Juno News - December 13, 2024


Justin Trudeau is gaslighting Canadians


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In this episode of the Northern dispatch, we read the comments in response to Donald Trump's latest tweet about Canada and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. We also hear from the National Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, Franco Terrizano, on the impact of the Bank of Canada's decision to cut rates for the third time in a row.

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00:00:00.000 welcome everyone back to another episode of the northern dispatch you know this week we have been
00:00:14.720 told by our leaders in this country that the economy is doing great everything is going well
00:00:19.920 we should be proud of the fact that canada is now the first country in the g7 to drop rates for i
00:00:25.760 believe the third time in a row my numbers may be off there but one thing we do know for sure is that
00:00:29.920 the numbers are off for the federal government we've got some house uh housekeeping here to take
00:00:35.840 care before we get into the show and that of course involves us reading last episode's comments we told
00:00:41.280 you that we'd read the best comments so we hope you get involved and engaged on this episode as well
00:00:46.400 but the first comment we have comes from gail horachuk 1269 i hope i got that right he writes
00:00:53.840 they were making fun of trudeau not canada and i believe that is in response to donald trump's
00:00:59.920 trolling i think that of course is right i think many in the united states do want to make fun of
00:01:05.280 trudeau they want to dig the knife and on justin trudeau and uh i hope they have some love for us
00:01:10.880 canadians and are not just going after the country as a whole what other comments do we have so we
00:01:16.160 have stacy ri5 pb saying trump's not bluffing he knows what's going on up here and wants it cleaned up
00:01:24.320 thank goodness that's definitely one way to look at it for sure and lastly we have gordon meer 40359
00:01:32.240 in my opinion if a 25 tariff is a price to pay to get rid of trudeau then it's worth it well
00:01:40.960 i know i i understand the sentiment but you may change your opinion when it actually comes into play
00:01:47.040 yeah it sounds good right now when it's not a reality um let's take a look at the last episode's
00:01:52.720 poll the question for the last episode was do you think trump will follow through with his tariff
00:01:59.120 threat or is he bluffing 78.9 of respondents say that trump will follow through uh that's gonna hurt
00:02:07.520 canada for sure yeah i think um and i think he will follow through there he's demonstrated to be to make
00:02:16.480 some pretty provocative claims before and follow through with those claims so i think he's he's
00:02:21.680 demonstrated that he is willing to to follow through on on some of these promises no matter
00:02:26.640 how quote-unquote reckless they may seem to people well the next the poll question for this episode
00:02:33.520 it's a simple one i anticipate the results to be uh pretty skewed here the question is is justin trudeau
00:02:40.240 and maybe the the trudeau government intentionally manipulating the economy for political points
00:02:46.880 all right let us know your answer to that poll question but on this episode of the northern
00:02:52.480 dispatch we are introducing a fourth seat we're introducing here for you the national director
00:02:58.000 of the canadian taxpayers federation franco terrizano franco thank you so much for joining us
00:03:03.360 we're going to throw it right to you now for your reaction to tiff macklem the governor of the bank
00:03:08.160 of canada his announcement that canada is once again cutting rates what was your immediate reaction
00:03:14.320 well you know right away i know that a lot of canadians are going to feel a little bit of
00:03:19.600 relief right like especially if you have a variable rate mortgage or you're a consumer and you have a
00:03:24.960 lot of debt or your business and you have a lot of debt you're looking to take on more debt but like
00:03:29.600 hold on a second folks let's look back just one step and try to figure out why interest rates spiked
00:03:36.480 in the first place and the reason interest rates spiked in the first place is because of all of
00:03:42.560 the money printing that the government central bank did during the pandemic the bank of canada printing
00:03:48.960 up what more than 300 billion dollars out of thin air and dropping it into an economy that was going
00:03:56.080 through revolving lockdowns too many dollars chasing too few goods that's the inflation tax and that what is
00:04:03.520 always what creates general inflation right so you have the government hiking taxes running massive
00:04:10.720 deficits into the tens of billions of dollars then you have the central bank the bank of canada
00:04:16.320 financing the government's out of control spending that is what led to a 40-year high inflation and
00:04:22.800 that's what pushed up the rates in the first part so you know like i i don't want to discount the fact
00:04:28.320 that a lot of people are really nervous about the high interest rates they're paying but we have to
00:04:32.640 remember what caused the pain in the first part and the first thing that caused the pain was the
00:04:38.800 added control spending from the trudeau government the trudeau government's tax hikes and the bank of
00:04:44.240 canada printing money out of thin air but franco if you were to believe justin trudeau they didn't cause
00:04:51.280 the inflation but they've solved it so like you know they they had no way to stop the inflation from from
00:04:58.480 actually skyrocketing to 40 year highs but they're solely responsible for bringing it down well i don't
00:05:04.880 believe justin trudeau it's a i don't right and neither and neither should you or anyone watching
00:05:11.360 this awesome show um and the reason is uh number one general price inflation is always because of an
00:05:19.200 expansion of the money supply printing money right that is what causes general price inflation now prices
00:05:26.480 rise and fall all the time that's relative prices there's only one thing that pushes up all prices
00:05:32.800 throughout an economy and that's an expansion of the artificial money supply which we saw during
00:05:38.000 covet 19 the pandemic and the bank of canada right and the federal government running these massive
00:05:44.160 massive deficits the not the next thing i'm gonna say if you're not living under a rock and you're not
00:05:50.080 in government and you're not a politician you know that the cost of living is still going up right you
00:05:56.080 hear these inflation statistics being thrown around in the mainstream media well what that shows
00:06:02.400 is that prices are still going up they're just not going up as fast as they were when inflation was a
00:06:09.200 40-year high so yes the government is at least a huge driver of inflation and no the government has
00:06:16.960 not solved the cost of living crisis facing many canadians tanya let me bring you in here the reaction
00:06:22.800 to this announcement the reaction to this rate cut announcement from what i can see has been
00:06:27.840 resoundingly negative yeah so i think if you're an individual looking at this and say oh interest
00:06:36.880 rates are going down that's good for me that means my mortgage goes down maybe my credit card payments
00:06:41.600 go down as an individual that's a good thing but as an economy usually when you see interest rates going
00:06:48.800 down this quickly and and for this many consecutive terms it's not a good thing now i'm not an economist
00:06:55.040 but i know there's one on the panel so i bet you can tell me franco why it's really bad for our economy
00:07:00.560 for this to be going down so fast well i mean like it's it's funny that you have government control of
00:07:08.240 a price and that's what an interest rate essentially is right the price uh it's essentially a time
00:07:13.200 preference right the price of borrowing now versus cons or saving versus consuming now but like it's
00:07:19.920 actually quite simple i you'll you'll hear a lot of jargon right from these talking heads on the media
00:07:25.200 and whatever but to understand how an economy grows it's actually quite simple you have to produce
00:07:31.920 before you consume you have to produce more than you consume if you consume more than you produce that's
00:07:38.960 bad right and the way that you produce more is by saving investing and having entrepreneurs take
00:07:45.760 risk with those savings and investment to grow the economy further right that's how you grow an economy
00:07:51.840 uh the wrong way or the fake way to grow the economy is to have uh relatively low interest rates uh forced
00:07:59.200 down by easy money and easy credit and massive government spending and government borrowing right so there's
00:08:05.360 the real true way to grow an economy and then there's the bad fake way to grow the economy uh the
00:08:12.000 other problem with bringing down interest rates this quickly is people are uh are going to think hey you
00:08:18.080 know what maybe now is a great time to buy a house so um yeah they'll borrow more yeah so one of the fears
00:08:24.560 is is this going is this going to spur another housing frenzy which to your earlier point franco by printing money
00:08:31.840 you increase inflation well as many people may or may not know when you have a whole bunch of people
00:08:37.280 taking out mortgages that is introducing brand new printed money into the economy which will drive
00:08:42.320 inflation a big concern that we're seeing right now is also this worry that the canadian looney the
00:08:49.280 canadian dollar continues to plummet in relation to the u.s dollar i believe it's at a three-year low
00:08:55.520 um now close to i think it's 69 cents at the time of this recording uh this seems to be well is this
00:09:02.320 entirely justin trudeau's fault what uh what's your read on this franco well that's tough right there's
00:09:08.560 there's so many different things that go into currency prices and and relative exchanges but you
00:09:13.520 know i i want to talk just specifically about the poll that you mentioned on tariffs earlier
00:09:18.480 right now you always have to kind of if you're a serious government you always have to pay attention to
00:09:23.200 what other countries are doing especially our largest trading partner and ally the united states
00:09:28.160 but if you're also a serious government the way to let's say combat things that other countries are
00:09:35.120 doing that might impact you is to focus on your own economy you really want to give it to the rest of
00:09:42.320 the world then make canada the most competitive place to invest to do business and to grow our workforce
00:09:51.680 that should be the focus of any serious government remember tariffs at the end of the of the day
00:09:57.680 folks and i'm glad harrison and ryan and tanya i'm speaking to your audience on this tariffs at the end
00:10:03.040 of the day are another distortionary tax on canadians right tariffs are not good we shouldn't be giving
00:10:11.920 the government more of our money and that's exactly what a tariff does if you really want to be the
00:10:16.880 most competitive country don't give the government more power to tax you we need to get the government
00:10:23.600 out of the way so more entrepreneurs can make more stuff that money buys grow the economy bring inflation
00:10:31.040 down and make sure we have more job opportunities that pay higher canadians across the country know
00:10:37.520 that the economy is in a bad way because they feel it at the grocery store they feel it during their
00:10:42.400 christmas shopping we all know it's bad and it's been bad for many years but at the same time we've
00:10:48.400 had politicians gaslighting canadians telling everyone that things are so great that maybe it's
00:10:54.880 even sunny ways one might describe it as that that the economy is doing great and compared to our g7
00:11:00.400 partners you know canada is really strong right now the reality is canada is canada on a jet on a per
00:11:07.680 capita gdp level is below that of alabama take a look at this montage of canadian leaders gaslighting
00:11:14.880 us into telling us that our economy is somehow performing so well we're drawing in global investment
00:11:20.880 to a higher rate than just about any other country per capita in the g20 we are delivering things that
00:11:27.840 make a real difference in canadians lives i take a little bit of issue uh with what you said about what
00:11:33.280 the economy needs what the economy needs is for people to be able to afford their groceries we're
00:11:38.480 focused on canadians i'll let the bankers worry about the economy there's a lot to feel optimistic
00:11:43.520 about it particularly when we look at uh the uh overall situation of our economy which is uh predicted
00:11:49.600 to grow faster than most of our peers including faster than the united states next year it's really
00:11:55.680 really easy when you're in a short term survive i got to be able to pay the rent this month i got to
00:12:01.200 be able to buy groceries for my kids to say okay let's put climate change as a slightly lower priority
00:12:11.120 and that's something that's instinctive when the storm comes you want to hunker down and just sort
00:12:15.440 of huddle up and wait for it to blow over we can't do that around climate change canadians are
00:12:21.760 justifiably proud of our immigration system it has made our economy the envy of the world it's how we've
00:12:28.640 built strong diverse communities it's how we've demonstrated the differences can and must be a
00:12:34.880 source of strength because we have been so fiscally responsible over the past years we have room to
00:12:42.000 respond if there is no more to do we have the lowest deficit in the g7 the best debt to gdp ratio in the
00:12:50.000 g7 the international bond rating agencies have confirmed canada's triple a rating i'd just like to
00:12:57.920 say a couple of words about the canadian economy uh we've had some positive news over the past few
00:13:04.160 months uh we have now had inflation down within the bank of canada's target range for seven months in a
00:13:12.720 row and in july inflation hit a 40-month low that is four months in a row that inflation has been within
00:13:21.120 the bank of canada's target range that is really good news but of course that economy isn't about
00:13:26.400 numbers economy is also about people tanya what what is going through the minds of these canadian
00:13:32.480 leaders why do they even bother when everyone knows they're not telling the truth i think it's
00:13:39.040 all smoke and mirrors right if as a politician you say to everybody look how badly we've screwed up look
00:13:44.160 at how we've just destroyed the economy please vote for me in the next election it's not going to work
00:13:50.880 if you lie and say look at what a fantastic job we've done don't you want to vote for me in the
00:13:55.600 next election maybe you've got a chance well and the problem is is that the opportunity to actually
00:14:02.480 tell everybody that things aren't going so well was a long time ago that was the opportunity for them
00:14:08.240 to say you know what we've seen some of our policy decisions they're not going the way with that we
00:14:12.960 thought we take responsibility for that we're going to course correct but no they've decided to just
00:14:18.080 double down and triple down and the problem is harrison i'm seeing on social media i was on like
00:14:23.120 just like a facebook feed uh earlier today and i'm seeing the liberal talking points we have the lowest
00:14:28.480 debt to gdp ratio we have this and we have that i'm like clearly these are people that are only watching
00:14:33.120 cbc and are only watching these clips and unfortunately that's what they're believing or they're bots
00:14:38.400 right and on let's just look at per capita gdp right the the the buying or the purchasing power
00:14:45.840 of the average canadian and canadians the indicator as to whether or not canadians are getting richer or
00:14:51.440 poorer and for six consecutive quarters that number has been decreasing i believe it's now eight out of
00:14:57.120 the last nine quarters uh per capita gdp has been decreasing um you know people throw this word the
00:15:03.760 recession word around and i want to ask you franco is canada in a recession whether it's uh whether it
00:15:09.440 technically follows the definition of of a gdp well speaking of gdp right it's a bit of a funny little
00:15:19.120 statistic that the government loves to use and what's included within gdp well one of the metrics
00:15:24.960 that influences that statistic is government the bigger the government is the bigger the gdp statistic
00:15:33.280 can be because it's a direct factor in gdp outcomes right so the government can juice the gdp
00:15:40.880 statistics so to speak by increasing the size of government now i want a proof point of that let's
00:15:46.800 just look to the latest jobs uh report from statistics canada right well if you go back to
00:15:53.520 before the pandemic february 2020 the number of government employees across canada has gone up by 18
00:16:00.560 percent since pre-pandemic the number of workers outside government has gone up five percent government
00:16:08.160 jobs 18 percent jobs outside of government five percent so you know when you talk about the health of
00:16:14.720 the economy it's better to actually split up the two different sectors the government sector and the
00:16:20.640 private sector the makers versus the takers well if you're in government you're doing just fine right we
00:16:28.000 mentioned the number of jobs increased across canada but let's just look at the federal government
00:16:32.880 in less than a decade trudeau has added 108 000 extra federal government bureaucrats not only that
00:16:39.840 there's been more than a million pay raises handed out in the last four years as people and businesses
00:16:44.400 in the private sector struggled there's been more than one billion dollars in taxpayer funded bonuses
00:16:51.040 since 2015 and the bigger bureaucracy collecting bigger paychecks and bigger bonuses
00:16:56.560 means that the cost of the federal bureaucracy has gone up 73 percent under trudeau so when you
00:17:04.720 want to talk about the economy you have to talk about the the tale of two economies where the private
00:17:10.960 sector has been taking it on the chin small businesses individuals paying higher taxes government
00:17:16.960 regulations making it harder to build anything in canada then within the golden gates of government
00:17:22.240 you have more bureaucrats taking bigger pay and all the other types of perks is it possible that uh this
00:17:29.920 rate cut will uh trigger more housing starts yeah i mean it is possible right um i'm not exactly sure
00:17:40.160 uh what's going to happen there but you bring up the housing affordability issue right like remember the
00:17:45.280 government also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars funding and promoting a report that
00:17:50.400 recommended a form of a home equity tax well here's the thing you're not going to build new homes with
00:17:55.840 taxes you build new homes with hammers and nails so you got to cut the regulations to allow entrepreneurs
00:18:01.360 to actually build more homes now speaking of canada's government housing agency i saw a report today at a
00:18:08.880 black locks the online news site uh talking about one of the cmhc uh brass saying you know like we're
00:18:15.520 not going to tell you about our bonuses that's personal information yada yada yada but to really
00:18:20.080 put a cherry on top of this folks like think of this okay over the last four years what since the
00:18:25.280 beginning of 2020 we have been in a housing affordability crisis the housing agency of the
00:18:31.360 government that's supposed to be dealing with this housing crisis has failed and they still handed out
00:18:36.800 102 million dollars in bonuses let's let's get into this um uh ryan you know canada right now has
00:18:46.400 the lowest housing availability in the g7 at the same time that this government likes to tell us that
00:18:53.600 in the g7 canada's economy is actually doing well we've we're cutting our rates out a faster rate than
00:18:58.640 any other g7 country does that really matter if canadians can't afford to buy a house if canadians 0.86
00:19:05.120 at the highest rate are going to food banks to put food on their table no and and this is why
00:19:12.880 when they trot out these statistics and then they try and tell canadians that everything is great
00:19:19.200 unless you are a senior that has no mortgage where you have a savings and you're still getting cpp on top
00:19:26.800 of that and you're not feeling this nobody believes them and people are frankly getting more and more
00:19:32.880 insulted when you know you you have people that are fighting to actually stay in a house rather than
00:19:41.520 you know have to consider going to canadian tire picking up a tent and going living you know next to
00:19:46.400 their three other friends that are living in cars and living in tents now yet you're being told by
00:19:51.520 christian freeland we're not in a recession we're in a vibe session it's just in your head that you don't
00:19:56.400 have enough money it's just in your head that you have to skip meals every other day in order to actually
00:20:02.000 pay rent it's just in your head that your parents have had to come and live with you and your kids
00:20:07.760 have had to come and live with you because they can't afford anywhere to live so it's it's just
00:20:13.440 downright insulting to the vast majority canadians and this is why you've seen despite the all of this
00:20:20.080 bravado of this gst holiday and the rest of this the poll numbers for the liberals haven't budged
00:20:26.720 tanya we've got vibe session we previously had a she session during the 2021 election campaign um you
00:20:35.040 know we've got we've got people who you know the prime minister since he doesn't think about monetary
00:20:38.800 policy christia freeland telling canadians to cut their disney plus where is the seriousness with
00:20:44.480 these people do they not understand that canadians are really suffering at a rate that they probably
00:20:51.680 haven't in many many years it's either that they don't understand or again it's the smoke and mirrors
00:20:56.640 that they know full well what's happening and they're just trying to hide it from the canadian
00:21:00.720 public because they want to get re-elected i mean all these liberals have to do is come out of their
00:21:07.440 ivory towers and start talking to everyday canadians 25 of canadians are living in poverty and that
00:21:13.600 includes children and at the same time 25 of canadians are having to use the food bank and then you have
00:21:20.640 the statistic that over 300 foreclosures are happening every day in this country canadians
00:21:26.960 can't afford their homes canadians can't afford food canadians can't afford gas in the car to go to
00:21:32.320 work canadians are living on credit we have i think the stat is that we have the most consumer debt out
00:21:40.720 in terms of households in the g7 canadians are are overspent and the liberals are pretending like
00:21:47.920 none of this is happening that we're not suffering you know it feels as though that for every stat the
00:21:52.800 government rolls out there's three or four that are absolutely catastrophic to prove the other to
00:21:59.040 prove the opposite point franco are we are we leading towards you think in early election is the
00:22:05.440 government trying to do this to uh to become more popular and to try to trigger some uh some gdp
00:22:11.520 growth in the lead up to a potential election is that is that what people are talking about
00:22:14.560 you know i don't know um that's a great question but like i'm here in ottawa i talk to people every
00:22:19.440 day in in political circles and you ask 10 different people you get 11 different answers on when they
00:22:24.160 think the next election is is going to be right but like um like look uh we're talking about like do they
00:22:30.400 just not understand uh number one they don't understand because they live in a completely different
00:22:35.520 world right they live in a taxpayer funded party that that's what they that's what they have going on
00:22:40.800 remember folks like every single year while you struggle while you pay higher taxes where you can
00:22:46.960 barely afford to pay your rent your politician gives themselves a pay raise every single year
00:22:53.280 right the minister's pay raise or the minister's salary like freeland or guibo or whomever
00:22:58.480 is just shy of three hundred thousand dollars every year the prime minister's salary is four
00:23:03.920 hundred and six thousand dollars they have taken five pay raises since the beginning of 2020 pandemic
00:23:11.360 inflation crisis housing crisis none of that stopped these politicians all of them by the way
00:23:16.720 from taking a pay raise every single year they have become financially divorced from the people they're
00:23:24.400 supposed to represent right it's called the house of commons for a reason but they are living in a
00:23:31.840 different life from us not only do they have these huge salaries they get this huge pension when they
00:23:37.120 retire if they don't get a pension they get a six-figure severance they get a transition allowance they get
00:23:43.120 a ton of their expenses paid for so they are living on a taxpayer gravy train they have no idea how hard it is
00:23:52.320 for the average canadian out there ryan is it possible is it really possible that they don't understand
00:23:57.840 because the polling is so obvious everywhere they look even surely even their internal polls are telling
00:24:04.400 the liberals that they are in deep trouble so they know it's not working is it possible that they don't
00:24:09.600 care i think i think it's a little bit of a nuance because i think what's going on we've seen that the
00:24:19.520 liberals um they they use these theatrical answers in question period these non answers when they're
00:24:27.280 challenged by reporters they know what's going on um i think the issue is is they are in a survival
00:24:34.960 situation when it comes to their government they're in a survival situation when it comes to their uh
00:24:39.360 their post-political careers because just you remember a lot of these liberals are going to be losing
00:24:45.600 their seats and that's going to have to transition them uh kind of to franco's point from the ivory tower
00:24:51.680 back down to to the streets with the rest of us so they have to be thinking about what am i going to
00:24:56.880 be doing after that is there going to be any business that is going to be interested in putting
00:25:01.440 christia freeland in a senior position that is going to have her in charge of their budget probably not 1.00
00:25:06.400 after this so um i think they they do know kind of what's going on um you see that you see it every
00:25:14.320 day where they say oh i've talked to my constituents and they're there they love everything that we're
00:25:18.720 doing um only to be refuted by either a reporter or or another politician saying i i actually talked to
00:25:25.200 those same people and they said this is a disaster so they've been caught out on so many scandals it's
00:25:30.800 obvious that they knowingly act unethically they knowingly try and cover some of this up unethically
00:25:37.120 um and at this point they they have lost the control of the house so the only thing that they
00:25:43.280 can try to control right now is the narrative so i think they know better and it's it's more devious
00:25:49.280 than that it's not that they don't care is that they care more about their political and personal
00:25:54.800 fortunes than they do about the average canadian tanya i want to bring it back to tiff macklem's
00:26:00.960 announcement um on on wednesday he said very notably he said that the available jobs did not come close
00:26:09.440 to the uh to the amount of supply in the labor market boy that that uh that labor shortage sure went 1.00
00:26:15.040 away fast didn't it it did and i think we've been seeing this for several months because i remember
00:26:19.920 looking at stats can uh back in the summer regarding this saying why are we getting 90 000 new jobs but
00:26:27.280 our unemployment rate stays the exact same it's because we are welcoming more new canadians than
00:26:33.520 we have jobs for we're not creating all these new jobs to support the number of people that we have
00:26:39.520 seeking those jobs well and as we saw unemployment rose again at 26.8 percent so um you know it comes
00:26:49.120 back to freeland and the liberals talking up oh we're making all these jobs it's great well you keep
00:26:54.480 bringing in more people to this country than we have jobs for so what do you think is going to happen 1.00
00:27:00.400 you're going to have more unemployed people and then that has the direct effect on the uh the per capita
00:27:06.720 gdp continuing to go down franco do you think that the federal government looking back on this
00:27:13.280 really a mass immigration experiment that we've gone through which now appears to be correcting itself the 0.76
00:27:17.760 government now appears to be correcting was that designed to artificially raise the gdp and and and
00:27:24.480 convince canadians that things are going great by just bringing in millions of people i'm not sure what
00:27:30.400 the intentions were behind that if i could just be perfectly honest right i'm not sure if it was for the
00:27:36.160 reason that you suggest perhaps they just thought that they were doing the right thing like i honestly
00:27:40.880 don't know um but look at the end of the day and i want to bring it back to a point i made earlier
00:27:45.600 if you want to have real economic success you have to build things and produce value that is the only way
00:27:55.200 you can't create economics true success by printing money out of thin air you can't bring about real
00:28:03.440 success and real better living standards by spending money from the government that we don't have you
00:28:09.840 can't do that the only way to build a true resilient economy that brings success to all canadians
00:28:18.000 is to build stuff and provide value and the only way we're going to be able to get our economy firing
00:28:23.920 on all cylinders in that way is to cut back the size of government businesses canadians are over
00:28:31.760 regulated the government is way too big we have to shrink regulations cut red tape and drastically
00:28:39.280 cut the size and scope of not just the federal government but all governments across canada
00:28:44.960 yeah i was going to kind of lead into that and open it up to the panel and ask what worked for this
00:28:50.160 country in the past there was a time before justin trudeau that we had a world-leading economy
00:28:55.120 that people thought the canadian economy and the canadian financial system was
00:28:58.720 was really a north star uh to follow what worked for us in the past and what is it that we're going
00:29:04.080 to have to do to get this country back to that position i'll open that up to anyone well i think
00:29:11.440 i think you can go back as early as stephen harper and we had one of the most vibrant and bustling middle
00:29:17.040 classes um during his government uh towards the end and this is following uh recall the 2008 uh crash that
00:29:26.960 hit the world and it didn't he it hit it didn't hit canada as hard it obviously hit the united states
00:29:32.640 the most but um through having someone who understands finance at the head of the country i think it
00:29:40.640 allowed us to recover now did he do the best job he uh he possibly could have no of course not uh every
00:29:47.280 government makes mistakes but he was able to get us back to a point where you know we were doing okay
00:29:54.400 housing prices didn't just skyrocket under stephen harper they were on a steady trajectory
00:30:01.360 and he was able to have the economy recover in a gradual manner and this is the issue with
00:30:06.880 the interest rates coming down as fast as they are they should be coming down gradually they
00:30:11.120 shouldn't be falling like a stone you know uh tanya let me ask you this because we look at the data we
00:30:18.240 see that the united states also has a a cost of living issue the price of goods in the united
00:30:25.280 states has increased but compared to europe and canada the united states has been doing far better
00:30:32.400 both canada and europe have fallen off in comparison to the united states and we hear a lot about you
00:30:37.600 know joe biden being um you know bad for the us economy but compared to justin trudeau i mean the us is
00:30:43.760 just far ahead of us it appears on almost all these other metrics well justin trudeau managed to
00:30:51.200 double our deficit in what the nine years that he's been in office um when when covet hit initially
00:31:00.240 they said okay everybody who's qualified will receive two thousand dollars per month for two months
00:31:06.400 and then that's it but they just kept the serve checks rolling and i know a lot of people did lose
00:31:10.800 their jobs during that but now we're finding out that many people who were working and did not
00:31:15.440 qualify received serve that's a lot of money that went to individuals that really didn't deserve it
00:31:21.280 and where did that money come from it was just created out of thin air well and you also have the
00:31:25.920 the seba loans as well uh the recent bombshell report that came out i think it was over three
00:31:30.320 billion dollars went out to what was it 77 000 businesses that did not qualify for it as well
00:31:36.800 so um when you have all of that happen and and and then when you're talking about our housing uh our
00:31:44.400 housing market i think we were in lockdown far more than the united states and what did that do that
00:31:50.960 drove people to look at buying houses away from urban areas so they didn't feel like that they were being
00:31:56.240 cooped up uh in in a concrete jungle and and feeling like they were in a prison so um
00:32:01.840 um you can just go on and on and on and there are so many aggregating factors to this and you had a lot
00:32:09.520 of other european countries as well kind of do the same thing but you had a lot of the states in the in
00:32:14.960 the united states not really apply too much to the lockdown approach some some of the more liberal states
00:32:21.520 you know we're in longer than others but um as a country they didn't all follow kind of this the same
00:32:27.840 the same strategy so i they came out of lockdown way earlier than everybody else and i think it had
00:32:34.080 a a drastic impact on that franco i want to you know we like to try to end the show on on a positive
00:32:40.400 note but we're not going to be able to do that on this no i gotcha i gotcha i want to ask no no but i
00:32:46.400 got to ask you how bad is this going to get for canada what is what is the what is the six seven month
00:32:53.120 um outlook for us right now well i mean the the answer is it depends right i mean if the government
00:32:59.200 keeps doing what it's doing it's it's gonna keep not being very good for anyone not not in the
00:33:04.240 government i mean uh to tanya's point the government has doubled the debt in less than a decade like
00:33:09.440 interest charges on the debt federally cost taxpayers more than one billion dollars every week every time
00:33:16.960 you pay the federal sales tax every dollar you pay in the federal sales tax go to goes to pay
00:33:22.560 interest on the debt the federal government is spending more money on interest charges than it
00:33:28.160 sends to the provinces in health care transfers now what's so worrying is that like there is there will
00:33:33.040 be an election in 2025 presumably and like you have a government that is behind in the polls by about 20
00:33:39.520 points so what are they going to do well i'm worried they're going to try to keep buying votes with
00:33:44.400 people's kids and grandkids money racking up more and more debt uh they got to find a dance
00:33:49.600 partner in the house be it the block or the ndp are they going to try to do a deal with them to
00:33:54.720 raise taxes or increase even more wasteful spending to get their support uh now harrison
00:34:00.720 on the bright side let me let me uh end on a good note canada should and can be the most prosperous
00:34:08.800 country in the world for sure we have brilliant people here we're a very well-educated workforce
00:34:16.720 we have abundant natural resources diverse natural resources right we are right beside
00:34:25.040 the world's largest economy there is no reason that canada cannot be the freest most prosperous
00:34:33.200 country in the world we just need to cut back the size and scope and cost of the government
00:34:42.160 well you managed to pull us back from the darkness and end on a positive note franco we appreciate it
00:34:48.480 and we appreciate you joining us on the northern dispatch reminder the poll at the poll question
00:34:54.400 for this episode is this and it's linked in the top comment of this video is the trudeau government
00:34:59.920 intentionally manipulating the economy for political points engage with us let me hear what you guys have
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00:35:11.680 you joining us we'll speak to you all next week