Juno News - Justin Trudeau has invoked the Emergencies Act

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to another live True North special.

00:00:08.440 My name is Andrew Lawton, senior journalist here at True North,

00:00:11.960 joined by my friend, colleague, and boss Candice Malcolm,

00:00:15.840 as well as our tremendous editor and investigative reporter Harley Sims

00:00:19.860 as we talk about the historic invocation of the Emergencies Act in Canada by Justin Trudeau.

00:00:26.400 And I don't use historic in the positive celebratory sense here.

00:00:31.220 As you're going to hear over the next few moments, this is a very significant and not for the better development in Canada.

00:00:38.820 Before we get the discussion going, I just want to play the clip of Justin Trudeau from less than an hour ago announcing the measures he's taken in Canada.

00:00:47.760 this is act is not something that's been used ever but it exists for a reason

00:00:57.860 invoking the emergencies act is never the first thing a government should do

00:01:03.820 nor even the second the act is to be used sparingly and as a last resort

00:01:11.400 right now the situation requires additional tools not held by any other federal provincial

00:01:21.660 or territorial law today in these circumstances it is now clear that responsible leadership

00:01:30.920 requires us to do this these measures must be and will be compliant with our charter of rights

00:01:40.780 and freedoms indeed the emergencies act was created in the late 80s to flow from and uphold

00:01:48.460 the charter we'll always defend the rights of canadians to peaceful assembly and to freedom

00:01:55.260 of expression but these blockades are illegal and if you're still participating the time to go home

00:02:04.060 is metal.

00:02:07.480 There's a lot in that clip

00:02:09.320 that we're going to unpack

00:02:10.760 as well as other things

00:02:12.420 that have been announced

00:02:13.120 by the government,

00:02:14.100 notably Chrystia Freeland.

00:02:16.140 But just to give you

00:02:16.900 the top line here,

00:02:17.980 the Emergencies Act

00:02:18.980 is the successor act

00:02:20.920 to the War Measures Act.

00:02:22.100 It's not fair to say

00:02:23.240 it's martial law,

00:02:24.440 but as you heard

00:02:25.300 Justin Trudeau say there,

00:02:26.620 we're talking about an act

00:02:27.920 that he's invoking

00:02:28.680 because he thinks

00:02:29.460 government needs more powers.

00:02:31.820 What is the emergency?

00:02:32.740 It's not Russia and Ukraine on the verge of war.

00:02:35.920 It's not a global pandemic.

00:02:37.740 It's not anything of the sort.

00:02:39.460 It's truckers.

00:02:40.500 That's the emergency right now, truckers.

00:02:42.880 As mentioned, Candice Malcolm and Harley Sims are here.

00:02:45.640 Candice Harley, thanks so much for joining me for this discussion here.

00:02:49.980 I want to start with you on this, Harley, because I know you've been covering the civil

00:02:54.460 liberties beat for True North quite well, and I'm so grateful, and I think Canada is

00:02:59.920 grateful for the work you're doing on this.

00:03:01.480 But explain to me what this means to you, as someone who is focused on that, to hear Justin Trudeau say the issue is that the government doesn't have enough power.

00:03:16.020 Well, we've already heard that four provinces have come out and said they're not with Trudeau on this because they believe he already does have all the powers he needs to do what he wants.

00:03:25.780 As far as people on the ground, we're talking about protesters who have been flying flags, setting up hot tubs, playing music, having sermons on Sundays, laying on their horns a bit, although they haven't been doing that.

00:03:45.220 we're not talking about terrorists, we're not talking about murders, we're not talking about

00:03:50.880 the things in 1970 that caused Pierre Trudeau to bring in the War Measures Act.

00:03:58.140 I don't understand why this would be necessary other than this is the Trudeau equivalent of

00:04:05.000 beating his chest. Enforcement is the issue, and enforcement is the issue because the police who

00:04:11.200 on the ground see who these people are they see that they're peaceful they see that they have

00:04:16.880 legitimate concerns with government overreach and do canadians or the rest of the world really want

00:04:22.880 to see police go in and bust the heads of people waving flags and shouting for freedom i don't

00:04:27.840 think so but honestly because trudeau is completely unwilling to go meet with these people like a

00:04:32.880 decent person this is all he's got it's all he's got is to run to the courts and try to get another

00:04:37.840 piece of paper and wave it around and hope somebody out there will go and enforce it for them

00:04:43.760 yeah that is a significant point here and and i won't play the entire clip because it is quite

00:04:48.560 long and i want to be sensitive to our audience and not wanting to hear that many minutes of

00:04:51.920 justin trudeau more than is necessary but he he says this is a last resort for governments

00:04:58.080 i don't know how you position this as a last resort when what should be the first and most

00:05:03.520 obvious resort let's talk to the people that have these grievances has not been even considered by

00:05:09.600 the government so far as we can tell candace explain where you approach this issue from

00:05:14.480 as far as what it means for for canada bigger than the convoy bigger than covid and justin

00:05:19.360 trudeau but what it means for the country that this is now what the government views as an emergency

00:05:25.600 well andrew i am in complete disbelief at as to what is going on in our country right now

00:05:31.040 the country is in a state of emergency and it is not because a group of freedom-loving

00:05:37.680 truckers started a movement ignited a movement that has spread to every corner of the planet

00:05:42.480 where people now refer to convoys uh freedom convoys as canadian inspired or canadian protests

00:05:50.240 because canada represents freedom that is what our country represents to people all over the world

00:05:55.520 here in canada we have a prime minister that doesn't respect the rule of law the very basics

00:06:00.480 of the rule of law the police were refusing to uphold his unjust laws they weren't doing what

00:06:06.320 he wanted and now he is doubling down having a temper tantrum and saying do it now i'm going

00:06:13.440 to give even more powers to a police and a military that have been at this point unwilling

00:06:18.080 to enforce his unjust laws so the fact that he would even do this is an assault on our country

00:06:26.080 he didn't need to he could have met with them he could have agreed to the conservatives

00:06:29.760 who put forth a motion today to say let's have a timeline to remove these mandates and get back to

00:06:34.560 normal he refused he refused to compromise on anything to do with mandates and freedom and

00:06:39.600 instead he's doubling down on a military state which is something i would have never believed

00:06:45.040 a liberal government would be the one marching us down this path justin trudeau used to wrap

00:06:50.240 himself in the flag in the chart of rights and freedoms and now he's spitting on it and it is

00:06:54.640 repulsive to see people going along with this reports we're seeing that they're talking about

00:06:59.360 how you can how this will give powers to seize bank accounts to suspend licenses to put people's

00:07:06.080 livelihood in further jeopardy just for peacefully protesting i mean what is the emergency that he's

00:07:11.680 talking about they they were blocking the ambassador bridge and the police the court

00:07:18.480 issued an order to break that up it took about a day but they broke it up so what is the pressing

00:07:23.440 issue at this point in our country what is the pressing issues that justin trudeau can't deal

00:07:27.200 with a couple of hundred people in ottawa holding off and saying no we're going to stay here until

00:07:32.320 we get our freedoms back i mean trudeau just absolutely poured gasoline on this fire he

00:07:37.760 escalated the situation to an incredible degree he's dividing the country even more i think

00:07:44.080 february 14 2022 will go down in infamy i hope it's the day that justin trudeau loses control

00:07:49.920 of this of the country and that canadians say enough is enough but i i think it'll go down

00:07:54.640 history as something perhaps the end of canada being a western liberal democracy but i'm in a

00:07:59.920 state of disbelief right now yeah this is like a valentine valentine's day massacre on due process

00:08:05.120 and civil liberty you mentioned the financial aspect here and i think that's where the real

00:08:09.600 dangers are because a lot of people their mind immediately goes to 1970 flq crisis soldiers in

00:08:15.920 the streets and i think that at this point it's important to know the military has not been called

00:08:21.040 in. The military hasn't seemed to want to be called in. But I want to draw attention to what's

00:08:26.200 happening here outside of the, you know, the streets of Canada, what's happening in sort of

00:08:32.220 the financial dimension, because that's where I think that the due process and civil liberties

00:08:37.200 aspects are particularly acute here. So Chrystia Freeland said just, I don't know, half an hour ago,

00:08:43.100 25 minutes ago, that the government is going to expand under the Emergencies Act, its anti-money

00:08:48.980 laundering rules so that anything falls under its purview that's connected to crowdfunding

00:08:55.480 including crypto so bitcoin was where the convoy organizers went after they had their funds frozen

00:09:02.100 by court order gofundme cancelled their account the banks cancelled and froze their accounts they

00:09:06.780 went to crypto and now the government is saying that they're going to put all of that under their

00:09:11.340 anti-money laundering rules so they're trying to go after these crypto exchanges but here's where

00:09:16.740 gets really dark, Chrystia Freeland said banks will have to determine if people are working with

00:09:21.800 the convoy and report them to the RCMP if they are, and then can shut down their accounts without

00:09:28.480 a court order. And then she went on to say that if your truck is at the protest, so if they find

00:09:34.960 your truck, they run your license plate, they can freeze your bank accounts and take away your

00:09:40.340 insurance. You've not been charged. You've not been convicted. You might not even be there.

00:09:45.940 But if your truck is there, the government can freeze your assets without a corridor.

00:09:52.380 So this is beyond arrest.

00:09:54.880 This is going after people's livelihood in a punitive and completely totalitarian way.

00:10:01.280 And I mean, we know that the Emergencies Act is supposed to be subject to the charter in theory.

00:10:06.400 But I'll ask you, Harley, on this.

00:10:08.220 I mean, the charter has not really been of much protection or use to Canadians in the COVID era.

00:10:13.400 So are you optimistic it's going to be now?

00:10:20.440 Sometimes a laugh can be worth a thousand words.

00:10:23.280 I think it's funny to hear Justin Trudeau even say the words Charter of Rights and Freedoms at this point, saying, you know, we're going to abide by it and answers to it.

00:10:32.060 And it's, again, it's just the difference between the way someone like him operates and the way people like the truckers think.

00:10:44.900 Rather than go talk to your neighbor who set up a fence, you go straight to the courts.

00:10:49.920 That's the kind of person that Trudeau is.

00:10:51.520 He won't go talk to somebody.

00:10:52.860 He won't go sit down with them.

00:10:54.820 He's forgotten there's a difference between dislike and disrespect.

00:10:57.700 you know like he could have gone up and talked to them and then uh given a token effort to

00:11:03.960 understand their concerns and then gone back and done this anyway he didn't do that uh he completely

00:11:09.920 disrespected them from the start uh it's and i know we've been talking about this recently about

00:11:15.840 you know some members of the legacy media saying that the canadian flag is being tarnished as a

00:11:20.880 symbol uh the word freedom is being tarnished as a symbol what we're looking at here is an

00:11:26.000 existential delegitimization of a class of people. There's this implication that the very words

00:11:33.960 they're using don't have the same basis in reality that the same words do when spoken by somebody

00:11:39.480 else. Freedom spoken by a trucker does not mean freedom spoken by a white collar bureaucrat or

00:11:49.020 something like that. The flag waved by one person doesn't mean the same thing as the flag waved by

00:11:53.620 another person this this goes so deep it gets almost to the like a culturally molecular level

00:11:59.060 at this point and the culture that the charter of rights and freedoms has been steamrolled that's

00:12:04.880 the whole point people may not know like the intricacies of the laws that trudeau is bringing

00:12:10.260 into effect especially with you know banking and and and the surveillance and all the little ways

00:12:15.980 he can shut them down legally but they do understand that if you block a road things can't

00:12:20.960 get across it. And if you cage your park brakes, you can't move your trucks. They understand very

00:12:26.420 matter-of-fact ways that the world works. And, you know, for this to come through, for him to say

00:12:35.260 that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is something that this answers to, I don't even

00:12:40.980 know what these words mean anymore. I think this is, we're getting into a banana republic type

00:12:46.580 stuff here this was the pretext he sought uh he found it he set it up before the trucks even got

00:12:52.500 on the road he said he didn't want to meet them before they got there once they got there he had

00:12:56.420 a different reason for not meeting them this is this is in completely bad faith i'm running out

00:13:01.540 of polite words to describe this individual and uh this has just pushed it even further

00:13:06.980 it's going to be interesting to see what happens because these guys were never concerned about the

00:13:11.140 about little legalities and these little micromanaging like uh you know indirect ways

00:13:17.060 of manipulating them they parked big objects in the front of his building and they're not moving

00:13:23.060 them until he gives them back their basic rights and that's it that's all that matters

00:13:31.460 it's amazing to me that this group that he dismissed as a fringe minority that the media 0.82

00:13:37.460 maligned and denigrated as just being basically a bunch of yahoos use the term doug ford used a

00:13:43.060 couple of years ago for anti-lockdown protesters that that this this group that's still not

00:13:47.380 representative of canada is somehow large enough and powerful enough to bring the country to its

00:13:52.900 knees in a way that has only been invoked three times in history world war one world war two

00:13:58.580 flq those are the times the war measures came up and candace when we're looking at the powers here

00:14:03.780 I mean, Trudeau is not wanting any solution

00:14:06.500 that involves the truckers being happy

00:14:09.260 that the mandates are gone and driving away themselves.

00:14:11.900 He doesn't want a happy ending

00:14:13.620 that everyone could get behind.

00:14:15.900 No, this is spite now, Andrew.

00:14:17.580 It's like the whole world is coming around to this idea

00:14:19.560 that there's not really a COVID threat anymore.

00:14:22.300 I mean, did anybody look at the Super Bowl last night?

00:14:24.400 I'll admit I didn't watch it.

00:14:25.640 I don't care.

00:14:26.140 I don't like those kinds of things.

00:14:27.760 I don't like the cultural attitudes

00:14:29.580 portrayed at those kinds of things.

00:14:31.080 I like football, but I don't like anything else about it.

00:14:33.380 I didn't watch it. What I did see this morning was a montage of about 100 celebrities just doing their thing, no masks, no worries at all. No one's even worried about COVID. You know, Maxine Bernier tweeted this. It's like, does anyone know about the virus? Is anyone talking about the virus? I was waiting for the media to break into like, oh, these events are going to be super spreader events. It's like, no one's saying that anymore because COVID isn't really a threat anymore. So sooner or later, Dustin Trudeau will have to face the facts that most Canadians want these measures gone.

00:15:01.380 however at this point it is spite because he's just angry to harley's point he dismissed these

00:15:07.120 people he predicted violence he said that he was worried about violence worried about extremism

00:15:10.920 he pounced as soon as he saw one hateful flag and pretended that that characterized the mood of the

00:15:16.660 entire convoy and basically he sat around waiting for someone else to do his dirty work right he

00:15:22.860 he smeared the protesters he the media the media jumped onto that and did and did what the good

00:15:28.520 liberal shills will do and repeated his talking points and made the Canadian public who at least

00:15:33.360 pay attention to the media, the legacy media, made them believe that these people were,

00:15:38.520 as Andrew Coyne said, antisocial yobbs, you know, dismissed them as being the lowest of the low and

00:15:44.840 the worst of the worst. And then Trudeau just kind of disappeared, right? We don't know where

00:15:48.840 he went. He was gone. He was cross-country skiing or whatever. He had COVID and he was hiding from

00:15:54.120 supposed threats you know he was waiting for the police to do it waiting for the mayor to do it

00:15:58.520 waiting for the premier to do it waiting for everyone else to enforce his his rules they

00:16:03.480 wouldn't and now he's kind of like having a temper tantrum again doubling down on the rules saying

00:16:08.520 i'm going to give you even more power someone else deal with this someone else get rid of this

00:16:12.440 protest uh there's a point that that i should raise david lametti who's the attorney general

00:16:17.320 he says that one thing the emergency act will allow is for the government to force tow truck

00:16:22.280 drivers to tow vehicles. If the government says they have to, they will be paid for their work

00:16:26.320 as if that matters. Look, the tow truck drivers are on the same side as the truckers. They're

00:16:30.720 from the same cultural sphere and they have the same views. They're probably friends with each

00:16:35.480 other. The tow trucks quickly came out and said, no, we're not doing this. That was the beginning

00:16:40.360 of this whole mess, right? So now what? The government is going to compel these people

00:16:44.700 against their will or they're going to seize their trucks and tow the trucks for them? I mean,

00:16:48.540 is an absolute farce of the rule of law. Trudeau is acting like a tyrant. And the fact that many

00:16:56.420 police officers were unwilling to enforce his rules before, I don't know how escalating a

00:17:01.400 situation to this degree and invoking yet again, you know, we've lived through two years, Andrew,

00:17:06.260 of emergency measures and temporary measures and, you know, doubling down with even more

00:17:12.980 emergency measures and even more temporary measures. Give me a break. I mean, I hope that

00:17:17.420 there's more civil disobedience. I hope that more police and tow truck drivers and military who are

00:17:21.980 asked to do this really dirty, despicable work the Trudeau government is asking to do, I hope

00:17:26.840 they say no. I fear that more will start complying and listening to them. But I think, if anything,

00:17:32.320 this sends a message to Canadians that, no, we're not being hyperbolic. Our freedoms are at stake

00:17:38.300 here. And all Canadians, regardless of whether they support the convoy or the ending mandates,

00:17:44.620 All Canadians should be alarmed by a prime minister who would escalate the situation

00:17:48.260 this much, refusing to talk to them, refusing to give them an inch in terms of what they

00:17:52.780 want, and then jumping right to, you know, we're going to seize your bank accounts, suspend

00:17:58.360 your insurance, suspend civil liberties.

00:18:02.780 Like, it's just, it's shocking.

00:18:06.300 I still can't get over it.

00:18:07.960 It's shocking, Andrew.

00:18:09.200 I'm still baffled by this like tow truck conscription that we're seeing because like,

00:18:14.840 you know, it's bad when the people that the government needs to forcibly end this are

00:18:20.120 not wanting to have anything to do with that.

00:18:22.600 I think there were stories in Gatineau and Eastern Ontario and also Alberta where, you

00:18:27.800 know, pretty much like every heavy towing company mysteriously was dealing with a COVID

00:18:31.880 outbreak and like couldn't find anyone available to come and work for the government.

00:18:36.260 So they're basically nationalizing the towing industry to get rid of these trucks.

00:18:40.820 So what they're doing is they, I mean, they tried to starve them out with cutting off their fuel.

00:18:46.840 That didn't work.

00:18:47.640 They tried to cut off their money.

00:18:49.320 That didn't work.

00:18:50.320 So now they're trying harder.

00:18:51.700 They've tried to forcibly remove them.

00:18:54.420 It's so, I know I said this earlier, but it's so baffling to me.

00:18:58.040 They are talking about all these extreme last resort measures, despite never at any point saying,

00:19:04.880 let's hear them out. I feel like the kid in the emperor's new clothes, Harley, where it's like,

00:19:12.280 this seems like the painfully obvious thing that everyone else should be seeing, but somehow no one

00:19:17.000 else is. I shouldn't say no one, certainly the true north audiences, but how is no one around

00:19:21.260 the liberal cabinet table saying, maybe we should just sit down with them and have a conversation.

00:19:26.360 Maybe we should be reasonable. Maybe we should just table a plan. Perhaps it's not the plan

00:19:30.740 they want, but table a plan to say that we hear Canadians on this. But none of that.

00:19:37.440 Two things to that. I mean, you probably saw Kian Bextie's tweet this morning that he got

00:19:42.760 seated next to Christopher Freeland on a flight last night. You know, and they're all sitting

00:19:47.380 there. He's got a selfie and they're next to each other masked. And it's funny, but it's also not

00:19:52.040 funny because you think was that so horrible like how hard did he bite there christia like

00:19:57.240 you guys sat next to each other as human beings and you ended up talking and you realized

00:20:01.640 you had some things in common and some things you didn't have in common and

00:20:05.320 you talked for a while and that's just nothing that's been happening i mean how hard is it to go

00:20:10.520 talk to somebody it's it's like you you have to lock two people in a room until they figure out

00:20:15.480 their differences and then you can let them out and i think this goes to uh quebec mp joel light

00:20:20.680 bounce press conference last week where he sat down i encourage everybody to watch it who hasn't

00:20:25.640 seen it i think it's an hour long but there is nothing he said that that i don't think the

00:20:31.600 truckers or the conservatives would disagree with at this point uh he says like he thinks that

00:20:36.720 they're they're legitimate concerns he wants a timeline uh there have been unconscionable

00:20:41.720 measures passed even against children people are tired of this there's been overreach and

00:20:46.680 And he says that he's aired his concerns and caucus many times, and that's all he can really

00:20:53.120 say.

00:20:53.640 And I think it's encouraging to hear, but it's also upsetting not only to hear that someone

00:20:58.720 like that is actually still in the Liberal caucus despite Trudeau's leadership, but it's

00:21:03.940 also upsetting to hear somebody that mature and intelligent talking about it.

00:21:08.780 When you, part of the, part of what's driving people crazy is Justin Trudeau's language,

00:21:14.340 his his inability to actually speak with any nuance or any honesty when it comes to the

00:21:18.580 complexities and different sides of this thing he gets up there and he just he speaks like a

00:21:23.940 tyrannical robot like hal from 2001 a space odyssey or something he just delivers these lines and he

00:21:30.020 sticks to them regardless of contrary evidence and you start thinking am i going crazy like is

00:21:34.900 this person for real like he's not actually engaging anybody so we've got all these kind

00:21:40.580 of like a social instincts that are being fried by even trying to understand what this guy's even

00:21:45.700 doing anymore um and so i think that's part of it it's not just the government overreach but it's

00:21:50.260 just a a leader that seems to be acting in a sociopathic way you know i i don't see this

00:21:56.180 ending soon i don't think he's going to blink at this point like i said he just needs you know

00:22:01.060 people with balls to do his dirty work and go out there and drag them out of the trucks like he wants

00:22:05.140 to see done and right now law enforcement thank god

00:22:08.980 we're being being a cop and member of the military in canada

00:22:12.260 it's a lot of pride that comes along with it because of what canada is as a

00:22:15.620 country and he's decided to say canada is not

00:22:19.220 that it's what i say it is now and they don't believe it a lot of these guys

00:22:22.820 can't handle that and so they'll talk they'll you know

00:22:25.860 they'll hold lines but they will not do what he clearly wants them to do

00:22:30.660 so it'll just be a question of what happens from here

00:22:34.260 you know no no powers nothing's changed he could have all the laws were in place that that could

00:22:39.540 have led to what he wants to see done this is just a kind of his own way of trying to wrap

00:22:44.340 them and try to get them you know a little closer to doing it yeah that that's very well said harley

00:22:50.180 and let me just point out here uh because we are going to talk about this and the implications of

00:22:54.580 it more we also are seeing that the government does not want people to be able to put money

00:23:00.100 behind causes they value that's exactly what they're doing it's what they've been doing trying

00:23:04.500 to freeze the convoys money trying to allow even so much as anyone who has a truck in ottawa right

00:23:10.180 now that they say without evidence without conviction without charges as part of the

00:23:14.260 convoy to freeze their bank accounts it's never been more important for people to take a stand

00:23:18.740 and say government cannot control our decisions now we at true north are not uh parking our trucks

00:23:24.900 on parliament hill but what we are doing is sending reporters to parliament hill to tell

00:23:29.140 the story of what's happening there in a way that simply is not being done in the mainstream media

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00:23:40.740 literally we have no idea how aggressive government is going to get and going after people that it

00:23:46.820 deems to be its political foes here and i'm not speaking in in any way about conspiracy theory

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00:24:20.260 donate.tnc.news. And members of our insider clubs actually had the opportunity to submit some

00:24:26.340 questions, which we're going to get to right now, a few of them here. Jim asks, we kind of addressed

00:24:32.580 this already, but Jim says, given that Justin Trudeau has already described the convoy as a

00:24:36.760 small fringe minority with unacceptable views, don't you think invoking this act will just pour

00:24:42.000 gasoline on the fire, prolonging it rather than shortening it? I think Candace made that point

00:24:47.340 very well a few moments ago, that all he's doing is escalating so that he can, I think, point to

00:24:52.480 the convoy and say they're the problem. Well, Canadians are seeing and hearing what he's saying

00:24:57.120 himself. I think we know that Justin Trudeau is the one escalating it here. And another one here

00:25:02.960 that I want to get everyone's thoughts on, Jagmeet Singh has said we have failed leadership

00:25:07.840 regarding Trudeau. In what sane world do you then grant unprecedented emergency powers

00:25:12.940 to said failed leader? Shouldn't Singh be voting no confidence instead? I want to go to you on this

00:25:19.240 one in a moment, Candace, but I have to say first off about the NDP. Jagmeet Singh has supported

00:25:24.320 Trudeau using the Emergencies Act. His criticism has been that Justin Trudeau has not done enough.

00:25:30.780 This is the same NDP that opposed increasing anti-terrorism measures after 9-11. This is the

00:25:39.260 same NDP that, as Terry Glavin, who's a great columnist, especially on this issue, pointed out,

00:25:45.300 the same NDP who opposed the War Measures Act in 1970. So he thinks that car bombs, kidnapping,

00:25:52.140 and hijacked airplanes are less scary than truckers with bouncy castles in Ottawa. But Candace,

00:25:58.980 the NDP on this, this used to be the party against government overreach. Now they're cheering it on.

00:26:03.960 The NDP is so lost. I mean, expecting any kind of logical or ideological consistency from that

00:26:09.800 party is just too much to ask. Jagmeet Singh has completely lost the plot. He's a hardcore

00:26:15.780 socialist who hates workers. And two days ago, he was talking about how Trudeau did need to

00:26:21.260 reevaluate the mandates. So this guy is all over the place. He's de facto giving Prime Minister

00:26:28.340 Trudeau a majority government, which Canadians did not want. Canadians did not want Trudeau to

00:26:32.940 have a majority government. He got the slimmest minority government in Canadian history. So

00:26:38.080 So Jagmeet Singh is a disgrace and a failure. And I hope he resigns. I hope the NDP do exactly what the conservatives do and get rid of that guy because he's hopeless. I want to pick up on a point that Harley made earlier about how Trudeau wants to do just wants these police to do his dirty work. He wants them to pull truck truckers out of their trucks and arrest them. He wants he wants force to break apart, you know, the soup kitchens and the stage that have been erected.

00:27:06.040 when i look at the images of of what's going on in ottawa and i think for for i think you two feel

00:27:12.040 the same way harley and andrew and i hope and i think that many of the people watching you know

00:27:16.120 what do i see i'm inspired i see a beautiful display of patriotism and and protests civil

00:27:22.040 disobedience and canadians saying we want our country back we want our liberty back canada

00:27:26.280 stands for something when justin trudeau and the liberals when when journalists the legacy

00:27:32.680 media journalists who live in ottawa when they see the protests they they see something totally

00:27:36.680 different and you can see their stream of consciousness and their thoughts when they

00:27:40.600 post on twitter uh you can see althea raj of the toronto star yelling arrest them arrest them she

00:27:46.440 wants them arrested you can see bob fife of the globe and mail saying this is anarchy right when

00:27:53.080 when he sees evening parties and people celebrating when i see that i get excited and i get joy and i

00:27:57.960 get hope for my country when he sees that he sees he sees an insurrection you know we've seen the

00:28:04.280 escalation of the terms used to describe this protest this movement the media started off by

00:28:11.000 saying that it was extreme echoing trudeau's talking points so this is a fringe minority

00:28:17.000 that these people are extreme they hold unacceptable views then we started hearing that they were

00:28:21.560 far-right or right-wing that they were white nationalists they were racist they were misogynistic

00:28:26.600 that then we started hearing the escalation right that this was a siege that this was an

00:28:30.840 insurrection that this was an occupation this was a war and it's like the people on the left the

00:28:36.200 political establishment i don't even know if they're on the political left anymore because

00:28:40.360 i think those terms are losing meaning the establishment the politicians the bureaucracy

00:28:45.640 the press in ottawa they they see this as something totally different and they've convinced

00:28:50.760 themselves that they're in real danger that this that this is really an insurrection i mean they

00:28:56.200 would have to believe that in order to be cheering on the prime minister today which they are i i

00:29:00.680 pointed this out on my twitter page that steve maher who's who's a journalist and you know part

00:29:05.640 of the very much part of the establishment he's out there declaring that he that he his favorite

00:29:10.680 thing about justin trudeau is that he's a democratically elected legitimate prime minister

00:29:15.080 which when i read that i just see that he is in support of the prime minister using the most

00:29:19.880 extreme powers available to anyone in canada to any leader in canada to crush these protests

00:29:28.040 to me that is a terrible sign of our democracy i think that these journalists have drank their

00:29:32.680 own kool-aid they believe the worst of their own rhetoric and now if you know if you follow

00:29:38.120 their plot if you follow along with what they've been doing for three weeks saying this is an

00:29:42.520 insurrection these are terrorists well then then of course if you believe that then using the war

00:29:48.600 measure act to stop a terrorist insurrection which apparently they believe this was going on

00:29:54.360 that that's the only way that this makes sense is justifiable i just believe that most canadians

00:29:59.000 have not followed that plot have not followed along with them i hope and i think i pray that

00:30:03.640 most canadians reject that nonsense and they can see with their own eyes that this is a gross abuse

00:30:09.320 of power and this is nowhere in line with proportionality this is not an insurgency this

00:30:14.280 This is not a terrorist group.

00:30:15.660 This is not a threat to the national security of our country.

00:30:18.960 So pretending it is and using these measures and introducing this act is appalling.

00:30:23.860 And it's an insult to all Canadians.

00:30:26.260 As Mark Stein called it, the Bouncy Castle Rebellion.

00:30:29.120 And I know we talked about it a little bit on our last live show.

00:30:33.580 Jim Watson, the mayor of Ottawa, making that comment about how, oh, it's terrible that

00:30:37.540 Canadians are watching the news and the clips online and they're seeing bouncy castles and

00:30:42.920 kids playing and bales of hay. And it's like, well, why is that bad? Why is that bad that

00:30:47.320 Canadians have access to seeing that this is not, like Candace mentioned, this evil terrorist

00:30:52.920 insurrection? Just on the note of the fear mongering here, I want to take a little bit of

00:30:58.300 a trip back in time. This was what, 15, 16 years ago. I think it was the 2006 election. This was

00:31:03.660 a liberal campaign ad that was aired against Stephen Harper that I find just fascinating to

00:31:12.180 contrast with the Liberal and NDP of today.

00:31:15.540 Take a look.

00:31:22.640 Stephen Harper actually announced

00:31:25.040 he wants to increase military presence in our cities.

00:31:30.240 Canadian cities.

00:31:32.900 Soldiers with guns.

00:31:35.620 In our cities.

00:31:38.180 In Canada.

00:31:42.180 We did not make this up.

00:31:46.760 Choose your Canada.

00:31:49.880 Choose your Canada.

00:31:51.280 Well, Canadians did, and they voted in Stephen Harper in that election

00:31:55.200 and a couple of more, incidentally.

00:31:56.900 But again, we contrast that now with the NDP saying

00:32:01.000 that they would like to see the military called in,

00:32:03.240 the Liberals which have flirted with it.

00:32:05.480 They haven't gone the distance yet.

00:32:07.220 But they're doing the very caricature of what they've accused conservatives of doing in the

00:32:14.560 past without evidence. But they're doing it for real now, Harley.

00:32:21.420 Well, let's be honest. I mean, the NDP and the Liberals recently, they've had a war on

00:32:27.420 masculinity for a while. They don't like the idea that Canadians can be big, tough,

00:32:32.340 gun toting guys they've set up they've tried to take away their guns they've alienated the west 0.99

00:32:37.620 they've dehumanized the truckers you know any any kind of chest-thumping red-blooded canadian

00:32:43.060 male is on the chopping block as cars as far as justin trudeau's idea of what canada is or what

00:32:48.260 canadians are um so they've been the ones you know they've been the ones that have been um

00:32:53.700 you know getting rid of our military you know getting to the point now where it's like

00:32:57.940 the navy isn't i can't remember i remember seeing report they were down like 10 000 people or

00:33:03.800 something like that it's it's it's in shambles like uh my daughter is in uh cadets it's the

00:33:09.180 program has been non-existent for the past couple years because of covid it's just it's not a

00:33:14.440 priority and now all of a sudden that they they see something they don't like they want these

00:33:19.360 guys with guns and barrel chests to come out of nowhere and just you know start beating people up

00:33:25.260 So it's really kind of rich to see.

00:33:27.720 It's like, are we going to agree that, you know, we deserve, these kind of people are important to a civilization.

00:33:33.740 They fight our wars.

00:33:35.360 They carry out unpleasant orders.

00:33:37.900 Unfortunately, Trudeau still thinks they should do that regardless of what the orders are.

00:33:41.800 But I bring everyone's attention back to a column that came out, I think it was two weeks ago.

00:33:48.280 It was a government data scientist who lives in downtown Ottawa.

00:33:51.740 and he'd been reading all the coverage about the truckers and they were parked just outside his

00:33:58.100 door so he went out and he talked to them and he said they these people are our conscience

00:34:04.220 they they they they work very hard lives they fill our ranks in the military in times of war

00:34:10.020 they they are a class this is a group of people and this this is this is a disgusting

00:34:16.900 revelation i think that a lot of people are having is how deeply these divisions go in canada

00:34:22.440 this is this we're airing our dirty laundry on an international stage now everybody canada was

00:34:27.960 supposed to be this ultra polite group of people who apologized for something they might have done

00:34:32.060 that was wrong but no we are we are we are torn at this point we are deeply divided and uh and i i

00:34:38.700 don't know um if we're going to come out of this reconciled we can we can have a tug of war back

00:34:43.140 and forth, elect one government, elect a contrary government. But there's been so much delegitimization

00:34:49.440 happening towards the working class that I really don't see a way out of this. It's stoking the

00:34:57.500 flames of separatism all over again. And I don't think that our leaders at this point in the federal

00:35:04.600 level care because it's something they've lived aware of for a long time. As I mentioned a few

00:35:12.160 moments ago True North insiders can submit questions to these shows and we try to get to

00:35:17.040 as many of them as we can and we have two that are related here from Shelley and Klaus. Shelley says

00:35:23.480 if the rule of law exists in the country surely there's a body that can effectively prevent

00:35:27.580 the government from invoking the act. Klaus says where is parliament in preventing this power grab

00:35:33.160 where are the premiers from each province standing up to this? Well those are our two questions.

00:35:38.740 Premiers by and large have been standing up to this. We've heard of at least four that have said

00:35:43.580 they were against this, notably Alberta and Saskatchewan and their premiers, Jason Kenney

00:35:48.980 and Scott Moe, respectively. And it also sounds like I believe Quebec and Manitoba were against

00:35:54.700 it. We also heard reports that Ontario was all for it, was cheering it on. So I don't know how

00:36:00.880 many provinces are for it or against it, but certainly there have been several lining up to

00:36:05.280 say, we didn't call for this. As far as Parliament goes, Trudeau has a minority government, yes,

00:36:11.260 but he also has a government. And all he needs is the support of just one party, which we know in

00:36:17.080 this case is going to be the NDP to do it. And interestingly enough, we all laugh about two

00:36:22.500 weeks to flatten the curve. David Lamedi said that this is going to be enacted for 30 days,

00:36:28.140 although he hopes and thinks it might not take that long. 30 days. We've heard temporary measures

00:36:34.080 before, Candace. Do we even give any credence at all to anything the government tells us is

00:36:39.340 temporary anymore? No, I don't believe a word they say. I don't believe that any of this is

00:36:45.460 bound by the charter, as they claim. Trudeau comes out and announces the War Measures Act,

00:36:49.800 and then he says this isn't a suspension of civil liberties. It's like, what do you mean?

00:36:53.460 That's the whole purpose of the act. And so I don't think we should believe them. I think that

00:36:59.000 there are other options on the table. I asked for this clip. I think we have it.

00:37:04.080 Candace Bergen, who's the interim leader of the Conservative Party, the Conservatives put forth a

00:37:07.840 motion asking the government to come up with some kind of a timeline. She was on the radio explaining

00:37:14.320 what exactly they were asking for. So let's play that clip right now.

00:37:22.240 Introduced a motion that would ask the House of Commons to vote on a motion compelling and

00:37:28.400 asking the government to present a plan that would end all the federal mandates and restrictions.

00:37:32.800 And my message, Roy, is that we hear the protesters, we hear them loud and clear, but

00:37:39.460 Conservatives are also a party of law and order, and we are a party of keeping a strong

00:37:44.160 Canadian economy.

00:37:45.760 And so both of those things are being hurt right now, so we're encouraging them, protest

00:37:50.320 peacefully, protest legally, but don't block bridges and borders and hurt innocent people.

00:37:58.040 And I don't believe that is what they want to do.

00:38:00.320 So that's our message.

00:38:02.800 So I, I look, I think that the conservatives are doing what they have to do. They're being

00:38:09.760 reconciliatory. They're trying to come up with a compromise. Frankly, they're doing what the

00:38:14.080 prime minister should be doing, which is saying, look, you have a right to peaceful protest.

00:38:18.000 Don't blow, don't break the law. Okay. No, no more civil disobedience,

00:38:21.360 especially when it comes to our economy, the rule of law. Those are things that the conservatives

00:38:25.440 stand for. And I totally understand why the conservatives have to come out and take this

00:38:30.320 approach and interesting to your point earlier harley that joel joel lightburn lightbound the

00:38:36.080 liberal npu has been speaking out against trudeau he voted in favor of this motion while the

00:38:40.160 government and the ndp defeated it so i'm not sure how long how much longer he's going to be on the

00:38:45.040 side with the liberals given that he is speaking out against trudeau and voting uh in favor of a

00:38:49.760 conservative motion look i i think that these truckers are incredibly courageous they've had

00:38:55.760 enough they're at their wits end and they're saying we want our country back we are opposing

00:39:00.240 unjust laws that have had tremendous impact on the people of this country it's so much of an

00:39:06.720 impact it's hard to even get into the the scope of of the pain and the misery that these lockdowns

00:39:12.240 have have caused so these truckers are taking a righteous stand and i think that many conservatives

00:39:16.880 in principle agree with that ezra levant had a tweet uh he he showed the surrey british columbia

00:39:23.200 border crossing. And he said, this is like a game of whack-a-mole, right? The Trudeau government

00:39:28.700 shuts down the protest in one part of the country. You know, these guys are completely mobile. They

00:39:32.640 can move. They can go somewhere else. There's a lot of places where they can go to prove their

00:39:36.520 point. So they're just going to keep popping up all over the country. And, you know, Trudeau

00:39:41.640 doesn't have control of the situation. And it's not something as easy as, okay, we're going to

00:39:46.500 introduce a new war measures act and try to get the police or the military to do our dirty work

00:39:51.260 because the truckers are serious. And I think that they have a lot more power than most people

00:39:57.780 give them credit for. You know, Trudeau dismisses them. The media dismisses them. A lot of elites

00:40:02.040 and journalists, sorry, bureaucrats, people dismissing them. But they don't realize how

00:40:07.460 vital these truckers are to our entire lifeline, our entire economy and the supply chain. And,

00:40:13.820 you know, when they say we've had enough, Canadians better listen. And I think that

00:40:19.300 What they're showing right now, I mean, the next few days we'll be telling because we'll see whether the police will actually enforce these, whether the military is willing to do the violence necessary to end this convoy or crush this convoy as crush this movement.

00:40:34.400 It's not even a convoy anymore.

00:40:35.420 It's a movement as Trudeau declares or if Trudeau is going to be an utter failure in all of it.

00:40:41.320 But, you know, I don't think these truckers are going away.

00:40:45.140 I don't think they're done making their point.

00:40:46.460 And I think they're completely serious when they say that they're not going to stop until Canada restores its freedom.

00:40:52.740 I think that politicians should take them at their word for that.

00:40:56.260 I think I said the War Measures Act.

00:40:57.720 I meant to say the Emergency Measures Act.

00:40:59.300 It used to be called the War Measures Act.

00:41:01.040 Now it's called the Emergency Measures Act.

00:41:02.740 I just want to clarify that.

00:41:04.260 The Emergencies Act.

00:41:05.240 There are no measures anymore.

00:41:06.340 Just emergencies.

00:41:07.260 That's the reality of this.

00:41:09.980 Harley, I'm putting you on the spot here, but did you happen to see the Canadian Constitution Foundation's response to this?

00:41:16.460 I did, and they had really good language, basically comparing, invoking the same legislation

00:41:25.680 that was used to deal with the FLQ in 1970 being used with the now.

00:41:33.120 If you can give me a second, I can bring it up.

00:41:34.960 but it's uh it's it's something to keep in mind that uh whereas before certain cameras have had

00:41:43.440 a monopoly on on you know bringing people in their homes images of what was going on now we have

00:41:50.720 citizen journalists we have independent media like true north they're on the ground covering

00:41:55.520 this stuff there's no hiding what's really going on anymore you've been hearing all these these

00:42:01.360 terrible like um like like these overblown words about what this stuff is and you go down there and

00:42:07.240 yet all you can see is people having a good time chanting freedom singing oh canada hugging that's

00:42:14.340 all there is for crying out loud where where is the where is the fighting where is the blood where's

00:42:19.560 the carnage where is the chanting of of tear down you know the government like there's none of that

00:42:25.240 this is this is a very simple protest and it can all end very very quickly like but like just just

00:42:31.660 with a simple promise to bring back the basic freedoms that we always expected we had um

00:42:39.080 here candace you pick it up and i'll grab this uh grab like i really got to read this out

00:42:44.380 no you're you're you're absolutely right it's like i i i mean it's like they they just want

00:42:53.240 someone else to deal with it. They've tried, they've pulled out all the stops to demonize

00:42:58.080 these truckers. And you can see it now. They don't have anything, right? Like I said earlier,

00:43:01.720 when I look at the protests, I see a patriotic, united, happy group of people. When they see the

00:43:08.400 protests, they see terrorists and anarchy and all these things, right? And so what are they doing

00:43:14.060 now? You're seeing the legacy media go even more in that direction, that deranged direction,

00:43:18.920 saying that the Canada flag, I don't know if you guys saw this, there was an op-ed saying the

00:43:22.520 Canadian flag no longer stands for Canada. It's outlived its usefulness as a country. So we can

00:43:27.600 no longer use the Canada flag because it's representative now of this like hateful right

00:43:32.040 wing movement. The word freedom, according to the CBC, they had a piece today about how freedom

00:43:37.100 is like a code word, a dog whistle of the far right. And so it's like all of these symbols

00:43:42.540 that unite us as a country, the flag, the word freedom, which is like, it's so basic to our

00:43:48.460 country. They're trying to demonize those words because that's the best they can do. They're

00:43:53.540 grasping at straws and they're basically trying to weaponize everything that truckers are doing,

00:43:59.740 the convoy is doing, the movement is doing to try to make it seem like it's nefarious when it

00:44:04.580 clearly isn't. No, I mean, in fairness, the carnage in Ottawa has been terrible. There was

00:44:10.260 a four-year-old who twisted her ankle on a bouncy castle. And I mean, it was basically like just

00:44:15.740 being in a in a war zone i think it was like worse than the yugoslavian civil war you know the reality

00:44:21.440 is though and and we can we can enjoy the mockery of people losing their minds about something that's

00:44:27.260 so fun like i was thinking earlier like what would happen if the military were called in they would

00:44:31.560 just have to puncture bouncy castles unplug the dj's amp the dj's amp and take the rocks out of

00:44:38.560 the sauna and pour ice in the hot tub like that would basically be how you'd have to go about

00:44:43.440 neutralizing what's happening in Ottawa. But there's a very serious undercurrent here,

00:44:47.800 which is that the government and by extension, the mainstream media are trying to frame a

00:44:52.700 narrative that simply is not true. And now it's not just political. They're using that narrative

00:44:58.520 to justify a historic and rather, not rather severe, a historic and extremely severe set of

00:45:06.340 powers that I have little doubt will be granted within the week when they go in and formally put

00:45:13.880 this forward. So that's what they're doing. So this narrative that they've been laying,

00:45:18.040 this unshakable message that Justin Trudeau has had, that these people are a fringe minority,

00:45:23.580 they're unacceptable, they're racist, they're white supremacists, all of that has been leading

00:45:27.620 up to this point to basically set the story that they can use to justify going after these people

00:45:33.420 as though it is a war.

00:45:34.840 And this is why, to your point, Harley,

00:45:37.700 earlier independent media is tremendously important here.

00:45:40.500 I'm going to be headed to Ottawa this week.

00:45:43.500 I think I was going to be going anyway,

00:45:45.100 but especially now.

00:45:46.120 And by the way, I'll just put in a fundraising plug.

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00:45:57.300 That website to donate is donate.tnc.news,

00:46:01.880 donate.tnc.news. I'm wondering here, quite frankly, if the Emergencies Act will be used

00:46:08.000 to keep journalists or at least keep some journalists outside of the zone here. If they're

00:46:14.480 talking about targeting people that are there, I'm very much aware of the possibility that we

00:46:20.820 could run up against resistance from the state trying to do our jobs as journalists. Again,

00:46:25.120 it hasn't happened yet, but that's a very real concern that I have. Harley, what are you thinking

00:46:29.420 about all this remember ottawa is the place where a few years ago they um the the national capital

00:46:37.660 commission took down a couple of kids lemonade stand because they didn't have a business license

00:46:42.620 uh this is what ottawa is like every tree has a little tag on it it's like a dog i mean they're

00:46:47.340 all registered with the city there's a checkups done on them i mean it's a it's a very regulated

00:46:53.020 manicured place um so you know so that's that's a big part uh the second um just getting back to

00:47:01.180 you know these these these overblown exaggerated extreme words used to describe what's going on

00:47:07.420 here it's like a bunch of bunch of english majors have had a thesaurus gathering dust on their shelf

00:47:11.980 for a while and they just had to pick it up and okay we've used protest what can we move on to

00:47:16.540 next and and uh you have diane dean's counselor diane dean's chair of the police board calling it

00:47:22.140 a sedition and and insurrection and all of these things i mean as canadians for the most part we

00:47:29.740 have no frame of reference for these words we can read about places that have experienced them but

00:47:35.020 there's nothing in these people's lives that would lead them to use them in these contexts and

00:47:40.700 i've got a very good ukrainian friend um and he had mentioned to me last week he said

00:47:47.100 you know god help us but in the next week based on what russia does we may see sieges we may see

00:47:54.540 invasions and all of these words that people have been using in the legacy media to describe

00:47:59.180 what's going on in ottawa right in their backyard just a bunch of people hanging out waving a flag

00:48:03.340 saying give us back our freedoms that is not what these words were made for these words have

00:48:07.820 specific meanings. And people who live by the pen should be ashamed of themselves for using them.

00:48:14.820 Candice, let's go to you on this one next.

00:48:18.480 I absolutely agree. I mean, it's so ridiculous. It's like they're crying wolf, right? They spent

00:48:22.900 the last two weeks crying wolf, three weeks, four weeks even, saying that this is dangerous,

00:48:27.320 this is something serious. It's like there's real danger in the world, right? There's real

00:48:31.500 conflict. There are real invasions. There are real occupations. There are real wars.

00:48:35.720 and using those same words to describe peaceful moms and dads and little kids.

00:48:40.400 And you can see the journalists getting outraged over little kids showing up because, again,

00:48:44.640 they think it's like they're conditioned to believe their own narrative and to believe

00:48:48.380 their own nonsense and to believe the Kool-Aid that Trudeau has them drinking.

00:48:52.080 The rest of the country, I hope and I think, see things differently and have a little bit

00:48:56.180 more perspective.

00:48:57.140 I think that a lot of those journalists in Ottawa, it would do them some good to go out

00:49:01.500 and actually talk to the truckers, to go out and actually talk to Canadians outside of

00:49:05.020 their little bubble because they're just so, so out of touch. And Andrew, I want to mention

00:49:09.720 something that you tweeted that I found very amusing. So David Coletto, who is a pollster

00:49:14.120 down in Ottawa, very much inside the liberal bubble, he's down in California for whatever

00:49:19.280 reason. And he mentioned that he saw some freedom convoy, some Canadian inspired freedom

00:49:24.720 convoy, and a bunch of people were waving the Canadian flag. And he did not like this.

00:49:29.300 He did not like seeing the Canadian flag being waved in Canada or outside of Canada in California

00:49:34.300 to represent this freedom convoy.

00:49:36.980 And you pointed out, look, usually people would like to see their flag being used as

00:49:41.180 a symbol of a worldwide movement for hope and freedom.

00:49:44.900 But this angered the Ottawa establishment and the Ottawa elite.

00:49:48.740 It's funny because, you know, when there were protests happening in Hong Kong and people

00:49:53.220 standing up to a very real tyrannical government in the communist China who were overbearing

00:49:58.600 and bringing their communist tyrannical role into the formerly free Hong Kong.

00:50:03.540 What did we see? We saw people out there waving American flags because to them, the American flag represents freedom. I've seen the American flag being waved at freedom and dissident rallies all over the world. You see them at Iranian protests. People wave the American flag because to them that means liberty.

00:50:20.760 And the fact that now perhaps Canada is inspiring that, that people are seeing the Canadian flag and what they're reading into that is a grassroots working class uprising of dissidents demanding an end to overzealous restrictions, that should invoke pride.

00:50:39.520 I mean, even if you don't agree with the truckers and you don't like them and you think that

00:50:42.780 they are whatever these media think, I mean, we know what they think.

00:50:47.180 I think, again, I'll go to Andrew Coyne's remark, his jeer at these truckers calling

00:50:52.940 them antisocial yob.

00:50:54.040 So I think that's what secretly most of these journalists think of the truckers, to see

00:50:59.400 the flag, to think that that's what it represents.

00:51:02.400 It just shows how completely removed and abandoned these people are of their country, of the

00:51:08.320 people who make Canada work of the backbone of our economy. Again, I think that journalists,

00:51:13.080 politicians, bureaucrats, it would do them some good to go out and meet the working people of

00:51:18.740 this country, to go around and try to understand what it's like to be a trucker or to be a working

00:51:23.680 person who doesn't have the luxury to work from home, doesn't have the luxury to, you know, stay

00:51:28.600 at home, work in front of their laptop, work in their pajamas in their warm house, who has to

00:51:33.780 actually go out there and face the world, face the COVID virus, which, again, I'll reiterate a

00:51:38.500 point I made earlier. Nobody's worried about COVID anymore. Nobody's worried about catching COVID.

00:51:43.240 Nobody's worried about a spike. The whole justification, the whole underlying purpose of

00:51:49.060 all of this is that we still have these overzealous emergency powers that were enforced onto us two

00:51:55.500 years ago. We're still living under that regime. That's what we want overturned, right? It's like

00:51:59.900 throwing more emergency measures more temporary emergency measures on top of terrible uh temporary

00:52:06.060 emergency measures from two years ago won't solve the problem letting us get back to normal letting

00:52:10.860 us get our lives back is what will get us back to normal and it's like these these elites as

00:52:16.380 establishments just so wrapped up in this whole thing that they can't even they can't even take

00:52:20.780 a step back and acknowledge that basic fact yeah and you mentioned something there candace that

00:52:26.300 was important about you know whether or not you support the truckers because there is a huge gulf

00:52:31.900 between rah rah rah honk honk honk and this is a national emergency that calls for the suspension

00:52:38.780 of many civil liberties and i i don't know if that nuance is going to be visible in the next couple

00:52:45.100 of days i i don't know if it will become if you oppose the truckers ergo you support the emergencies

00:52:50.860 act and vice versa i i fear it is going to uh distill itself into those two very distinct camps

00:52:58.220 but it shouldn't just as you can be pro-vaccination and anti-vaccine mandate i i think you could be

00:53:04.860 anti the truckers or the least more skeptical of the truckers while also being very much opposed

00:53:10.780 to the the place that justin trudeau went with this and and i go back to what i said earlier

00:53:14.940 about how he is calling this a last resort but at the same time hasn't had any dialogue whatsoever

00:53:20.860 And just to be clear, to talk about the importance of dialogue, after a lot of antagonism between Ottawa City Council and the convoy, there were some letters exchanged between one of the convoy organizers, Tamara Leach, and Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson yesterday and the day before, in which Tamara Leach agreed that she would get the truckers to move to an area that was more central downtown in exchange.

00:53:45.800 well, not really in exchange for anything. It was just a good faith gesture that will do this

00:53:50.200 to ease some of the burden on residential streets. Now, I don't know if the Emergencies Act has

00:53:55.580 thrown that concession into a lurch, but this came from a letter from Jim Watson to her that,

00:54:01.200 again, was not doing what Jim Watson and Justin Trudeau have been doing up until now,

00:54:04.920 but was trying to engage. And I pointed out that it's amazing what you can do when you don't just

00:54:10.340 look at your adversaries on an issue as racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, bigot,

00:54:16.880 white supremacist, whatever the labels are that are being used. It's amazing what you can achieve.

00:54:21.980 And the fact that Justin Trudeau is not doing that, I don't want to say is surprising,

00:54:26.880 but it's very telling. It's very revealing. We had a question from a woman here, Eileen,

00:54:32.680 who says, I'd like one of you. Well, we'll do one better, Eileen. We'll get all of us to do it.

00:54:37.360 She says, I'd like one of you to gaze into a crystal ball and tell us how you see this

00:54:42.140 playing out, how you see this ending.

00:54:44.080 There's a lot of directions to go with that.

00:54:45.800 I'll start with you, Harley.

00:54:47.100 Where do you think this goes now?

00:54:50.980 I can't really do any better than Ezra Levant did on Candice's show last week.

00:54:56.820 Basically, Trudeau can't back down now.

00:54:59.620 He's already called these guys every name in the book.

00:55:01.800 He's not going to be able to meet with them now.

00:55:03.740 He's not going to lose face over that.

00:55:05.400 he's got to be told it's over. And there's hope now that it will be Biden that will contact him

00:55:12.280 and say, get your house in order, what's going on over there. And that will give Trudeau an out to

00:55:17.060 back off. Just going back to your point, Andrew, about people not needing to like the truckers to

00:55:24.440 believe that the freedoms that they're calling for are important. Polls are increasingly showing

00:55:29.220 that even though people don't like what the truckers are doing, they want this COVID stuff

00:55:33.120 to end. They want it all dropped. And they disapprove increasingly, like severely of the

00:55:39.320 way Prime Minister Trudeau has approached this, like basically not at all or through these

00:55:45.460 measures. And it's silly. We've gotten to the point where we need to assess each other from

00:55:50.920 the ankles up before we can agree with a very simple sentiment. I've got three English degrees

00:55:57.200 at a Canadian university. I know what it's like to be around people I disagree with politically

00:56:01.700 all day, every day for years, but that you can still agree on some things. And I think that's

00:56:07.760 what we should do. Just focus on the prize, agree on this one major thing and quit trying to size

00:56:14.340 each other up and think that there's something beneath it all, something we need to constantly

00:56:18.840 assess and approve of. Yeah, I'll jump in.

00:56:24.880 sorry after two years i still haven't figured out the mute button

00:56:31.180 candace i'll go to you on this next where do you think in your uh metaphorical crystal ball

00:56:36.140 things are headed here well i was going to mention what ezra said on my show uh which he had also

00:56:41.140 said on twitter basically that you know trudeau's not going to budge but biden will because biden

00:56:47.100 sees the truckers he doesn't want to deal with that the democrats in the u.s actually rely on

00:56:52.620 blue collar workers and actually respect them, especially Joe Biden, that was the reason why he

00:56:56.660 was selected by the DNC instead of one of the other woke candidates. Biden's not woke. Biden's

00:57:02.740 has a very working class background and that's where he came from. And that's who he still 1.00

00:57:07.760 believes that he is to the point where he actually has consciousness and believes in anything. But

00:57:13.580 Biden will take the threat seriously. He doesn't want to see anything like this happening in his

00:57:18.500 country. So he would be the one to lift the mandate, then it would make sense for it to only

00:57:22.680 be one side. I think there's something to that. But I'll go even further. I think Trudeau is

00:57:28.260 really doubling down on this idea that someone else needs to do his dirty work, that the police,

00:57:34.460 the military, someone else has to go in, bust this thing up, crush the protesters and get them

00:57:40.720 all to go home. That won't make the movement go away. These truckers are dedicated. And again,

00:57:45.840 they are serious. This is not a bluff. This isn't something that they're just going to say,

00:57:52.180 okay, good enough. We accomplished some of our goals. Let's go home. These people are dedicated

00:57:57.700 to their cause. And when it comes to Trudeau, he is just so badly misstep. He completely

00:58:03.420 underestimated these truckers. He thought that he could just dismiss them, that he could play

00:58:08.400 a partisan game, that he could just say, look, they're waving Nazi flags and it would be over.

00:58:12.720 He was so wrong. He miscalculated this to a tremendous extent, to the point where a poll

00:58:18.440 that came out one week ago today showed that both sides, those who support the convoy and those who

00:58:23.380 oppose the convoy, both blame Trudeau. They blame Trudeau the most. Only 16% of Canadians say that

00:58:28.940 they would vote for Trudeau today. Look, I've seen a lot of different, I've seen that there

00:58:33.160 was a National Post story today saying that three quarters of Canadians want all mandates to end.

00:58:37.780 There was a abacus poll that came out today saying three quarters of Canadians want the mandates to stay for at least two more years.

00:58:45.620 So I don't know which one to read into. The point that is clear is that Canadians are deeply divided.

00:58:52.300 They're deeply divided on this issue of vaccine mandates, of the direction this country is going, and there's no easy solution.

00:58:58.860 And rather than trying to be reconciliatory and show leadership and try to understand both sides, Trudeau has just completely escalated this.

00:59:08.320 I think that he has made a huge mess of things for the Liberal Party, for his own government.

00:59:13.240 I think you'll see more and more people stepping up and walking away from him.

00:59:16.400 I think Trudeau's days are numbered. I really do.

00:59:18.080 I think that he has just misplayed this so badly that even if somehow he manages to get out of this week without something horrible happening in terms of the overuse of force, people with video cameras capturing something horrific happening, violence breaking out on the street, even if that doesn't happen, which there still is a chance, I mean, the next few days are where it all is going to happen.

00:59:41.420 like this is the time to be paying attention to politics in Canada. Even if Trudeau escapes this

00:59:46.280 week, I think the damage is done to his personal brand, to his party. And I think that more and

00:59:50.980 more liberals are starting to sort of move away from this cult of personality around Trudeau.

00:59:55.460 And I can't see him lasting as leader of that party or of this country for much longer.

01:00:02.400 Well, I think that's an important point. And I'll add one thing to this. I agree with what

01:00:07.820 Harley and Candace said. And the great thing about going last is that I can just say, yeah,

01:00:11.460 they were, they were all right. And I don't need to come up with anything original, but

01:00:14.140 I will add something here because one thing that Justin Trudeau has always done fairly well is put

01:00:20.580 a wedge in the conservatives where he forces the conservatives to divide themselves either

01:00:27.000 internally or externally to put a wedge between conservatives in the country, whether it's on

01:00:32.320 social issues or other stuff like that. And then the liberals have always done that very well.

01:00:36.720 Justin Trudeau is wedging himself right now.

01:00:39.620 There are cracks forming, some Liberal MPs, especially in Quebec.

01:00:43.680 If you look at some of these polls and see Quebec's support for the convoy,

01:00:48.320 it's insane, even larger than in Alberta in one poll that I saw,

01:00:52.680 which is quite significant.

01:00:54.280 So we are seeing Justin Trudeau putting a wedge in,

01:00:57.520 and I think he's gambling.

01:00:58.820 He's gambling that this is a move that's going to go the way he wants it to.

01:01:03.460 But if someone can find an escalation that can be linked back to his invocation in the Emergencies Act, a trucker who loses their livelihood and loses their money and gets their account frozen and loses the ability to work even further just because they're partaking in the protest.

01:01:20.920 This is Justin Trudeau's government going after its political opponents when they're saying we're freezing the bank accounts of people who are partaking in a peaceful protest.

01:01:30.280 I didn't word it like that earlier, but I'm wording it like that now.

01:01:33.100 This is the federal government freezing the assets and shutting down the bank accounts of its political opponents who are peacefully protesting.

01:01:43.500 If you take nothing else from what I've said, take that away because that's exactly what's happening here.

01:01:49.160 And I don't think a government can do that with impunity.

01:01:51.980 The whole point is we need to be able to tell Canadians what's happening here.

01:01:55.600 So before we close things out, I want to give you the last word on this, Candace, outside of the Emergencies Act.

01:02:00.980 How do you see True North fitting in to this story? I mentioned earlier that I'm headed to

01:02:06.140 Ottawa to continue our coverage there. We also have a reporter in Ottawa, but how do you see

01:02:11.440 us moving forward with this? Well, I think you should head to Ottawa now, Andrew. I think you

01:02:17.340 should end the broadcast and go there because True North needs to have people on the ground

01:02:21.980 to document and to bear witness to what is happening in this country. And like I just

01:02:26.940 alluded to, I think that the next few days will be incredibly important for Canadians to film

01:02:32.360 and get the message out there, get the other side of the story. I think that one of the tremendous

01:02:37.100 things about True North, and I'm just so pleased and grateful to be in this position that we're in

01:02:41.100 with so much support, so much growth over the last several months and years, that we're in the

01:02:46.820 position where we have reporters on the ground. We have the ability to communicate the other side

01:02:51.880 the story and we try to be fair we try to be on it we're honest we're fact-based we we want to

01:02:57.240 report the facts to canadians we don't want to spend we want to remove the spin that the legacy

01:03:01.800 media pushes out there and i think that having neutral honest journalists on the ground is the

01:03:07.800 best defense that we have i mean i think look i think the truckers are the best defense they've

01:03:11.880 shown a willingness and a bravery that that so many others uh have failed to show but i think

01:03:17.000 that having journalists on the ground to document this because you're right andrew the the government

01:03:22.360 is seizing bank accounts of the people that they of their political opponents who are peaceful

01:03:27.240 i i don't think that we should let them walk away from this i think that they're going to have to

01:03:30.360 wear this i think that young canadians 20 years ago 20 years from now uh will be weary of voting

01:03:37.320 for a liberal party because of what they're doing today and tomorrow and right now and we need to

01:03:42.120 document it so i think i think independent journalism is so important i think that it's

01:03:47.560 it's more obvious now than ever to so many canadians that the legacy media is is not

01:03:52.520 trustworthy and they're not telling you the truth i i posted this on twitter a couple minutes ago but

01:03:57.240 it's it's kind of telling that the canadian association of journalists is hosting an event

01:04:00.760 on twitter right now or in in less than an hour called the freedom convoy versus the mainstream

01:04:06.440 media like they're pitting themselves as the opponents of the freedom convoy how are they

01:04:10.440 can we place bets on which side we want to be uh on board with there it's like yeah it's like

01:04:15.640 they're making it seem like it's a political battle between two sides and they're on the

01:04:19.640 opposing side so how would anybody take away from that that we're supposed to respect the

01:04:24.360 word of the journalists um in this in in this coverage i don't call them the mainstream media

01:04:29.080 some people criticize me for calling them the legacy media because they think it gives them

01:04:32.760 too much respect uh to me there's nothing mainstream about the legacy media i think that

01:04:37.400 that their views are outside the mainstream of what Canadians believe. So I stopped using that

01:04:41.820 term. I call them legacy media, because that's what they are. The only reason that they exist

01:04:47.120 is because they've been there for so long. And they have these outdated institutions that they

01:04:52.860 think still they still wield the power of, but they're losing that power. And I think that's

01:04:56.820 part of the reason why they're so angry. And they're so hateful towards independent journalists

01:05:02.000 like you, Andrew Lawton, because you're exposing how corrupted they are and how inaccurate they

01:05:08.920 are and how political they are and how agenda driven they are. And I think that's why you see

01:05:13.340 them lashing out against us. And you can see some of the comments that they put to us. They never

01:05:19.720 defend us when we're locked out of things. And yet they make a huge fit about the inability of

01:05:26.540 them to report on the trucker convoy because the leaders of that didn't invite them to the press

01:05:30.960 conference. I mean, it's such a farce, but just to re-hammer this point, you just simply can't

01:05:38.880 trust the legacy media. They've proven that over and over again, every minute, every day of this

01:05:43.540 Freedom Convoy and movement, that they're just driving people to true north. And I'm grateful

01:05:48.840 for that. I'm grateful for all of our new audience, all of the people watching right now.

01:05:52.680 I thank you for putting your trust in us, for getting your news from true north, for sharing

01:05:57.900 our stories and watching our videos and and for those who are able to donate to to our cause

01:06:03.240 because i think again having an independent press is so vital in a democracy especially at times

01:06:08.920 like this yeah i i have to say and i i know it sounds i i'm trying to like hold you up by your

01:06:14.740 ankles and shake out your pockets but you know the twitter likes and retweets and the follows are

01:06:19.280 great we love them we need them to get the message out the facebook likes and shares and youtube

01:06:23.420 comments are great. But ultimately, if we want to compete with those legacy media journalists to

01:06:28.760 get our story out in front of people that aren't already on side, we need the people like you that

01:06:33.020 are already in this club to help us do that. And we're hiring, we're growing, we're expanding,

01:06:38.220 we're putting boots on the ground. And like I said, I don't even know how easy it's going to be,

01:06:42.840 but we're certainly going to be there and not give up. But if you can lend a hand to that effort,

01:06:46.700 please do. The website is donate.tnc.news. With that, I want to give a big thank you to

01:06:53.020 our editor and Civil Liberties journalist and investigative journalist Harley Sims for coming

01:06:58.960 and Candace Malcolm as well, not just for sharing her insights today, but also letting me have fun

01:07:03.820 doing these things as well. I am Andrew Lawton. I'll have the Andrew Lawton show tomorrow and

01:07:08.820 Candace will have the Candace Malcolm show tomorrow. And I suspect some of these things

01:07:12.880 that we're talking about today will feature prominently in both of those. But do come back.

01:07:18.080 We will talk to you soon. Thank you. God bless and good day to you all.

Juno News - February 14, 2022

Justin Trudeau has invoked the Emergencies Act

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