Juno News - September 30, 2021Journalists are calling the cops on Maxime Bernier for tweeting
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Coming up, journalists go to the police on Maxime Bernier, Jason Kenney supports Aaron O'Toole as Conservative leader, and a look at rising public sector pay. The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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Coming up, journalists sick the police on Maxime Bernier.
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Jason Kenney supports Aaron O'Toole hanging around as Conservative leader.
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Hello and welcome to another edition of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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I know September just flew by in the year 2021.
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They'll make time pass and then before you know it, you're in another election.
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And then you're just in an endless cycle of time passing.
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I once heard from someone that adulthood is just a string of saying,
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well, things will slow down next week over and over until you die.
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Right now, I am pre-recording this, of course, because I am going to be this weekend in Calgary, Alberta,
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for the Virtual Canada Strong and Free Network Conference.
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And I know it's weird to be in Calgary for a virtual conference.
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This was, of course, going to be a big in-person conference in Red Deer.
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And then, as you know, because I railed against it on this show a little while ago,
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the Alberta government put in a range of restrictions that made having this in-person conference in the province
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I'm going to be on a panel with Danielle Smith and Bruce Party and Jonathan Kaye
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about the 1984 totalitarian and Orwellian moves that governments are making across the country.
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And, in fact, across the world, we'll also be talking about free speech and Bill C-36 and C-10.
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And if you want to register to watch that live, you can go to canadastrongandfree.network.
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And lots of other great speakers as well, notably Dennis Prager.
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So not often I get to be on the same lineup as Dennis Prager.
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Now, as you can see in that picture, the picture of me is a little bit smaller than his.
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So hopefully I will be able to hear lots of feedback from you on how that goes.
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I want to talk about Alberta a little bit later on in the show.
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But I do want to start off by talking about the Canadian Association of Journalists going to war against Maxime Bernier.
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Now, there's that old saying in news that when a dog bites a man, it's not news.
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And journalists attacking PPC is, I think, the epitome of dog bites man.
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But this is a particularly interesting attack because the CAJ is calling on the RCMP, the National Police Agency in Canada, to investigate Maxime Bernier.
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So this independent, nonpartisan Association of Journalists wants police to investigate the leader of a political party that they completely ignored and, in a lot of cases, misrepresented in their coverage for the last six, seven weeks.
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Maxime Bernier had fielded a number of media requests from reporters that were all, he thought, done in kind of a very bad faith way.
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They were predicated on this idea that the PPC is rooted in racism or appeals to racists and white supremacists.
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I'm going to read them because the honesty here is very important.
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One of the requests from a CTV reporter says, I'm writing a story on the PPC in light of its rising popularity, yada, yada, yada, attracts and is endorsed by far-right groups, including neo-Nazis and white nationalists.
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And while it may attract a broad spectrum of people that don't necessarily hold these extremist views, the fact is there are people affiliated with the PPC with known ties to either neo-Nazi or white nationalist groups.
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Another request that came from Global News says, I'm working on a story about black indigenous people of color voters.
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I've spoken with a number of people and they're concerned about what your party stands for.
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And they've expressed discomfort upon seeing your signs.
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They fear that the PPC is pushing far-right extremism and allowing people who are xenophobic in the party and to run as candidates.
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And then there was a request from the Hill Times that says,
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I'm working on a story about violence and incidents of hate on the campaign trail and says this guy from the Canadian Anti-Hate Network says there are PPC supporters
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that are all in the same group and that's the exposure to racist and far-right propaganda that led to violence.
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And again, he's just writing a story about what this one guy who's an activist says and putting it to Maxime Bernier to respond to.
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So Bernier tweeted out all three of these and says, these are from far-left activists masquerading as journalists.
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And then he went one step further and in another tweet shared their email addresses and said,
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you know what, if they're going to play dirty, we're going to play dirty too.
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Why don't you email them and let them know what you think?
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And predictably, we saw from a lot of these reporters, they were getting a bunch of nasty messages from people
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because Maxime Bernier sicked his supporters on these reporters.
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Now, this is something that there's a lot to delve into here and I want to be very clear, I do not support what he's done.
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Yes, it's public, their public email addresses, sure.
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I don't support taking a mob approach to social media.
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There's something about rising above, you can call them out, but the idea of getting people to email them serves no purpose whatsoever.
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So, with that being said, it's his right to talk about what they're doing.
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It's his right to talk about, and I'd say it's encouraged to talk about what these reporters are doing
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and show people the media requests because I'm a journalist.
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I know when I read those exactly what's happening.
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They've already written the stories and they're just checking the box to say,
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I've asked for comment or they're going to weave whatever Maxime Bernier tells them into an existing narrative.
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So, that Hilltime story is about, oh, the party's racist.
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The global story was about, okay, the party makes indigenous people and black people and other people of color nervous.
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And the first one was that this party is a magnet for white supremacists.
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So, it doesn't matter what Bernier or some PPC spokesperson say.
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They're just fitting into an existing narrative.
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So, I get the frustration and I get the PPC saying, we're not going to play ball with that.
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And I even get them saying, this is what we're up against.
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I just draw the line before sharing the email addresses because then all of a sudden, you have to own what your supporters email these reporters.
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And yes, their public email addresses, someone who's motivated enough could look up all of those reporters and send them an email.
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But by directing people to tell them what you think and play dirty, you're stooping to their level.
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However, that does not mean that this is a criminal harassment, which is what the Canadian Association of Journalists now says it is.
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They're arguing in this press release they sent out yesterday that law enforcement has to address targeted harassment of reporters.
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They say that this tweet from Bernier, which resulted in Twitter suspending his account for 12 hours, presumably under the doxing policy or anti-doxing policy,
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that this is something that desperately needs to be investigated.
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And they say efforts to intimidate journalists from asking tough, serious questions is a tactic ripped directly from the pages of an authoritarian playbook.
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The messages being directed towards reporters and editors are absolutely vile, deplorable, and completely acceptable.
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We strongly stand by our members during these distressing times.
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And they go on to say that there are sections of the criminal code that prohibit the willful promotion of hatred.
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And they're saying that now being a journalist is a protected ground against hate speech in the criminal code, which, by the way, it's not.
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Now, at one point, and I'm going to delve into this in a future show, they go on to link this to C36 and talk about the importance of regulating online harms,
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which is what restoring Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act would do.
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Again, journalism, not a protected human rights group.
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As much as they may want to think they're special, they're not that special.
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Now, I've had favorable interactions with the Canadian Association of Journalists.
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In 2019, when the Leaders Debates Commission banned True North, the CAJ actually issued a statement defending us.
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And they didn't like how their guidelines on journalism had been appropriated by the government and used to exclude.
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So the CAJ has been solid on the issue of press freedom in the past.
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However, the Canadian Association of Journalists would also not admit True North as a member because they draw a line internally for what journalism is that excludes us.
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I'm just trying to give some context about where it is they're coming from here.
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They believe that they are the official club, and in a lot of ways they are, for journalists in Canada.
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So they're absolutely right to want to support their members.
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They're absolutely in the right to want to tell members,
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hey, if you've been, you know, having some troubles with people emailing you things and you need some support,
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we're going to reach out and provide it to you.
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But to say that the police should be investigating a political leader for mean tweets about journalists is absolutely,
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It doesn't help them because it turns back on them because all of a sudden most people are going to say just toughen up.
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And that's terrible because I've seen some of the email, I mean, I see emails that are sent to me,
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but I've seen some of the emails that a lot of reporters will tweet out that they get,
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vile things, sexist, racist, just horrible things that no one should say at all to another human being.
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And when I see that, I'm like, oh, I don't like that people are subjected to that nastiness.
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I am a firm believer in this idea that there are certain jobs and roles you take on that invite it.
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I'm saying that in the society that we have now, it's going to happen.
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So you do need to have a tough skin and by and large, a lot of journalists do.
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But more importantly, journalists above most other groups should be taking a very firm stand
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in support of free speech, unequivocally, unquestioningly in support of free speech.
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That should be the role of journalists because journalists use their free speech to challenge
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They use their right to freedom of the press to challenge authority.
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And you can only do that if you take a principled stand in support of free speech.
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So what the Canadian Association of Journalists is doing here is calling on Canada's police
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to start clamping down on speech that they do not approve of.
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Now, I want you to understand why this is such a bizarre position to take.
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Because the CAJ has for years taken aim at the RCMP for being too heavy handed.
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There's one statement in 2017, RCMP named Canada's most secretive law agency, as they
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talk about giving the RCMP the Code of Silence Award for achievement in government secrecy,
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Another article here where the CAJ says that the RCMP needs to follow the court order to
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respect media rights after a journalist was arrested at Ferry Creek out in Vancouver Island
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So the idea here is that they've accused the RCMP in the past of being too opaque, of being
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And now they're turning around and saying, we don't like what Maxime Bernier tweeted.
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So you should launch an investigation and charge him with hate speech.
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Twitter suspended Bernier's account and pulled the tweet.
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Twitter made its decision there based on its terms of service.
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In a free market sense, that's what should have happened.
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Do they want to make it illegal to tweet out a reporter's email address and say, tell them
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Again, I wouldn't do it because I think it surrenders the moral high ground.
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But I certainly would not support the criminalization of something like that.
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And I remember years ago when Section 13 was first under the microscope around the time
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it was repealed by a private member's bill from Conservative MP Brian Storseth.
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Most people in the media were very much in favor of free speech.
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And it's scary how a decade later, less than a decade later in fact, the media cabal really
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And this is the problem with the parliamentary press gallery monopoly is that they oftentimes
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as an organization, I'm not talking about individual reporters, as an organization, they tend to
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only look inward and focus on their own rights, their own freedoms, without looking at the
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I've told the story countless times, and I'm going to keep telling it, when I was covering
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the Global Conference for Media Freedom in London, England in 2019.
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And Chrystia Freeland said, we're going to let everyone into our press conferences except
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All of the reporters from the Globe and Mail, CBC, CTV, Al Jazeera, Global News, they all
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said, we're not covering your stinking press conference unless you accredit everyone.
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I've been treated very well when I was out on the campaign trail covering the conservatives.
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I had great relationships with a lot of journalists.
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But some of these institutions, these organizations, I don't know if you're familiar with it.
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John O'Sullivan, who's a fantastic writer, I've interviewed him in the past.
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He coined O'Sullivan's first law, in which he said that any institution that is not explicitly
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right-wing will over time become explicitly left-wing.
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And it's impossible to come up with a piece of, I mean, even a lot of the so-called right-wing
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And I would say a lot of these journalism organizations are the same.
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They're made up of journalists who, on an individual level, may be fair and balanced and dedicated.
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But once they morph into that institution, the institution takes on a mind of its own.
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And as we're seeing in the CAJ, moves in a direction that fundamentally does not respect
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the very right on which its members rely to earn a living and to do the work they do.
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When we come back, more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.
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Speaking of the RCMP, I have to talk about this story.
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And also speaking of the media, the RCMP's union is pushing back against the vaccine mandate
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He said just the other day, if you have flights booked in the next couple of weeks, you better
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make sure you're vaccinated because the mandate is coming.
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And interestingly enough, there was a tweet from Rosemary Barton that I found kind of interesting.
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Justin Trudeau was doing some photo op at a vaccine clinic and there was a guy getting
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vaccinated and he told Justin Trudeau he's getting it because he realizes he can't do, I won't
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say the word because I don't want to lose our clean tag on iTunes, but you can see it up on the
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screen there, he can't do crap until he gets it.
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So that actually is very dangerous for people who are opposing vaccine mandates because there
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are a lot of people that are like that guy where they're only getting it because they feel
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But anyway, the RCMP union is pushing back against a vaccine mandate.
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They say that a police officer should have a right to refuse vaccination.
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Now, this is a position that most civilized people and most civilized societies would take,
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that you do not surrender your right to decide what you put in your body.
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But I want to, I mean, the story itself is pretty standard, but I want to hone in on the
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Look at the headline and look at the use of quotation marks.
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The RCMP union says it supports a Mountie's right to refuse vaccination.
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And I know they're quoting, but at the same time, they're also making a point when they
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say that whoever wrote the headline, and oftentimes it's, in fact, usually it's not the reporter
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itself who writes the reporter themselves who writes the headline, but, but by whoever wrote
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that headline is trying to say that this is just a made up thing.
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They support their right to refuse vaccination.
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And there's something very revealing in just a couple of small quotation marks.
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Sheila Gunn-Reed, Sheila's getting a couple of plugs on the show today.
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But she asked on Twitter, why did you put right in scare quotes?
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Those are what you do when you want to terrify someone, which is basically what's happening
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Although in fairness, I do think that we should put some quotation marks in the Canadian
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Charter of Rights and Freedoms now around rights and freedoms.
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One interesting thing, just before we jump into talking about government pay and public
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sector pay is the Aaron O'Toole leadership fight.
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Now, Aaron O'Toole is still gung-ho wanting to hold on to his leadership of the Conservative
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And one interesting development in this is that Premier Jason Kenney is supporting Aaron
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And I say sort of for a reason that will become apparent in just a moment.
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Now, to give you a bit of the backstory here, Jason Kenney gave a very, very desirable endorsement
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to O'Toole during the leadership race last year.
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Kenney's endorsement likely moved some votes in Alberta, certainly established Aaron O'Toole
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as being the anti-Peter McKay candidate, which I think is very positive outside of, you know,
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perhaps Atlantic Canada and maybe a couple of downtown Toronto ridings.
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And that endorsement from Kenney came with the designation that Aaron O'Toole is the only
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He's the only one that's not going to bring the party to the left.
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So I was interested because I was covering a press conference by Jason Kenney last week
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in this idea of whether he still supports O'Toole's continued leadership.
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Last year, you endorsed Aaron O'Toole's leadership bid, which we know was ultimately successful
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After the election results, there have been some calls from within the federal Conservative
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Party for Aaron O'Toole to step down or certainly people wanting him to lose a leadership
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Does he have your support to remain as federal Conservative leader still?
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I think that a party like the Federal Conservatives should maintain stability.
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You know, I was part of Prime Minister Harper's Conservative Party when he lost the 2004 election.
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He went on to become Prime Minister and form a very effective government for the next decade.
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So I think constantly changing leaders doesn't create a public confidence.
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And I think, you know, to be a leader as Mr. O'Toole has tried to be in the context of
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the pandemic is especially challenging to get your message out, to meet Canadians, to get
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So I'm sure that Aaron is going to work with his team to identify things that could have
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been done better in this campaign and the lead up to it, to listen to Grassroots Party
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But I think the immediate instinct to remove a leader after a disappointing election outcome
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And it's interesting how people take different things from it.
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So when I heard that, I was thinking it was very tacit.
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He didn't talk about anything objectively about O'Toole that he thinks makes him deserving
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There was even that one line about O'Toole trying to be a leader.
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And at the same time, he seems to emphasize continuity and stability more than, yeah, Aaron
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O'Toole has a lot to be proud of and he should carry on.
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Now, other people have heard that and say, yeah, he's supporting O'Toole.
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I don't want to start parsing words and saying, oh, well, you know, it sounded like there
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was a comma there and that changes the meaning of it.
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It wasn't an enthusiastic support, which I found interesting.
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However, there's another angle to this, which is that Jason Kenney is facing calls for his
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own ousting from the leadership of the United Conservative Party.
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So I understand him not wanting to decide to be on team, let's dethrone the leader right
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He's had two MLAs in his caucus, Lila Ahir and Angela Pitt, within the last week that
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have said they do not have confidence in his leadership.
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But when Todd Lowen and Drew Barnes said very similar things a few months back, they were
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And the UCP has actually moved up its leadership review.
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They were supposed to have one in the fall, wherein United Conservative Party members in
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Alberta could vote to oust Jason Kenney as leader.
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Now they've moved it up to the spring by popular demand.
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Now, in fairness, this is something that's constitutionally mandated.
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It's not because they're wanting to get rid of Jason Kenney that they're doing this,
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but there is a lot of interest and a lot of demand for doing it more quickly and doing
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So we will certainly be following that and I'll be out there in April in Edmonton.
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Not that April in Edmonton is still winter, I think, by Edmonton standards.
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I want to turn to one topic that always is unchanging.
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Another one of these dog bites man topics, but I still think one worth talking about,
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And specifically in this context, public sector pay not on the decline.
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A lot of Canadians dealt with pay freezes or pay cuts or job losses over the pandemic.
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In the private sector, the public sector pretty immune from that, even as the tax base shrinks
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I want to talk about a new report from our friends over at secondstreet.org.
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COVID has led to pay cuts in business, but no government has cut pay.
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We've seen for the last year and a half, businesses that have been forced by government
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We've had a lot of insecurity in the private sector on jobs,
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yet none of that insecurity and uncertainty has made its way to the public sector.
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As the pandemic emerged, we saw all these news stories about various businesses in many
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industries struggling and having no choice but to cut back on compensation.
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Everything from Chrysler in the automotive sector to oil and gas companies to entertainment
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You know, there's one sector here that's missing, and that's the government.
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And so it got us thinking, you know, when was the last time that governments actually
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And so we filed these requests right across the country to ask that question.
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I know that we haven't yet seen the totality of the financial toll that COVID has taken.
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And I include in that not just the pandemic itself, but also the lockdowns and restrictions
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But one thing that we know is that the private sector has to be responsive to the market.
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If your business goes down, you don't have enough money to keep your staff and you don't
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In the case of government, we know from all of these business losses that the tax base
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But that same responsiveness to revenue, to inflow, isn't there with government.
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Because governments just look at your kids and mine.
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They just rack up tons and tons of debt rather than saying, hey, wait a second.
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I don't think too many Canadians would say the government shouldn't have done anything
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I think most people would agree that that was necessary.
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But just the overall largesse, there was no restraint on the government's part.
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So you had lots of people in the private sector taking pay reductions.
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And as our research found, really nothing in government.
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You know, the federal government told us that they don't have any records of ever cutting
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employee pay, never mind during the pandemic, never at all.
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Or if it did happen, it went so far back that everyone's forgotten and no one has any record
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Provincially, pretty much across the country, provinces had no records on any kind of pay
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The last pay reduction seemed to have happened in the 1990s, which, you know, if you think
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about that, that's over 20 years ago now since there's been any real wage restraint in
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Well, the one example that we did find was Manitoba, where employees were required to
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take five unpaid days off, which isn't the same as a pay cut, because with a pay cut,
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And then at the city level, we saw that in Mississauga, they had four positions that will
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receive a pay reduction, but it's not for current employees, it's for future employees.
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So the bottom line is out of millions and millions of government employees covered by our
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And when you talk about how far back this goes, yeah, it's possible that, you know, in 1927,
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the fisheries department took, you know, took a pay cut in some way.
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But we're talking about overwhelmingly a compensation that's only ever rising and never going back,
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even when the economy itself retreats, it sounds like.
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I mean, we fundamentally have two different societies when it comes to working in this country.
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You have those outside of government who, as you alluded to, have to face the ups and downs
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They can't just rack up enormous amounts of debt to not worry about how they're going
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And then on the other side of the equation is government.
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And I mean, there's been hundreds of thousands of employees in government who actually received
00:28:34.860
In some cases, those were contracts that had been signed before the pandemic hit.
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But in other cases, you had the government out signing new contracts with pay increases
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And the CTF, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, found that over 300,000 federal employees alone
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And I think it's fair when people ask that question, how is this fair for everyday working
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people who are having to face these tough economic times, and yet they're paying for
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people in government who don't really have to face it?
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I do get the question of fairness, but if you're a public sector worker who signed up to work
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for whatever department or whatever municipality under a certain set of circumstances, I can
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understand you listening to this interview right now and saying, well, hang on, why does
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other people's suffering have to become my suffering?
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I mean, isn't there an argument that instead of trying to be doing this race to the bottom,
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we could try to remove some of these barriers that were preventing the public sector from
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having prosperity or the private sector, rather?
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Yeah, and I think we have to ask the question, well, when would the public sector ever have
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If not now, during a downturn when everyone else is and they're the ones who are struggling
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to put food on their tables and they're also having to pay for pay increases and those in
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government to not ever be affected, it doesn't seem like a fair argument to say that those
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in government should never have their belts tightened.
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And to be fair, it's not the case that there's never any restraint.
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You will see that from time to time, but it's the actual pay cut, a 5% cut, a 10% pay cut,
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whatever it is, it's just, it's really become unheard of in government.
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Like I say, the last examples that we identified went back to the 1990s in Ontario.
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They had Ray Days, which is similar to what I talked about with what Manitoba did, where
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PEI did something, I believe it was in the late 90s too.
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So you did see those examples in the 90s and at the provincial level, but really it's been
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And you have this sort of two society state where you have those in government who really
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are not affected by what's happening in the outside world.
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And then those in the outside world, people in private sector and nonprofits and that,
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And how did the underlying circumstances that led to that austerity in the 90s compare to
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My guess would be that it would pale in comparison to what we're facing today.
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I mean, you look at the federal government alone, they racked up hundreds and hundreds
00:31:24.340
of billions of dollars in debt in one year alone, simply to pay for the pandemic.
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A lot of provinces are back swimming in debt again.
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So there's a lot of very tough financial situations out there.
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And I think really what people might want to reflect on is this.
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We've got governments spending way more than what they're bringing in in revenues.
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They say we either cut services or we raise taxes.
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Now, I think a lot of the services that Canadians receive from governments, they probably wouldn't
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Policing, health care, people fixing roads and bridges.
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And then on the other end of the equation, you've got raising taxes.
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No one wants to see taxes go up right now because that would hurt a lot of families that are
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struggling and a lot of businesses that are struggling.
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And that is to do a better job with the revenues that governments have right now.
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And one thing they can do is cut salaries back a little bit, cut pensions back a little bit,
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you know, bring the compensation packages back down to size so that they're more fair with
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what people in outside government are receiving for the same type of work.
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And that's one way you can ensure the services continue.
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It's just done a little bit more cost effectively.
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I know this was a multi-government level project on your part.
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You went across the country, federal, provincial, municipal.
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What were the standout examples, really the worst examples, either for lack of transparency
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or just for how little in the way of restraint they were exhibiting?
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A lot of governments didn't even know when the last time was that they reduced pay.
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You know, like I said, Ottawa told us they don't have any records of ever doing that.
00:33:12.600
I believe it was New Brunswick as well that did that.
00:33:18.260
You know, in Calgary, Calgary is a city that has been struggling for a good five or six years
00:33:23.560
now because of the oil and gas downturn especially.
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And they gave us data going back to the 1970s showing that there has been no pay cuts at all,
00:33:34.400
And so there's a lot of examples like that where we know that different parts of the country
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And you can see that governments just kind of sailed right through, that there was no
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And I think ultimately the big picture is that we see these studies from the Canadian
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Federation of Independent Business, from the Fraser Institute and others that show this
00:33:57.320
Government employees making more in terms of their total compensation than people outside
00:34:03.320
And so the end result is this, you have everyday taxpayers that have to pay more for those
00:34:09.440
in government to make this higher compensation level.
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So, you know, the end result is it costs everyday people more in taxes.
00:34:18.560
And I, you know, to be clear, I wouldn't look at the everyday worker in government and say,
00:34:26.420
I mean, most people just go to work and they want to put in an honest day's work and get
00:34:31.660
But it's ultimately elected officials and governments that agree to these contracts and
00:34:35.480
they've let these compensation levels run away from what would be competitive.
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Yeah, and I think it's also important, and I know it's outside the scope of this report,
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but to look at the general imbalance between public and private sector pay for the same
00:34:51.040
jobs in general, because this is something I know other research has shown is already
00:34:58.440
So the public sector employees for the same job in the private sector are making more and
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I mean, we could go on all day with this, but I'm glad you've done the work on this.
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SecondStreet.org has the new report, finding no evidence of any major governments dropping
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pay despite private sector businesses having to do that or just shut down altogether.
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Colin Craig, SecondStreet's president, joins us now.
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And if any of your viewers or listeners would like to actually see their government responses,
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And we'll put it up on the screen there right now.
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Like I said, the sun rises, the sun sets, public sector pay goes up, private sector pay goes
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Some things are unchanging, but you still need reminders of that from time to time.
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