that are bad for Singh. The NDP are down in the polls as well. They seem to have drifted

00:59:21 from 20-ish percent down to 16, I think we saw in that Ipsos poll. So that certainly would be a

00:59:29 decrease for them that they were not going to be happy about. So maybe the answer for them is

00:59:33 they're going to see if they can wait longer and see if the bloom comes off Carney. But, you know,

00:59:37 the NDP to do a deal with an international banker like Carney, you think it would go against

00:59:42 everything they stand for. But as I said, Singh's specialty is making deals that are terrible for

00:59:47 Singh. So we'll see where we end up. Well, it is very interesting because I can't imagine Jagmeet

00:59:54 Singh triggering an election when he's that down in the polls. It's a good observation that a lot

00:59:58 of the bounce that we've seen from the Liberals have actually been at the expense of the NDP

01:00:01 and not the Conservatives. But I really do think that the parallel to the United States was that

01:00:08 they kind of kept Kamala Harris hidden from view for the first month. She was the nominee. I remember

01:00:14 Ben Shapiro had a clock every day of how long she'd been the nominee without doing a national

01:00:18 interview. And I think it was over 30 days that she went without talking to anyone. And it wasn't

01:00:23 until people really started to hear her and see her that they decided that they didn't like her

01:00:27 and that they didn't want her to be candidate, might be better off for Mark Carney to remain hidden

01:00:31 and remain just sort of, you know, he looks like a prime minister and he looks like he's got a lot

01:00:36 of experience and he seems like he's capable without actually hearing from him. So I guess

01:00:40 we'll have to have you on again next month and we can go through the next scenario as well.

01:00:46 Hamish, before we go, I did want to talk to you quickly about Ontario because there's also an

01:00:50 election going on in Ontario and it seems like the progressive Conservatives are looking like

01:00:55 they're going to win very easily. So the latest polls have them up at 45% and the Liberals down

01:01:02 at 26%. It doesn't look like it's going to be particularly close. Although interestingly,

01:01:07 according to Nano's poll, 52% of Ontarians disagree with Doug Ford's decision to call an

01:01:13 early election. So people aren't happy that they have to go to the polls, but I don't think that

01:01:19 they're necessarily going to take it out on Doug Ford. So what do you make of that?

01:01:23 Well, I think it's a perfect example of the difference between what people think about something and whether it's an issue they care about.

01:01:30 Yeah, people don't like the idea of an early election, but in this case, they don't really care about it.

01:01:34 You know, it doesn't matter. The fact that they don't like it seems to have no impact on their likelihood to vote for Premier Ford and his team.

01:01:42 They're up effectively four points from the last election.

01:01:46 The Liberals stayed about the same, the NDP are down.

01:01:49 That's the other thing, by the way, that we'll be weighing on Mr. Singh's mind is the NDP part.

01:01:56 The NDP is very, very, very federally and provincially integrated.

01:02:00 And all their activists, you know, the NDP is desperately right now trying to hold on to their official opposition status in Ontario.

01:02:07 They're spending a lot of time and money and burning people out.

01:02:09 And then the idea of wanting to have another federal election, you know, almost immediately thereafter is going to be something that they're not too excited about.

01:02:18 I would think. But, you know, the forward PCs certainly look like they're on track.

01:02:24 Nothing seems to have changed. We're now a good couple of weeks into the campaign.

01:02:28 Nothing seems to be moving at the moment. The interesting thing is that, you know,

01:02:33 the NDP are dropping a bunch and what that does, how that plays to the seat count can be very

01:02:37 interesting. If the Liberal votes are reasonably concentrated in certain places, if Crombie has

01:02:43 personal popularity in Mississauga, she could actually win, even though she gets the same 0.90

01:02:47 percentage of the vote as the Liberals did in the last provincial election. She could win a bunch

01:02:51 more seats, perhaps mainly at the expense of the NDP. But on the whole, if the PCs are up four or

01:02:57 five points, we could expect them to win a bigger majority. And what do you think the ballot box

01:03:02 question is in Ontario? Like what is the motivating thing that people, is it a referendum on Doug

01:03:06 Ford in his time in office? Is it something to do with Trump? Is it a broader question of

01:03:11 Conservatives versus Liberals? Or what do you think is motivating people? I think it's very,

01:03:15 very very it's a very broad and very boring uh is it time for a change and the answer from

01:03:22 more than enough people to re-elect the government is yeah things are pretty good things are fine

01:03:28 and i think there's some convention that whatever people vote for in ontario they'll vote opposite

01:03:33 for the opposite uh federally so when there's a strong conservative leader in in queens park in

01:03:37 ontario uh more likely to vote liberal federally do you think there's anything to that for this

01:03:42 i mean it never it doesn't always line up perfectly um a variety of reasons it is it

01:03:49 has lined up at various points in the past i think it's one of those things that that that

01:03:53 it's one of those patterns that doesn't actually really mean anything um you know people in ontario

01:03:58 uh still want a change at the federal level from everything i've been seeing uh and i think that's

01:04:03 what we can expect uh whenever the federal election rolls around interesting all right

01:04:08 well hamish i really appreciate your time today thank you for all your insights and

01:04:11 and I look forward to having you back on the program again soon.

01:04:13 My pleasure.

01:04:15 All right. Thank you so much.

01:04:16 I'm Candice Malcolm. This is The Candice Malcolm Show.

01:04:18 We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news.

01:04:20 Thank you, and God bless.

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