Juno News - John A Macdonald gets memory-holed

00:00:00.000 have you recovered from your uh protest injury harrison oh yes yes i recovered they they didn't

00:00:05.840 get they didn't get sam and i as much as they i think they were hoping to but uh you know like

00:00:11.680 that's just that's just how they that's just how they do things right antifa they have the black

00:00:15.760 umbrella it's the symbol of antifa's antifa's presence these days what i've noticed is they

00:00:21.760 all they always try to cover you up and then whatever they want to do afterwards they can

00:00:26.880 basically have free reign once you're out of once you're out of the camera they put the umbrella over

00:00:31.440 top they try to cover the camera up it's absurd really but i think even what's more absurd is

00:00:38.000 that these palestinian protesters who have been protesting for two months protesting a genocide

00:00:44.080 capitulated on the day that they were actually going to be cleared out they couldn't even stand

00:00:48.000 their ground uh i found that to be remarkably uh cowardly if you ask me so my takeaway from this

00:00:53.600 is that if i'm ever at a protest and the black umbrella comes out that's my cue that i'm in

00:00:58.160 trouble things are about to get bad yes if you're fair enough beware that beware the umbrella all

00:01:04.640 right let's get this going hello and welcome to you all this is another edition of off the record where

00:01:17.760 we kick back in a casual setting and analyze the week that well i don't know if analyze is too

00:01:23.280 serious a word we just kick back and dish about it uh hope you are settled in and ready for the ride

00:01:28.800 the last few weeks have been tremendous train wrecks but we've had fun on the train wreck this time

00:01:32.640 we've got a crack crew of professionals we'll uh try to keep the train on the rails but if not it'll be

00:01:37.360 more fun so whatever happens happens que sera sera uh it is my privilege to be hosting this show i'm

00:01:43.440 andrew lawton joined by harrison faulkner host of ratioed and the faulkner show and rachel emmanuel

00:01:49.600 host of alberta roundup and a no rachel parker i did it ah okay rachel parker and we congratulate

00:01:56.800 her very much on this tremendous milestone uh host of rachel and the republic which just launched on

00:02:02.320 true north last week as well but uh good to have you both thanks for the judgmental head shake rachel

00:02:06.880 anytime i'm always here for some judgment fair enough uh so we'll uh we have lots going on this

00:02:14.800 week we're gonna i think go around the world but uh tell me about the new show how's that going for

00:02:19.200 you so far yeah it's great so for our audience i will be covering the uh america to american election

00:02:25.440 in the coming weeks uh the show is called rachel in the republic so that will be released every

00:02:29.760 wednesdays i was typically doing two episodes of the alberta roundup so we're gonna take a pause from

00:02:33.760 that for the time being but yeah i mean there's no shortage of things it's actually a totally

00:02:38.320 different ballpark covering american politics because it's like you're receiving major updates

00:02:42.880 almost hourly and so i feel like it's just totally different than what i'm used to and i'm gonna have

00:02:47.520 to kind of play around with it i think the news is stale much quicker than it is for my typical show

00:02:52.640 um and it's also just obviously much more competitive field there's so many people covering american

00:02:56.800 politics but it's a ton of fun i think this is going to be one of the most exciting elections ever

00:03:01.840 i will be going to the states to be doing some on the ground coverage so yeah i'm really excited

00:03:06.240 about the the coming weeks nice we should we should have gotten you to do a uk election show harrison

00:03:11.040 like i don't know harrison and the motherland or something uh oh you know i would have been up you

00:03:15.120 know i would have been up for that andrew i was uh i i have to say it it did cross my mind to pitch

00:03:20.640 that a few months ago but uh never got around to it but it would have been fun well we'll uh we'll get

00:03:26.640 it out of your system this episode we'll do some uk election breakdown in just a little while but

00:03:30.800 we'll start with canada we are a canadian show uh this is every canadian of a certain age knows the

00:03:37.360 heritage minute like they still make them but i don't think they have the cultural relevance

00:03:41.520 that they used to these things are produced by an organization which used to be on the front lines of

00:03:46.000 uh preserving and documenting and communicating canadian history historica canada uh they and you

00:03:51.680 can't talk about canada's history without talking about canada's founding confederation john

00:03:56.080 a mcdonald a great period of time and this was memorialized in well maybe commemorated is the

00:04:02.720 better word in one heritage minute that i want to share for you right now careful careful that

00:04:09.520 champagne cost a fortune mr mcdonald do you plan to bribe the entire delegation our methods may differ

00:04:15.760 mr brown but our objective is the same my objective sir is honest talk and mine is to win gentlemen

00:04:21.680 enough we must convince the maritimes or there will be no confederation aye george today civil war

00:04:28.400 grips america how long before they look to our borders again separated the colonies are isolated

00:04:33.680 and weak but united just imagine the east the atlantic provinces then upper and lower canada across the

00:04:41.680 prairies to the rockies and beyond a new country made one by a railway from sea to sea gentlemen the time

00:04:49.200 for union is now i ask you to take the dare

00:04:57.040 the charlatan conference set confederation in motion on july 1st 1867 sir john a mcdonald became

00:05:04.400 canada's first prime minister

00:05:09.440 that's hate speech got to get rid of that uh believe it or not historica canada has deleted

00:05:14.960 that they've removed it from youtube quite quietly uh our colleague cosmon georgia reached out to them

00:05:20.720 and asked why and they gave a long long long answer which we're very grateful for uh but in this answer

00:05:28.320 they said that it was because they got quote feedback from educators unquote about his quote

00:05:36.240 controversial unquote legacy and subsequent controversies and uh they said that this was

00:05:42.480 produced in 2015 it was before they learned about how he was a big you know haiti haiti white supremacist

00:05:48.240 neo-nazi hate monger that john a mcdonald or whatever it was uh they said that there has been lots of

00:05:53.120 discussion about canada's history and the context of it and mcdonald's so-called treatment of indigenous

00:05:59.840 peoples which uh hadn't been entertained in 2015 now what's interesting is that this was not even a

00:06:06.720 particularly laudatory piece about mcdonald it was 60 seconds it was the story of confederation

00:06:14.000 but now it's been taken offline as they come up with a way to better they view position his legacy

00:06:20.240 and all of these controversies now i'm not even going to ask a question on this i'm just going

00:06:24.800 to say harrison go you know what the problem with this clip is in the eyes of these radical left-wing

00:06:32.240 educators that's the name that historical canada gave to true north when we asked what exactly was

00:06:36.960 going on here the problem with it is that it actually paints confederation in a positive and

00:06:42.960 unifying light right they don't want you to think that this country is built on something other than

00:06:48.880 racism colonialism they'll even throw in slavery because that's we we know they've actually they

00:06:54.160 actually believed that they said that at the opening of bellevue house johnny mcdonald's

00:06:58.240 monument that somehow canada is steeped in slavery which of course it is not it's just a lie everything

00:07:05.440 about what these people are trying to do all comes back to this one core idea that we need to

00:07:11.440 delegitimize canada itself we need to strike at the core of what this country is we need to tear down

00:07:16.320 all of our monuments no matter what no matter no matter what it what it takes we'll lie about about

00:07:22.240 historical will lie about historical figures we'll attack every single person oh sorry you'd frozen

00:07:29.120 there for a minute but i think we got you back i'm back i'm back here but uh yeah historically canada

00:07:33.920 was taking you offline too exactly now they're coming after us it was only a matter of time right

00:07:39.280 but no it's just absurd they have to attack every single historical person who has been involved in

00:07:44.960 in the creation of this country so they can lie about our creation they can lie about this country and 0.91

00:07:49.520 say that actually none of it is legitimate it was all built on racism well what's your take on this

00:07:54.880 rachel listen this might ruffle ruffle some feathers uh harrison but uh you know it's just funny to me

00:08:01.280 watching this video the music they're portraying of hope and optimism poor alberta if only we knew

00:08:07.040 what we were getting ourselves into the mess that canada would become the raw deal that we would be

00:08:11.600 getting from the federal government we could have just stayed our own separate colony but our own country

00:08:16.560 had our own energy had our own wealth you know here we are years later i think a lot of us are

00:08:21.040 regretting what colonial what confederation has become and uh hoping we can still turn things

00:08:25.360 around but uh very different perspective you know maybe we should be taking a look at the context of

00:08:29.520 canada and think uh we've gone down a bad path hopefully it's not too late to sort things out and to

00:08:35.680 to get back on track well you guys didn't join for like another 50 years after that though we were

00:08:41.040 enjoying our wealth for a little longer you know we should have we should have just kind of continued

00:08:45.120 down that path before we decided to start splitting up the share of our energy resources

00:08:49.520 with the rest of canada yeah i mean look there are lots of things that you can talk about in a

00:08:54.720 canadian context and disagree with them certainly the west has you know its fair share of grievances

00:08:59.200 some of which are i think legitimate but the story of confederation was also a tremendous one if you

00:09:04.640 looked at what he had to do like we think you know polarization is an issue now at the time it was

00:09:11.840 as bad if not worse you had all of these different colonies that had their own agendas you had

00:09:16.640 all of these different uh disparate groups you had the tories and the grits in uh you know canada

00:09:22.240 east and canada west you had french english divides you had all of this and and you had a

00:09:27.600 geography that was incredibly incredibly hostile to anything resembling a national government so i when

00:09:35.520 i mean i i would say that you know that actually didn't even go far enough to give credit to uh

00:09:41.120 mcdonald and the founding fathers but to say it's something that needs to be memory hold because of

00:09:45.280 these so-called controversies is absurd well they try to make mcdonald of course they use the they use

00:09:50.560 the usual attacks against mcdonald the first line being about champagne and booze again trying to just

00:09:56.000 make him i i don't think that's unfair i like no i'm not i'm not saying i'm not i'm not saying it

00:10:02.640 is unfair that is part of the story but it should be a small part of the story it's the first line

00:10:07.840 as you point out andrew it's not as though they make mcdonald out to be uh the the hero that he

00:10:12.880 really is of course they put him at the center of the story of confederation which is true but again

00:10:18.560 they just have to tear it down they have to delete it because apparently to some it glorifies

00:10:25.280 racism it glorifies colonialism obviously i i disagree with rachel and i think that uh i think

00:10:31.600 that of course canada is what makes canada canada is that it it encompasses the prairies it encompasses

00:10:38.480 quebec it encompasses the maritimes that's what makes us such a special country uh but again these

00:10:44.400 people need to be exposed the people that the people that are involved in historical canada should

00:10:48.160 be ashamed of themselves this is yet another example of the fact that in justin truos canada

00:10:53.040 celebrating mcdonald is strictly forbidden behavior just to jump in on that rachel i don't know if it's

00:10:58.880 fair to blame mcdonald for the west's woes because remember he was the guy that wanted the west connected

00:11:03.360 to the east he was the guy that pushed for the transcontinental railway so what say you to that

00:11:08.240 i'm not blaming mcdonald for the western woes i'm just saying that if we look at the history of canada

00:11:12.320 it seems like you know you were saying oh this was such a monumental feat and i agree with harrison that

00:11:16.800 it's shameful what historically canada has done when we're actually talking about whether this is a

00:11:20.640 historical moment worth recognizing of course it was my point was simply that so much has gone

00:11:26.480 wrong since then and when you andrew are talking about you know the colonies the different the

00:11:30.480 different territories and provinces they were all very skeptical of the federal government they all

00:11:34.400 had their own interests i think we actually need to get back to a bit more of that i wish there was

00:11:38.960 more skepticism of the federal government i wish that the provinces had more authority to implement

00:11:43.600 their own agenda without constant interference from the federal government here in alberta the

00:11:48.240 ottawa telling us we can't build roads if they're highways if they're if they're too big of highways

00:11:54.000 we have to get approval now from ottawa from that so we look at what confederations can we look at what

00:11:58.080 the federal government has done to our provinces and the way that it bootstrapped us that is my point

00:12:02.240 the criticism lies within that of course you know ridiculous that we can't talk about this historical

00:12:06.640 moments without needing to have so-called educators come in and um and just do away with monumental

00:12:12.880 things that past historical figures have done but i think there's also a conversation to be had

00:12:17.280 there about what we've become as canada and what the federal government has become and the way that

00:12:21.760 they just have so much control over our individual lives and over provincial autonomy but i don't

00:12:27.280 think you can have that conversation if you aren't able to have an honest discussion about your history

00:12:31.680 as a country i think that's the the problem here is that i i mean look i would love for the west to

00:12:35.680 tell its own history in the west to tell its own stories and and do that but if we can't have those

00:12:40.000 discussions there's no like it's that that's why we end up in such this such a mess i think

00:12:45.760 yeah i would agree with you i don't have a problem with having that discussion that was

00:12:48.880 just simply the point that i was making i think we've really gone awry and i think that uh you

00:12:53.840 know it's it's a shame what we've as people have allowed it really you know the fault is honestly

00:12:58.800 with the apathy largely of the canadian people who continue to vote in these governments that have

00:13:04.000 ceded so much control from us over our lives and we vote them in time and time again harrison i'll give

00:13:09.520 you the last word on this one well where to begin i don't think anyone was uh i don't think anyone was

00:13:15.680 having that kind of take when the conservatives were in charge and if that's the case then maybe

00:13:21.200 there is something to be said about that but it obviously comes down to a disagreement with the

00:13:24.560 federal liberal government i don't think the people in alberta agree with this take that alberta should

00:13:31.360 be its own should be should be separated from confederation i think if you put it to a

00:13:35.440 put it to a referendum it would be a shocking decision a decisive victory to remain in this

00:13:40.880 country so i mean i think i think we obviously found a disagreement here but i say you know what

00:13:46.400 give it to the people let the people decide i'm pretty sure i know what the result will be

00:13:49.840 i don't think that we're having a referendum on alberta separation anytime soon

00:13:53.760 yeah because i also think we're all in agreement on the uh the actual topic we were starting out

00:13:58.560 discussing here which was uh the memory of uh of john mcdonald's legacy but uh we'll have to

00:14:03.600 revisit the western question on a future episode uh but it's a natural segue into uh this one thing

00:14:10.160 that you flagged for us this week rachel what's going on at the calgary stampede and uh specifically

00:14:14.720 what's not going on well what the media is liking to peg as the controversy of the calgary stampede is

00:14:21.040 that prime minister justin trudeau will not be attending this year it's it's not a controversy in

00:14:26.000 alberta it's actually something that everyone is celebrating he's not well liked in alberta when he

00:14:30.720 comes he's dogged with protesters and hecklers and you know i was reading the cbc story about

00:14:36.240 it today and they said last year people were jockeying among crowds for selfies with trudeau and

00:14:40.960 he joined the george jahal stampede breakfast and it was like no no people were yelling at him the

00:14:46.240 liberal party does their absolute best to keep his location um top secret when they know that he's

00:14:52.000 coming so that they don't have hecklers you might remember a few months ago when he came to alberta and

00:14:56.240 they would just not tell anyone where he was meeting with danielle they wouldn't release the

00:15:00.000 name of his press conference to anyone other than his approved journalist i was asked to to leave

00:15:04.640 multiple locations throughout the day following him trying to get a question i wasn't even allowed

00:15:08.160 on the road near his vehicle because the prime minister just couldn't be bothered to be bothered

00:15:12.640 by me a journalist in my hometown which is just mind-boggling the censorship that we're seeing from the

00:15:17.040 prime minister himself so he's very unpopular in alberta we know that he faced a devastating loss in

00:15:21.680 toronto he's obviously embarrassed i think everyone thinks maybe that he will resign soon

00:15:26.240 he probably will never come to the calgary stampede again so definitely a sense of relief from people

00:15:30.640 in alberta and calgary that the prime minister won't be coming to the stampede this year um you know it's 0.96

00:15:35.360 just such a bad show for him every year when he comes he leaves looking so foolish and looking very

00:15:40.400 embarrassing i think we have that clip of him flipping pancakes at the uh at the stampede last year i mean 0.96

00:15:46.400 this is someone who doesn't even know how to how to make pancakes he doesn't even know how to flip a

00:15:49.760 pancake probably doesn't even want to make scrambled eggs um so really just in the best interest that 0.70

00:15:53.680 he's not coming this year um i think it's i think it's good for the people of alberta we we need a

00:15:57.840 little bit of a break from the from the stench of corruption that he carries with him everywhere

00:16:01.440 that he goes well since you mentioned it we've got to see the clip this is what happened when

00:16:05.280 justin trudeau tried to do his man of the people schtick in alberta last year uh here we go look at

00:16:10.960 that all right no pressure on me there's no pressure there we go

00:16:15.920 i like that he needs like the handler and the safety vest to like point to the pancake to flip like

00:16:39.520 he's even that again i mean look it simple things when you have an audience can be difficult like i

00:16:45.040 i don't you know extrapolate from this any broad character flaw except to say that that's pretty

00:16:50.720 much a sign of where justin trudeau is when he tries to be an ordinary person it's sort of like when um

00:16:57.120 jason kenney just before you know his leadership review which ultimately led to his resignation

00:17:02.320 was doing this announcement on um pausing the fuel tax this was like my first day ever reporting in

00:17:07.840 alberta he was at a gas station and he went to fill up his truck and his the gas pump got stuck in his

00:17:13.360 vehicle and he couldn't get it out and he was like pulling and pulling and of course then everyone was

00:17:16.880 like aha he doesn't fill up his own gas it was obviously very embarrassing for him but in this

00:17:21.200 case i just want to know the staffer that you know inevitably got yelled at later for not double

00:17:25.040 checking that the pancakes were were ready to be flipped like you know that someone just got reined

00:17:29.280 out for not being absolutely sure that it was time to flip the pancakes you know i would say i feel bad

00:17:34.640 for that staffer but that's sort of what you get for uh working for the liberal party yeah i think

00:17:39.200 the caption that went uh last year when that video clip went viral was you know everything you know

00:17:43.920 he touches is destroyed or whatever so uh there was something like that yeah if you if you can't trust

00:17:48.640 a man to flip your pancakes how can you trust him to uh you know save anything else in your country

00:17:52.800 right well then there was also the side-by-side comparison of him flipping the pancake and then

00:17:57.040 danielle smith you know just oh she was like flipping them over the shoulder she was tossing them into 1.00

00:18:02.000 tossing them into like a like a little like container whatever she was just passed them over 0.90

00:18:06.800 every single time made it in and he can't even manage to flip one so uh yeah those are the types

00:18:11.360 of like the video images and i mean i would agree with you when you're doing things on camera can go

00:18:15.360 awry pretty quickly when it's live we're lucky to film at home in studios with good lighting and

00:18:20.000 technology but i think the comparison was was pretty apt as to everything trudeau touches touches turning to ash

00:18:25.920 go ahead arison it's amazing how times change just two years ago he was mobbed by admirers at

00:18:32.160 the calgary stampede and now i guess they just they're gonna have to uh go home unhappy you know

00:18:38.320 they're uh they have no they have no one to cheer for in alberta so it it's it's remarkable i'm not

00:18:43.520 surprised he can't go anywhere in this country actually without getting heckled it doesn't matter

00:18:47.680 if he's in toronto it doesn't matter if he's in alberta probably the same situation in vancouver

00:18:52.480 actually i know it's the same situation everywhere he goes he gets heckled he's likely the most hated

00:18:57.440 man in the country um so i'm not surprised i think his time is obviously up we're sort of entering into

00:19:03.680 that into that territory of uh of cabinet ministers and backbenchers leaking to the media trying to get

00:19:10.080 the message out that they want him to go even the even his own legacy media are turning on him

00:19:14.480 and demanding that he holds a meeting with his uh with his caucus so yeah this doesn't surprise me at

00:19:19.040 all it seems it's just that we're in we're in the very final days of the uh of the long trudeau

00:19:25.280 story i guess you could call it a nightmare which would be more accurate yeah and i know there was

00:19:29.360 a bit of the spin going out that no he can't do the calgary stampede because he's at the nato summit

00:19:34.800 in dc which is true he does have to be at the nato summit the calgary stampede is what like 10 days

00:19:39.280 rage like it's a long thing like it's already the calgary stampede's already started and he's not going

00:19:43.520 to the nato summit for another three days yeah so he could have just you know popped into calgary

00:19:48.080 on the way there popped in don't give him any ideas though andrew listen we're happy he's not coming

00:19:52.560 he doesn't have time it's fine you don't need to come no one misses you you're not welcome here

00:19:56.960 don't give him any ideas you know just just be honest so just be honest alberta doesn't like me 0.99

00:20:01.600 i don't like you my political career is coming to an end i don't think i'm ever gonna have to come

00:20:05.920 again so might as well not go this year yada yada that's it we're done yeah there is a bit of a damned if 0.81

00:20:11.520 you do damned if you don't damned if you don't dilemma and that you know yeah it's like funny

00:20:15.120 to rag on him for not wanting to go there but if he does go there all the albertans are like no no 0.96

00:20:18.960 we don't want you here we don't like you we don't uh it was like the old uh thing that nigel farage 0.98

00:20:24.000 used to say about uh the head of the european commission is like we don't know you we don't

00:20:27.920 want to know you who are you yeah exactly oh that we should have pulled out that clip for the uh

00:20:33.920 nigel farage greatest hits as we uh have the charisma of a damp rag

00:20:38.240 exactly well since we're on the the subject harrison why don't you give us the rundown on

00:20:43.840 the big election on uh us independence day in the uk right exactly well the uk have a new prime

00:20:51.600 minister they have a new government they're led by a labor majority government led by keir starmer

00:20:58.000 and this result really surprised nobody it wasn't as though there was some sort of tight contest between

00:21:04.160 who would end up winning the conservatives over the past 14 years have abandoned the british people

00:21:09.760 they've abandoned all their core promises opened up their borders to mass immigration more immigration 0.95

00:21:15.760 and i think the last four or five years in the brit than the brits have seen in the last thousand

00:21:20.000 years right so we're dealing with truly unprecedented and a truly unprecedented situation

00:21:25.520 transgender ideology woke ideology whatever you want whatever you want to call it has been injected into

00:21:30.240 the military into the public service britain is essentially unrecognizable today than uh than before

00:21:37.040 i guess david cameron took office even under tony blair that's when the mass immigration experiment

00:21:42.800 really began but it just got way worse under the conservatives the story however is not that the

00:21:48.880 conservatives have been destroyed not that they've lost over 200 seats the story is really reform reform uk led

00:21:56.160 by nigel farage have shocked i think even even even their supporters you know they ended up winning 14

00:22:03.040 over 14 percent of the popular vote now they came third in the popular vote they only ended up winning

00:22:10.320 four seats compare that to the liberal democrats who came fourth in the popular vote winning 71 seats it

00:22:18.800 isn't quite right how this has shaken up but the reality is nigel farage he is in westminster on the eighth

00:22:25.280 time of trying talk about perseverance he's got three other mps that are going to sit with him

00:22:30.240 in westminster and hopefully they can actually start to shape the conservative party into truly being

00:22:36.320 conservative i miss other point too andrew before i send it back to you that i'm hoping that

00:22:41.520 conservatives in canada both at a provincial level and a federal level watch the results closely

00:22:46.800 because after 14 years of not governing like conservatives and governing more like liberals

00:22:51.840 and centrists they got decimated their party is now faced with an existential crisis there are several

00:22:58.400 conservative premiers in this in this pro in this country who have governed like liberals i'm looking

00:23:03.360 at doug ford in particular that may in fact end up facing a similar fate they choose to not govern

00:23:11.120 like conservatives so i hope that i hope that there was a good canadian audience yeah the decline i mean

00:23:17.360 this is the party of churchill and thatcher and what's become of that party has become

00:23:23.760 quite a tragic story in a lot of ways and i mean even boris johnson i i find to be a tremendously

00:23:28.720 overrated political figure he got brexit done he did a lot of good but he also uh was the one that

00:23:34.720 committed the uk conservatives to accepting the left's premise on all of these environmental policies

00:23:40.640 that have been incredibly harmful and and really persist under or will persist under a labor government

00:23:45.280 uh and again you had rishi sunak who was elected by nobody he was there because liz truss who won the 0.96

00:23:52.080 leadership was defenestrated uh basically more quickly than a lettuce ahead of lettuce wilted if

00:23:57.760 you remember that gag that was i think it was the uk sun or the uk mirror whoever it was did back then

00:24:03.440 but what ends up happening and liz truss by the way loses her seat jacob rees mogg loses his seat you've got

00:24:08.480 some big heavyweights in the uk conservative benches that are not returning to parliament and what i find

00:24:14.880 so fascinating about this is that i don't know if they're really going to learn their lesson

00:24:18.960 immediately because i did nigel farage and reform and by the way he didn't really he was only the

00:24:25.520 leader for like what five weeks like he was a last minute less than that yeah yeah less than that

00:24:31.760 but he was inspired and this is where it becomes very relevant to canada's history he was inspired by

00:24:36.560 preston manning and the canadian reform movement uh going back to the late 80s in the early 90s and

00:24:42.080 it's interesting when you see uh that and make that comparison because the story of that was

00:24:48.080 that the reform party eventually became the vehicle that created the modern conservative

00:24:53.120 party that pulled that party back to where it needed to be ideologically do you think rachel that

00:24:57.920 that will replicate in the uk that there will be this moment when the reform party and the uk

00:25:03.040 conservatives will have this merger and perhaps a new more viable churchill-esque or thatcher-esque

00:25:09.440 entity will come out of it i think there's an argument to be made there because of the fact

00:25:13.840 that nigel farage has a seat that they have three other seats as well so four in total the question 1.00

00:25:17.840 that i'm kind of wondering is whether we can draw any parallels between reform and the ppc we know

00:25:23.920 the ppc saw a surge in popularity during covid i think that that popularity has has diminished

00:25:29.440 significantly since then i think that even when we look at maxime bernie as the leader of that party

00:25:34.720 you know people are seeming less excited about him and uh in canada it's very difficult to start

00:25:39.920 a new party and to see any success with that um but the fact here in the uk that nigel actually has 0.98

00:25:45.200 those four seats they actually have a voice in parliament that is going to make a world from

00:25:49.280 different cement it really it's up to him to see i mean he still doesn't have a ton of power but what

00:25:53.440 can he do with the voice that he has in parliament how effective can his small caucus be i think that

00:25:58.160 will really determine how they're able to shape the future of the conservative party in britain and

00:26:03.360 in the uk and if they're able to actually have you know effective advocacy and play a role in what the

00:26:08.640 future of conservatism looks like in britain yeah i think that the the answer to that you you touched

00:26:14.800 on it with talking about parliament because if if bernier had won a seat in his several attempts

00:26:20.720 whether it was in 2019 2021 in the portis-lisker by-election totally different discussion we're

00:26:25.520 having about the pbc but the pbc after having you know what nearly six percent of the vote in

00:26:31.760 2021 has decreased in relevance ever since then like even the toronto saint paul's by-election

00:26:37.440 they got i think 234 votes like less than one percent this is not a party that has managed to

00:26:43.760 capture people again popular vote is important in a westminster system it doesn't amount to a hill of

00:26:48.880 beans though it's important as a barometer of support but you need an efficient vote in the

00:26:53.680 lib dems to your point harrison had a very efficient vote because they were concentrated

00:26:58.080 in areas where they could win a lot of ridings ppc had an inefficient vote reform had an inefficient

00:27:03.600 vote but the fact that they now are in parliament is a makes it a night and day difference from the ppc

00:27:09.200 it does and there's a lot of difference between the ppc of course and reform another thing that's

00:27:14.560 worth highlighting is that is the number of seats in which reform candidates came second to a labor winner

00:27:21.040 right that means they were outperforming the tories in northeast england in parts of the red wall that

00:27:28.640 they called it the the brexit wall and that shows that actually votes for the tories were taking away

00:27:35.040 from reform votes there is no real comparison that we can see in canada to that situation also it's

00:27:41.600 important to highlight the differences between nigel farage and maxime bernier maxime bernier talks about

00:27:46.880 the right issues i think it would be tough to deny that he's not the he's not the loudest political

00:27:52.400 voice against mass immigration in our country but he does not have the charisma and the ability to

00:27:57.920 energize young canadians and disenfranchised anglo-canadians the way that nigel farage does in 0.96

00:28:05.280 the uk the english is a barrier for for maxime bernier nigel farage is more popular in the uk than bernier is

00:28:12.880 in canada and farage is probably more popular farage is probably more popular than keir starmer and

00:28:19.200 likely rishi sunak if we're being honest he is a star in the uk his presence was what dragged that

00:28:25.440 party over the line bernier doesn't have that same effect and i do think that ultimately when when

00:28:32.480 pierre polyev does become prime minister a party on the right in this country will be critical it will

00:28:38.960 be crucial to anchor a conservative government to the right and not allow them to drip further and

00:28:44.320 further to the left as is naturally the case so if there can be if there can be some sort of reform-esque

00:28:52.160 movement in canada when we have a conservative government i think that would be a good thing for

00:28:56.960 the country but it's not there right now time to kick up the old the old reform party the west wants in

00:29:03.840 well but i i think i think the future it will depend a lot because i i think there are a lot

00:29:09.920 of people that were part of the ppc or were sympathetic to the ppc that have rallied behind

00:29:15.040 pierre polyev and the conservatives so they're seeing a rightward drift not a leftward drift now

00:29:20.560 if if a government under polyev were to go in a different direction i think you're right you're going

00:29:24.240 to see that because people have gotten a lot less forgiving of politicians abandoning their their

00:29:29.680 roots now than they were uh even back in the back in the 80s so that's something to keep an eye out

00:29:35.120 for for sure i i also think just speaking of rishi sunak we have to put up this clip this was him

00:29:41.280 making his concession speech and uh there was a youtuber i i can't remember the youtuber's name

00:29:46.560 uh because i'd never heard of him i think it was like it doesn't matter it was nico or something but

00:29:50.080 a known youtube prankster uh that decided to really hammer home the fact that rishi sunak was the

00:29:56.160 the big loser of the night i'd also like to thank the police who have ensured that we can conduct

00:30:01.360 this ballot here in north yorkshire but also across the country in safety on this difficult night

00:30:07.840 i'd like to express my gratitude to the people of the richmond and north allison constituency

00:30:12.960 i like the camera zooms in so you don't see the l the uh the holder realizes it tries to you have

00:30:18.160 made me and my family feel so at home and i look forward to continuing to serve as your member of

00:30:24.480 parliament it is an enormous privilege l by the way is the uh conventional uh acronym for loser

00:30:35.040 having to explain that i'm afraid reveals that our audience is uh quite old i think

00:30:41.280 i mean you're too young for both of you it's like the old uh all-stars or um what was it the smash

00:30:46.320 mouth we are not too young for that song in the shape of an ellenor oh no i just gave the people a

00:30:51.920 screenshot to use against me anyway yes what we need to bring we need to bring back the tradition

00:30:57.200 of having all of the candidates in a local election be on the stage together when the count is read out

00:31:04.160 and when when the victor delivers a speech there's something i just i just love the visuals of that

00:31:09.840 when you've got your you got your legitimate candidates and then you've got your your your

00:31:13.680 your joke candidates there's another video going around we don't have time to pull it but it's

00:31:18.080 you know these just these jokers with with fake names and fake party names like count bin face

00:31:24.000 well count bin face of course but that that's that's the obvious one and it's hilarious it's a

00:31:28.880 great it's a great thing and if you lose an election you have to stand there and listen to

00:31:33.520 as you as you have lost and listen to your victor deliver us listen to the victor deliver a speech

00:31:38.640 you have to bring that back imagine what that would look like in saint paul's with what a hundred

00:31:42.480 candidates i think it would give some people pause for putting putting their name forward which we

00:31:47.840 you know potentially could be a very good thing especially in writings like saint paul's where

00:31:51.840 we had what was like a hundred candidates or something ridiculous as a protest yeah by the way

00:31:56.320 right just to in my defense rachel that song came out in 1999 but have everyone seen the movie shrek i

00:32:02.800 was literally listening to a friend's house the other day like that's still is that how people know

00:32:06.240 that song i know it from shrek okay i know that's how they know that like uh schmaltzy uh rufus

00:32:13.200 wainwright well it's the leonard cohen song originally but hallelujah that also everyone knows from

00:32:18.000 from shrek even though it was right i don't know about that that reference as much but definitely

00:32:22.640 the smash bros song is popular believe it or not i used to always be the oldest the youngest

00:32:26.320 person in a room and now i'm like i feel like i'm ancient in the 20 years ago yeah anyway uh all

00:32:32.160 right we'll go from the uk to the us uh this was a five no point like talking about like the ins and

00:32:38.880 outs of who's up in iowa and whatever just yet but uh we can talk about what's become the real story of

00:32:44.400 the last couple of weeks which is the world finally realizing that joe biden is not fit to be president

00:32:50.240 rachel what was the latest gaffe so biden speaking at a july 4th uh sort of party first of all it actually

00:32:58.880 started even before he started talking he was introduced by vice president kamala harris who

00:33:03.040 appeared to at one point start to introduce biden as the vice president a little bit of a freudian slip

00:33:08.800 if you ask me i think she's just sort of standing there salivating at the thought of power as the 1.00

00:33:13.600 world discusses when joe biden is going to step down if he's going to step down why he needs to step

00:33:18.720 down so she's obviously you know her already big head is inflating even further at the thought of of all 1.00

00:33:24.720 the power that could soon be here so she appears to begin to introduce the president as the vice 1.00

00:33:29.360 president and then immediately biden takes the mic and he says ho ho ho so you know the speculation

00:33:36.800 is rampant that he uh he briefly mistook the independence day celebrations for christmas day

00:33:43.120 which if you watched any of the debate or if you've seen a biden press conference in the last

00:33:47.600 four years you know you'd be pretty apt to believe as well this man does not know where he

00:33:51.840 where he is a lot of the time he does not know what he's saying he's just really unsure of a lot

00:33:55.920 of things so it's not surprising that he mistook a hot day a hot july summer day for for christmas

00:34:01.840 day by any means i think we i think we have that clip we should play it for the audience so they can

00:34:06.400 see it for themselves and judge what they think happened there and we give thanks to our commander

00:34:12.400 in chief the vice the president of the united states the extraordinary president of the united states

00:34:19.280 joe biden happy independence day

00:34:31.200 i don't think he thinks it's christmas i may but it's still just when you put it in the context

00:34:35.520 of everything else it's uh the funniest part is the rest of them he starts talking they're all just like

00:34:40.640 what's he gonna say what's he gonna say and then as soon as he says happy independence day they're all

00:34:44.400 like they all relax like you can see their body language they're all like phew he he remembers

00:34:49.040 where we are he remembers what's going on even if just for a couple seconds you know they're all

00:34:53.040 it's the funniest part of any time he's speaking is watching the body language of everyone else around

00:34:57.120 him very uncomfortable very tense what's your take on the situation harrison well it's just what i

00:35:03.440 what we've been seeing for the last three years is just pure chaos pure uh it's ridiculous when i was

00:35:09.120 watching the debate i was so like i was actually taken aback and refreshed by listening to cnn the

00:35:17.120 first 30 seconds of the cnn commentary after the debate hearing a guy actually speak coherently and

00:35:24.400 in full sentences i felt like both of them trump and biden were just rambling on they weren't answering

00:35:30.160 any questions it wasn't even clear it's absurd i'm reading this article right now i just pulled it up

00:35:35.200 on my computer from yesterday 8 p.m on cnn that biden tells democratic governors he needs more sleep

00:35:41.440 and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m oh i'm sure everything that's fine we're all good

00:35:47.040 guys the united states president is uh gonna just stop working at a at 8 p.m and get more sleep the

00:35:53.040 world is totally fine not like there are lives at risk and uh and you know major wars taking place

00:35:59.280 i mean the only part of it was kind of weirded out too by we don't have the clip but you can look it up

00:36:04.400 yourself when he did an interview on a philly radio station joe biden did and he talked about

00:36:09.200 how he was the first black uh president to the first black vice president it was like he just

00:36:13.760 again like you know he's trying to sort of talk about appointing kamala harrett but it's like

00:36:18.320 he just can't get out even the simplest of lines the only surprising part of that article that you

00:36:24.720 just referenced here is that he harrison is that he was even working until 8 p.m i assume that he

00:36:29.120 retired far earlier in the evening i mean that was one of the worst debate performances i haven't

00:36:34.640 i've been around for too long i'm not old like you andrew so maybe you can think of some examples

00:36:38.720 in history that were worse when noah's on though you're like the old matron basically and he calls

00:36:43.520 you no no is the reason that i had to change my name because i was tired of my colleagues referring

00:36:48.000 to me as mrs emmanuel like that's my mom like don't be gross so if you're wondering the real reason

00:36:52.320 why i changed my name you can all thank noah for that later noah blame noah yeah but um for example

00:36:57.920 the debate performance i mean there was reports coming out later on the uh the biden team they

00:37:02.480 tried to kind of pin this on their staff for their staff under the bus say that he was unprepared

00:37:06.480 but then the staff came out swinging and saying they took six days to prepare for that debate

00:37:11.120 performance he wouldn't get started until about 10 30 11 and then he would have to take a nap in the

00:37:16.560 afternoon so he would basically work for about an hour maybe an hour and a half and then he would

00:37:21.520 have to take a nap in the afternoon and now we know he's retire retiring at eight so how many hours in

00:37:26.240 the day does that leave for actual work to be getting done i would peg it to maybe about four

00:37:30.480 hours a day where he's actually awake and is somewhat able to to make decisions even though

00:37:36.080 i highly suspect he's not the real person making decisions in the white house yeah you're probably

00:37:42.160 right about that uh we don't have too too much time left but i know you want to talk about this one

00:37:46.560 harrison and you were actually there and like sustained a battle injury which is how you know you've made

00:37:51.440 it as a journalist when you've been attacked at a protest which can be i'm making light of it but

00:37:56.000 it can actually be incredibly incredibly risky to cover these things these days uh what happened

00:38:02.240 right so at the university of toronto these uh pro-palestine protesters had been encamped at the

00:38:08.560 university for over two months and yesterday i believe it was no two days ago two days ago was the

00:38:14.320 day they were to be evicted from their encampment the police were granted an injunction to clear them out

00:38:20.640 and before the police even showed up they all fled they all dispersed they ran away from the police

00:38:27.360 and they decided to hold a large march instead um and essentially we were there to see what

00:38:33.920 was going to happen when the police cleared out the uh the protest we all wanted to see

00:38:38.320 what was actually going to take place but what happened was that they just decided to do a large

00:38:44.160 march around the university instead we were there we asked some people some questions simple questions

00:38:49.040 like do you feel the protest had been successful what have you accomplished if anything or have you

00:38:54.320 accomplished anything at all you know the main the main effort of the protest was to have the university

00:38:59.600 divest from companies real and i don't believe that the university has done anything in regards to that

00:39:06.160 so that would that would assume that they had not been successful anyway upon asking some people some questions

00:39:11.760 questions we were moved over to the sidewalk of the march and that's when we had some antifa type

00:39:17.520 characters with black umbrellas was this by police by protesters you just like naturally we just we

00:39:23.600 just didn't want to be like in the center of it we tried to ask people some questions then we moved over

00:39:27.600 to the sidewalk and uh my cameraman and i were quickly encircled after asking a woman those exact same

00:39:34.160 questions because that's what we were there to do and then we had we had umbrellas come over the top of both

00:39:39.680 our cameras and into our backs basically spearing our camera my cameraman and i as we tried to just

00:39:46.080 get out of the way and get out of the uh get out of the mix uh but that's just the way that these

00:39:51.200 characters are behaving now they've become emboldened they know that they can get away with a lot

00:39:56.320 and they know that police aren't really watching what they're doing on the sidelines of the march

00:40:00.720 so it's astonishing to see it all take place i will say though that if you are protesting a genocide

00:40:07.200 and it's a really important cause you would think that these protesters might stand their ground

00:40:12.240 just for the actual day that it counts but no not for them they fled yeah and it was interesting

00:40:18.480 because qp ontario which has been like very you know against very much against israel and supporting

00:40:23.600 the protesters in the encampments they were like urging people to go down they were urging like more

00:40:28.240 people to go there but they cleared out on their own pretty much quickly it was the uh it stands in

00:40:32.720 contrast to say the freedom convoy where people notably use the the rally and cry hold the line

00:40:37.920 now i look i'm also of the mind that these people probably didn't want to be pepper sprayed and you

00:40:42.160 know dragged out by their heels and and whatever but uh you know because that was their argument but

00:40:46.480 they said they were going to come back they said they were going to return rachel do you think they

00:40:49.920 will i wouldn't be surprised these people seem very dedicated to you know really raising the alarm over

00:40:56.640 this issue and drawing attention to it i don't know what their reason was for why they came in

00:41:01.520 the night of maybe they thought they were going to be arrested um if it was somebody that they didn't

00:41:05.680 want to face police you know that's another story but i don't know the the reasoning there i'm not

00:41:09.200 going to make assumptions um obviously you know harrison as far as them seeking to have companies

00:41:14.240 divest from israel you said that wasn't successful what i think we can all agree on is they have been

00:41:17.920 successful in drawing a lot of attention to this issue this has been going on for weeks and we're still

00:41:21.680 talking about it we talk about it on the show very very frequently it's infrequent media coverage so they

00:41:25.920 definitely are are successful at drawing attention to the issue you know i think sometimes it's not

00:41:30.640 helpful the way that we talk about the israeli-palestinian conflict it's sort of these like

00:41:34.880 you know these quick issues of the protesters but we actually people are not very informed on i think

00:41:39.440 what's really going on there in the history of the whole issue and that's just not the way that we've

00:41:43.440 talked about what's happening right now um but harrison i think that you had an astute point as to the

00:41:48.880 fact that they felt so emboldened that they that they were touching you and that they and some were they

00:41:53.920 hitting you or they just put their umbrella over you either way you know you are a reporter you

00:41:57.600 should have been able to go to that protest and to feel safe covering the incident you should have

00:42:01.920 been able to ask your questions sounds like you weren't asking any inflammatory questions you were

00:42:06.400 asking some very simple questions trying to get information out and you know i saw a video of you

00:42:10.800 circulating online where you and your camera and you actually had to kind of very quickly try to rush out

00:42:15.200 rush out of the crowd because you were no longer in a safe circumstance and i think it's very shocking and

00:42:20.560 disturbing that we're in a situation in canada where people like yourself and myself when we're

00:42:24.800 going to go cover protests we actually have to ask ourselves if it's going to be a safe environment for

00:42:28.800 us i don't think that should be the case at all yeah i mean sue ann levy who we all work with i mean

00:42:34.080 she's been very much threatened and i don't know if she's been assaulted probably they've come close to

00:42:38.880 it and you look at some of these uh protest guys in the u.s like ford fisher is one he goes into

00:42:44.320 films like all of these protests he's got to basically go in full riot gear because it's the only way he can

00:42:49.440 offer himself just a semblance of protection now i don't know if true north needs to start issuing

00:42:53.200 that when uh people are going out but but these things are legitimately they get unhinged because

00:42:58.400 i remember when i was covering the um it was the republican convention in cleveland there was a group

00:43:02.800 of protesters and i went out and very similar to you harrison just tried to ask a couple of questions

00:43:06.800 and they wrapped they wrapped me in this banner it was very weird it was actually quite comfortable if you

00:43:12.800 overlooked the fact that these unwashed antifa people were there it was like a nice little like seaweed wrap

00:43:17.440 at a spa they like wrapped me in their banner and then a few like started coughing on me and it was

00:43:22.480 it was a very bizarre thing i never felt physically threatened because i could probably have taken any

00:43:26.960 one of them individually but in that it's a mob-like mentality and you see that when you're in the midst

00:43:32.080 of this thing it's quite something absolutely and uh i mean not to not to make it just about that incident

00:43:38.400 uh but it's important to highlight this as well the protest a lot of people there were holding signs

00:43:43.840 about free university education had nothing to do with what they were protesting or what the media

00:43:49.440 had made the protest out to be they had one woman had a sign that said israel is terrorist those words

00:43:56.320 and then on the other side it was free university education now and you had all these other protesters

00:44:01.680 sounds like she needs it in her defense sounds like she needs the education yes yes it does sound that way

00:44:07.280 and that seemed to be what they all the qp signs were about free university education um it was a

00:44:13.200 very bizarre situation i we we we've we don't cover the protests that much anymore but at the beginning

00:44:19.680 when they were starting we would we would cover them and we would do our job we would try to ask them

00:44:24.400 some questions and actually get their side of the story out and it was sort of the second or third time

00:44:30.080 that we had gone to the protest this was several months ago last year that we were starting to get

00:44:34.560 noticed and it wasn't even it wasn't even what appeared to be arabs who were accusing us of

00:44:40.000 being in the wrong place and telling us to get lost it was white antifa masked up people who were

00:44:46.160 attacking true north and that was the case on wednesday it's like people who aren't even really uh

00:44:50.960 you know don't don't even have like a blood connection to the issue um they're just there

00:44:54.800 because they want the chaos they want the scene it's a very bizarre situation yeah that always seems to

00:44:59.440 be the way the people that are the most fervent in these protests are never the ones directly affected by

00:45:04.560 by the the thing that they're they're protesting that's i mean the story of indigenous energy

00:45:08.480 protests it's like you know three indigenous people and then like 87 uh you know just woke

00:45:12.880 british colombians there but anyway that does it for us for today my thanks to harrison

00:45:17.280 faulkner and rachel parker for their contributions to today's program

00:45:21.280 remember everything you've heard is off the record

00:45:31.680 there i got it right nicely done honestly i can't say anything i'm still getting it wrong

00:45:37.360 when i go to record my show i'm like oh yeah i changed my name have you like relearned your signature

00:45:41.920 yet um i haven't relearned my signature yet but i am very relieved because ever since i was a kid

00:45:48.320 my last name was so long that somewhere in the middle of like because i always do cursive somewhere

00:45:52.160 in like the about the third hump of the first m i would start to get confused as to how many m

00:45:57.680 humps i had done and then the whole thing would just go to crap so i'm really excited to not have

00:46:01.600 to do the cursive m's anymore it's like you just i can never keep track of how many i've done it's my

00:46:06.640 whole life i have not been able i think on my show today i made an argument for my audience and

00:46:10.400 i'm pretty sure i'm dyslexic so there you have it i most likely am i i'm like i i have terrible

00:46:15.680 handwriting and now that i like i'm an author and have to do book signings like if any if i'm ever

00:46:19.920 relevant enough in history that someone has to like authenticate the autographs in my books they're

00:46:25.120 going to have a heck of a time because i think every one of them is different yeah i don't know that

00:46:29.120 that's going to happen though so don't worry about it too much harrison do you how's your

00:46:33.920 handwriting do you have like typical guy writing it's it's so bad i uh i i'm embarrassed every

00:46:39.920 time i have to write a card to someone i i have to just give them a warning in advance say if you

00:46:44.320 need me to like read it over your shoulder out loud do you do penmanship or do you print

00:46:50.080 uh like is that penmanship is that are you asking if i write cursive cursive yeah i thought cursive was

00:46:55.680 also no i i i print yeah cursive is a lost art form i think i still write in cursive

00:47:03.600 people can't even read it anymore i'm gonna read it when i when i was in high school there

00:47:07.920 was this girl next to me that wanted to like borrow my notes and i had a crush on her but

00:47:11.440 so i like couldn't show her my notes because i was embarrassed about my handwriting it was so terrible

00:47:15.520 anyway

Juno News - July 05, 2024

John A Macdonald gets memory-holed

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