Juno News - Jukebox Justin embarrasses Canada on the world stage – again

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00:00:22.020 It is Tuesday, September 20th, 2022.

00:00:24.900 and we have some breaking news that just came in like five seconds ago across my desk so

00:00:32.340 if you are reading the little description on YouTube or Facebook this is not at all

00:00:37.260 what I mentioned in there because I want to talk about this for just a couple of moments and then

00:00:41.200 we'll get on to the really fun stuff but Canada is according to the Globe and Mail going to drop

00:00:47.180 the COVID-19 vaccine requirement for entering the country on September 30th so in 10 days time

00:00:54.160 you will no longer need to be fully vaccinated to enter the country.

00:00:59.320 They're also on September 30th going to make ArriveCAN optional,

00:01:03.460 and they are going to end random testing on arrival, September 30th.

00:01:08.440 Now, they are, according to this story,

00:01:11.060 keeping the mask and the mask mandate in place for trains and planes

00:01:15.200 because it's Canada.

00:01:16.620 You can't actually ever believe that you're totally free

00:01:19.140 of the restrictions of COVID, Stan.

00:01:21.520 but if you're tuning in if you've had a loved one that lives in another country that hasn't

00:01:25.540 been able to come here for two years they will be able to barring any other changes on September 30th

00:01:31.300 so I want to read the actual announcement in the actual order this is coming from a Globe and Mail

00:01:37.380 story that's been leaked by a couple of quote-unquote unnamed government sources I believe

00:01:42.880 the story there's been little drips and drabs of something like this happening but I want to

00:01:47.820 actually read it before I say what's going on because we know that the government has said

00:01:52.660 that it's working to a quote-unquote evolved definition of fully vaccinated. We know they're

00:01:58.720 talking about having up-to-date vaccination where having two doses of Pfizer or Moderna doesn't

00:02:04.240 actually mean all that much but we also know they're seeing Canadians grow more and more wary

00:02:09.440 and I'd say grow more and more weary too. The Canadians are weary and wary right now. We're

00:02:14.980 we're all the wearies of, not Aaron Wary at CBC, we're not turning into him, but we're weary of

00:02:20.240 the restrictions. We're wary of government making them. And I think government realizes this, that

00:02:24.720 it no longer has the legitimacy to impose all of these different restrictions and mandates on

00:02:30.020 people. So September 30th, I'm getting this from the Globe and Mail. I also have heard other

00:02:34.400 whispers of this, and we'll have some updates as well as the show goes on. So to the producers

00:02:40.320 working behind the scenes, if you see anything on this, shoot me a note before the show ends.

00:02:44.980 What I wanted to talk about originally, which now I guess seems relatively inconsequential, but still, I try to give the people what they want, is the descent of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau into what we can only effectively call Jukebox Justin.

00:03:00.700 If you haven't seen the clip right now, where the heck have you been? But here it is just for posterity. Here is our Prime Minister in the lobby of the Carinthia Hotel in London.

00:03:14.980 so that was theoretically bohemian rhapsody again he didn't even try for the really high note which

00:03:33.580 is unfortunate i i feel if you're going to do bohemian rhapsody you owe it to yourself

00:03:38.100 you owe it to queen and you owe it to the people watching to go up instead of going down but

00:03:43.520 Justin Trudeau decided to play it safe because, you know, apparently there is still some there is still some semblance of shame and self-awareness that when he is in the United Kingdom for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's state funeral, which is a rather somber affair for a member of the Commonwealth and for all of the other leaders of government and heads of state there.

00:04:03.840 And he decides, you know what, what the world really needs right now to break through the sadness of Her Late Majesty's passing is an unsolicited vocal solo by the Prime Minister of Canada in a London hotel lobby.

00:04:19.500 Now, we have to talk about the baby steps towards progress here.

00:04:23.140 We have to talk about the little victories.

00:04:25.000 He was not in blackface.

00:04:26.980 This is a little victory.

00:04:28.860 He was not wearing the outfit that would be more fitting on a Bollywood bridesmaid.

00:04:34.020 Again, step in the right direction.

00:04:36.560 He wasn't throwing himself down the Corinthians grand lobby staircase,

00:04:41.360 which is his go-to party trick, as we've learned for much of his adult and adolescent life.

00:04:46.220 No, he was just singing, just singing.

00:04:48.700 So you may say, well, it's not a huge deal.

00:04:51.060 That's been the Canadian media's response to it.

00:04:53.280 But what's interesting is that when you look at how other people around the world see it,

00:04:57.240 They actually are embarrassed by this.

00:04:59.480 They think that Jukebox Justin has, in fact, embarrassed Canada on the world stage once again.

00:05:06.380 This was just to give one example here, a clip from Jesse Waters' show on Fox News.

00:05:13.820 Justin Trudeau decided the best way to honor the Queen's legacy would be to fly to London, wear a T-shirt, get drunk at a British pub, and do karaoke.

00:05:24.760 Okay.

00:05:27.240 now i thought that clip was a bit longer but nevertheless what was happening here is justin

00:05:34.860 trudeau decided to do this now i don't know if he was drunk or not i think when a lot of people

00:05:40.560 like the daily mail used the word drunk as well in its headline and jesse waters used the term

00:05:45.060 drunk i think what a lot of people need to realize is he does that sober like he does that sober so

00:05:51.240 you think that just based on behavior alone he's drunk no he actually does that sort of stuff so

00:05:56.880 let's not give him credit that this was alcohol-induced, when I think we can say this was

00:06:01.440 just Trudeau-induced. But Jukebox Justin decides to sing, decides to sing Bohemian Rhapsody.

00:06:08.980 And the foreign media, whether it's Fox News, the Daily Mail, even the Telegraph in the UK,

00:06:13.500 which is not an explicitly right-wing paper, they were talking about how this was an embarrassment.

00:06:19.080 And you look at Canadian media, and what Canadian media decided to do was really just start making

00:06:25.160 excuses. You had all of the usual suspects from CBC and CTV line up and saying, is this really

00:06:31.240 what we're worried about? Does anyone really care? Is this really a problem? And look, as far as top

00:06:36.360 10 scandals of Justin Trudeau, certainly even top 10 scandals of Justin Trudeau embarrassing

00:06:41.800 Canadians on the world stage, I'd say this is relatively low on the list. But that's far more

00:06:49.100 of a reflection of Justin Trudeau than it is of the circumstances, that he's done just many things

00:06:54.820 that are more embarrassing than this.

00:06:57.400 And this isn't really something

00:06:58.760 that in the grand scheme of things

00:07:00.760 stands up as being the most embarrassing.

00:07:02.840 No, I think India was much worse. 1.00

00:07:04.580 I think the whole package

00:07:07.020 of India scandals and controversies,

00:07:09.080 not just the costumes,

00:07:10.600 but also inviting a convicted terrorist along,

00:07:13.160 I think was fairly embarrassing.

00:07:14.740 I think Trudeau's many snubs

00:07:16.280 or attempted snubs at Donald Trump were embarrassing.

00:07:19.360 Now, those ones maybe

00:07:20.280 curried him some favor a little bit.

00:07:22.620 But I think what we're talking about here

00:07:24.440 is a guy who continues to do this. And my question is, is there anyone on his team that is prepared

00:07:31.580 to say no to him? Is there anyone on his team that's prepared to say, you know, listen, Prime

00:07:36.820 Minister, I know you really want to sing. Maybe you could sing in your room. Maybe you could just

00:07:43.240 go on YouTube and, you know, Google Bohemian Rhapsody karaoke, and you could just have a little

00:07:48.680 quiet contemplative solo to yourself. Why do you need to be the center of attention in this way

00:07:53.880 at Her Late Majesty's state funeral.

00:07:56.280 Again, I mean, if he were to do this on some rant,

00:07:58.460 like he's in New York right now for the UN.

00:08:00.660 If he were to go to some New York karaoke bar and do this,

00:08:04.060 I would probably roll my eyes,

00:08:05.720 but I'd say, all right, well, who the heck cares?

00:08:07.860 He's there for a state funeral.

00:08:10.320 It's an official state visit.

00:08:11.760 He is representing Canada,

00:08:13.720 not just in a figurative sense, but in a literal sense.

00:08:16.860 And we're all to believe that the Canadian media

00:08:19.360 is only interested in defending him.

00:08:21.940 They're not even interested in covering the story.

00:08:23.880 They're not interested in really getting to the bottom of the why.

00:08:27.340 Maybe you can't.

00:08:28.200 Maybe that would be a fruitless task.

00:08:30.720 But it's absolutely insane that everyone else around the world, even as far as journalists

00:08:36.180 are concerned, is prepared to say the obvious.

00:08:39.460 But it's the epitome of like the emperor is wearing no clothes here with the Canadian 1.00

00:08:43.860 media. 1.00

00:08:44.300 They're all, I mean, we're all the kid looking saying, I mean, he's clearly an idiot. 1.00

00:08:48.500 And they're all saying, oh, well, no, it's great. 1.00

00:08:51.320 Everything's fine.

00:08:51.980 He's wearing the clothes.

00:08:52.800 he's doing this like Scaramouche, Scaramouche. Yeah. And look, I find that it's not about joyless

00:08:58.640 pearl clutching. It's not about saying, oh, the prime minister is not supposed to have a

00:09:01.860 sense of humor. He's not supposed to let loose. But when Stephen Harper decided to bust out and

00:09:07.000 sing and play the piano, it was always at an appropriate point. It was at an appropriate

00:09:13.380 point. And that's the difference here between what's happening in the Justin Trudeau context.

00:09:19.380 And by the way, let's just take a look at the reception he's getting, because I remember when he was getting heckled and booed and jeered during the federal election campaign, he blamed it on the unvaccinated.

00:09:31.480 He blamed it on the far right and he blamed it on people sowing discontent and discord and all of that.

00:09:37.180 But this is what happens when Justin Trudeau is walking around in England, a foreign country.

00:09:49.380 now i have a lot of family in the united kingdom i've spent a lot of time in the united kingdom

00:10:12.400 if you haven't that's okay boo is not a britishism for we love you justin keep up the good work

00:10:19.000 You may think it is. You may think the boo is just British for we love you, vote liberal, build back better.

00:10:24.880 But believe it or not, in England, boo means the same as it means here, which is we do not like you.

00:10:31.700 Now, do I believe that people should be jeering in front of a world leader in their own country when they're there for a state visit to pay respects to the sovereign?

00:10:41.520 No, I don't believe that we should politicize that.

00:10:43.980 But I also feel that if he is politicizing it first, if he shoots first on the politicization

00:10:50.500 game, they have a right to say, you know what, we're going to give you a bit of a heckle

00:10:54.680 when you're walking from point A to point B.

00:10:56.800 So the aspect of this that is far more unique than Justin Trudeau just doing this is the

00:11:03.080 media response to it or the media non-response.

00:11:05.900 And at first, this was only circulating on social media.

00:11:09.260 And I was amazed.

00:11:10.080 I mean, the PMO explained this.

00:11:11.820 the first comment they gave was to Joe Warmington of the Toronto Sun.

00:11:16.680 And they said, well, yes, you know,

00:11:18.100 but the reason he did it was because the pianist had the Order of Canada.

00:11:21.560 Like their explanation was, well, yes,

00:11:23.480 but it was like an Order of Canada recipient that was playing the piano.

00:11:26.580 And then lots of people were joining in.

00:11:28.460 So why wouldn't Justin Trudeau join in?

00:11:30.200 Why wouldn't the prime minister just start belting away

00:11:32.980 two nights before the Queen's funeral?

00:11:35.420 And I'm like, well, yeah, when you put it like that,

00:11:37.060 I guess he really had no choice.

00:11:38.980 Isn't that the case?

00:11:39.820 that, you know, this was, this all just sort of happened. So eventually if this sort of gains

00:11:44.080 steam, what we're going to find is like every other Justin Trudeau scandal, this is going to

00:11:49.760 be a learning opportunity for all of us, everyone except him. It'll be, well, you know, I can see

00:11:54.820 how we all need to learn to do better. And we all need to think of when it's appropriate to sing.

00:12:00.240 And we all need to reflect on when it's appropriate to belt out Bohemian Rhapsody and whatnot. And

00:12:06.100 by the way this this is neither here nor there but i have to point it out if you're going to do

00:12:12.440 a song in this sort of forum let's not do the most overused song by queen at karaoke don't do

00:12:20.720 bohemian rhapsody if you like that do under pressure do don't stop me now don't stop me now

00:12:26.440 would have been a great one except the problem is that justin trudeau couldn't get away with

00:12:29.740 singing don't stop me now because all of us would have tried to stop him very early on so

00:12:34.920 i guess that's where we're going with this in any case i wanted to shift away from london hotel

00:12:41.300 solos back to canadian politics on home soil here we covered a little over a week ago the

00:12:47.820 conservative party of canada's leadership results in which pierre polyev very handily won the

00:12:54.040 leadership party of canada on the first ballot and what we see now is i think a big question

00:13:01.320 about the place that the Conservative Party of Canada has in Canadian politics and what that

00:13:07.080 means for the broader conservative movement and libertarian movement. So I wanted to bring in

00:13:11.900 Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada and a good friend of this program,

00:13:16.620 on to discuss this. Maxime, good to talk to you. Thanks very much for coming on today.

00:13:25.000 Maxime, can you hear me?

00:13:27.220 Hello, Andrew. Can you hear me?

00:13:29.180 Yes, I can hear you. Welcome. Thank you.

00:13:32.780 So let's start with the big question here.

00:13:35.560 I mean, the PPC had a very strong showing in the last election compared to 2019.

00:13:41.060 You nearly tripled the share of the vote you had.

00:13:44.700 When you are looking at the road forward, how do you expand on that?

00:13:48.680 How do you grow the party even more?

00:13:55.980 Oh, I don't know if we have Maxine Bernier. 0.89

00:13:58.080 I see Maxime. I don't hear Maxime. All right. We will hopefully get that sorted out. I apologize

00:14:05.500 for that. Believe it or not, I should just say on a technical note, we were having some issues with

00:14:10.460 the former service that we used to do our live broadcast. So we did a bunch of research and

00:14:17.580 found a new service that we could use and we tested it. We did all that other stuff. And here

00:14:22.600 we are now and are experiencing another problem. So that one may not have been with the system.

00:14:26.020 And that may have been a user error.

00:14:28.140 We're going to look into that and get Maxime Bernier back on the show any moment now.

00:14:32.160 But I do want to just discuss in general the context here because we had a poll that came

00:14:36.920 out earlier today and it was from Nanos.

00:14:40.640 And I want to just get the numbers accurate here because in this poll, we saw that the

00:14:44.900 Conservative Party of Canada had 31% support.

00:14:49.040 Now, this is with a sample size of 1,000, and it is a poll that had a, again, a sample size of 1,000.

00:14:58.640 It was conducted over September 9th to September 16th, and this is, I think, an important window

00:15:03.440 because this is when people knew that Pierre Polyev was going to be the Conservative leader.

00:15:07.960 And 31% said yes, they would vote Conservative if the election were held today.

00:15:12.700 28% said they would vote for the Liberals.

00:15:15.740 So we're still talking about within the margin of error here, but it means that all of like the really evil, scary, fear mongering of the Conservatives hasn't necessarily translated to polling.

00:15:28.000 And again, it's one poll early on.

00:15:30.380 But in this poll, we also see the People's Party of Canada at, I think, 3%.

00:15:35.120 So a bit of a decrease from the last time.

00:15:37.680 So I want to talk about this.

00:15:39.080 I think we have Maxime Bernier on again.

00:15:41.660 Maxime, can you hear me, sir?

00:15:43.340 Yes, I can.

00:15:44.060 Thank you very much, Andrew.

00:15:45.020 All right. Good to talk to you, Maxime. So I was just talking earlier about this poll that came out from Nanos today showing the Conservatives at 31%, PPC at 3%. It's one poll. You never want to extrapolate too much. But what do you think is the strength or health right now of the PPC?

00:16:02.700 Well, it's a big difference between us and the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:16:06.880 I believe that, you know, there's a lot of difference between us and the Conservative.

00:16:11.840 They have a new leader. Yes.

00:16:13.600 That new leader, Pierre Poliev, is more popular than Andrew Scheer or the other leaders that they had before.

00:16:23.340 And I believe that Pierre Poliev is more intelligent than O'Toole and is a better communicator.

00:16:28.900 So I think that's good news for the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:16:33.000 But also, the big difference between us and the Conservative is the way that we are doing politics.

00:16:39.360 As you know, we are doing politics based on ideas and conviction.

00:16:43.740 And, you know, it's not because something is not popular or politically correct that we won't speak about it.

00:16:50.220 We will speak about the values that we believe are very important for the future of this country.

00:16:55.440 And the Conservatives and Polyev are doing politics based on survey and polling. 0.99

00:17:02.000 And Polyev was very popular during the last leadership contest because he spoke like a

00:17:07.820 conservative.

00:17:09.000 Actually, O'Toole did that also.

00:17:12.580 And he said, I'm the true blue.

00:17:14.220 And Polyev, you know, you need actually to speak like a conservative during a conservative

00:17:18.780 contest.

00:17:19.660 And now Polyev will want to have more support.

00:17:23.420 And I believe that they will do some compromise with their ideas, but also he's not speaking about something that is very important for Western Canadians and the alienation from Western Canadians.

00:17:36.280 They are fed up with the federal government that is not respecting the Constitution and, you know, doesn't do anything to build pipelines.

00:17:46.100 And also, Polyeb didn't speak about the equalization formula. That is very important for all Canadians.

00:17:52.660 we must be less generous, we must change the formula. So we have a lot of policies that are

00:17:57.300 very different than the Conservatives. I can add climate change. Pierre won't impose a carbon tax,

00:18:03.380 I understand that, but he will have to impose more regulations. For us, we won't sign the Paris

00:18:10.180 Accord, we will withdraw from that Paris Accord. So there's a lot of distinction and we'll see what

00:18:16.820 what will happen in the near future.

00:18:19.440 I heard anecdotally from a lot of people

00:18:22.280 in the last two federal elections,

00:18:24.300 but certainly the last federal election

00:18:25.900 when the PPC did very well,

00:18:27.900 almost tripled its vote share over 2019.

00:18:30.700 And I heard people say things like,

00:18:33.040 well, I'm going to vote PPC,

00:18:34.840 but if someone like Pierre Polyev or Leslyn Lewis

00:18:38.100 were the leader of the Conservatives,

00:18:40.480 if someone like Pierre Polyev or Leslyn were there,

00:18:42.880 I would vote Conservative.

00:18:44.160 So now that is there.

00:18:45.120 And a lot of people, for example,

00:18:46.400 that were supporters of the convoy and supporters of the PPC have now a choice between two politicians

00:18:52.660 who were there and speaking about mandates. So how do you recapture or hold on to some of those

00:18:58.440 people that voted PPC that were actually not supporters of the Conservatives last time, but

00:19:05.860 might be this time? Oh, I believe we have lost Maxime Bernier again. He is

00:19:16.120 still he's he's faded to black on the screen so he's actually doing a very good Justin Trudeau

00:19:20.740 impersonation but in any case we'll we'll get Maxine back there very shortly and I do very

00:19:25.900 much apologize for these technical issues folks I guess one thing that I would point out on this

00:19:31.940 which is important is that there's a big discussion about whether the PPC support in 2019

00:19:38.420 and let's actually just talk about 2021 this was the last election whether the PPC support

00:19:44.140 was an example of building on 2019 or whether it was really a case of the right party at the right

00:19:51.340 time with vaccine mandates and vaccine passports and a lot of angst and frustration about the

00:19:56.540 pandemic and people channeling that to really the only party and the only leader who was talking

00:20:02.400 about that and that was Maxine Bernier the conservatives were nowhere to be found on that

00:20:06.900 issue so the question is in 2021 when you had a lot of people that said yeah you know what I wish

00:20:13.320 Aaron O'Toole were talking about vaccine passports. I wish, or I mean, talking about them in a way

00:20:17.800 that was critical of them. I wish Aaron O'Toole was talking about vaccine mandates. Maxine Bernier

00:20:22.640 as they vote for him. That is a big, big difference of, I think, the political discussion that will

00:20:28.180 be taking place when the next election comes. And I mean, again, there's always this possibility of

00:20:33.300 having some snap fall election, some snap fall election that we could see that comes, oh, I don't

00:20:40.120 know the end of october perhaps in november but i don't i mean i've said on the record i don't

00:20:45.000 think we're looking at a fall election here i think we're probably looking at an election that's

00:20:49.500 going to be in a year in two years maybe even in three years it all depends on whether this

00:20:55.620 like liberal ndp alliance slash not really coalition but kind of a coalition holds up

00:21:01.380 and i mean the ndp is just perennially afraid of its own shadow they don't want an election which

00:21:07.060 is why you get the NDP jumping up and down saying, oh, you know, how dare the liberal and

00:21:11.600 conservatives do this? And I'm like, well, you know, Mr. Singh, you're the one who's propping

00:21:15.860 up the liberals here. You're the one that's keeping them in power. So all of this is to say,

00:21:22.140 all of this is to say that right now we are looking at a political environment that is still

00:21:27.700 very much shaped by the COVID situation, a political environment that is still very much

00:21:32.940 shaped by the pandemic environment and people that are not happy with the restrictions and even with

00:21:39.000 that story i mentioned a few moments ago at the top of the show from the globe and mail that the

00:21:43.780 government is as of september 30th going to drop the vaccine requirement for entry uh but like so

00:21:50.300 like the whole point is that this stuff still hangs over people like the sword of damocles

00:21:57.560 it still stands up like this big, giant fear that we're going to be plunged right back into

00:22:03.760 the world of 2020 and 2021. And again, we have, I believe, and I'm crossing my fingers here,

00:22:09.320 Maxime Bernier back on the line. Maxime, thank you for your patience. The question that I was

00:22:14.660 asking you before we got disconnected was how you take the showing that the PPC had in 2021,

00:22:20.620 nearly triple what it had in 2019, and build on that when a lot of PPC supporters that I've spoken

00:22:26.620 to, said, you know, I would vote for the Conservatives if they had a leader like Pierre

00:22:31.080 Polyev, or if they had a leader like Lesley Lewis, and the Conservatives do have Pierre

00:22:35.400 Polyev now.

00:22:37.180 I believe that we will grow.

00:22:38.980 Actually, we did that in the past from 0% in 2018, 1.6% in 2019, 5% at the last election,

00:22:46.560 you're right.

00:22:47.260 And I don't know what will be the issue for the next election.

00:22:50.460 And I believe that we won't be in election in this fall.

00:22:54.260 It can be in a year or two years.

00:22:55.980 That being said, if it's the immigration, we are the only party that is speaking for saying no to mass immigration, for sustainable immigration.

00:23:05.020 Polyev and Trudeau and Jack Mead are on the same wagon on that.

00:23:11.220 They want more and more immigrants.

00:23:13.420 That can be a subject of our next campaign.

00:23:15.860 It can be also the economy.

00:23:17.820 We don't know.

00:23:18.720 But we have strong policy, and that can be the future of our country.

00:23:22.360 As you know, right now in Alberta, there's an independence party in Alberta, 32% of Albertans want to separate. And we are the only national party that is addressing that, saying we need to have a radical decentralization. We need to give more autonomy to provinces. We are speaking about that.

00:23:42.820 So I don't know what will be the main issue at the next election, but we will be there.

00:23:47.900 We have the same platform, and that will be the same one.

00:23:50.900 And I don't know what will be the platform of the Conservative Party of Canada, because

00:23:54.780 like I said before, they will do polling and focus group before the election, and after

00:23:59.820 that, they will do some compromise, try to have more votes in Ontario and Quebec.

00:24:05.180 As you know, there's more seat in the GDA than in all Alberta.

00:24:08.720 So that's why.

00:24:10.100 Let's wait and see.

00:24:11.360 But for us, people understand we are doing politics differently.

00:24:15.260 We will always be the same and always fight for what we believe, for a smarter government

00:24:20.360 that will respect provincial jurisdiction and respect our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:24:25.960 I know it's a question you get asked all the time, and I know it's an annoying question,

00:24:30.600 but I think the audience also is very interested in your answer to it.

00:24:33.780 So I hope you'll indulge me, Maxime.

00:24:35.720 But the idea of a merger, because we've seen the right split in the past in history

00:24:40.580 when the Reform Party was born out of the Progressive Conservative Party

00:24:43.880 and eventually they came together as the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:24:47.800 What are the circumstances that would need to happen

00:24:49.840 for a PPC Conservative Party of Canada merger

00:24:52.800 if something like that would ever happen under your leadership?

00:24:56.820 I want to use the example that you just used in the past,

00:25:00.140 you know, the Reform Party of Canada.

00:25:01.660 Yes, the Reform Party of Canada did merge with the,

00:25:04.900 at the end it was the Progressive Conservative Party,

00:25:09.360 but in between the Canadian Alliance as you know but what is the legacy of

00:25:14.520 Stephen Harper we had 10 years and I was part of that of a conservative government

00:25:19.920 what is his legacy I can name only ending the with board that's it and so you

00:25:27.060 know we won't do that mistake we will always fight for what we believe we

00:25:30.900 cannot trust the conservative party of Canada we don't dare conservative when

00:25:35.540 they are in the leadership contest and after that we don't know with O'Toole

00:25:40.100 we knew he went he went all the way to the left

00:25:43.820 Polyev would do that maybe a little bit later so it's not my responsibility to

00:25:49.340 help elected conservative candidates my responsibility is to help our

00:25:54.540 candidates or PPC candidates to be elected so answering your question we

00:25:59.980 won't merge because what happened in the past you know we are the new reform

00:26:04.760 party 90 of our platform it's based on the old blue book the reform party so we won't do any

00:26:12.180 compromise with our ideas and we won't do the mistake that president manning did one thing that

00:26:18.820 i would ask you about the pbc and i know that you have a lot of things in your platform that touch

00:26:23.200 on a number of issues from indigenous issues to ending supply management and so on but i last time

00:26:29.840 I mean, overwhelmingly, when I went to your rallies and I covered you on an Alberta tour and when I interviewed you, the biggest topic was vaccine mandates and vaccine passports.

00:26:39.420 And this was an issue that no one else in Canadian politics was speaking up on.

00:26:44.100 It was only the PPC. And I commend you for that, Maxime.

00:26:47.200 If those issues are not live issues in the next election, how do you get people who might have only been introduced to the PPC because of that to stick around?

00:26:57.300 I think the ending the mandate, it's not, you know, we still have to work on that.

00:27:03.940 Actually, tomorrow I'll be in the court in Ottawa with Brian Pettford. We are fighting for our

00:27:09.860 rights to freely travel across this country against the vaccine mandates that Trudeau imposed

00:27:15.700 to us on unvaccinated Canadians. And it's important to do that fight in the court,

00:27:20.660 because we want to have a legal precedent. And like that, it would be impossible for

00:27:25.220 any government to impose these kind of mandates on canadians so we are doing that fight also in

00:27:31.060 the court but yes you're right maybe at the next election it won't be coven 19 and i hope it won't

00:27:36.900 but that being said there's a big difference with us you know climate change now we are living in a

00:27:42.180 climate hysteria everywhere we are the only party that is saying no and we will withdraw from the

00:27:47.540 paris accord immigration it's another big challenge mass immigration at the roxham road in quebec

00:27:54.340 people are staying crossing our border illegally we are the only party that is speaking against 0.99

00:28:00.340 mass immigration for sustainable immigration a maximum of 150 000 a year with the big majority

00:28:07.220 of them being skilled immigrants the conservative won't speak about that because it's not popular

00:28:12.900 like polyev didn't speak against the mandate because it was not popular in 2020 polyev is an

00:28:18.660 opportunist politician and he's speaking about things when they're popular for him the most

00:28:24.100 important it's not to be on the right side of the current issue is to be on the popular side and

00:28:30.980 that's what the that's why i said the conservative party is intellectually morally corrupt they don't

00:28:36.580 fight for real conservative values and we are doing that and that's why and i'm very pleased

00:28:42.180 right now that polyam is speaking against the mandate it's a sign that the freedom fighters

00:28:47.460 that are truckers that ourselves and all the freedom fighters across the country

00:28:52.580 won the battle because yes we were a french minority in the beginning in 2020 and after

00:28:58.900 two years now we are part of the majority so for polyette he can speak about it and he's doing that

00:29:05.380 so i don't know what will be the issue next time but the bbc will be there always to fight

00:29:11.300 for a smaller government that will respect our rights and respect the autonomy of every province

00:29:18.220 Just before I let you go, Maxime, I wanted to ask you about this little victory you had in Saskatchewan this week.

00:29:23.600 Now, oftentimes it's hard to affect change directly when you're not in Parliament.

00:29:27.920 But you and one of your lieutenants in Western Canada, Kelly Lawrence, had posted this on Twitter.

00:29:35.400 And it did very well that the Saskatchewan Public Health Line, I think it's like 511 or 811 or something, had on its main menu, you know, press one if you want to speak to a nurse, press two.

00:29:45.360 number five was if you want help with assisted death you press five and this is the number that

00:29:50.680 people were dialing if they had a mental health crisis as well and in your advocacy on this they've

00:29:56.540 actually removed this now yeah i'm very pleased with that it took them a couple of weeks but the

00:30:02.780 common sense has prevailed and that's important they were promoting assistance suicide and when

00:30:09.380 they're doing that actively the federal the provincial government was doing that actively

00:30:14.640 When you know that in our healthcare jurisdiction right now and healthcare system, it's not working well.

00:30:23.540 We have wait time for surgeries and long waiting lists.

00:30:27.520 So that being said, when you're promoting that, and the goal of that number 811 is for you to have the medical assistance,

00:30:36.400 not to have somebody that will tell you, hey, if you want to die, by the way, we can help you.

00:30:41.420 Yeah, just press 5.

00:30:43.440 Yeah, press 5.

00:30:44.380 i was very pleased that they understand and and that was a victory for us but not only us

00:30:51.420 common sense people canadians that called the minister and said hey you must stop that

00:30:56.220 i voted for that legislation when i was a member of parliament but now we need to we need to change

00:31:05.020 that legislation because it must be more restrictive now they're promoting that and

00:31:10.540 And it's not only at the end of the life when it was supposed to be,

00:31:14.660 when you have an extreme medical situation.

00:31:18.600 And I think that we must review that legislation to have put more restrictions

00:31:23.840 on the use of that option for Canadians.

00:31:28.140 Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada.

00:31:31.140 Always good to talk to you, Maxime. Thanks for coming on today.

00:31:33.980 Thank you, Andrew. Have a nice day. Bye-bye.

00:31:35.920 All right. And you as well, Maxime.

00:31:37.700 And again, I'm sorry about the technical issues we encountered there, but glad we moved beyond those.

00:31:43.560 Maybe it's like C11 in action already where you bring a PPC leader on and it just like the line goes dead.

00:31:49.280 So not that like Justin Trudeau is standing with the scissors, but at the Ethernet cable.

00:31:53.880 But in any event, we have also, by the way, I should say in the interest of fairness here, we cover the broader conservative with a small C movement in this country.

00:32:02.220 We've asked Pierre Polyev to come on the program now that he is conservative leader, and the spot is available to him should he decide to take us up on it.

00:32:10.200 We're very glad that Maxime Bernier did, and it's good to talk to him.

00:32:14.940 So I just want to, before we wrap things up here, talk about this very small—actually, it's not a small issue, and I'm sure we'll delve into this later in the week on Fake News Friday, Harrison Faulkner and I.

00:32:26.700 But CBC ran a story yesterday. It's a slippery slope, how young men fall into online radicalization.

00:32:35.260 Now, when I saw this, I'm like, oh, it's going to be another one of these like evil far right sort of things.

00:32:40.120 And that's exactly what it was. But they took it and went like so bizarrely with it here.

00:32:46.820 And if you read the story, it centers around this one guy who's 21, a man by the name of Reed Brown, who's like a reformed right wing radical, I guess.

00:32:55.840 He says, or the article says,

00:32:57.740 Reed Brown remembers the first time

00:32:59.580 he got sucked in by the algorithm.

00:33:02.420 He was just 13 watching videos after school

00:33:04.860 when YouTube started pushing him

00:33:06.400 to controversial content.

00:33:08.740 Ooh, see that?

00:33:09.820 It's controversial content.

00:33:11.860 As time went on,

00:33:12.620 the videos became increasingly extreme,

00:33:15.600 says Brown.

00:33:16.640 Now, what does he mean?

00:33:17.640 What's an extreme video?

00:33:20.300 Well, as he says,

00:33:21.840 it started out pretty benign.

00:33:23.740 You're watching something about teen fashion

00:33:25.600 and then the next thing you know,

00:33:27.640 the algorithm would push you to a propaganda video

00:33:30.340 about Adolf Hitler.

00:33:31.920 Oh, wait, no. Hang on.

00:33:35.580 What is this?

00:33:37.200 Oh, the next thing you know,

00:33:38.720 the algorithm would push you to a Ben Shapiro video.

00:33:43.140 Okay, but then did it get extreme?

00:33:45.320 No, that's where it ends.

00:33:47.220 So he saw a Ben Shapiro video on YouTube

00:33:50.880 and he's concerned that it was radicalizing

00:33:54.000 and it was extreme.

00:33:55.600 and this is how the cbc reporter decides to editorialize this though shapiro describes

00:34:02.280 himself as a conservative political commentator his views are controversial and some are outright 0.98

00:34:07.740 discriminatory he suggested for example that transgender people suffer from a mental disorder

00:34:14.240 in scare quotes well whatever you think about trans politics and policies gender dysphoria which

00:34:22.340 is at the core of transgenderism is in the dsm which is the diagnostic guide for psychiatric 0.94

00:34:29.520 conditions so it's not outright discriminatory it's a statement of fact now how you respond to

00:34:35.100 that fact is something that we can all disagree on and agree on perhaps it's what you do about

00:34:40.160 bathroom policy gender confirming surgery all of that but to say that it's outright discriminatory

00:34:46.000 and radical seems like a bit of a stretch and the author throws like a little bit of a bone he says

00:34:51.860 well Shapiro is not affiliated with any hate group oh gee thanks experts in media gender studies and

00:34:58.660 the radicalization of young men say that the commentator's content is prevalent in online

00:35:03.580 extremist communities so it's the old like logical fallacy they teach you in first year philosophy

00:35:09.280 the you know Hitler is a vegetarian uh I'm a vegetarian therefore I'm like Hitler or something 0.77

00:35:15.120 like that it's like so because someone liked a Ben Shapiro video and they might be extreme

00:35:19.700 you're extreme and because reed brown didn't like it it's radicalizing so i'm starting to feel like 0.99

00:35:25.080 i'm like desperately trying to connect the dots here but i don't even think there's like a crayon

00:35:29.280 with enough wax to like get from one dot to the other because they're so far away and i posted

00:35:34.760 about this on twitter and i had said i think not uncontroversially that this is a potentially

00:35:41.280 defamatory thing the author of the piece a man by the name of brock wilson ended up like seeking

00:35:47.620 me out and responding to me on Twitter. I didn't tag him or anything. I wasn't interested in a 0.97

00:35:52.080 Twitter fight, but he responded and decided to take issue with what he says was a bad faith

00:35:58.420 tweet on my part. And what Brock Wilson says is, it was a three-part tweet. He said,

00:36:04.320 it feels disingenuous to suggest this is defamatory or that the piece says,

00:36:10.380 simply watching Ben Shapiro amounts to radicalization. It says no such thing.

00:36:14.600 In fact, I explicitly state that Shapiro is not affiliated with any extremist groups.

00:36:20.020 Well, I say, look, you say that he became, you say that Reid Brown's videos were increasingly

00:36:26.180 extreme, and that's a lead in to a quote where the most extreme thing mentioned, if you can

00:36:31.840 even call it that, is that the guy saw a Ben Shapiro video on YouTube.

00:36:35.440 So yeah, you did say it, and you can't say you didn't, and this is just an absurd hatchet

00:36:39.800 job by cbc and if it is defamatory i hope ben shapiro does in fact file a lawsuit against cbc

00:36:46.240 so uh to talk about uh cbc defunding which maxine bernier has argued he wants to do pierre paulieva

00:36:52.040 has argued he wants to do it perhaps this could be like exhibit a on that that does it for us

00:36:57.000 for today we'll be back in a couple days time with more of canada's most irreverent talk show

00:37:01.800 this is the andrew lawton show on true north thank you god bless and good day to you all

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