Juno News - Is Jagmeet Singh delusional？

00:00:00.000 All right, well, it's my first time hosting the show.

00:00:01.880 We've got William here with us, our Chief Operating Officer,

00:00:06.360 and hopefully he doesn't have a panic attack with anything that I might say

00:00:09.460 that might get us into some trouble here.

00:00:12.060 No, I have absolute confidence in your ability to scale message

00:00:16.620 and our ability to do editing.

00:00:19.200 Perfect. Absolutely right.

00:00:21.300 And Sue Ann, where are you coming into, where are you beaming into for this episode?

00:00:25.940 I'm beaming in from planet Florida, and I am back in Toronto in two weeks,

00:00:31.720 and I have to tell you guys that it has been like a different world down here.

00:00:36.780 God bless Ron DeSantis.

00:00:38.780 He is not allowing any sort of protesting, no free Palestine flags or banners,

00:00:47.180 you know, no blatant acts of anti-Semitism.

00:00:51.000 There are a few masks, although, you know, I've seen people in masks,

00:00:55.440 mostly New Yorkers, I would say.

00:00:58.280 Maybe a few snowbirds as well who brought down their Canadian values to Florida

00:01:03.340 with some masks?

00:01:05.100 Yeah, yeah, but I would say mostly New Yorkers.

00:01:08.240 I want to go up to them and say, 2020 is calling.

00:01:11.080 They want you back.

00:01:13.800 Stand out like a sore thumb, I guess.

00:01:15.760 All right, guys, with that, let's get into it.

00:01:17.160 All right, hello, everyone, and welcome to Off the Record.

00:01:28.320 I am Harrison Faulkner.

00:01:29.680 We are joined by the True North Chief Operating Officer, William Macbeth,

00:01:34.460 and True North Journalist, Sue Ann Levy.

00:01:37.140 Guys, how's everyone's week been?

00:01:39.760 Great.

00:01:41.260 I mean, we had snow here in Calgary earlier today, so I'm definitely envious of Sue Ann right now. 0.92

00:01:47.240 And it's 80-plus here.

00:01:50.420 Unfair.

00:01:51.640 Let's get into this first story right away.

00:01:53.740 It's about Jagmeet Singh, and he has some rather unfounded optimism about his chances in the next

00:02:00.720 upcoming federal election.

00:02:02.440 Take a look at this article that we wrote here.

00:02:05.000 Jagmeet Singh, guys, he genuinely believes that he will win the next federal election.

00:02:12.280 We're going to throw to this clip here, and it kind of explains a little bit of this,

00:02:15.980 as he says, defiant optimism.

00:02:18.720 Take a listen to this.

00:02:19.780 Most of the positive programs enacted by this liberal government

00:02:22.660 only happened because the NDP was holding their feet to the fire. 1.00

00:02:26.000 In the next election, would you consider offering the liberals another power-sharing minority government?

00:02:31.860 I want to say no right away.

00:02:35.000 Because we're going to win the next election.

00:02:37.120 We're going to be the ones.

00:02:38.940 Come on now.

00:02:40.700 Jardikullah.

00:02:44.720 Defiant optimism.

00:02:45.960 I defy the odds.

00:02:47.100 We're going to win because people need us to win.

00:02:49.440 I genuinely mean it.

00:02:51.900 Defiant optimism.

00:02:53.240 He's defiant of the reality, it appears, in this country.

00:02:57.160 William, what do you make of that clip?

00:02:59.280 Yeah, I mean, I know we've legalized marijuana here in Canada.

00:03:02.360 I wonder what else Mr. Singh happens to be on to have such a warped view of reality.

00:03:07.240 If you look at the polling, there isn't a moment where Jagmeet Singh and the New Democrats

00:03:11.860 have approached winning even the slimmest minority government, let alone outright winning an election.

00:03:17.820 This is a guy who has driven NDC support absolutely into the ground.

00:03:21.520 He's abandoned his role as an opposition party to prop up a tired and, frankly, loathed liberal government.

00:03:29.120 And I think when people go to the polls, they're going to send a lot of New Democrats their walking papers.

00:03:33.720 He's not going to win the next election.

00:03:35.400 He had that – oh, we've got another guest on the show, it appears, Sue Ann, who has just joined us on Off the Record here.

00:03:44.060 Monty agrees that Jagmeet Singh is a lost cause.

00:03:50.700 And now people are resigning.

00:03:53.660 Some of his MPs are resigning.

00:03:55.740 His party has become the party of anti-Semites.

00:03:59.280 You've got people who are getting up wearing keffiyehs in the legislature, and you've got people making motions to end the arms distribution to Israel.

00:04:12.060 I mean, could this party do more to drive itself down in the polls?

00:04:19.500 Could this party be loathed more?

00:04:22.680 This is the same Jagmeet Singh who walks around wearing Rolex watches and driving, you know, designer cars and thinks he is the champion of the working people.

00:04:32.640 This guy is so disconnected from reality.

00:04:34.960 It's surreal.

00:04:37.240 He had that pause, right, when he was sitting in his chair, because I think he realized that if he didn't say something about, you know, wanting to actually continue his political career and wanting to win,

00:04:48.260 then it would appear as though he has no use in Ottawa at all.

00:04:51.200 He sits down and he's like, wait, I have to say something.

00:04:54.760 I have to say something about, you know, about our political chances.

00:04:57.400 So we're going to win.

00:04:58.600 You know, we're going to win.

00:04:59.320 Everyone be happy, be optimistic.

00:05:01.220 It seems as though, William, he knows that there is no chance for him.

00:05:05.280 It seems more and more likely, actually, that this agreement with Justin Trudeau was not really about advancing some of these NDP policies,

00:05:13.140 as much as it may have actually been about personally advancing himself and staying in power.

00:05:18.140 Because any election that would have been called without this power sharing agreement would have certainly seen not only his party get defeated,

00:05:24.980 but he potentially would lose his seat.

00:05:27.420 No, I think you're absolutely right.

00:05:29.360 And if you look at what's happened in some other places where we've seen power sharing agreements,

00:05:33.760 the one I'm most familiar with is when David Cameron won a minority election in the UK and formed a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats under Nick Clegg.

00:05:45.580 Well, when the next election actually happened, the Liberal Democrats and Nick Clegg were blasted out of the water.

00:05:50.900 It was really the end of them politically, not just for that election, but up until this time.

00:05:56.400 It's been more than 10 years now, and I think you're going to see the same thing.

00:05:59.360 The Democrats have abandoned the one key thing that they had,

00:06:03.300 which was the ability to extract concessions from the Liberal government in exchange for their support on key votes.

00:06:09.720 And by signing a blank check and saying, we're going to back you no matter what, vote after vote, issue after issue,

00:06:16.480 they really said, we are open to being taken advantage of instead of having a fight for their support on issue by issue.

00:06:23.280 And I think it was a terrible mistake on the part of NDP strategists,

00:06:26.840 and it's going to bite them in the ass in the next election. 0.90

00:06:29.080 Excuse my Western colloquialism.

00:06:33.060 Yeah, he never really got anything out of this, I don't think.

00:06:36.500 He kept talking about, you know, pharma care and dental care,

00:06:40.160 but he himself and his party never really got what they wanted.

00:06:43.200 And every time he's been asked about this agreement,

00:06:46.980 about not getting what he was wanting to get out of it in the first place,

00:06:50.820 he has refused to do anything about it.

00:06:54.260 You're absolutely right.

00:06:55.360 I mean, he could have extracted a lot of concessions from this Liberal government,

00:06:59.840 ones I wouldn't personally have been supportive of ideologically,

00:07:03.340 but I would have at least respected the fact that he represents a constituency of voters

00:07:07.900 who believe strongly in certain things.

00:07:09.760 Instead, what do we have?

00:07:10.580 We have a late, watered-down, incomprehensible dental care strategy

00:07:14.660 that no Canadian fully knows if they're covered by or not.

00:07:17.800 The beginnings of some form of pharma care program,

00:07:21.380 but that has put them in huge conflict with the provinces

00:07:23.400 who say the plan, once again, doesn't take into account

00:07:25.960 the existing situation on the ground.

00:07:28.440 And that's really about it.

00:07:29.640 The only other thing he's extracted, of course, is a later election date,

00:07:32.660 an election being held in 2025,

00:07:34.860 when a not inconsiderable number of MPs will qualify

00:07:38.500 for their generous taxpayer-funded pension plans.

00:07:42.700 Of course.

00:07:43.460 And Sue Ann, you mentioned the NDP's ideological commitment

00:07:47.320 to the Palestine issue and other very strange foreign policy positions.

00:07:52.600 It doesn't even seem as though Jagmeet Singh has set his party up

00:07:55.640 so that left-wing Liberal voters would end up going to his party

00:08:00.140 instead of Justin Trudeau's party in the next election.

00:08:02.940 It seems as though, during the next election,

00:08:04.900 Jagmeet Singh's not going to gain any Liberal voters from Trudeau's party

00:08:09.820 and instead be left with a dwindling base in his own party.

00:08:14.680 Yeah.

00:08:15.240 Well, he's let them down, his party down,

00:08:17.860 with respect to being tough on the anti-Semitic diatribe

00:08:23.520 that goes on in the legislature.

00:08:24.900 Heather McPherson comes to mind, and Charlie Angus, who's resigning.

00:08:31.540 But, you know, the repeated calls by her are to, not just for a ceasefire,

00:08:38.900 but to end the arms deal with Israel is just unconscionable.

00:08:44.540 And he's never said anything, never spoken up.

00:08:47.140 To me, saying nothing is, you know, basically saying everything,

00:08:52.700 that he agrees with it.

00:08:53.700 But he's never kept any of them in line.

00:08:57.340 And the other thing is that you were talking about

00:08:59.900 he hasn't made any sort of tangible deals.

00:09:03.700 Look, the cost of living in Canada, gas prices, this, that,

00:09:08.120 price of food, price of basic services,

00:09:11.600 has gone up tremendously under the Liberals.

00:09:14.360 If he were a champion of the working class, as he's supposed to be, 0.98

00:09:18.360 even though he wears a Rolex watch, you know, he would be standing up and screaming from the rooftops.

00:09:25.620 The only time I actually heard him screaming was to go after Galen Weston at Loblaws,

00:09:31.320 you know, grocery prices, targeting.

00:09:34.540 He's obsessed with that guy.

00:09:36.200 But, you know, overall, he's gone along with everything the Liberals done to make our life more unaffordable.

00:09:43.040 You're absolutely right.

00:09:45.020 I mean, he should be tackling this issue.

00:09:47.580 He should be holding the government to account for the out-of-control cost of living.

00:09:52.040 But, of course, he is and he seems more interested in other things, probably like his pension.

00:09:56.160 Sue Ann, you brought this up about, you brought up the anti-Semitism issue.

00:10:00.020 You recently published a great op-ed in True North.

00:10:02.740 Why don't you go through what we're seeing on campuses and what you're trying to tackle here in this latest True North article of yours?

00:10:09.860 Well, I've been watching with tremendous interest and actually tremendous disdain and disappointment

00:10:17.700 at what has happened on university campuses, both in the States, because I am located in the States right now,

00:10:24.420 and it's, you know, gone into Canada now.

00:10:27.860 It's morphed into Canadian, on Canadian campuses.

00:10:31.500 I've watched these kids who are kids because, for the large part, I would say mommy and daddy are still paying their tuition

00:10:40.320 because who can afford to go to Colombia for $70,000 U.S.?

00:10:45.480 And I've watched them bar Jewish kids from entry onto campus.

00:10:50.540 I've watched them vandalize buildings.

00:10:53.280 I've watched them set up these encampments, very professional-looking encampments.

00:10:58.040 And then, of course, the epitome of all this entitlement is the young lady, a PhD, a leftist PhD, who wanted humanitarian aid. 1.00

00:11:10.260 She wanted food to be delivered to the building at Colombia that they had vandalized.

00:11:14.860 And, you know, the same in, you know, at McGill, they're screaming Jew hatred and nobody's doing anything.

00:11:22.820 So my question the other day is, I'm watching all this, like, where are the parents in all of this?

00:11:28.560 What has happened?

00:11:29.840 Has the nuclear family broken down so much that parents are not either raising their kids right to have any moral compass,

00:11:37.240 to have any boundaries, to have any respect for authority?

00:11:41.780 I mean, I talk about in the column about the fact that politicians have no respect.

00:11:46.920 So, and schools just are, have become cesspools of leftist dogma.

00:11:53.800 So, I mean, what should we expect?

00:11:55.400 But parents have essentially handed their kids over to schools and expected them to parent.

00:12:00.260 And, you know, I'm wondering, I haven't heard any speak out.

00:12:05.260 Are they watching this young lady who's asking for humanitarian aid, you know, DoorDash essentially, to deliver some food to their building?

00:12:14.560 Are they watching this and are they ashamed?

00:12:17.420 Are they embarrassed?

00:12:18.980 Are they the slightest bit angry?

00:12:20.840 I don't understand it.

00:12:23.240 William, what do you make of what we're seeing in the United States and now just recently at U of T?

00:12:28.080 Well, I did have to laugh at the Columbia student protester who demanded that they be delivered food.

00:12:36.800 You know, there's an expression that said the revolution will not be televised.

00:12:40.800 Well, in this case, the revolution will not be catered.

00:12:43.560 And if you were going to occupy a building, maybe you should have thought ahead of time about bringing snacks and drinks from home.

00:12:50.580 But I think Sue Ann makes a great point, which is obviously these kids can wake up one morning in the past couple of weeks and decide to be rabidly pro-Hamas and anti-Semitic.

00:13:03.680 It's a case of this is learned behavior from years of activist teachers, activist professors and activist student groups allowed to present a very distorted picture of reality to these people.

00:13:17.040 And parents who either through inaction or because they didn't want to have a difficult and awkward conversation with their own children allowed this to happen.

00:13:27.640 And I don't think it's a coincidence that we're now seeing a rise of parental rights movements in Canada, in the United States and elsewhere saying we're deeply concerned about what our kids are being taught or indoctrinated with in schools.

00:13:40.680 The propaganda they're being fed because, frankly, they're turning into people we don't recognize, you know, I'm sure that these kids all had loving parents and or parents who thought they were doing the best by their kids.

00:13:54.400 But in reality, they've allowed their kids to become brainwashed.

00:13:57.060 And it's deeply disturbing to see the consequence, of course, being now so many Jewish students feel unwelcome and unsafe on university campuses, which is completely unacceptable.

00:14:08.320 And I think it's why there are various moves now to try and address this situation, because it's becoming untenable.

00:14:16.320 Certainly anyone who has witnessed these protests cannot say they're simply protests in solidarity with the Palestinian people.

00:14:24.720 The rhetoric being used is hateful, violent and fully anti-Semitic.

00:14:30.560 And I think people have said enough is enough. We cannot allow this to continue.

00:14:34.280 Yeah, I mean, there's that there's that, you know, it's not a story necessarily, but people have talked about this, that, you know, you send your kid off to university and they're totally normal.

00:14:43.920 They come back with totally different color hair and they've got some strange gender that doesn't really exist anywhere.

00:14:49.120 Right. That happens. People do get indoctrinated at these schools and it is a big issue.

00:14:54.280 I think there's also a point to make here about how universities, you know, there has always been a tradition of protest and activism, anti-war protests and activism at universities for decades in the United States and in Canada.

00:15:08.900 But there is something different about these protests.

00:15:11.120 It's not the same as the anti-apartheid protests that were happening in the 80s on university campuses.

00:15:16.920 There's something different here and there's something fundamentally wrong about what they're fighting for.

00:15:21.360 They have their facts wrong. But as you point out, as you both have pointed out, it's being fed by professors and by media who are leading them down this path that is not righteous, like the anti-apartheid protests and perhaps the anti-war protests in Vietnam.

00:15:38.800 It's completely different than what we've seen in the past.

00:15:42.420 Well, and if you go up to any of these young ladies and I saw a wonderful clip on I think it was on Twitter or on X, I should say, where these young ladies were asked, what are you doing here?

00:15:57.580 Oh, I don't know. I just thought I'd come down and join the fun.

00:16:02.000 And they don't know what the heck they're protesting about.

00:16:07.160 They don't know what from the river to the sea means.

00:16:09.960 They don't even know where Rafa is or Palestine.

00:16:13.240 They couldn't point it out in a map if you asked them.

00:16:16.600 And they're semi-articulate.

00:16:18.640 And the other thing that I didn't mention before is that it's probably exam time is finished in Canada, but certainly in the States, they're going through exams.

00:16:29.380 And do the parents not care that their kids are finishing the term or, you know, instead of sitting out in tents, shouldn't they be writing their exams?

00:16:39.840 And the whole thing about not allowing Jewish students into the university, that's outrageous, absolutely outrageous.

00:16:48.500 And parents watching this, I'm watching it on TV.

00:16:51.520 I'm outraged.

00:16:53.080 Parents watching this, they're thinking, my little darling's doing this.

00:16:57.460 Maybe they don't care.

00:16:58.620 Maybe they're afraid of their little darling.

00:17:00.300 I don't know.

00:17:02.940 Yeah, William, what do you make of those comments?

00:17:06.240 Well, I think it'd be an interesting exercise to go onto these campus protests and ask them to identify what the name of the river is and what the name of the sea is.

00:17:16.780 And maybe as a precursor to having a position on this conflict, you should have to be able to answer some basic questions about it.

00:17:23.260 I bet we'd find a lot of them wouldn't be able to articulate either of those things.

00:17:27.360 But, no, I completely agree with Sue Ann's point that if you're a Jewish student who's paid for these classes and who wants to get an elite post-secondary education, and now you're being denied the right to enter your buildings or move certain places on campus, it's completely unacceptable.

00:17:44.540 Protest movements are protected.

00:17:46.940 But your rights infringing on other people's rights have to come up against some reasonable limits.

00:17:52.680 And I think in the case of these protests, when you see them occupying buildings, committing acts of violence, calling for hatred and violence against different groups and religions, I think all of that combined means they've crossed that line beyond legitimate, peaceful protesting into something far darker and far more disturbing.

00:18:10.360 Right. And the federal government has, in Canada, they've displayed a willingness to treat protests differently depending on the cause that is being protested.

00:18:19.200 Of course, we've seen protests just remove the university protests, these pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine protests, remove that from the university.

00:18:27.400 Let's talk about the protests outside of the synagogues, outside of religious places of worship.

00:18:32.660 Well, that was treated a completely different way than a peaceful protest in Ottawa over vaccine mandates.

00:18:41.340 That's one point I want to raise.

00:18:42.460 Another point I want to raise, going back to the tradition of protests at universities, in these protests in the past, in decades past,

00:18:51.000 I don't think the majority of people involved in these protests were trying to cover their faces, wearing masks and masking their identity.

00:18:58.400 It seems, Sue Ann, that you talk about how parents might be ashamed of seeing their children involved in these protests.

00:19:04.860 Maybe some of these people, they don't want to be seen in the protests themselves, but they want to be a part of the movement.

00:19:09.420 They're maybe afraid to show their own identity for a cause they apparently seem so worthy to stand up for.

00:19:16.580 Definitely. I think, you know, let's talk about Toronto and the rules around not masking yourself at protests.

00:19:27.140 Well, that doesn't seem to have been upheld.

00:19:31.160 So we still have them wearing these masks and the keffias rocked around their heads. 1.00

00:19:37.420 And, you know, they either they're ashamed or they think that if they don't, if they cover their faces, they won't be arrested because they can't be identified.

00:19:46.420 But let's just say they're fooling themselves.

00:19:49.620 Yeah, I don't want to open this aspect up just to a broader conversation.

00:19:55.580 It's in the news now and there have been Canadian conservative commentators and American conservative commentators talking about this.

00:20:01.740 United States, they just passed a piece of legislation which tackles anti-Semitism.

00:20:06.480 Now, a lot of people are saying that instead of instead of enforcing the laws that are already on the books to clear out these protests,

00:20:14.240 the government has now moved to actually tighten free speech rules around ability to criticize Israel, for example.

00:20:22.100 I want to get your opinions, both of you, on just the idea of adding in new legislation to combat anti-Semitism rather than just clearing out the protests with the additional laws in place.

00:20:34.740 William, why don't I start with you?

00:20:37.280 I mean, I think everybody has to be extremely careful when we start passing laws that further limit any of our fundamental freedoms.

00:20:46.580 I think what we're seeing in the case of the United States is a reaction to the apparent failure of institutions, of law enforcement, of universities to actually do something meaningful about these protests.

00:21:00.300 They're looking at these protesters getting away with everything they have been and saying, well, look, we don't think this is acceptable.

00:21:07.980 We want to strengthen the toolbox in order to be able to take more direct action on it.

00:21:12.620 I think there is a lot of risk when you start to say certain things fall under that restricted category or you take away fundamental freedoms of speech or assembly.

00:21:23.820 But I think it just reflects the desperation.

00:21:27.020 So many feel in saying, why can't we do something about this?

00:21:29.780 Why can't we clear out some of these encampments?

00:21:33.000 Why can't we stop people from making violent and hateful statements?

00:21:37.040 Why can't we arrest people for breaking the law?

00:21:41.000 So, you know, you're seeing those two forces come up against each other, a desire to have freedom of speech, freedom of protest, freedom of assembly and saying, but also we've crossed the line into far darker things and we need to take fundamental action against them.

00:21:53.040 So, Sue Ann, what do you think about this, this combating between existing laws and wanting to add more laws into place?

00:22:02.200 Well, I agree with William.

00:22:04.260 It's all a result of not handling the laws they have right now.

00:22:09.900 I'll give you an example.

00:22:11.080 In Toronto, for years and years and years, I've covered the Al-Quds protest. 0.98

00:22:15.320 That is virulently anti-Semitic.

00:22:17.980 They march down the streets of Toronto illegally.

00:22:21.100 They don't have a permit.

00:22:22.280 They're screaming, basically, death to Jews. 0.98

00:22:25.740 We have hate laws in Canada.

00:22:28.020 All the politicians have talked about clamping down on them, but they don't arrest them.

00:22:32.720 They don't invoke the hate laws.

00:22:34.820 I think the police have a really hard time understanding the hate laws and how to use them.

00:22:40.220 And I don't blame them entirely because the politicians send them mixed messages.

00:22:43.800 So, I mean, putting more legislation in place really, to me, is just smoke and mirrors.

00:22:50.240 Use the laws you have now.

00:22:53.460 Columbia is a perfect example.

00:22:55.140 They took two hours to clear out that encampment once they brought the police in.

00:23:01.200 Two hours.

00:23:02.040 These tough-talking kids, you know, fell like jello.

00:23:06.200 Their spines melted like jello.

00:23:08.560 They, you know, and for two weeks, they were threatening.

00:23:13.140 For two weeks, they were causing chaos and mayhem.

00:23:15.680 And I'm a believer of tough love, but our whole society has become like spines of jello.

00:23:23.120 We don't deal with crime.

00:23:26.600 We don't deal with drug dealing.

00:23:29.200 We don't deal with all the things that make our society, give us a quality of life.

00:23:35.220 And this is just another example of not invoking the laws they already have and using a little tough love.

00:23:43.000 I mean, like that president of Columbia, what is wrong with her? 0.86

00:23:47.040 She was so afraid to get rid of these people, even though it was playing out on the screens of all our televisions.

00:23:55.480 And it was making that Ivy League school look terrible.

00:24:01.680 Right.

00:24:02.340 And I wish there was a good transition for this, but there really isn't.

00:24:06.460 We have to move on to our next story here.

00:24:08.340 And for whatever reason, the liberals and the legacy media have refused to let go of this story, this Diagilon story, trying to somehow paint Pierre Pauly of the Conservative Party as though they're secretly collaborating with the dangerous far right.

00:24:24.160 Let's throw up another article about this story if we have it.

00:24:27.760 And if we there we go.

00:24:28.780 So Jeremy McKenzie, who we spoke about on this show last week, he, of course, is credited as being the founder of Diagilon.

00:24:36.240 In reality, Diagilon is not even actually a group.

00:24:39.700 We know that from the HateGate reporting, they don't meet the definition of a group, let alone a dangerous far right militia, as some have tried to paint them as.

00:24:49.280 But that has been the line from Anti-Hate Network.

00:24:52.380 He went on.

00:24:53.080 This story hasn't gone away.

00:24:54.020 And so he actually went on, I think it was with Viva Frye, and he released a statement saying that he is not connected with the Conservative Party.

00:25:03.460 He is not connected with Pierre Pauly of.

00:25:06.040 In fact, anyone who follows the rhetoric of the group and the people that watch Jeremy McKenzie know that he is by no means a fan of Pierre Pauly of.

00:25:14.040 In fact, it seems as though they seem to attack Pierre Pauly of as much, if not more, than they attack Justin Trudeau.

00:25:19.840 But, of course, that has not stopped the Liberals and the media from staying on this story relentlessly.

00:25:25.560 They seem desperate, William, to do whatever they can to try to paint Pierre Pauly of as someone he is clearly not.

00:25:32.420 You know, you're absolutely right.

00:25:34.280 And as far as I can tell, Diagilon is like three people.

00:25:38.080 It's three people who are very unhappy about a lot of different things.

00:25:42.340 And they seem equally as unhappy about Pierre Pauly of as they do about Justin Trudeau.

00:25:48.040 So why the Liberals seem to think that this three person, this trio of malcontents, is somehow a fundamental threat to our civilization, well, they're going to have to explain it to me again. 0.79

00:26:00.300 I don't understand.

00:26:00.980 I would say what it's showing is, frankly, the desperation on the part of the Liberal government.

00:26:06.940 They put all of their effort into this 2024 budget, into the affordability and housing announcements that they touted for weeks leading up to the budget,

00:26:17.420 and should be right now doing a full court press selling to Canadians how their lives would be better off with this Liberal budget and therefore under the Liberal government.

00:26:28.320 The fact that they're not shows just how much of a flaw this budget has been for them.

00:26:34.280 And so now they're reverting to type.

00:26:36.300 Desperate accusations from Pierre Pauly of as using the term wacko is the end of parliamentary democracy to Diagilon is a secret Pierre Pauly of as militia that's going to destroy Canada. 0.76

00:26:50.360 I haven't checked Twitter or X lately.

00:26:52.780 Maybe there's a new one.

00:26:54.140 But it's absurd.

00:26:55.120 And I think the fact that they aren't even denting Pierre's popularity reflects just how much Canadians have tuned out the Liberal government and Prime Minister Trudeau.

00:27:04.980 Suhan, what do you make of these desperate attempts, these desperate attacks against Pierre Pauly of?

00:27:10.400 Well, the polls say everything.

00:27:13.480 Pierre Pauly of is way up in the polls.

00:27:16.040 Desperate times call for desperate measures.

00:27:18.040 But it's actually quite funny because, you know, the last six months, for example, have not been kind to Justin Trudeau.

00:27:27.220 People are seeing through.

00:27:29.040 He did not.

00:27:29.580 He's not handled the Palestinian-Israeli conflict issue, the rise in anti-Semitism.

00:27:35.600 He said they were all peaceful protesters, drug issues.

00:27:39.260 Now we have premiers saying that there's been a huge, like they don't agree with safe injection sites.

00:27:47.080 And this is all coming back to haunt him.

00:27:50.260 And, you know, they, you know, the expression, if you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, you hope it will stick.

00:27:56.040 But nothing's sticking.

00:27:57.340 It's very greasy spaghetti.

00:27:58.720 So it keeps falling off the wall.

00:28:01.420 And I think we're going to see a lot more of this.

00:28:04.260 But it's just, it's, you know, kindergarten time, the way they talk.

00:28:09.820 I mean, the whole thing about throwing Pierre Pauly of out of parliament the other day was just, I mean, they're like little children.

00:28:19.160 Yeah.

00:28:19.720 I mean, this is part of a series of attacks they've tried to make work against Pierre Pauly of.

00:28:25.180 Obviously, none of it has worked.

00:28:26.560 Why don't we throw up the polling that our colleague, Cosmin Georgia, was able to pull from.

00:28:32.380 Basically, it's actually been following for since 2022, since June of 2022.

00:28:36.900 At the end here, you can see that this, from April 29th to the 24th, Pauly of polling has actually increased.

00:28:45.120 And these diagonal smears against Pauly of and the conservatives began right at that time.

00:28:50.420 So none of this is actually working for them.

00:28:53.140 And there's a couple of things going on here, which I find very interesting.

00:28:55.980 I made this point in my show that we released yesterday about how these attempts by the liberals to make Diaglons seem bigger and scarier and more important than they actually are, only really serve to do two things.

00:29:08.580 One, it actually will get more attention to a group they supposedly feel as though is some dangerous right-wing militia.

00:29:15.260 People are going to actually see this and look into it.

00:29:18.360 The other thing that I think is going on here is that they want Diaglons to be a bigger force than it is because they want to have the weapon to attack conservatives with. 0.98

00:29:27.900 They need to have their Canadian version of the Proud Boys, which they can use to silence conservatives and silence conservatives into submission.

00:29:36.300 It benefits them.

00:29:37.700 And I don't think it's going to work for them.

00:29:38.920 But they're obviously, in my opinion, trying to do that.

00:29:41.640 They're trying to create something out of nothing here and create something that they can use for many years to attack conservatives over.

00:29:49.020 Let me know, William, as someone who's worked in this industry and inside politics, if you think that I'm on to something here, if you think I'm a little off.

00:29:57.340 No.

00:29:57.900 I mean, they're trying to change the channel away from their own dismal performance and their own low popularity.

00:30:04.760 The problem is what they're trying to change the channel to is just so unconvincing.

00:30:09.460 You know, the idea that this Diaglons group is anything other than a small group of, you know, some would say crackpots, others would say malcontents, the grumpy people who they are, poses some sort of threat to Canada is absolutely ludicrous. 1.00

00:30:27.240 In the same way that, you know, when Alex Jones says he likes Pierre Polliver, suddenly that represents some sort of fundamental threat to Canada.

00:30:37.060 And I'll bet you most of the people in Canada would have to Google who Alex Jones is to have any idea of what the Liberals are talking about.

00:30:45.660 These are symptoms of a government that doesn't have a policy agenda that can deal with the issues and with the concerns that ordinary Canadians have.

00:30:56.340 They're offside on so many things, things like the carbon tax, which is widely unpopular.

00:31:00.860 They're, you know, they're soft on crime, soft on drug addiction agenda, which is really out of step with Canadians, especially those in cities and smaller towns.

00:31:12.400 And so instead of trying to present policy ideas, they're down to this.

00:31:15.580 They're throwing the muck.

00:31:16.860 And the muck they have is just so unconvincing that I don't think you're going to see any movement in the polls except for an increase in Conservative support and an ongoing decrease in Liberal.

00:31:26.420 And this is despite the attempts by the trained media seals who, you know, speak up and make the most ludicrous comments.

00:31:39.180 I could think of a few names, but I won't, you know, single out anybody.

00:31:42.680 But, you know, that panel with Rosie Barton, they're just, it's just ridiculous that they go on and on and on.

00:31:52.080 And it's, people are tuning out this sort of thing.

00:31:55.080 They, they just, they know that Justin Trudeau is, is bailing these people out and they know that the CBC is, you know, over, over granted, getting too much money.

00:32:07.520 And, and they just don't believe these kinds of things anymore.

00:32:11.320 The average person, I should say.

00:32:13.960 I almost feel bad for the talking heads on the CBC who have to go with these Liberal policy communications tactics.

00:32:20.580 They just, it must, it must be, it must be so difficult to try to make it, make news out of nothing like that.

00:32:26.940 All right, everyone.

00:32:27.780 Well, just remember, everything you heard was off the record.

00:32:39.740 Well, a few hiccups in the, in the hosting of the show, but I think we managed to make through, make it through.

00:32:45.080 No, I think you did.

00:32:45.900 I think you did really well, actually.

00:32:47.120 You did great.

00:32:48.120 You did great.

00:32:48.820 And Monty agrees.

00:32:51.240 He's come back to see how we finished.

00:32:53.980 So.

00:32:54.220 Oh, we could have given him the last word as a matter of fact.

00:32:57.120 He's a valid conservative dachshund.

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Is Jagmeet Singh delusional？

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