Justin Trudeau claims to support the right to protest
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In this episode of The Lawton Show, host Andrew Lawton is joined by Conservative Party of Canada Leadership Candidate Joseph Borgel to discuss the ongoing push for a return to a mask mandate in Ontario, and why it would be a bad idea.
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welcome to canada's most irreverent talk show this is the andrew lawton show brought to you by true
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north hello and welcome to you all this is another live edition of canada's most irreverent talk show
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you are tuned into the andrew lawton show here on true north it is uh i have no idea when it is i
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was off for a week and i just realized that i have no idea what day it is what time it is i think it's
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four o'clock eastern i think it's a tuesday and my computer is telling me it is april 12th so
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I hope you are alive. Believe it or not, some people listen to me because they think I have my
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stuff together. Well, hopefully I will on the things we discuss in the time we have together
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today. We're going to be joined later on in the program live by conservative leadership candidate
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Joseph Borgel, who is a Saskatchewan entrepreneur and business owner. We'll talk about the leadership
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race with him. And I also want to talk about the never-ending story right now, which is governments
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wanting to impose more restrictions and more lockdowns, even when you think you're in the
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clear. This has been the story of the pandemic, is that you're never in the clear, you're never
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out of the woods, you are never free from the grasp of government that wants to plunge you
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back into the same fear and panic and paranoia that were ubiquitous and pervasive across the
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country and the world circa March, April 2020. And to this end, I want to share a clip of Kieran
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Moore. Now, if you're not in Ontario, this is not your chief medical officer of health, but for
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Ontarians, this is the guy, the so-called top doctor, which by the way, was a line that no one
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had heard of before 2020, which is now like the, it's now a job title in and of itself. You know,
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Ontario's top doctor, Saskatchewan's top doctor, Canada's top doctor, and take from all that what
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you will. But Kieran Moore says, now just to set the stage here, Ontario has been mask-free for,
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Ontario got rid of the vaccine passports, maybe it was six weeks ago, so it hasn't even been two
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full months that Ontarians have been free of masks and free of vaccine passports, notably because I
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suspect Ontario's government is heading into re-election mode. That is probably why people
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get a little taste of freedom, the so-called crumbs of liberty. But we haven't even had two
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months of freedom yet, and this is what Kieran Moore says in his first briefing.
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we will not be reinstating a broad mask mandate at this time we should all be prepared that we
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may need to resume a requirement for mask wearing in indoor public spaces if a new variant of
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concern emerges a threat to our health care system or potentially during the winter months
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when COVID-19 and other respiratory viruses are likely to circulate again
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ooh did you hear that it's well we're not doing it at this time we're not doing it right now
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maybe do it later we're not doing it right now but the part of that that i want you to focus in on
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is the part at the end where he says well yeah new variants might bring back the mask mandate
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but also the winter months when we're dealing with covid and other respiratory illnesses
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So all of a sudden, the mask mandate will become part of the annual flu season, I fear.
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And anyone that says, oh, you're being a conspiracy theorist, just cut that.
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I think at this point, we've determined that conspiracy theorists are just people that
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So the one thing that is going to happen here, inevitably, is that more and more of these
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things that we warned were conspiracy theories, like the return of vaccine passports, like
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the return of mask mandates are things that just become the norm. So it's basically the Alberta
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situation where you may have recalled Alberta last year was open for summer. Canada Day in Alberta
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was great. The Calgary Stampede was great. You had no masks. You had no vaccine passports, none of
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that. And then come the fall, come the fall, all of a sudden Alberta is plunged into restrictions
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that had previously been sworn off. So this is what it's looking like is taking place in Ontario
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where you get to enjoy your summer, you get to have a mask-free, vaccine-passport-free
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election season, and then once the election's over, all of a sudden the new variant of concern
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comes out, and we're right back into the paranoid mode. Now, the whole point of this, and the reason
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I focus on Kieran Moore here, because what he's saying is, I think, something that is probably
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speaking for leaders of other provinces as well. I think this idea that a mask mandate, a return of
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the mask mandate being around the corner is not limited to Ontario, but also because he's been
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in the middle of his own miniature conspiracy of sorts, or controversy, I should say, not a
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conspiracy, not yet anyway. Although actually, no, I shouldn't say that because people are turning
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this into a conspiracy. So Kieran Moore, according to, I think it was City News in Ontario, was away
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in the Dominican Republic last week. And he was there because, you know, he's been the so-called
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top doctor. It's stressful. You want to kick back in the Caribbean. That's his MO. He wants to do
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that. No issues. I'd rather be in the Dominican right now than in Canada, I assure you. But he
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comes back. City News reports on the fact that he was in the Caribbean. And I want to read the story
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for you. The first two lines. Ontario's top doctor. There it is. Top doctor. Ontario's top doctor was
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on vacation in the Dominican Republic last week. City News has learned, while there are no travel
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advisories to prevent Dr. Kieran Moore or anyone else from traveling to the Caribbean, his trip came
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as the sixth wave gained steam in Ontario, and as calls grew for him to address Ontarians about
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surging COVID-19 case counts. So this is called, I mean, the lead, he went on holiday. The second
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line, there is no restriction in place, no recommendation or advisory in place that should
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prevent him from going on holiday. But we're in the midst of a sixth wave, the article declared.
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And yes, Theresa Tam this morning declared that we are in the midst of a sixth wave. Kieran Moore
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has said we're in the midst of a sixth wave. And people want to keep that over you like the
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sword of Damocles. They don't want you to feel like everything is normal again. There was a guy,
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I won't share it because I just have no interest in giving him any airtime, but there was one of
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these COVID paranoid, COVID zero loons that was tweeting that Kieran Moore should be strung up
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on Quarantine Act charges because he has been back in Canada and isn't masking for 14 days. So they
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believe that you should be wearing a mask. And I actually looked it up and it is technically true.
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The Quarantine Act says even if you're vaccinated and exempt from quarantine, you have to wear a
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mask in any public spaces for the first 14 days when you've returned home. So they're saying they
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want him charged with violating the Quarantine Act because he dared to be in public for this
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COVID briefing, this press conference without wearing a mask. But that's what people are up
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against. Now, when I shared that clip on Twitter yesterday of Kieran Moore, I had some people
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saying, well, he's just trying to throw a little bone to the people that don't want COVID to end,
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that don't want COVID restrictions to end, people that were very optimistic, very trusting,
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giving the government the benefit of the doubt, saying, no, no, no, they're committed to reopening.
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They just know that some people are uncomfortable with it. So, you know, they want to just tell
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them that, yeah, they're monitoring it. And I'm, at this point, going to say that we should never
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give the government the benefit of the doubt about anything. Certainly not COVID related,
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certainly not civil liberties related. But I think that, I mean, of all the things that I
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would say with certainty that we shouldn't give the government the benefit of the doubt
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is something I think we can own and stand by very much very significantly and all of these
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restrictions here all of these restrictions still exist and I know I've harped on this point in the
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past but it's still very much in force right now since I've been back for off for a week and back
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in that people are trying to claim restrictions don't exist they're trying to claim that oh yeah
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you can come into the country without quarantining. You can go into a restaurant without a mask. You
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can go into a restaurant without flashing your vaccine passport. Life is back to normal.
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First off, it's not back to normal if you are unvaccinated. So the idea of doing what Kieran
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Moore did of coming back into the country and not having to quarantine, you can't do that if you're
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unvaccinated. If you're unvaccinated, you have that restriction in place. If you are American,
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So in that way, you're not back to normal at all.
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You can't board a plane if you are unvaccinated.
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You can't go back to work, working for the federal government.
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You can't do all of these things if you're unvaccinated.
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And I'm going to keep bringing that up because there are a lot of people that have just been
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completely satisfied cementing this segregation in place because they either don't see or don't care
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that life is not back to normal business as usual for a segment of the population who
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like them or not deserve and have rights as humans as Canadians so that's a big part of it
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and also it's the the sort of Damocles analogy I mentioned earlier when government is dangling
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over your head the threat of more restrictions the threat of reimposing things that from which
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are now supposedly free that ain't freedom you can say well yes we're free of vaccine passports
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and mask mandates but when governments are saying well you know if another variant comes along we're
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going to put them back in you're really not free from them it's like oh you know you put your left
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hand in your left hand out your left hand in you shake it all about like maybe we'll do restrictions
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maybe not maybe we'll that's not freedom that's not life that's not normalcy and i know that
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government cannot legislate its ability to legislate. I've heard people say, well,
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government needs to put in a law saying there are no vaccine passports ever again. The whole point
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of that is that it doesn't matter because government can just as easily pass the law
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reversing that. It's unless you bake it into the constitution or unless you have a right
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recognized as constitutional, which may happen in the course of some of these court challenges.
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But unless you do that, government has to just basically be told by people, we will not abide by this.
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Government has to be told by citizens, we will not stand for this.
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And that's a big part of what the trucker convoy protest was about.
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There's a reason that a lot of these convoy protesters are still protesting.
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They're having these family gatherings in towns and cities across Canada.
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they're keeping the spirit of the convoy alive because they realize that there is a cultural
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shift that still needs to take place. And I want to talk about the importance of this.
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Justin Trudeau has been giving me just talk radio gold this week, just completely ignorant to his
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own track record. I'm going to play two clips. The first one is the one of him. Well, I'm going to
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do it in two different ways. First off, I'm going to play the clip of him in Victoria because he was
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in Victoria, B.C. and a bunch of anti-vaccine mandate protesters. I don't know how many of them,
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but they showed up to tell him, hey, you know, we're not fans of what your government is doing.
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And a reporter asked him about it. And this is what happened.
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An expectation that there'll be protesters this afternoon at City Hall. The mask mandates and
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vaccine mandates are essentially over. And yet there remains this cultural divide, if you'll
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you'll call it how what would you say to those protesters today uh first of all i don't know if
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this is a good thing but i i can't remember a trip to victoria city hall in which there weren't
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uh a few people expressing their uh concerns about about some issue or other and it's really
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important that canadians continue to be able to come out and express their views express their
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disagreement with uh with government uh protests should always uh be legal they should be legal in a
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a safe and uh and responsible way and that's exactly what we're going to continue to encourage
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so i'm uh looking forward to seeing what's on people's minds as i i uh go to meet with
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the mayor and and uh and see people at city hall protests he encourages people should always be
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able to say what's on their mind and protesting should always be legal okay um i feel like he's
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forgetting something i'm trying to remember was there like a story a couple of months ago there
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was something that oh yeah remember when he invoked the emergencies act to crack down
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on a peaceful protest that was taking place steps from his office remember that remember when he had
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police going in and arresting journalists, arresting protesters, using a wartime law,
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the Emergencies Act, the Update of the War Measures Act, to stop peaceful protests.
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And before you say, I mean, I've had people that have said to me on Twitter, well, it wasn't
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peaceful. They were honking horns. It wasn't peaceful. They were blocking streets. I'm like,
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well, first off, none of those things are violent. And the horn honking was kind of a red herring
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when it's not directed at him in any substantive way.
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He supports the right of Indian farmers to protest.
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He supports the right of radical environmentalists
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in a way that's making everyone across the country and across the world notice like the
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trucker convoy was doing. He doesn't support that protest. There's a reason that other people still
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to this day in the United States and Europe remind Trudeau and remind Canadians and remind their own
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citizens of what happens when these phony freedom lovers, these phony freedom lovers like Justin
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Trudeau speak up and say, oh yes, we're all about rights. We're all about human rights, human
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dignity, the right to free speech, the right to free protest, well, they behave in ways that are
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antithetical to those values. And again, this is how Trudeau pontificates without looking in the
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mirror. This is another clip of him warning of what he says is the real threat to free societies.
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When Canadians and friends from around the world stand for Ukraine, we are standing for Ukraine,
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But we are also standing for ourselves, for these values that have been undermined over
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the past years with the rise of authoritarianism, with attacks on the social cohesion because
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We have an opportunity now as a world to stand for what is right.
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So now, again, everything is a learning opportunity.
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He can't just stand up to Ukraine or standing up for Ukraine.
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There's a Freudian slip because it's the right thing to do.
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It has to be this dramatic stand against populism and nationalism.
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There's nothing as nationalistic about, you know,
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waving flags and making your profile picture a country's flag and slaying.
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My Ukrainian is terrible, but like Slava, Ukrainian,
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Like that is the epitome of nationalism, of rallying behind a country. So again, there's
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good nationalism and bad nationalism. If you're standing up for Ukraine, that's good nationalism.
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If you're standing up for Canada and freedom, it's bad nationalism. It's good nationalism when
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people do it for the reasons Trudeau likes. It's bad nationalism if, you know, Trump supporters
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stand up for freedom in the United States. Then it's, oh, populism and over-nationalism and all
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of that, there are degrees of it. There's, you know, under-nationalism, there's national
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nationalism, there's regular old nationalism, and then there's over-nationalism. And any protest,
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you have to figure out where it fits in Trudeau's hierarchy of nationalism and populism. And I would
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encourage you to look at Candace Malcolm's interview, when was it, last week, I think,
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with Preston Manning, because they talk about populism. And a lot of people do not, I don't
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want to get, you know, insanely boring on this, but a lot of people don't understand that populism
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is not a morally negative word. It's not as charged a term as people like to think. Populism
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is politics for the people. And it's not inherently right-wing either. I mean, that's the great irony
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is that you can be a left-wing populist. You can be a right-wing populist. You can be a populist
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that defies branding on the political spectrum because the policies are rooted in the people.
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And Rick Bell in the Calgary Sun had a great column about this just, I think it was a week ago or so. And Danielle Smith mentioned it in her newsletter that if you look at the history in Western Canada, and we'll be talking to a Saskatchewan would-be politician very shortly, but a lot of the populist movements were farmers movements.
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They were, in many cases, politically on the left.
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If you go back to the progressives of, I think, like, what, 1920 or 1919 or something like
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that, the Progressive Party of Alberta, the Progressive Party of Saskatchewan, and then
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the United Farmers, and even the CCF, not the Canadian Constitution Foundation, but
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the, what was it, the Commonwealth Cooperation Federation, the precursor to the NDP.
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the NDP has been historically a populist party not as much now it's more ideological Bernie
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Sanders very much a populist socialist there's a reason that there was so much overlap between
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Bernie Sanders supporters and Trump supporters because this idea the left-right divide that
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we've structured our political discourse around just does not cut it solutions for people have
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to be a lot more complex than well it's a left-wing policy a right-wing policy and the
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vaccine mandates have been a reshaping of that. A lot of the people who have come out of the
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woodwork to support the PPC in the last federal election, to support the Freedom Convoy, to some
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extent people that have supported Pierre Polyev's leadership campaign, these are not people that are
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traditional conservatives, certainly not capital C conservatives. These are people who are allure,
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they find the idea of freedom alluring in terms that aren't conventionally
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politically conservative. I mean, there's a story I've told and I'll share it again. A woman I met
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in Edmonton, it would have been September when I was out West or might've even been August,
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but I think it was September. And she was at a Maxime Bernier rally. I think she might've had
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a PPC shirt on or someone there did. And I spoke to her and she looked like just an old school
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hippie she had like a gemstone on her forehead she told me she's like i'm married to a woman my
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kids are homeschooled because we teach them about new earth education and it's very spiritual and
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i'm listening to this and then she she's talking about why she's voting ppc and i said have you
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ever voted conservative in your life and she laughed never never in a million years because
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she's not a conservative but the media would have looked at her and said oh you're far right
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And the media had decided to call the PPC far-right,
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I wasn't going to talk about it in too much detail today,
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for the trucker's convoy disqualifies him from being a party leader. And it wasn't just a slip
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of the tongue. It was something that he owned and he put out clips on and put out statements on,
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and he's continued to post on social media. Jean Charest's position is that if you are
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for the trucker convoy, you do not support the rule of law and therefore you don't get to be
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the chief lawmaker in Canada. That's basically his view. And listen, I don't know if it's going
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to work? Is it strategy? Is it what he believes? Is it a bit of both? It's clearly deliberate. It's
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clearly a position that he's prepared to own. So Jean Charest is trying to be the anti-convoy
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conservative in a time which all of the other candidates, well, maybe not all, but most of the
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other candidates were very convoy sympathetic. I mean, I last interviewed, with the exception of
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my interview with her on the show a couple of weeks ago, I last interviewed Leslie Lewis when
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I literally just saw her walking the streets of Ottawa during the convoy. Pierre Polyev was out
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there, I think, giving coffee to truckers. Roman Babber, I don't know if he was ever there, but he's
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certainly been speaking out on the same message of them, criticizing vaccine mandates and vaccine
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passports. So all of this is to say that right now, the Conservative Party is desperately trying
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to figure out which space of Canadian society it's going to occupy. And remember, Erin O'Toole did
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not do this particularly well. He was not giving an answer. He was unable to give a clear answer
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early on of whether he supported the truckers or not. And this was very important because clearly
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in his caucus, there was an understanding that we cannot be on the sidelines as this uprising,
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this movement takes hold. Because they understood either because they genuinely believed it or just
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saw that the conservative base was a key part of this. They understood they couldn't be at the
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side of the road while the truckers were going by. And this was why Aaron O'Toole was outflanked
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by members of his own caucus. I think it was Martin Shields, who was the first one. He did
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this video at the Centennial Flame on Parliament Hill, and he said, I'm here. Truckers, come and
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get me. We're here. We're ready to greet you. And then it was just a cascading effect, and Aaron
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O'Toole just didn't have the ability to resonate with this thing that was taking place. And I know
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when you see Jean Charest take aim at the convoy, you just know that this is going to become the
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chief attack that a lot of the people on the left are going to try to throw at the Conservatives,
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maybe not in 2025. Admittedly, maybe this won't be top of mind in three years or two years or
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whenever the campaign starts. But I do know that this is something that the left now sees as a
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liability. They see what Jean Charest was saying. Support for the convoy is disqualifying of being
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a leader. And I don't know if that's going to cut it. And I've always been very distrustful of
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polls that have been done on this because I find that polling very much lacks the nuance.
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Polling lacks the nuance that is so necessary when you're talking about these things. And again,
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like a lot of the polling or, you know, do you think the truckers are being disruptive to life
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in Ottawa or something like that? It's like, well, yeah, when you frame things in certain ways
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like that, you're going to get a skewed result. And it's why there were, I mean, there were polls,
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I should have pulled them for the discussion today, but sometimes I just go in directions
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that I don't know I'm going to go. But one of the things that was fascinating
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is that there were polls that were saying, I think two thirds of Canadians support the truckers.
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And then there were polls that said, you know, two thirds of Canadians oppose the truckers.
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And it's like, well, how can you look at, I mean, are the samples just that wildly different?
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Do you have the same questions that are being asked and it's just being asked to different
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people? Or is it that you're just not capturing into the sentiment? You're not adequately
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capturing people. And this is, I think the huge section of this discussion that's missing
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And when I was going out and interviewing people
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you wouldn't believe how many people were so nervous
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because, you know, I go up and I had a cameraman
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and I had a microphone and some people knew who I was
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I was going there to say to people, why are you here?
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And their immediate fear is that they're about to be attacked.
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That was the perception that people have when they see a reporter that, oh, this is someone
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And I do not support what we saw of people harassing and heckling reporters.
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The way you make your point is by selling your point, not by berating others.
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And all it means is that, you know, people like Evan Solomon and David Aiken and Sean O'Shea,
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they just have all of these footage, all of this footage of people yelling at them,
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So I thought that was wrong, but I understood with all the media coverage we saw,
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all the dishonest coverage about the convoy, why people were so distrustful of the media.
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Because you have these people that genuinely, genuinely do not get it.
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There's a story I tell when I do public speaking sometimes, depending on the topic.
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And it's Selena Zito is the name of the reporter who was a lecturer at Harvard a couple of
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And she was also a journalist and columnist with the New York Post.
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And she took all of these students in her class to a town in Massachusetts.
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I forget the name of the town, but a small town.
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it's called the main street project and they spoke to the you know people at the gun range they spoke
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to the people that own the restaurant the people that go to the local church and afterwards they
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all come back and break down and everyone says oh yeah i loved it they were all so nice they were
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all so friendly i love their way of life oh grandma's pie was great i'd never shot a gun that
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was interesting and then the teacher tells them okay well that town you know 90 of them or whatever
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voted for Trump. And all of these urban coastal liberals who are studying journalism, studying
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politics, they've never in their lives knowingly talked to a Trump supporter. And they not only
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did, but enjoyed talking to them. They had a good time with them. They found them to be human.
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And there's a significant part of this that we need to see. Sometimes it's coming from a place
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of ignorance. Sometimes it's coming from a place of ignorance where what happens is you just again
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have grown up in a little urban bubble where you have no idea that there's this other world that
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exists. And other times it's coming from a place of malice. Just on the firearms thing, I've
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obviously as a gun owner have tried to be an ambassador for gun owners to other people that
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have never encountered it. And there are people that know a heck of a lot more about guns than I
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do that have made a point of this as well. I did my firearm safety program, which you need to get
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your gun license through an initiative of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, where what
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they do is they bring journalists out and for free, they teach them firearm safety. And it's
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great. And I thought that more and more journalists needed to do this. So there was a time when
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someone I knew was going to do the same thing. And I reached out to a bunch of lefty journalists
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that I knew and said, hey, you know, do you want to come out to the gun range for a day and, you
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know, handled guns. And a couple of people were like, yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun. I think
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it would be good to do that. And there was one person who said, nope, I don't like guns. I don't
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want to like guns. I don't want to touch them. I don't want anything to do with guns. I don't want
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anything to do with guns. That was basically his position. And he's, of course, the most anti-gun
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of the bunch. And he's the one most prone to making factual errors about guns in his reporting.
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And I'm not going to say where this took place.
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But the reason I share that story is so you know that there are some people that have
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just never had the opportunity to be exposed to a way of life or a type of person.
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And there are others that deliberately want to close themselves off to this.
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And there were reporters that were doing great work at the convoy, that were going out actually
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talking to people, actually trying to understand them.
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I mean, some of the most tremendous work to come out of the convoy was Rupa Subramanias' report.
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Rupa was, well, he is a National Post columnist, but she also is someone who wrote for Barry Weiss's
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Substack. And what Rupa did was go out there and just talk to the people. She just spoke to the
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people. It was so simple. And it was at the same time so subversive as a result. Because you had
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these people whose stories simply weren't being told. And that's why I've always enjoyed the
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platform that we have at True North, telling people whose stories are often not told by the
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mainstream media. And we'll certainly have more of that as the week goes on. I'm going to be doing
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an in-focus look at, well, I hope it's in focus. It's going to be in-depth anyway on Western
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alienation and the brewing fight over Jason Kenney's leadership. That's going to be coming
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up later in the week. But we are continuing to cover the conservative leadership race as well.
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And in that, I want to talk to one of the candidates who's not gotten a lot of coverage at all.
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And in our invitations, we had said, you know, once you submit your paperwork to be a candidate, we'll have you on the show to talk about why it is that you're running.
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And it's my privilege to have on Joseph Borgel, who is an entrepreneur from Saskatchewan, who joins us now.
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Joseph Borgel, good to talk to you, sir. Thanks very much for coming on today.
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So you've not held elected offices, I understand, correct?
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Why are you running to be the next prime minister?
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Because the country is headed in the wrong direction and has been for a long time now.
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and I feel that I have the strength of moral character, the vision, the competency skills,
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the executive leadership skills to be able to get the country back on the right track again.
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We often hear this idea, and I ask all the candidates this, that we have a big tent
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Conservative Party of Canada in this country that has in it the social Conservatives,
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the libertarians, the populists, the foreign policy conservatives, the red Tories, the blue Tories.
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Where do you put yourself in that so-called tent? What's your brand of conservatism that you'd bring
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as leader of the CPC? Well, I describe myself as an honest, truth-seeking, principled,
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fiscal and social conservative. That's how I would describe myself. Wherever the truth goes,
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that's where I go, you know. So I think, and truth is above left, right, center, you know,
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planes fly with a left wing and a right wing and a fuselage. And so that's how truth is,
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you know, the principles of flight matter. And, you know, for a plane to try to just fly with
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a right wing, I think it's going to be in a lot of trouble. So one of the things I noticed,
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and we've been talking about the the convoy effect in canadian politics here you've been
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very clear i think you were in ottawa for the convoy for part of it if memory serves and you
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you've said you know no to vaccine mandates no to digital id you're certainly speaking to a lot of
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these issues that have come up why is it you feel that they are not being adequately represented
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by other candidates or in canadian politics in general well i've always learned you know don't
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look at what a person says, look at what they do. When we were in Ottawa, we were trying to get a
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hold of, we had prepared a PowerPoint presentation for the government, for the Liberal NDP or
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Conservative politicians, anybody that would want to see what the kind of the demands of the truckers
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were and it was all had to do around ending the mandates and the logic why the science why we were
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in touch with all attempted to contact all those politicians including Pierre Polyev and none of
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them returned our calls or got back to us so you know actions speak louder than words you can talk
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about freedom and just keep repeating the word freedom but if you don't know how you're going
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going to give Canadians their freedom back. And if you've done nothing in your past to stand up
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for Canadians' freedoms, I just have a little bit of trouble with understanding how Canadians would
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support people who talk the talk, but don't walk the talk. And I walk the talk. Now, you've been a
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member of the Conservative Party of Canada for quite some time. About how long? 46 years.
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so okay so even the the pc party originally yes and and when the split happened were you
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a reform alliance supporter uh yeah i would i wanted to see what i wanted to see them come
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back together around principles you know i think unless we govern our country in a principle in an
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honest truthful and principled way i cannot see how we will ever get our country back on the right
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track and what I see with the current crop of politicians, and I've seen that for years and
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I'm learning even that about Stephen Harper. The question is, are you loyal? Are you there to serve
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the Canadian people? Or are you there to serve some foreign entities, corporations? So, you know,
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I would be there to serve the Canadian people, not the World Economic Forum or the UN or the
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World Health Organization. As a matter of fact, I feel all of those organizations are corrupt right
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now. Now, when you talk about serving, are you talking about your belief that Canadian politicians
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are, you know, ideologically on side with these organizations? Or do you think they're actually
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beholden to them, that these institutions, these groups are pulling the strings in a direct way
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on Canadian leaders? Well, you know, it's like when it comes to some of the members of the
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Conservative Party, I don't have personally any hard factual evidence that they're affiliated
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with the World Economic Forum. But I would ask them in a debate, I would ask them,
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you can't serve two masters. Are you going to be there to 100% committed to serving the Canadian
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people? Or are you going to be serving the World Economic Forum, the UN agenda, the World Economic
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form because the country has really been run over the last two years what we've dealt with with
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covid the you the world economic uh the world health organization was calling a lot of the shots
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in terms of uh pardon the pun the shots uh in terms of all these mandates that we dealt with
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and if you'll ask me some questions about that i'll answer we would have never under my leadership
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we would have never shut the country down. That was outrageous. I don't even know the words to
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describe what went on. There has to be a criminal investigation, is to put it simply. I believe
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there was criminality behind that. Now, I'm not one of these people that cares about other
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people's vaccination status. You can disclose or not disclose. That's up to you. But just as a
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matter of practicality, right now, unvaccinated people cannot board planes. And I know Maxime
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Bernier has said the leader of the PPC that he can't run a national campaign right now as a
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national party leader because he's not able to travel the country in the most convenient way
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is that an issue that you think you'll have to contend with well it absolutely is uh you know
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thank god I love to drive but I think it's an unfair aspect of it and I would I would not take
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an experimental and you know just like i never put guns to my head with bullets in them i'm not
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going to take an experimental injection that is known to kill and severely injure people so why
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would i do something like that i'm not going to risk my health or my life uh to travel the country
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i'd rather drive all night than do that so your belief is that the covid vaccine is uh basically
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your belief is that people are taking their life into their own hands if they take it well i just
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follow the science. I'm pro-truth in science. So I've done my research on it. And just off the
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VAERS system, the VAERS and European system, over 65,000 people died within taking two weeks of
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taking the injection and millions have been injured. So these aren't out of my lips. These
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are the statistical facts. Most of the people that I've spoken to, and I don't want to generalize too
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much here, but they've said their position is against mandates, that it should be an individual
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choice, whether someone gets vaccinated or not, whether someone does any number of things that
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are of medical suggestion or recommendation or advice to them. But you're taking a view that
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the vaccine itself is a problem. Well, you know, I respect like the view I take is I'm all about
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upholding the rule of law. And I believe that the rights to make medical decisions and all rights
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are rights given to us by our creator and not by governments.
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that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.
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those rights were given to us by our creator, not by government.
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And so government has no right to take those rights away from us.
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if they believe the government that they want to and they want to take on that experimental gene
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therapy, I go for it. I 100% respect every Canadian's freedom of choice, but don't try to
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force me to make medical decisions against my free will. I consider that violations of the
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Criminal Code of Canada. And under three sections, you know, extortion, assault, and consent. And I
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think that that's what's happened in this country, forcing people to make decisions, medical
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decisions, experimental medical decisions against their free will. I believe that's criminal.
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On economics, you've also taken a view that government should not have a carbon tax. I mean,
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that was one that you came right out with here. But I want to also give you an opportunity to
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explain, just from a Western perspective, because I know that you are, with the exception of Mark
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Dalton in BC, the only candidate, I think, from Western Canada here. How are you going to speak
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up for this part of the country? Well, like if I were a premier, unlike the politicians we have
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today, I would be governing for all Canadians based on a set of principles, recognizing God
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is our creator, the relentless pursuit of truth on every issue that we deal with, gathering the
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facts to discern the truth of the matter. And so as it relates to Western Canada, if there are
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in fact injustices taking place, and I believe that they are, what the energy sector primarily
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based in Western Canada has been under attack ever since Trudeau took office. And so there are
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some bills there, C-69, C-48, to me, I would be, we would take a close look at them and anything
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that is, any legislation that is out of alignment with our core values and principles and out of
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alignment with the truth and out of alignment, core value and principle is justice and fairness.
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And I think every region of the country has to be treated justly and fairly, because otherwise
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we're going to have what we have now, western alienation. That was created by the Trudeau
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Liberal NDP coalition. And so to me, wherever there's injustice and unfairness, and wherever
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we're out of alignment with the truth in science, or we would get rid of that, any of that type of
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legislation. And I am 100% against the carbon tax, because as a businessman that has been working
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diligently for 40 plus years to keep jobs in Canada, all the carbon tax is doing is it's
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making Canadian manufacturers, Canadian companies, Canadian oil and gas sector uncompetitive with the
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rest of the world. And so what's happening, it's driving the jobs over to China. China produces
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over 60% of its electricity with coal-fired power plants that are not nearly as regulated
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to prevent pollution of the natural, of the atmosphere.
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all we're doing is actually increasing pollution in China
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with the carbon taxes that we have here in Canada.
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but I wouldn't expect anything different from Justin Trudeau.
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I think it's something that Justin Trudeau, to his great detriment and to Canada's detriment,
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You've got the Maverick Party federally, which didn't really achieve all that much in the
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But I think provincially, through the Wild Rose Independence Party, you see a little bit
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What's your view of the Western independence movement?
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And how do you, assuming you do want to keep the Canadian Federation together, how do you
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tell Albertans that, no, you can still trust in Canada as a country?
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Well, obviously, the only way you build trust with people is by telling the truth. And we've had the exact opposite out of, you know, out of Justin Trudeau's lips, you know, how do you tell he's lying when his lips are moving? You know, there's been so much. And so that's breaking the trust of Canadians, period.
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Whenever you have politicians that are not telling the truth and not there to serve the Canadian people, of course, you're going to have Western alienation.
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And so I feel that it's on us, those of us who are rational, logic, honest people with integrity, with a moral compass, who work off of deductive reasoning and logic.
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It's up to us to get our message out to Canadians and to convince the majority of Canadians to elect honest, truth-seeking, moral, principled politicians.
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And I think that that's what's required to unify the country.
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No one region of the country should be treated more fairly.
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I believe that Justin Trudeau and the NDP Liberal Coalition,
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if any of the information we're gathering is true at all,
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they're there serving the World Economic Forum, the UN agenda, and the World Health Organization.
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And so right there, you have a major conflict of interest.
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These politicians are not there to serve the Canadian people, and unlike them, I would be there to serve the Canadian people. No foreign entity. I'm not a member of the World Economic Forum. I have zero interest in being a member of them. They would never control me, nor would the UN or the World Health Organization.
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We would be making decisions in Canada with our own doctors and scientists and our own professionals doing what's right for the Canadian people, not what's right for some bunch of globalists or, you know, or foreign organizations that are unelected that are not there to serve the Canadian people.
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on housekeeping the conservative party of canada has six official candidates that it's approved to
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run in the race and candidates have to put forward i think three hundred thousand dollars plus
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hundreds of signatures from members i understand you've submitted your your initial application but
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where are you in the leadership process as a prospective candidate well the the application
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went in last week and so I had no trouble going through the application. There's nothing in there
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that would disqualify me. The signatures were about 65% of the way, 60 to 65% of the way on
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the signatures. So I think there's a good chance we're going to get there on the signatures. If
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there's a bit of a challenge it's on the fundraising uh we're probably we may be uh about
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25 to 30 25 percent of the weight so to anybody that uh likes what i'm you know the message that
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i'm speaking um you know i would really appreciate the donations because i'd love to stay in the race
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I'd love to be on the, well, I'm in it to win it for one thing, but to get past the April 29th, Canadians that are hearing my message are going to have to open their wallets and donate to my campaign if they want to see me stay in the campaign past April 29th.
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Joseph Borgel, Conservative Leadership candidate from Saskatchewan. Thanks very much for coming on today, sir.
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thank you on andre andrew for having me i appreciate it very much no that we should
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do andre actually i should do an entire french version of the show thanks very much sir for
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for coming on good to speak to you and as i've mentioned time and time again we're going to
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continue to interview all of the leadership candidates and going to have this and also
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some announcements uh in the next little while about how we're going to be covering this race so
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my thanks to joseph for coming on and all of you for tuning in let me know what you think about this
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or anything else, we will make sure to keep you up to date on all that's happening in Canadian
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politics and beyond and try to be a continued voice standing up for freedom here. But we'll
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talk to you all soon. This is The Andrew Lawton Show, Canada's most irreverent talk show here
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