Juno News - June 09, 2025


Is Carney REALLY better than Trudeau? I asked Danielle Smith.


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In this episode, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith joins Candice to talk about the First Ministers' meeting, her thoughts on the carbon tax, and her hopes for the future of energy development in Canada. She also talks about her hopes and dreams for the energy sector in Canada, and how she and other premiers can work with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to get things done.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a very special episode for
00:00:06.640 you today, folks. We are joined by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith. Danielle, thank you so much for
00:00:11.500 your time. Thanks for doing this. My pleasure. So it looks like you've had an incredibly busy
00:00:15.600 week. You were in Saskatoon earlier this week for the first ministers' meeting, and then it looks
00:00:21.120 like you went straight to Washington, D.C. to do more negotiations. So let's start with the
00:00:25.200 first ministers' meeting. I have to admit, I was a little surprised when I saw this headline in
00:00:28.980 the Calgary Herald from Rick Bell saying Smith vows to work with Kearney says he is way better than
00:00:34.620 Justin Trudeau. So can you sort of walk us through the meeting, what it was like? And it seems like
00:00:40.200 you were quite happy with the prime minister and what came out of that meeting. Well, I think that
00:00:44.840 the liberals almost faced annihilation in December. Six months ago, we were talking about them not
00:00:50.980 existing at all, and they had to do a major pivot and rethink of their positions and what had brought
00:00:55.420 them there. And clearly it was all of the anti-development, extreme environmental policy
00:01:00.380 that was hurting people and preventing projects from getting built. So I think we saw an immediate
00:01:04.800 pivot with the cancellation of the hated carbon tax on retail users. And now we have nine bad pieces
00:01:11.700 of legislation that are related to that, that also have to be repealed or substantially revised if we're
00:01:17.520 going to improve the investment climate for business. What I'm encouraged by is that the prime
00:01:23.140 minister is talking about a national projects list, identifying projects of national priority
00:01:29.240 that will have a fast track to approval as we're working through trying to change the legislative
00:01:34.160 framework. And so I'm prepared to work with him on that. We have a major project we'd like to see
00:01:38.840 built. We'd like to see a bitumen pipeline to the Northwest BC coast, probably Prince Rupert,
00:01:43.580 coupled with the Pathways project, which is the big oil sands project that would decarbonize their
00:01:49.520 production. And if we can get those two things together, I think that'll be a real demonstration
00:01:53.480 that we do have a change of direction with this prime minister. So we're going to test it out
00:01:57.760 and I'll work with him until it becomes apparent one way or the other, whether it is a true change
00:02:04.180 of direction or not. Well, it seems like it's great to see your optimism. And I think we're all very
00:02:09.780 hopeful that we can see major projects like this being built. Just today, Friday, the Carney government
00:02:15.020 did introduce new legislation that would cut internal trade barriers and try to advance these
00:02:20.440 nation building projects. I had a little chuckle when I read what this was, because it basically
00:02:24.720 creating a new government department to try to fast track internal trade and internal pipelines. It just
00:02:29.500 seems like such a typical liberal thing to do. Like we're going to try to try to streamline things by
00:02:34.540 creating more bureaucracy and more government. So I'm wondering if I could get your quick reaction to
00:02:39.420 this new proposed legislation. Well, there's no question that they are creating a new process because of
00:02:45.380 all of the bottlenecks and drag that they have on all of their other bureaucratic processes. But that being 0.88
00:02:50.620 said, they may be borrowing from what they're seeing in the United States with this Energy Security Council
00:02:56.460 headed up by Interior Secretary Doug Burgum. He's got everyone at the table who has the potential to block
00:03:02.780 any major projects so that he can find a fast track for them. And so if we're replicating that process, I think
00:03:09.040 that's good. But in the end, if we're going to get private proponents, we can't just continue to
00:03:14.940 maintain the laws that are suppressing private sector investment. We've got to repeal or replace
00:03:21.280 them. And so if it means that we can get projects identified that will get exemptions so that they
00:03:27.400 can go forward, and through that process, we learn what we need to change in the others, then it may end
00:03:33.500 up working out. I'm just encouraged by the fact that we're now talking about mining again in all of the
00:03:38.860 provinces. Gold mines in Manitoba, the Golden Triangle in British Columbia, more potash and
00:03:47.400 uranium in Saskatchewan, and yes, bitumen out of Alberta. The fact that we're talking this way and
00:03:53.100 talking about how all of us can work together to get our projects built and get our product to new
00:03:57.820 markets, I think it's an absolute sea change in the conversation. And I think if the federal
00:04:02.600 government is able to support us in those efforts, I think it's going to be good for all of Canada.
00:04:07.620 Well, I want to ask you about specifically the Alberta Accord, and then you re-emphasize the sort
00:04:12.380 of nine terrible laws. And I believe you sent a letter to Prime Minister Carney this week sort of
00:04:17.520 outlining it, the one that you just mentioned, guaranteeing Alberta gets full access to unfettered
00:04:22.800 oil and gas corridors to the north, including that pipeline that you mentioned. But then we also heard
00:04:27.220 this week from British Columbia Premier David Eby saying that they won't be changing their mind on
00:04:32.680 another BC pipeline. And of course, we've heard Mark Carney in the past saying that they will not
00:04:37.680 impose a project on a province, that they need to build the consensus. So do you feel like we're
00:04:43.480 heading in the right direction? Do you think that a pipeline can be built under these circumstances?
00:04:48.600 Well, we did end up seeing two pipelines built under similar circumstances. The coastal gasoline pipeline
00:04:53.620 did get built. The Trans Mountain pipeline did get built. Both of them were more expensive than they
00:04:58.460 needed to be. The latter would have been better if it had been done by the private sector. But
00:05:03.200 unfortunately, because of the investment climate, it had to be done by government. But I think that
00:05:07.520 that's a demonstration that you can identify what the issues are and try to address them.
00:05:11.820 And so I know that there are certain issues that developed out of the previous approach with
00:05:17.400 Northern Gateway. There needs to be more robust equity ownership, I believe, by First Nations.
00:05:23.640 We need to perhaps reconsider the port so that it doesn't go through the Douglas Channel at
00:05:28.100 Kitimat. Port-au-Prince-Rupert is really more of a direct line of sight to the open sea. And then
00:05:33.920 the issue of trying to have a lower emissions product going through it. The Pathways project
00:05:38.980 would lower emissions. They intend to be net zero by 2050 through a combination of carbon capture,
00:05:45.840 nuclear and hydroelectric power, and direct air capture. So I've been supportive of their approach.
00:05:51.520 And if we can find a way to identify the objections and address them, then I don't see any reason why
00:05:57.340 we can't get that consensus. Interesting. I want to ask you about this new Angus Reid poll that was just
00:06:03.000 released showing that Canadians are rather dismissive of Alberta's grievances. From my perspective, a little
00:06:08.220 bit of Ontario, and I think that Alberta has a lot of legitimate grievances, but it seems like my fellow
00:06:13.480 Canadians in this part of the country don't agree. So when asked, do you think Alberta has been treated fairly,
00:06:18.160 or the West, sorry, has been treated fairly? Basically, Western Canadians say, you can see the
00:06:23.020 graph on the screen, that they say that no, 70% of Albertans say no, 74% of people in Saskatchewan say
00:06:28.900 no. But then when you go to the eastern part of the province, it's flipped, right? So, you know, 62% in
00:06:34.820 Ontario say yes, they're treated fairly, 77% in Quebec. And then the next question is, does Western
00:06:39.580 Canada complain too much? 66% of people in Canada say yes, they complain too much. 57% in Quebec, 53% in
00:06:47.140 Ontario's. Premier, I'm wondering what you make of the attitudes that seem to be coming from eastern
00:06:52.740 Canada that think that Alberta is treated just fine and that the complaints are unwarranted?
00:06:57.340 Well, I guess I think people need to understand that there's only two provinces that don't have
00:07:04.200 access to a coast, and that's Alberta and Saskatchewan. It means that we have to rely on the goodwill and
00:07:10.900 generosity of our neighbours more than any of them do. And sadly, we haven't had enough goodwill and
00:07:16.980 generosity of our neighbours. It's been a fight on everything that we've wanted to build to the
00:07:20.760 point now where if we had been able to build all of the pipelines that we wanted to, Energy East,
00:07:26.120 Northern Gateway, and Keystone, we would have two and a half million barrels more per day
00:07:30.520 of production, which would generate $55 billion of additional GDP, of which we'd probably get $17
00:07:37.380 billion of additional revenue, and the federal government would get somewhere near that.
00:07:41.040 So these are not inconsequential issues. I mean, I would challenge other provinces to identify
00:07:48.000 a similar amount of projects that have been stymied or cancelled by their federal government,
00:07:53.780 resulting in a similar amount of economic damage. I don't think that there is any.
00:07:58.020 So maybe we have been a little more stoic than we should have about how unfair and unreasonable it
00:08:04.100 was, but we're not being stoic and silent anymore. We're saying this is our time,
00:08:07.800 that we need to get another pipeline built to Tidewater. If we're genuinely interested
00:08:12.920 in getting our markets expanded, we can't keep sending everything to the United States. We have
00:08:19.280 to build a pipeline to the East Coast of a substantial nature so that we can continue to
00:08:23.600 develop our Asian markets. Ideally, we will also get a pipeline built to Churchill so that we would
00:08:28.440 be able to, with icebreakers, move up and over and feed the East Coast refineries as well as get to
00:08:33.140 Europe. But that's what nation-building projects look like. It means we work together for our mutual
00:08:38.820 benefit. That's the spirit that I'm approaching this with. And I think it's the spirit that the
00:08:42.740 other premiers are approaching it with as well.
00:08:45.620 Well, I take your note that Alberta has been quite stoic in the past. And yet, you know,
00:08:51.160 I will say the day after the federal election, I was receiving emails and notes and messages from
00:08:55.500 people in Alberta saying, enough is enough. Now is the time to go it alone. And it's independence.
00:09:02.520 I interviewed Preston Manning on my show, and he said that he thought that Mark Carney will be the
00:09:07.540 last prime minister of a united Canada, which is a pretty strong and bold statement. I'm wondering,
00:09:12.280 we saw that you made changes to the Citizens Initiative Act to lower the threshold to trigger
00:09:16.440 a referendum. Do you think that this is a legitimate cause? And how do you see that movement playing
00:09:23.500 out? There have already been two questions that have been filed on the new referenda thresholds,
00:09:29.980 and both of them are related to issues of sovereignty. One saying, let's stay in Canada,
00:09:36.340 and the other one saying, let's go it alone. So I'll watch and see which petition campaign gets the
00:09:40.960 most signatures, and if either of them get enough to be able to be put to a vote. But my job is to see
00:09:46.720 this very legitimate concern that Albertans have, that Canada is just not working for Alberta. We are on
00:09:53.300 Team Canada, but Team Canada is not on Team Alberta. And the way that we can address that is by having
00:09:59.320 these big nation-building projects that benefit everyone go ahead in a way that has not been
00:10:05.360 possible or easy in previous years. So I want to work with the prime minister. I want to take him
00:10:11.560 at his word that he wants to be an energy superpower on both conventional and new energy. We have the
00:10:16.560 ability to develop both out. I know that all of the other premiers are putting forward really
00:10:21.320 interesting mining projects that might not have been considered six months ago, but are actively
00:10:26.280 being considered now. I think we've realized what happens if you have incredible resource wealth,
00:10:32.280 whether it's critical minerals or uranium or gold or bitumen, and you leave it in the ground. You end
00:10:37.420 up impoverishing your people. You end up not being able to see your standard of living and quality of
00:10:41.340 life go up. You end up falling behind every single country in the OECD. And the only way to change that
00:10:46.920 is to change behavior. And we've got to start developing the resources the world wants. Do
00:10:51.880 it in an environmentally responsible way with Indigenous partners. And I think we can develop
00:10:56.600 a new era of incredible prosperity for everyone. That's what I'm hopeful for. I think that's what
00:11:01.400 the premiers are hopeful for. Maybe it's taking some of the people that Angus Reid pulls a little
00:11:06.040 longer to catch up. But I think that's where the Canadian sentiment is.
00:11:09.080 Well, I do love the optimism there, Premier. I wanted to ask you about your trip to Washington,
00:11:14.120 D.C. The headlines were saying that you saw a breakthrough in your discussions with the
00:11:19.800 Americans. You mentioned Doug Burgum earlier in the discussion. So can you walk us through
00:11:23.400 what's happening with that? There are a number of projects that are being proposed to get more
00:11:28.520 pipeline access into the United States. And I think the race is on for which one is going to
00:11:35.320 emerge as the initial proponent and the initial approved project. And the Americans are very keen
00:11:41.880 to fast track, as I mentioned with that energy council. But I think that that's something that
00:11:46.360 Canadians have to be mindful of. What does it say to Alberta if it's easier for us to trade with the
00:11:50.920 United States than to trade with each other? What does it say to Albertans if we continue to have
00:11:55.640 provinces block our projects while Americans embrace them? I think that that would be moving in the
00:12:00.120 wrong direction. What I hear and my takeaway from the last election was that people want a more
00:12:07.240 moderate government that is going to be supportive of these economic interests. And so, as I say,
00:12:12.040 I think the race is on because there are a number of projects that could potentially be approved and
00:12:16.200 go ahead in the United States. My priority, though, would be getting that new pipeline to the northwest
00:12:21.640 BC coast because I think that would do so much to not only improve the wealth of Canadians, but it also
00:12:26.600 would ensure that we get new markets, which is absolutely essential to ensure that we don't
00:12:32.120 continue to be reliant on the United States. Well, forget about politics for a moment. I think all of
00:12:37.880 Canada is definitely behind Edmonton right now with the Oilers heading into the finals. I think it's
00:12:43.080 game two tonight. I know you're from Southern Alberta, Premier. So can you confirm, will you be
00:12:48.600 cheering for the Oilers and what do you think is going to happen? Always. I grew up in an Oilers family.
00:12:53.240 And so, you know, my brother hates it when I say it, but he cried when Wayne Gretzky was traded.
00:12:58.040 And then I was also, after that, a Flames fan because we took it to the Cup in 89. I'm one of
00:13:04.120 these true, I call it a unicorn, that I'm an Albertan who really does root for both teams.
00:13:09.880 So it just so happens that the team that's making it the furthest is the Oilers this year for the
00:13:15.000 second time. And we're all very hopeful that they're going to bring the Cup home and make all Canadians proud.
00:13:19.320 Excellent. Well, Premier Smith, thank you so much for your time and your insight.
00:13:23.000 We really appreciate you joining the show today.
00:13:24.280 You bet. Thanks again.
00:13:25.160 All right. Thanks so much, folks. We'll see you back on Monday. I'm
00:13:28.520 Candice Malcolm. This is Candice Malcolm's show. Thank you and God bless.