Juno News - November 05, 2022


It's becoming clear the Emergencies Act was not justified


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In this episode, Peter and Rachael discuss the collapse of the official narrative on the events of October 19th, 2015. They discuss the role of the media in shaping the narrative, and what it means for our understanding of the events that day.

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00:00:00.000 This is a final question to you. You know, you touched upon, towards the end, you touched upon
00:00:06.520 the official narrative, so to speak. Where do you see that today? What is the state of this
00:00:13.120 official narrative today based on what we've heard so far from the public inquiry?
00:00:19.980 In terms of where I think it's going, where I think it is, just help me understand so I answer
00:00:24.220 your question better. In terms of where it is today, given that the official narrative, at least in
00:00:31.020 large sections of the legacy media, was very, very anti-protest and that they were a bunch of violent
00:00:37.480 insurrectionists and they were basically towing the government line on the narrative on the
00:00:46.420 protests. But, you know, you mentioned Pat Morris. Pat Morris basically, you know, discredited this
00:00:54.200 narrative last week when he gave his testimony. So I'm just wondering where this, I feel like that
00:01:02.320 the official narrative is crumbling bit by bit. And, and I suspect it's just going to get worse
00:01:08.980 for that narrative going forward. And I wonder if you share that view.
00:01:14.240 My prediction, and up until now, is you're right again, and I'm glad we talked about Morris.
00:01:19.360 For people who are watching us, and I hope people are watching us, for people who are watching us,
00:01:25.720 when we're done, because you can't leave until Rupa and I are done, you really should go find
00:01:30.880 Pat Morris's testimony. It's really worth watching. I know it's not exciting. I know it's not a shiny new
00:01:38.740 object. But if you're really a person of deep conscience in this country, go find the clips of
00:01:45.040 him answering those questions. To your question of where it's going. I think it is crumbling.
00:01:51.240 I never thought it was that strong to start with Rupa. So I think we're starting with sort of a
00:01:56.260 straw man or a glass house. Okay. So I have to say, I never thought it had constitutional or
00:02:02.880 foundational footing. If it did, the narrative would have been much clearer. Not this Jenga mix of
00:02:10.360 building blocks and Legos that don't match. And Peter can't speak to Paul and the right hand doesn't
00:02:16.360 speak to the left. Remember, we're talking about an extraordinary act. We are not talking about
00:02:23.820 something that, you know, every four or five years comes to play, or something that every 10 or 15
00:02:29.060 years, somebody so annoying that we have to invoke this document. Okay. We're not talking about that.
00:02:35.100 We're talking about something that was meant to be as rare as the dodo bird. And if something as rare
00:02:41.300 as the dodo bird or the proverbial unicorn descended on Ottawa, just Ottawa on that day, where all sorts
00:02:48.820 of police officers, we don't need the act. We've got what we need. Yeah. There wasn't unanimous
00:02:53.820 agreement, which is why Ford's testimony is desired. Did Ford think this was an emergency or was he
00:02:59.740 enjoying his heated snowmobile? I'm being facetious. But I never thought that this was that strong. So
00:03:05.420 I think it will continue on the path it is. I think you'll see more of an attempt to smear.
00:03:12.180 As it gets worse for the narrative, you'll see more of an attempt to smear the protesters.
00:03:17.400 To your point about media, how does the narrative get out that convoy is bad, or that vaccine mandates
00:03:24.820 are good, or that Pfizer and Moderna are heroes, unless it's on the six o'clock mainstream news
00:03:31.240 or the front page of the Globe and Mail. I did a whole piece last week. Again, I'm not going to get
00:03:36.760 into it. People can find it if they want. I'm not going to plug it about whatever happened to
00:03:40.820 investigative journalism, where the whole idea of the press was to push back against power. The whole
00:03:48.060 idea of the Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star was to push back against power and the elites and the
00:03:56.480 ivory tower. Now, in many ways, shapes and forms, they are the spokespeople with a quid pro quo to the
00:04:05.440 people in power. That bothers me. I'm not knocking it. I do a lot of work in that area. I think the people
00:04:10.320 are incredible. But what would happen if the people said, look, we're not going to lose ad revenue
00:04:16.800 if we challenge some of this. We're not going to lose ad revenue if we're not in lockstep
00:04:22.600 with everything Justin Trudeau tells us to do. We're not going to lose ad revenue. We're already
00:04:28.660 hemorrhaging ad revenue. We don't need to be in lockstep or spokespeople as if it's the press
00:04:34.800 gallery. So to your point about the media, that to me, we've lost that in the last 10 or 15 years
00:04:41.320 with the loss of local journalism, everything moving to Twitter. I hate Twitter, full disclosure,
00:04:46.020 anti-social media. I never call it social. It's the opposite of that. Twitter, as your colleague
00:04:51.940 Barry Weiss says, and I know you think as highly of her as I do, is the masthead of the New York
00:04:57.120 Times. If we just got rid of the insanity, which is also called wokeness, we wouldn't be in this
00:05:03.720 point of view. Here's the end of my answer to your question, the denouement, if you will. As bad as I
00:05:10.680 think the narrative is, the fact that it's crumbling or mixed, maybe I'll say mixed to be 0.96
00:05:15.800 fair, I wouldn't be shocked if Justin Trudeau turns it around. I don't think he would be as prepared,
00:05:23.900 even though he was going to testify and should and all that. And I give him credit for this. I'm not
00:05:27.880 a fan of his policies. I am a fan of his hair. I continue to be jealous of it. But the point of it
00:05:33.300 is, I think he, if anybody can do it, I think people have such low expectations of his testimony
00:05:42.460 that if anybody can turn the narrative of the previous weeks on its side, it may be him. I may
00:05:48.560 be wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm going to be happy to be wrong. But I think that's the moment where I think
00:05:55.360 the people following this will have their expectations affected.
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