Juno News - Is Carney Losing His Grip？

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown here to end the week. Thanks for tuning in to Not Sorry. I'm a

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00:00:24.000 got a great chat today with Brian Lilly because Mark Carney was in Washington Friday, but it's

00:00:28.940 not for the reason you may think. He's there for the World Cup draw, for which Canada paid an

00:00:33.420 exorbitant fee to host only a few games. But coming out of my discussion with Professor Ian Lee in our

00:00:39.000 last episode, and I encourage you to look that up on the Juno site or on the Juno YouTube, and remember

00:00:44.580 the word of that episode was propinquity. As we expanded on a theme of geography as destiny, Carney

00:00:50.580 should absolutely be making the time to force the issue on trade. In reporting Friday from Reuters,

00:00:56.140 U.S. President Donald Trump said he would meet with the leaders of Canada and Mexico later on Friday

00:01:00.940 to discuss trade, but gave no other details. Trump, speaking to reporters ahead of the FIFA World Cup

00:01:06.300 draw in Washington, said he was getting along very well with both leaders, and he was later seen speaking

00:01:11.460 with Carney on the sidelines of the event in a video gathered from the FIFA event. Canada's on a seemingly

00:01:17.860 delusional quest to diversify away from U.S. reliance. We're calling our proximity a vulnerability to the

00:01:24.900 world's great economy, but virtually every economic analysis confirms Canada's prosperity hinges on

00:01:31.100 its proximity to the world's powerhouse economy. And our layoffs are mounting, including 1,000 at

00:01:37.760 Algoma Steel this past week. A dismissive, who cares, elbows-up attitude can no longer cut it,

00:01:44.140 not amid 41,000 job losses heading into the holidays. This approach is clearly taking a toll

00:01:50.520 on Canadians' livelihoods. We may not have started this tariff situation, but we took leave of our

00:01:56.580 census for too long. We arguably still are, and we need to produce results for working Canadians

00:02:02.280 and begin to reshape our economy into one that's capable of productivity and making hard decisions,

00:02:08.400 like sending millions on expired and expiring temporary visas home so that our workers and our

00:02:14.740 citizens can prosper. Our subsidized economic model is a failure. Not letting unproductive and disloyal

00:02:22.220 employers go out of business or have to compete for our domestic workforce is a failure. To expand on

00:02:28.980 this and all the latest news to end the week, we're lucky to get to talk to Brian Lilly of the Toronto Sun,

00:02:34.180 also has a terrific sub-stack. And first, a word from our sponsor.

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00:03:01.800 companies first and removes key rights from victims and their families. Brian Lilly of the Toronto Sun

00:03:07.540 joins us, also publishes a terrific sub-stack. I'll link that in the show notes. Brian,

00:03:12.100 thanks for ending the week with us. Oh, thanks for having me. It's a nice distraction. I've got

00:03:17.620 the World Cup drawn, but they just keep having B-list celebrities come out and talk. So I know

00:03:23.660 Canada is in its own group right now as we talk. We'll find out who the rest of the group is later

00:03:28.340 on. Good. As long as it's not one of those groups of death like we had last time. Or like Iran and

00:03:34.960 Israel together. I don't want that. I don't want that in Toronto.

00:03:39.280 I think we have enough of those weekend protests. Let's avoid that. Brian, you have lots of terrific

00:03:45.200 work of late coming out of this week. Oh, thank you.

00:03:47.740 That I'd like to unpack for our audience. You've been a busy guy. You always are. But

00:03:51.160 we're taping this on Friday and Carney is in Washington for what is a brief stop. He's officially

00:03:57.000 there for the World Cup draw as you're watching right now, but not to visit the White House.

00:04:01.360 Dominic LeBlanc said that he's not there to talk trade with Trump, but Reuters just shared

00:04:05.960 a time of taping that the U.S. president said he would meet with the leaders of Canada and Mexico

00:04:10.240 later on Friday to discuss trade, giving no other details. Now, he said he was getting along very well

00:04:16.520 with both leaders. He was later seen speaking with Carney on the sidelines of the event.

00:04:20.980 As we continue to struggle under tariff uncertainty and Canadian layoffs are in the five figures at this

00:04:26.180 point, what would you like to see him do to restart stalled trade talks?

00:04:31.360 I think he's got to go in and offer, I believe it was Ambassador Pete Hoekstra, who isn't exactly

00:04:41.840 the most popular guy in Canada right now. But he talked about how they wanted at one point a grand

00:04:48.220 bargain, kind of like Mark Carney and Daniel Smith, a grand bargain, put a lot of things in there,

00:04:53.620 talk about it. And Donald Trump likes Mark Carney. Not sure why, he just really seems to dick this guy.

00:05:04.920 So, okay, lean into that, Mark Carney. President likes you. Use that to say, hey, Donald, you know,

00:05:11.600 it'd be great. Look, I know we had our problems. Let's get back together. Let's start talking again.

00:05:17.040 And let's put together a deal that will encompass trade, critical minerals, defense. And you and I

00:05:27.840 will hash out at the high level, and then we'll have the officials work out the details. I think

00:05:33.160 that that is key. And I think, you know, Carney could put some things on the table that would be

00:05:40.360 seen as gestures of goodwill, like just say, you know, if we're going to start trade talks in,

00:05:46.280 restart them in the new year, I'll make sure that American booze is back on the shelf early in the

00:05:51.600 new year. That's been a huge irritant for the Americans, because they didn't do that to us.

00:05:58.100 So we have, you know, matched them on tariffs on things like steel and aluminum and so on. But

00:06:04.220 we've escalated in several areas. And the thing is, the Americans don't see this as a trade war.

00:06:12.520 They see this as a negotiation, that they want things to change, and they want a different

00:06:16.880 negotiation. Our entire country, especially those in charge, they're in a different mindset. They see

00:06:23.980 this as a trade war, and that affects their mentality. And so they view it as, I've got to beat

00:06:31.380 you, I've got to defeat you. And we're going to escalate, and I'm going to beat the crap out of

00:06:37.520 you until you give me what I want. Yeah, okay, but if you're, you know, the guys on the other side of

00:06:42.960 the table, just think it's a negotiation, and you're being very aggressive. That doesn't necessarily

00:06:48.900 help. And we've seen that most countries of the world have some kind of agreement with the US.

00:06:55.180 And we're the only G7 country not covered by one. So that should tell us maybe our

00:07:01.060 plans have been working. So, you know, gestures of peace, like, hey, let's restart talks. Let's

00:07:08.600 start at a fresh slate. And we'll get American booze back on the shelves, I think is a good idea.

00:07:14.200 Yeah, that's a provincial thing. And he would have to go to Doug Ford and Wob Canoe and Tim

00:07:20.160 Houston and David Eby, not Danielle Smith or Scott Moe, because they've already put American booze back

00:07:26.180 on the shelf. Yeah, looking forward to my next visit to Saskatoon or Calgary to pick up a bottle

00:07:30.920 of bourbon. So, you know, he would have to go to them. But that is Mark Carney's job. And if he says,

00:07:38.180 look, you guys are getting in the way of me getting a deal on foreign policy. And that's,

00:07:46.340 that's my value. That's what I'm in charge of. You got to give this to me. And if the premiers are

00:07:53.000 smart, they'd say yes. But if things don't change, we, you know, we can put it back on the

00:07:57.740 table to take them, take them off the shelf. And that'd be fine. But you know, we should be

00:08:02.340 committing to buying the F-35. It is the superior jet. We could put things on the table like

00:08:08.780 Canada will agree to an increased amount of American auto parts in Canadian built cars.

00:08:16.480 That's something the industry tells me that they would be able to handle. It wouldn't hurt them.

00:08:21.960 And in fact, they support it. So, you know, there are certain things that could be done

00:08:28.940 to kickstart trade talks. And, you know, I've already heard after I published my column on this

00:08:34.660 saying this is what Mark Carney should say to Donald Trump at the World Cup. I've already heard, well,

00:08:39.440 why do you want to surrender? It's not surrendering, it's trying to get a deal. And, you know, so you've

00:08:45.960 got to give something if you want something in return. Don't have this mentality of, you know, we give

00:08:52.380 up nothing and you give us everything. We can't have that. So, you know, there's a lot that we can do.

00:08:58.840 And I think that Canada fundamentally does have a strong hand to play. We've got critical minerals. You

00:09:05.600 know, Carney could say, look, we start having a trade deal. I will fast track resource extraction and

00:09:16.620 processing permits for critical minerals in Alberta, BC, Quebec, Ontario, what have you. I will fast track that.

00:09:24.740 And guess what? Who's going to benefit? American industry and the American military. You will have the best access to

00:09:30.900 that in the world. Trump's trying to sign trade deals with Australia, with Ukraine as part of the

00:09:36.760 peace deal for critical minerals. If we can give him those, that is a good thing. That is a strong

00:09:43.880 hand for us to play. I don't think we've been playing our best hand. No. And that, that I'm so tired of

00:09:50.600 that criticism where if you, you raise a valid point, you're some sort of turncoat. I had a professor

00:09:56.300 Ian Lee on the show this week, great business professor from Carleton and the word. I've known

00:10:01.640 Ian for years. Yeah. Oh, he's like, I wish I could go back in time and switch my major from, from

00:10:06.180 policy side of business because he's just so passionate and so great at distilling these,

00:10:10.380 these difficult concepts into something more simple, especially for a guy with a BA. But the word

00:10:15.060 he used, the word of the, the, the episode was propinquity, which is, you know, geography is,

00:10:20.300 geography is destiny to him where he he's expanding on how it may satisfy politicos, but, but surely

00:10:27.560 sharing a border with the world's largest economy is not a vulnerability as the liberals have been

00:10:31.960 calling it, but, but a blessing, is it not? It is. I would say that we have, I would still argue we

00:10:42.540 are too reliant and have become too reliant on the American economy. I went back to the 1890s,

00:10:50.580 believe it or not, there were trade stats back in the 1890s. Wow. I found Canadian trade stats. And at

00:10:56.400 that point we sent, um, it was about 66%. Don't, don't quote me on the exact number, but about 66%

00:11:06.400 of our exports went to either the United Kingdom or some other part of the British empire. Remember

00:11:13.680 at that point, British empire, still the sun never set on it. It was at its peak. We were part of it.

00:11:20.600 This was our big trading relationship. And we, we relied on the United Kingdom for defense still.

00:11:26.820 Well, you know, fast forward 130 years later, and we are more reliant on the U S for trade and defense

00:11:35.860 than we were when we were part of the British empire being reliant on Britain. That would tell

00:11:40.480 me that we haven't done a good job at diversifying, but no matter how much we diversify, as you say,

00:11:46.400 that geography is destiny part. The United States is still going to be our biggest trading partner.

00:11:52.760 And that's a good thing. Let's lean into that. You know, there were business people at, um,

00:12:00.160 Congress yesterday, not at Congress, sorry. They were at the, um, United States, uh, trade

00:12:05.100 representative's office. There were hearings being held people like Goldie Hyder from the

00:12:10.160 business council of Canada, people like Flavio Volpe from the vehicle manufacturers, uh, parts

00:12:16.200 association. They were down there making the case for Canada. And there were also a lot of Americans

00:12:22.860 making the case that an integrated economy is good, but we, we can't demand, you know, say that we

00:12:31.500 are going to be independent and we will never be the 51st state. If we are so dependent on them that

00:12:38.780 anything that they do that takes away our precious access to them will cripple our economy. We do need

00:12:46.940 to define new markets, but that's going to take years. Uh, and it still won't replace. Like I can't

00:12:53.420 see as getting to a world where less than 60, 65% of our exports go to the States. Even if we start

00:13:00.520 doubling exports to China and the UK and to Europe, us is still going to be our biggest market.

00:13:07.740 Yeah. It's, it's still not something we can quite replace in the aggregate and, uh, don't hold me to

00:13:13.320 this audience, but I believe our, our number is something like 77%. So how do you, how do you find

00:13:18.480 that elsewhere? Uh, moreover on the, maybe causing problems for ourselves front, you reported this

00:13:25.800 week that if you were to listen to most of Canada's media, you'd be convinced that every

00:13:29.940 first nation on British Columbia's coast is 100% against any possible oil pipeline time. And again,

00:13:36.200 we keep hearing that coastal first nations are opposed to any pipeline and will stop any development.

00:13:42.060 When I hear that term, when that, when the public does, I'm sure I think all first nation groups along

00:13:47.200 the coast, but what does that term coastal first nations actually mean? Well, so in the generic

00:13:53.980 term, it means a first nation along the coast of British Columbia. Um, and so that could be any

00:14:00.980 number of bands along the British Columbia coast on the islands, but there's a specific group called

00:14:08.940 coastal first nations. And that's the group you keep hearing about media reports and they're a not

00:14:15.440 for profit. Yes. They have membership, um, that they describe as an alliance of first nations,

00:14:22.060 but they don't represent every coastal first nation. Their actual name is the great bear society

00:14:28.020 initiative. And they were started about 25 odd years ago with money from American foundations.

00:14:36.220 Eventually they, they were getting Canadian, uh, government money. And that's, I believe is their

00:14:41.200 primary source. Now, uh, both the BC government and the federal government, but, um, they got money

00:14:47.500 from the Rockefeller brothers fund. They got money from the tides foundation, the Moore foundation,

00:14:52.620 the Margaret, a Cargill foundation. What did all of these foundations have in common? They opposed the

00:14:59.900 development of Canada's oil and gas industry. They opposed the development of natural resources

00:15:04.940 industries, be it mining in British Columbia or forestry in British Columbia.

00:15:08.820 Well, if you are a coastal first nation, how are you going to earn your money? How are you going to

00:15:19.320 get ahead? Well, okay. You've got forestry lands. You can, you can make money off of that. You've got

00:15:26.820 mining rights. You've got, uh, you know, a route for a pipeline. Well, this group that, you know,

00:15:34.760 tries to portray itself and that most of the lazy media makes it sound like they speak for all first

00:15:41.840 nations. They, they don't, I'm not going to say that they don't speak for some groups. There are

00:15:48.160 going to be some bands that are absolutely on side with them, but not all. Uh, I just spoke with, uh,

00:15:54.000 with Ellis Ross for an upcoming episode of the full comment podcast that will come out on Monday.

00:15:58.800 Ellis is of course, former MLA from British Columbia. He's a current conservative MP for

00:16:06.140 Skeena Buckley Valley represents Kitimat, which is where the Heisla First Nation that he's the former

00:16:11.500 chief of was. And he said, I used to be on the board of that group. I pulled my band out of there

00:16:17.720 because they were opposed to all this resource development that was going to give people in

00:16:23.560 his community jobs and economic security. So, you know, saying coastal first nations are opposed

00:16:30.620 to this makes it sound like, well, all the bands along the coast are opposed. No, it's an activist

00:16:35.460 group. It's akin to saying, well, the NDP is opposed to it and the NDP speaks for Canadians. So

00:16:41.200 all Canadians are opposed to this. No, it's an activist group. And so like, I'm not saying that

00:16:48.440 they should be ignored, but let's treat them and label them as they are.

00:16:53.840 Yeah. Didn't most communities support Northern gateway in 2014 as well. I believe you've written

00:16:59.400 about this. Yeah. 31 different, uh, first nations groups along the route of Northern gateway supported

00:17:06.540 it, which was the vast majority along the route supported, um, Northern gateway, but you know,

00:17:12.860 who didn't coastal first nations, they opposed it. And their then executive director, a guy

00:17:19.100 named art stare at threatened to make sure that if anyone put a shovel in the ground to build

00:17:24.220 that pipeline, they would be there to stop it. Yeah. Well, you know, they, again, being portrayed

00:17:31.100 as something they're not. Um, and rock, uh, Rockefeller brothers fund. If you've never seen it put

00:17:38.860 together this, uh, plan in 2008 called the tar sands campaign that was to vilify Canada's oil and gas

00:17:46.940 industry to make sure that the oil sands, which they labeled the tar sands never was developed

00:17:54.940 properly. They wanted to shut down pipelines. They wanted to shut down extraction. They wanted to shut

00:18:00.060 down the industry. That was their goal. And they partnered with Canadian NGOs and some first nations

00:18:06.060 groups to try and accomplish that. That is what is still going on with this group, coastal first

00:18:10.380 nations. Yeah. And they've been enormously successful. And I'm going to link that report,

00:18:14.780 uh, in my show notes. I know you linked it on your sub stack as well, because all it takes is you're

00:18:19.660 five pages in and you're going, Oh no, like this is, they're truly radical. Uh, that friend and colleague,

00:18:25.900 Dr. Caroline Elliott out here, she, she wrote a piece in the national post this morning that really

00:18:30.540 went into just the absolute kookiness of the ideology that has overtaken British Columbian

00:18:35.580 politics of, of UNDRIP and DRIPA. And, and this, this just punishment is the point to ideology.

00:18:41.980 And I know that many are concerned that these, these NGOs, these groups like that, that they might

00:18:47.420 stand in the way of team Canada, you know, actually getting its pipeline to the, to the BC Pacific coast.

00:18:53.900 On that front, where's your confidence level on the MOU? We're, we're hearing some mixed remarks.

00:18:59.180 I, I certainly appreciate Danielle Smith's almost Herculean task here, but, but mixed remarks almost

00:19:04.940 all across liberal caucus to leave more Muhammad is, is all but changing its very text and remarks is,

00:19:10.860 is that a feature or a bug? Um, I'm hoping it's a bug. I don't know yet. Uh, you know, I'll, I'll cut

00:19:20.380 the prime minister, some slack at this point, just because premier Smith, um, has put a lot into this

00:19:28.140 and has a lot of faith in it. And, and so I'm going to say, all right, I'll trust her.

00:19:34.300 She's closer to it than I am. Um, but you know, so to leave Nur Muhammad is out there,

00:19:40.940 as you say, essentially rewriting it, he, he posted on X, well, you know, this will never happen without

00:19:45.980 BC's, um, you know, uh, permission, essentially, I'm not sure he used that word, but that, that was

00:19:52.460 the implication. And I said, well, that's not in the MOU. And in, in, in the same with the idea that

00:19:58.620 there's a veto for first nations, there's not a veto in the MOU. There's not a veto in Canadian

00:20:03.340 law. There's not a veto in Canadian jurisprudence, not for BC, not for any first nations. So

00:20:08.380 let's stop pretending otherwise CBC and, um, and let's deal with what's actually there. You know,

00:20:15.900 from what I know of Danielle Smith from 15 years of, of knowing her, following her, uh, covering her,

00:20:25.900 being on her radio show back when she had a show, you know, this is a woman that people have to stop

00:20:31.020 underestimating. And my guess is that, you know, she, she's told me that the private sector proponents

00:20:39.740 or developers are already at the table dealing with her in coming up with how a project could go

00:20:47.500 forward. So my guess is she's already talked to the big players and the small players and the medium

00:20:53.660 players about, are you interested now people will say, yeah, but you know, that's capital

00:20:58.700 expenditure. It takes a long time. Well, when did TC energy and Enbridge announced their big capex spends

00:21:05.660 that are all going to the U S last August, she needs a proponent by July 1st. I'm confident that she

00:21:13.980 has someone or a group of someone's waiting in the wing that will say, yeah, by, by July 1st,

00:21:20.140 if we get all these ducks in a row, that we will be able to announce our capex because that's when

00:21:25.740 they're going to do it is next summer. So they'll be able to say, yes, we'll get behind your project.

00:21:31.020 So, uh, you know, I don't think that she went into this with the idea of, well, I'll get the prime

00:21:37.100 minister to say yes. And then, and then I'll hope and pray that there's a, uh, you know, a private sector

00:21:42.860 proponent. I'm confident that she's been speaking to people every step of the way and saying,

00:21:47.500 what do you need for me to get you to guess? Yeah, they'd be awfully exposed if that wasn't

00:21:54.540 going on. And, and surely with some of the independent sentiments in Alberta, that would be,

00:21:58.940 that would have been a reckless approach. And so on that regard, I hope you're right. My,

00:22:03.420 my early concern is this is proving more to be a Rorschach test than, than worth the paper it's printed

00:22:09.260 on, but it, it encouraging nonetheless, a Herculean effort to, to even get the feds in the province

00:22:15.340 together. Nonetheless, I wanted to, to close with a question for you because I noticed it in your

00:22:19.420 latest sub stack where the interesting note here, and I am somewhat in agreement, you compare Pierre

00:22:25.980 Paulie have strong performance in the house to that of Tom Mulcair's and how that ended up for the,

00:22:30.940 for the NDP. Can you, can you elaborate on what lessons the conservatives should, should maybe take

00:22:36.620 from your point here and the point you're making and, and what kind of strategic pivot you might be

00:22:41.500 referring to? Well, I think they need to start showcasing the team. Pierre Paulie is an incredibly

00:22:47.500 accomplished parliamentarian. He's been at it a long time. You should be, if you're no good at it

00:22:51.900 after 20 years in the house, give it up, but he's good at it. But several days this week, um, I'm watching

00:22:59.820 question period, and he's taking every question. And when the leader is 20 points ahead of the party

00:23:08.940 in popularity and is a net benefit for the party, like say a year ago, this time, Pierre was polling

00:23:17.340 ahead of the party at that point. Now he's not, now he's a net drag on the party. And I'm not saying

00:23:24.380 they got to hide them, but they do need to showcase that there is a team, that there is a government in

00:23:31.980 waiting, that he has bench strength. So, you know, I'm sure many of your viewers have seen the,

00:23:39.420 the clips of Michelle Rempel Garner at immigration committee this week. She's just slaying it,

00:23:45.340 crushing it. Yeah. Yeah. Use her, use Melissa Lansman, deputy leader, use, um, Shuv Majumdar,

00:23:53.980 um, use the people that are there who will be your future cabinet and showcase them and say,

00:24:02.860 look, you know, these are the people with me. Jean Chrétien used that to great effect. Other

00:24:08.540 leaders have used that to great effect. Um, you know, it, in, in Polyev is essentially

00:24:16.540 up against Mark Carney in a resume contest at this point. If it's just him against them,

00:24:22.780 it's a resume contest. And I'll tell you how that ends. He loses. If it's just

00:24:29.980 what are Mark Carney's qualifications, what appear poly has qualifications, because that's how a lot

00:24:34.460 of voters are going to look at it. And they're going to say, well, you know, don't like everything

00:24:39.660 Carney's doing, but you know, he's got the experience. Okay. You put your team up against

00:24:45.100 Carney and his team, Michelle Rempel Garner versus Lena Diab, the immigration minister.

00:24:50.220 And that's an unfair fight when I, when I watch it. Yeah. Anybody up against, uh,

00:24:54.780 Minister Gary and Desangri at the, uh, public safety, you know, I, I think doesn't know what

00:25:01.340 a PAL or an RPAL are. Yeah. And, and if the rumors I'm hearing about a cabinet shuffle just after the

00:25:08.860 house rises next week are true, uh, Diab's gone from cabinet. Um, and Desangri is either gone or at

00:25:20.300 the least shuffled out of public safety. So Carney's got a, a weak team and you look around and you say,

00:25:27.820 who does he put in that hasn't been run through the rainer already? Like you had to bring in Mark

00:25:33.100 Miller to replace Stephen Guibault. Um, he's already in big, big trouble. Yeah. So, you know, um,

00:25:40.620 Pierre has a better team with them. Showcase the team. Carney's got a weak team with him.

00:25:45.260 Yeah. You're not going to win a resume contest with Mark Carney, but you might win in saying,

00:25:50.860 I've got the better team overall in this guy's team. You don't want them near. And do you want

00:25:55.500 Lena Diab telling you the time of day after that performance? I mean, they must get so nervous when

00:26:01.260 she speaks in the house of commons and even more nervous when she goes to committee where she

00:26:05.660 doesn't have, you know, like the 35 second rule and just stop talking. No, uh, Garner yesterday was

00:26:11.580 grilling her on, on these, these migrant crimes that these judges are, are really sadly just all but

00:26:18.220 dismissing out of respect for an immigration status that, you know, they've clearly violated. And, and

00:26:23.100 Diab is defaulting to her favorite ethnic foods and, and just scammer and tabbouleh. Hey, big fan of

00:26:29.820 Fattouche and tabbouleh. Yeah. I love Fattouche. Tabbouleh, yeah, not as much, but I love Fattouche.

00:26:35.820 Yeah. What does that have to do with what they're talking about? Brad Radicow was asking her about

00:26:41.740 the, the young woman who was denied the ability to put Israel as the place of her birth in her

00:26:47.580 passport application. And he, he asked her, do you condemn this? What do you mean condemn? I don't

00:26:53.660 know what that means. Yeah. Webster's dictionary defines condemnation. How are you this old? You've

00:27:00.140 been a provincial cabinet minister. Now you're a federal cabinet minister. You don't know what

00:27:05.340 condemn means. Yeah. I've, I've been told by folks that it's like the ineptitude with her is the point

00:27:12.060 that it's like, just, she can. So showcase your team, Pierre, because your team is going to beat

00:27:17.980 his team every day. I look, I think Mark Carney is a smart guy. I think he's used to running things

00:27:27.260 a certain way. And I can't imagine the level of frustration that he must have dealing with this

00:27:34.140 cabinet. Go back to one of my favorite lines, paraphrase of Sir John A. McDonald.

00:27:38.780 If you want me to have a better cabinet, send me better wood. He's got rotten wood in his cabinet

00:27:44.380 right now. And there's no way for people to send them better wood. Pierre's got better wood. Showcase

00:27:49.660 it. Fascinating insights. I think you're completely right there. Brian Lilly, thanks for joining us.

00:27:54.860 Thank you.

Juno News - December 06, 2025

Is Carney Losing His Grip？

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