00:03:55.740His party has become the party of anti-Semites.
00:03:59.280You've got people who are getting up wearing keffiyehs in the legislature, and you've got people making motions to end the arms distribution to Israel.
00:04:12.060I mean, could this party do more to drive itself down in the polls?
00:04:22.680This is the same Jagmeet Singh who walks around wearing Rolex watches and driving, you know, designer cars and thinks he is the champion of the working people.
00:04:32.640This guy is so disconnected from reality.
00:04:37.240He had that pause, right, when he was sitting in his chair, because I think he realized that if he didn't say something about, you know, wanting to actually continue his political career and wanting to win,
00:04:48.260then it would appear as though he has no use in Ottawa at all.
00:04:51.200He sits down and he's like, wait, I have to say something.
00:04:54.760I have to say something about, you know, about our political chances.
00:05:01.220It seems as though, William, he knows that there is no chance for him.
00:05:05.280It seems more and more likely, actually, that this agreement with Justin Trudeau was not really about advancing some of these NDP policies,
00:05:13.140as much as it may have actually been about personally advancing himself and staying in power.
00:05:18.140Because any election that would have been called without this power sharing agreement would have certainly seen not only his party get defeated,
00:05:24.980but he potentially would lose his seat.
00:05:29.360And if you look at what's happened in some other places where we've seen power sharing agreements,
00:05:33.760the one I'm most familiar with is when David Cameron won a minority election in the UK and formed a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats under Nick Clegg.
00:05:45.580Well, when the next election actually happened, the Liberal Democrats and Nick Clegg were blasted out of the water.
00:05:50.900It was really the end of them politically, not just for that election, but up until this time.
00:05:56.400It's been more than 10 years now, and I think you're going to see the same thing.
00:05:59.360The Democrats have abandoned the one key thing that they had,
00:06:03.300which was the ability to extract concessions from the Liberal government in exchange for their support on key votes.
00:06:09.720And by signing a blank check and saying, we're going to back you no matter what, vote after vote, issue after issue,
00:06:16.480they really said, we are open to being taken advantage of instead of having a fight for their support on issue by issue.
00:06:23.280And I think it was a terrible mistake on the part of NDP strategists,
00:06:26.840and it's going to bite them in the ass in the next election.
00:11:55.400But parents have essentially handed their kids over to schools and expected them to parent.
00:12:00.260And, you know, I'm wondering, I haven't heard any speak out.
00:12:05.260Are they watching this young lady who's asking for humanitarian aid, you know, DoorDash essentially, to deliver some food to their building?
00:12:14.560Are they watching this and are they ashamed?
00:12:23.240William, what do you make of what we're seeing in the United States and now just recently at U of T?
00:12:28.080Well, I did have to laugh at the Columbia student protester who demanded that they be delivered food.
00:12:36.800You know, there's an expression that said the revolution will not be televised.
00:12:40.800Well, in this case, the revolution will not be catered.
00:12:43.560And if you were going to occupy a building, maybe you should have thought ahead of time about bringing snacks and drinks from home.
00:12:50.580But I think Sue Ann makes a great point, which is obviously these kids can wake up one morning in the past couple of weeks and decide to be rabidly pro-Hamas and anti-Semitic.
00:13:03.680It's a case of this is learned behavior from years of activist teachers, activist professors and activist student groups allowed to present a very distorted picture of reality to these people.
00:13:17.040And parents who either through inaction or because they didn't want to have a difficult and awkward conversation with their own children allowed this to happen.
00:13:27.640And I don't think it's a coincidence that we're now seeing a rise of parental rights movements in Canada, in the United States and elsewhere saying we're deeply concerned about what our kids are being taught or indoctrinated with in schools.
00:13:40.680The propaganda they're being fed because, frankly, they're turning into people we don't recognize, you know, I'm sure that these kids all had loving parents and or parents who thought they were doing the best by their kids.
00:13:54.400But in reality, they've allowed their kids to become brainwashed.
00:13:57.060And it's deeply disturbing to see the consequence, of course, being now so many Jewish students feel unwelcome and unsafe on university campuses, which is completely unacceptable.
00:14:08.320And I think it's why there are various moves now to try and address this situation, because it's becoming untenable.
00:14:16.320Certainly anyone who has witnessed these protests cannot say they're simply protests in solidarity with the Palestinian people.
00:14:24.720The rhetoric being used is hateful, violent and fully anti-Semitic.
00:14:30.560And I think people have said enough is enough. We cannot allow this to continue.
00:14:34.280Yeah, I mean, there's that there's that, you know, it's not a story necessarily, but people have talked about this, that, you know, you send your kid off to university and they're totally normal.
00:14:43.920They come back with totally different color hair and they've got some strange gender that doesn't really exist anywhere.
00:14:49.120Right. That happens. People do get indoctrinated at these schools and it is a big issue.
00:14:54.280I think there's also a point to make here about how universities, you know, there has always been a tradition of protest and activism, anti-war protests and activism at universities for decades in the United States and in Canada.
00:15:08.900But there is something different about these protests.
00:15:11.120It's not the same as the anti-apartheid protests that were happening in the 80s on university campuses.
00:15:16.920There's something different here and there's something fundamentally wrong about what they're fighting for.
00:15:21.360They have their facts wrong. But as you point out, as you both have pointed out, it's being fed by professors and by media who are leading them down this path that is not righteous, like the anti-apartheid protests and perhaps the anti-war protests in Vietnam.
00:15:38.800It's completely different than what we've seen in the past.
00:15:42.420Well, and if you go up to any of these young ladies and I saw a wonderful clip on I think it was on Twitter or on X, I should say, where these young ladies were asked, what are you doing here?
00:15:57.580Oh, I don't know. I just thought I'd come down and join the fun.
00:16:02.000And they don't know what the heck they're protesting about.
00:16:07.160They don't know what from the river to the sea means.
00:16:09.960They don't even know where Rafa is or Palestine.
00:16:13.240They couldn't point it out in a map if you asked them.
00:16:18.640And the other thing that I didn't mention before is that it's probably exam time is finished in Canada, but certainly in the States, they're going through exams.
00:16:29.380And do the parents not care that their kids are finishing the term or, you know, instead of sitting out in tents, shouldn't they be writing their exams?
00:16:39.840And the whole thing about not allowing Jewish students into the university, that's outrageous, absolutely outrageous.
00:16:48.500And parents watching this, I'm watching it on TV.
00:17:02.940Yeah, William, what do you make of those comments?
00:17:06.240Well, I think it'd be an interesting exercise to go onto these campus protests and ask them to identify what the name of the river is and what the name of the sea is.
00:17:16.780And maybe as a precursor to having a position on this conflict, you should have to be able to answer some basic questions about it.
00:17:23.260I bet we'd find a lot of them wouldn't be able to articulate either of those things.
00:17:27.360But, no, I completely agree with Sue Ann's point that if you're a Jewish student who's paid for these classes and who wants to get an elite post-secondary education, and now you're being denied the right to enter your buildings or move certain places on campus, it's completely unacceptable.
00:17:46.940But your rights infringing on other people's rights have to come up against some reasonable limits.
00:17:52.680And I think in the case of these protests, when you see them occupying buildings, committing acts of violence, calling for hatred and violence against different groups and religions, I think all of that combined means they've crossed that line beyond legitimate, peaceful protesting into something far darker and far more disturbing.
00:18:10.360Right. And the federal government has, in Canada, they've displayed a willingness to treat protests differently depending on the cause that is being protested.
00:18:19.200Of course, we've seen protests just remove the university protests, these pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine protests, remove that from the university.
00:18:27.400Let's talk about the protests outside of the synagogues, outside of religious places of worship.
00:18:32.660Well, that was treated a completely different way than a peaceful protest in Ottawa over vaccine mandates.
00:18:42.460Another point I want to raise, going back to the tradition of protests at universities, in these protests in the past, in decades past,
00:18:51.000I don't think the majority of people involved in these protests were trying to cover their faces, wearing masks and masking their identity.
00:18:58.400It seems, Sue Ann, that you talk about how parents might be ashamed of seeing their children involved in these protests.
00:19:04.860Maybe some of these people, they don't want to be seen in the protests themselves, but they want to be a part of the movement.
00:19:09.420They're maybe afraid to show their own identity for a cause they apparently seem so worthy to stand up for.
00:19:16.580Definitely. I think, you know, let's talk about Toronto and the rules around not masking yourself at protests.
00:19:27.140Well, that doesn't seem to have been upheld.
00:19:31.160So we still have them wearing these masks and the keffias rocked around their heads.
00:19:37.420And, you know, they either they're ashamed or they think that if they don't, if they cover their faces, they won't be arrested because they can't be identified.
00:19:46.420But let's just say they're fooling themselves.
00:19:49.620Yeah, I don't want to open this aspect up just to a broader conversation.
00:19:55.580It's in the news now and there have been Canadian conservative commentators and American conservative commentators talking about this.
00:20:01.740United States, they just passed a piece of legislation which tackles anti-Semitism.
00:20:06.480Now, a lot of people are saying that instead of instead of enforcing the laws that are already on the books to clear out these protests,
00:20:14.240the government has now moved to actually tighten free speech rules around ability to criticize Israel, for example.
00:20:22.100I want to get your opinions, both of you, on just the idea of adding in new legislation to combat anti-Semitism rather than just clearing out the protests with the additional laws in place.
00:20:37.280I mean, I think everybody has to be extremely careful when we start passing laws that further limit any of our fundamental freedoms.
00:20:46.580I think what we're seeing in the case of the United States is a reaction to the apparent failure of institutions, of law enforcement, of universities to actually do something meaningful about these protests.
00:21:00.300They're looking at these protesters getting away with everything they have been and saying, well, look, we don't think this is acceptable.
00:21:07.980We want to strengthen the toolbox in order to be able to take more direct action on it.
00:21:12.620I think there is a lot of risk when you start to say certain things fall under that restricted category or you take away fundamental freedoms of speech or assembly.
00:21:23.820But I think it just reflects the desperation.
00:21:27.020So many feel in saying, why can't we do something about this?
00:21:29.780Why can't we clear out some of these encampments?
00:21:33.000Why can't we stop people from making violent and hateful statements?
00:21:37.040Why can't we arrest people for breaking the law?
00:21:41.000So, you know, you're seeing those two forces come up against each other, a desire to have freedom of speech, freedom of protest, freedom of assembly and saying, but also we've crossed the line into far darker things and we need to take fundamental action against them.
00:21:53.040So, Sue Ann, what do you think about this, this combating between existing laws and wanting to add more laws into place?
00:24:02.340And I wish there was a good transition for this, but there really isn't.
00:24:06.460We have to move on to our next story here.
00:24:08.340And for whatever reason, the liberals and the legacy media have refused to let go of this story, this Diagilon story, trying to somehow paint Pierre Pauly of the Conservative Party as though they're secretly collaborating with the dangerous far right.
00:24:24.160Let's throw up another article about this story if we have it.
00:24:28.780So Jeremy McKenzie, who we spoke about on this show last week, he, of course, is credited as being the founder of Diagilon.
00:24:36.240In reality, Diagilon is not even actually a group.
00:24:39.700We know that from the HateGate reporting, they don't meet the definition of a group, let alone a dangerous far right militia, as some have tried to paint them as.
00:24:49.280But that has been the line from Anti-Hate Network.
00:24:54.020And so he actually went on, I think it was with Viva Frye, and he released a statement saying that he is not connected with the Conservative Party.
00:25:03.460He is not connected with Pierre Pauly of.
00:25:06.040In fact, anyone who follows the rhetoric of the group and the people that watch Jeremy McKenzie know that he is by no means a fan of Pierre Pauly of.
00:25:14.040In fact, it seems as though they seem to attack Pierre Pauly of as much, if not more, than they attack Justin Trudeau.
00:25:19.840But, of course, that has not stopped the Liberals and the media from staying on this story relentlessly.
00:25:25.560They seem desperate, William, to do whatever they can to try to paint Pierre Pauly of as someone he is clearly not.
00:25:34.280And as far as I can tell, Diagilon is like three people.
00:25:38.080It's three people who are very unhappy about a lot of different things.
00:25:42.340And they seem equally as unhappy about Pierre Pauly of as they do about Justin Trudeau.
00:25:48.040So why the Liberals seem to think that this three person, this trio of malcontents, is somehow a fundamental threat to our civilization, well, they're going to have to explain it to me again.
00:26:00.980I would say what it's showing is, frankly, the desperation on the part of the Liberal government.
00:26:06.940They put all of their effort into this 2024 budget, into the affordability and housing announcements that they touted for weeks leading up to the budget,
00:26:17.420and should be right now doing a full court press selling to Canadians how their lives would be better off with this Liberal budget and therefore under the Liberal government.
00:26:28.320The fact that they're not shows just how much of a flaw this budget has been for them.
00:26:36.300Desperate accusations from Pierre Pauly of as using the term wacko is the end of parliamentary democracy to Diagilon is a secret Pierre Pauly of as militia that's going to destroy Canada.
00:26:50.360I haven't checked Twitter or X lately.
00:26:55.120And I think the fact that they aren't even denting Pierre's popularity reflects just how much Canadians have tuned out the Liberal government and Prime Minister Trudeau.
00:27:04.980Suhan, what do you make of these desperate attempts, these desperate attacks against Pierre Pauly of?
00:28:26.560Why don't we throw up the polling that our colleague, Cosmin Georgia, was able to pull from.
00:28:32.380Basically, it's actually been following for since 2022, since June of 2022.
00:28:36.900At the end here, you can see that this, from April 29th to the 24th, Pauly of polling has actually increased.
00:28:45.120And these diagonal smears against Pauly of and the conservatives began right at that time.
00:28:50.420So none of this is actually working for them.
00:28:53.140And there's a couple of things going on here, which I find very interesting.
00:28:55.980I made this point in my show that we released yesterday about how these attempts by the liberals to make Diaglons seem bigger and scarier and more important than they actually are, only really serve to do two things.
00:29:08.580One, it actually will get more attention to a group they supposedly feel as though is some dangerous right-wing militia.
00:29:15.260People are going to actually see this and look into it.
00:29:18.360The other thing that I think is going on here is that they want Diaglons to be a bigger force than it is because they want to have the weapon to attack conservatives with.
00:29:27.900They need to have their Canadian version of the Proud Boys, which they can use to silence conservatives and silence conservatives into submission.
00:29:37.700And I don't think it's going to work for them.
00:29:38.920But they're obviously, in my opinion, trying to do that.
00:29:41.640They're trying to create something out of nothing here and create something that they can use for many years to attack conservatives over.
00:29:49.020Let me know, William, as someone who's worked in this industry and inside politics, if you think that I'm on to something here, if you think I'm a little off.
00:29:57.900I mean, they're trying to change the channel away from their own dismal performance and their own low popularity.
00:30:04.760The problem is what they're trying to change the channel to is just so unconvincing.
00:30:09.460You know, the idea that this Diaglons group is anything other than a small group of, you know, some would say crackpots, others would say malcontents, the grumpy people who they are, poses some sort of threat to Canada is absolutely ludicrous.
00:30:27.240In the same way that, you know, when Alex Jones says he likes Pierre Polliver, suddenly that represents some sort of fundamental threat to Canada.
00:30:37.060And I'll bet you most of the people in Canada would have to Google who Alex Jones is to have any idea of what the Liberals are talking about.
00:30:45.660These are symptoms of a government that doesn't have a policy agenda that can deal with the issues and with the concerns that ordinary Canadians have.
00:30:56.340They're offside on so many things, things like the carbon tax, which is widely unpopular.
00:31:00.860They're, you know, they're soft on crime, soft on drug addiction agenda, which is really out of step with Canadians, especially those in cities and smaller towns.
00:31:12.400And so instead of trying to present policy ideas, they're down to this.
00:31:16.860And the muck they have is just so unconvincing that I don't think you're going to see any movement in the polls except for an increase in Conservative support and an ongoing decrease in Liberal.
00:31:26.420And this is despite the attempts by the trained media seals who, you know, speak up and make the most ludicrous comments.
00:31:39.180I could think of a few names, but I won't, you know, single out anybody.
00:31:42.680But, you know, that panel with Rosie Barton, they're just, it's just ridiculous that they go on and on and on.
00:31:52.080And it's, people are tuning out this sort of thing.
00:31:55.080They, they just, they know that Justin Trudeau is, is bailing these people out and they know that the CBC is, you know, over, over granted, getting too much money.
00:32:07.520And, and they just don't believe these kinds of things anymore.