Juno News - April 17, 2025


Keean Bexte and Candice Malcolm REACT to French Debate, Scrum, CBC MELTDOWN


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Candice Malan talks with Kian Bextel about the post-debate scrum, the French-language debate, and why the question Mark Carney was asked by the first person in line to ask a question is so important.

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00:00:00.000 Half of young Canadian women say they're putting off kids,
00:00:03.000 because they can't afford them.
00:00:05.000 But Mark Carney wants 100 million people,
00:00:09.000 not for families, for the machine.
00:00:12.000 No homes, no hope, and no future.
00:00:16.000 Just growth at any cost.
00:00:19.000 Not to build Canada, but to change it.
00:00:30.000 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
00:00:33.000 We have a great episode for you today.
00:00:35.000 We're going to get to the French language debates a little later in the show.
00:00:39.000 The debate was really interesting.
00:00:40.000 I think Pierre Paulyev won the debate.
00:00:42.000 I think Yves-Francois Blanchet also won the debate.
00:00:44.000 We're going to talk about that later.
00:00:45.000 First, I want to talk about the post-debate scrum,
00:00:49.000 because for independent media, this is our time to shine.
00:00:52.000 And so to talk about that with me today,
00:00:54.000 I have Kian Bexton, my co-founder at Juno News,
00:00:56.000 and the man that was first in line to ask Mark Carney a question.
00:00:59.000 last night.
00:01:00.000 Kian, welcome to the show.
00:01:02.000 Thanks for having me.
00:01:03.000 Okay, so walk us through it.
00:01:05.000 First of all, how did you get to the front of the line?
00:01:07.000 And tell us any interesting tidbits
00:01:09.000 about what it was like behind the scenes of the debate.
00:01:11.000 Yeah, so it was not my first rodeo.
00:01:13.000 This is the third leaders debate that we attended.
00:01:15.000 Obviously, we sued the commission three election cycles ago
00:01:21.000 so that we could get access,
00:01:23.000 because this is kind of the one chance every four years
00:01:26.000 we have to speak to the leaders of our country.
00:01:29.000 Pierre has been a little bit more open with us.
00:01:32.000 But, you know, Aaron O'Toole was not.
00:01:34.000 Andrew Scheer was not.
00:01:36.000 And Justin Trudeau certainly was not.
00:01:38.000 Mark Carney is showing up to be more of the same,
00:01:40.000 where they use the tools of the state, the RCMP,
00:01:43.000 buildings, access, and other limitations
00:01:46.000 so that only people like Rosemary Barton and David Cochran
00:01:49.000 get to ask them questions.
00:01:51.000 Now, I thought my question was pretty reasonable.
00:01:54.000 I, you know, I had a long list of questions
00:01:57.000 I wanted to ask Mark Carney,
00:01:59.000 all the way from Jelaine Maxwell
00:02:01.000 and his relationship with her to his tax documents
00:02:04.000 that nobody can seem to find in 2022,
00:02:07.000 to maybe what he spoke about with Xi Jinping in 2024
00:02:12.000 when he was advising Trudeau
00:02:13.000 and had some weird secret meeting
00:02:15.000 with the president of the Communist Party of China.
00:02:18.000 But I landed on a pretty fair question that I, you know,
00:02:21.000 I actually thought of it right before I came up to the microphone.
00:02:24.000 And I asked, I mean, I guess we can play,
00:02:27.000 but I asked, do you think Justin Trudeau was a good prime minister?
00:02:30.000 Because he's really been trying to distance himself from Justin Trudeau.
00:02:33.000 He's this new guy, but Justin Trudeau was still great.
00:02:36.000 So he's still trying to maintain the support that Justin Trudeau had.
00:02:40.000 And he can't really outright say, no, Justin Trudeau was a disaster,
00:02:43.000 which 70% of Canadians, more than 70% of Canadians agree.
00:02:47.000 Justin Trudeau was an absolute disaster.
00:02:49.000 By the end of his term, they thought he was a disgrace.
00:02:51.000 He should resign.
00:02:52.000 And he would have lost this election resoundingly
00:02:55.000 if he was the one running.
00:02:56.000 So what Mark Carney's thoughts on him are
00:02:59.000 is extremely material to this election.
00:03:02.000 And when the CBC and all of these pundits and losers
00:03:06.000 who are paid way too much to spew their garbage
00:03:09.000 say that our question was unreasonable.
00:03:11.000 I mean, Alex Zoltan of True North came after me.
00:03:14.000 We'll get to that.
00:03:15.000 We'll get to that.
00:03:16.000 But let's stick to your question, Kian, because you're right. 0.99
00:03:18.000 Let's play the clip because I want to show, first of all,
00:03:20.000 I was a little surprised.
00:03:21.000 I thought you were going to ask a spicier question, 1.00
00:03:23.000 but the question you asked was completely professional,
00:03:26.000 completely reasonable.
00:03:27.000 I was actually surprised that no one had ever asked that to Mark Carney.
00:03:29.000 And you could tell by his response.
00:03:31.000 He didn't have a canned answer, right?
00:03:33.000 Like no one had ever asked him that question.
00:03:34.000 And that in and of itself is valuable journalism, right?
00:03:37.000 The fact that you thought of a question that no one else thought
00:03:40.000 just shows why it's important to have freedom of the press
00:03:43.000 so that you have different kinds of journalists
00:03:45.000 that think differently from different parts of the country
00:03:47.000 with different backgrounds.
00:03:48.000 And to try to get the leader to answer honestly, right?
00:03:51.000 When they're just asked the same questions
00:03:53.000 that they're asked from the CBC day in and day out,
00:03:55.000 he develops talking points and canned answers.
00:03:57.000 And so you're not getting a real authentic reaction.
00:04:00.000 You're just getting the sort of PR version of the campaign.
00:04:03.000 And that's what we're trying to avoid.
00:04:05.000 So let's play this clip.
00:04:07.000 This is Kian Bextie.
00:04:08.000 You were the first one.
00:04:09.000 Well, technically, you were the second questioner.
00:04:12.000 There's two microphone lineups.
00:04:14.000 And so the first question went to the other side.
00:04:17.000 And then this is Kian last night asking the question.
00:04:20.000 Hi, Mr. Kearney, Kian Bextie, Juneau News.
00:04:23.000 In your estimation, was Justin Trudeau a good prime minister?
00:04:27.000 Yeah, Justin Trudeau and the previous administration made a number of contributions to this country.
00:04:35.000 I suspect since I have 10 minutes, I think, right, for the responses,
00:04:40.000 I'm not going to enumerate them all.
00:04:42.000 I'll make one point which I think is relevant on the way looking forward,
00:04:46.000 which is, as I said the other night in an interview,
00:04:50.000 he and I, we share the same values in terms of solidarity,
00:04:53.000 taking care of one another, the emphasis on reconciliation,
00:04:59.000 emphasis on equality of all Canadians,
00:05:02.000 and building a better country for everyone else.
00:05:05.000 The difference, one of the differences, there are many,
00:05:07.000 but one of the differences between the two of us
00:05:09.000 goes to the question I was just asked,
00:05:11.000 which is I put much more emphasis on the economy, on growing the economy.
00:05:15.000 In fact, in this circumstance that we're in,
00:05:18.000 given the scale of the crisis and what needs to be done,
00:05:21.000 I would say a relentless focus on growing the economy to work for all Canadians.
00:05:26.000 So you can see that he kind of eventually got to where he wanted to go,
00:05:29.000 which was, yes, I have the same values as Justin Trudeau,
00:05:32.000 but I'm better at managing the economy, basically.
00:05:35.000 And if he had been asked that question 10 times on the campaign trail,
00:05:37.000 that's what he would have said.
00:05:38.000 But the telling part was the,
00:05:40.000 and it did remind me, I mentioned this on our live stream last night,
00:05:43.000 but there is a really important part in the US 2024 election
00:05:46.000 when Kamala Harris went on The View, right?
00:05:48.000 She wasn't doing any difficult interviews throughout the campaign.
00:05:50.000 She went into a friendly environment, kind of let her guard down.
00:05:53.000 And a very simple question from Sonny Hostin was,
00:05:55.000 what would you do differently than Joe Biden?
00:05:57.000 And she couldn't think of anything.
00:05:58.000 She couldn't think of a single thing.
00:05:59.000 And that in and of itself was newsworthy because it's like,
00:06:02.000 okay, so she's not differentiating herself from Joe Biden.
00:06:05.000 I sort of got that from Carney last night,
00:06:07.000 that he knew that he should say no.
00:06:09.000 He knew that he should say,
00:06:11.000 distance myself from Trudeau because everybody hates him.
00:06:14.000 But he couldn't because he believes in so many of the same things as Justin Trudeau.
00:06:19.000 And he holds the same values.
00:06:20.000 And he wants everyone to know that he's equally as left wing as Justin Trudeau.
00:06:24.000 And so to me, that was just such a fantastic, wonderful question.
00:06:27.000 What, what was your response and reaction to that?
00:06:30.000 Well, I did ask a follow-up where I sort of detailed how, well, okay, you think he's great.
00:06:35.000 And it sort of shows because you've kept all of his teams surrounding you.
00:06:40.000 You've kept the guy that released Paul Bernardo from maximum security prison.
00:06:51.000 You've made him your chief of staff.
00:06:54.000 You know, this was wildly unpopular.
00:06:56.000 He made the person who made his life's work, the carbon tax, Steven Gabot, his lieutenant in Quebec.
00:07:02.000 And Terry Guion, Justin Trudeau's media enforcer,
00:07:05.000 who I don't know if he's going to be staying around very long.
00:07:09.000 I've heard rumors that he might be on the way out.
00:07:11.000 But for now, he's Mark Carney's media enforcer.
00:07:16.000 So he has this full team.
00:07:18.000 And that's, I mean, those are the higher ups.
00:07:20.000 His entire cabinet and caucus all the way down are almost identical to Justin Trudeau.
00:07:25.000 So the question really is like, sure, the leader might have changed.
00:07:29.000 But, you know, the caucus doesn't change their beliefs.
00:07:33.000 He's not changing their ideology.
00:07:34.000 He's not changing their belief system.
00:07:36.000 Leopards don't change their spots, as they say.
00:07:39.000 And, you know, Justin Trudeau had these guys walking in lockstep with him.
00:07:43.000 They were his biggest fans for a decade.
00:07:46.000 They're not just going to be like, oh, yeah, now we need to get serious about the economy.
00:07:50.000 Now that Mark Carney is a leader and we're going to leave all of this crazy garbage that the country hates, like the carbon tax.
00:07:56.000 You know, even one of I was going to get to this if I could have asked another question.
00:08:00.000 One of one of Mark Carney's candidates said yesterday that she couldn't promise that the carbon tax would never come back, meaning that, yeah, it's paused for now because it's electorally unpopular.
00:08:12.000 But just you wait, give us a majority.
00:08:14.000 And in year two, we're going to go back to the same old garbage that we've been doing for the last decade.
00:08:20.000 There really is no difference between this liberal party and Justin Trudeau's liberal party.
00:08:24.000 It's just that this guy has a new smile.
00:08:26.000 Right.
00:08:27.000 OK, well, we have the second clip.
00:08:28.000 So this is Kian Bexley's follow up question.
00:08:30.000 You're given one question, one follow up.
00:08:32.000 And here is where he details similar to what he just said.
00:08:35.000 Now, the interesting thing for me, Kian, is, again, Mark Carney's reaction because he hasn't really clued into the fact that you're not part of the media guard.
00:08:42.000 Like, I think he just probably assumed that any journalist ever asked him a question has been screened by the CBC.
00:08:47.000 Their questions have been vetted by his campaign.
00:08:49.000 So he's never going to get a new question, specifically not a big night like tonight.
00:08:52.000 Like maybe it was a break in.
00:08:53.000 So you can see Mark Carney kind of saying, like, I haven't seen you at my press events.
00:08:58.000 Well, of course, because he's had Kian banned and arrested when Kian has tried to come to his campaign events. 0.99
00:09:04.000 I think the mic was hot when I said, well, yeah, because you've been kicking me out.
00:09:08.000 I said that under my breath.
00:09:09.000 I didn't think that that was going to be a call, but it was pretty.
00:09:11.000 My mom texted me afterwards.
00:09:13.000 She's like, we all heard you.
00:09:15.000 Yeah.
00:09:16.000 I mean, the Internet heard you too, Kian. 0.69
00:09:17.000 OK, let's play the clip.
00:09:18.000 And yes, pay close attention to the hot mic with Kian and Carney's sort of bewilderment that someone was asking a question that he hadn't been pre-approved from him.
00:09:29.000 Let's play that clip.
00:09:31.000 Your entire campaign does seem to be predicated on putting you in the front and hiding the people that stood in lockstep with Justin Trudeau for the last 10 years.
00:09:40.000 You're kind of hoping that Canadians won't connect the dots that the people standing behind you in your caucus walked in lockstep with them.
00:09:46.000 Regardless of what you say right now, Stephen Gobeau made the carbon taxes life work.
00:09:50.000 The man that moved Paul Bernardo from a maximum security prison is now your chief of staff.
00:09:55.000 I'm wondering how you reconcile this and how you can trust their judgment when they thought those ideas were good ideas.
00:10:00.000 I'd say a couple of things to that rather odd question.
00:10:03.000 First is that the candidates in this election for the Liberal Party, I mean, you go and see when I make an announcement.
00:10:12.000 I don't think I've seen you at any of them, but next time you can come and you will see a wide range of the candidates that are there presenting themselves.
00:10:21.000 So, for example, with respect to our announcement on crime, we had Bill Blair, now the Minister of Defence, of course, formerly the Chief of Police in a long time in Toronto,
00:10:32.000 and Natalie Provo, who is a new candidate.
00:10:36.000 We're honoured to have her and someone who's dedicated their life to helping to end gun violence and violence against women.
00:10:45.000 There is a very wide range of candidates that have come to the party with me.
00:10:50.000 There's a lot of fresh blood. There's also a lot of experience that's there.
00:10:54.000 And you need that combination of energy, new ideas, experience, and a fundamental passion for making this country better in order to serve at this crucial time.
00:11:05.000 Thank you very much.
00:11:06.000 You know, this is the first time that I'm actually rewatching this.
00:11:09.000 And he actually did quietly there say, next time you can come.
00:11:15.000 Yeah, I know. I put it on X at the time because I said, I think he just gave you an invitation.
00:11:19.000 I think you should try to use that to get in because the thing about Carney is he's trying to be likable and he's trying to be reasonable.
00:11:25.000 And again, I don't think that like his staff adequately warned him that at the leaders debate, independent media are allowed to ask questions.
00:11:33.000 And so he I mean, his answer is interesting, too, because he was trying to emphasize the new blood.
00:11:38.000 And I think he named one candidate that was new and then also named Bill Blair and basically tried to emphasize like that he is different.
00:11:46.000 And then, yeah, just in that little kind of like back and forth between you, he he seemed like friendly to the idea that you should be able to come to his events,
00:11:53.000 which makes me think that to your earlier point, maybe it's not even Mark Carney that's banning you and other independent media from his events.
00:11:59.000 It's like the Trudeau holdover staff that are like so ingrained in this idea that conservatives and independent journalists are the enemy and that under no circumstances can they get anywhere near a leader?
00:12:12.000 What do you think?
00:12:13.000 Yeah, I I'm going to have to take them up on that offer and go.
00:12:18.000 I have a feeling I know how this is going to turn out, but, you know, there's I've been I've been sort of gauging the temperature and the response.
00:12:28.000 And, you know, the response from the mainstream media has just been breathless.
00:12:32.000 You know, they're furious because after I did that, you know, there was about half a dozen independent journalists that asked really, really prickly questions.
00:12:41.000 And I'm wondering if there's like if there's a sweet spot here where we can ask questions that are serious that our viewers want answers to that would never be asked by the mainstream media, but aren't so stinging that they'll let us back in.
00:12:59.000 So we can keep doing it because it's not so much about the the stunt every four years.
00:13:04.000 These questions are important.
00:13:05.000 And if we're able to ask them in a professional way that even when the viewers see it, they say, yeah, you know, that's a fair question.
00:13:12.000 And that's honestly been I mean, there's some crazy liberals that have been saying he shouldn't be allowed your microphone anywhere, which, you know, they're never going to change their mind.
00:13:20.000 But these these moderates, these centerists are saying, well, you know, Keane's question actually was pretty legitimate given, you know, I could list the questions that I had prepared that I could have asked and they would have stung.
00:13:32.000 But I decided that this was probably better. And I'm glad that we did, because, you know, maybe if we can build a relationship with Mark, if he wins, I will, you know, we will not survive another four years if we are not able to hold him to account.
00:13:47.000 If he, you know, if he's governing this country with just him and Rosemary Barton in the room discussing what Canada needs, we're going to have a really big problem.
00:13:56.000 So we need people like Juneau News putting a light on him and whatever we need to do to get into these rooms to ask him questions that our viewers and Canadians at large want answers to.
00:14:07.000 We need to do that.
00:14:09.000 Absolutely. Well, we can go through some of the others.
00:14:11.000 I think that Rebel News did a fantastic job when it came to Jagmeet Singh.
00:14:15.000 They were able to get two questions to him.
00:14:17.000 Trey Humphrey asked a really, really strong question about anti-Christian like hatred, burning down churches.
00:14:26.000 Jagmeet just made an absolute fool of himself, refusing to answer. 0.99
00:14:29.000 I do want to play Alex Zoltan's clip, though, because he was able to ask two questions just like you.
00:14:35.000 His questions were more prickly. They were on one of these divisive social issues.
00:14:39.000 And I think your point, right, if we lived in a normal country where there was press freedom, True North and Juneau News and the Rebel counter signal, we would be able to ask questions of the leaders day in and day out.
00:14:50.000 Right. And so our questions wouldn't feel so out of place and they wouldn't be so shocking to people if it was just an everyday occurrence.
00:14:58.000 But because we only get one shot at this, like we're going to make sure that the questions count.
00:15:02.000 So here is True North's Alex Zoltan asking Mark Carney how many genders there are and then asking if he supports women-only spaces.
00:15:11.000 Let's play that clip.
00:15:12.000 If you thought my friend's question was odd, you're going to love this one.
00:15:15.000 I'm glad you self-assessed that. Okay.
00:15:18.000 How many genders are there? 1.00
00:15:20.000 There, in terms of sex, there are two. Thank you.
00:15:26.000 My follow-up question then, do you believe that women, biological women, have the right to their own spaces, their own sports, their own change rooms, their own prisons, their own homeless shelters? 1.00
00:15:38.000 I think we, this is Canada, and that as a general objective, yes, we, but we work in where we value all Canadians for who they are and we'll continue to do so.
00:15:58.000 Thank you very much.
00:15:59.000 That was without a doubt the best question of the night.
00:16:03.000 That really exposed Mark Carney for who he was.
00:16:06.000 I mean, I will say he eventually, at least the first one came to the right thing.
00:16:10.000 He said there's two, which I imagine might be controversial to some on the far left people who support him because they believe that there are, I think someone's, didn't someone say that they, someone heckled Alex and said there's 27 genders or something?
00:16:22.000 Anyway.
00:16:23.000 And then the second question he did not answer.
00:16:25.000 He just said, this is Canada, like kind of in theory.
00:16:28.000 Yes.
00:16:29.000 But, and I think he's saying in Canada, we accept others, meaning that we, we need to accept men in women's spaces, basically.
00:16:36.000 So he, he didn't come to a very good answer there.
00:16:39.000 And it is newsworthy.
00:16:40.000 Like I, that was the question that made my phone blow up and people messaging me, friends, former colleagues, people just saying like, thank you, because that is a question that I want to know.
00:16:50.000 And that is a question that is important to me as a mother, you know, with daughters and playing sports and all these kinds of things.
00:16:56.000 Like the, these are issues that matter.
00:16:58.000 Okay.
00:16:59.000 The journalists don't like it.
00:17:00.000 But, but this is a question that should have been asked to him.
00:17:03.000 The thing is this exact question was asked of Pierre Polyev.
00:17:08.000 Right.
00:17:09.000 The exact question.
00:17:10.000 So, so why is it okay to ask?
00:17:12.000 Well, I mean, I know why, and I'll, I'll say why it's okay to ask Pierre that because it was coming from the perspective of, you must say that there's some like vague third option of, you know, non-binary two spirited queerness that you need to accept right now while I grill you with this important question.
00:17:30.000 That's why that question was okay when Pierre Polyev was asked it, but when it was asked by Alex Zoltan, it was asked from a different perspective.
00:17:36.000 Now that the world has sort of woken up from this weird fever dream where they think that there's 27 genders.
00:17:41.000 And now it's sort of like culturally appropriate to accept biological reality and know that there is only two.
00:17:47.000 And I don't know what the world was thinking for the last half decade.
00:17:51.000 Now that he's asking the question from that perspective, it's absolutely outrageous, alt-right, crazy, outrageous that you do that.
00:17:58.000 But the average viewer seeing that there's nothing that could legitimize our cause more than asking these questions in this, in this format right now, which is why the liberals are so furious on Twitter, on X, on whatever, whatever social media they're using these days.
00:18:16.000 When they're coping and seething, you can tell that they are wounded by the questions that we asked because they were so effective because we had a national audience.
00:18:25.000 We did our job and it shows because they're so furious.
00:18:29.000 Well, let's get to some of that. So the CBC was covering the event live.
00:18:33.000 You pointed out in our live stream as well, Lasse, you were out in the freezing cold because they wouldn't let you do a call, like a stand up or an interview from inside the building because the event was hosted at Radio Canada's headquarters, CBC headquarters in Montreal.
00:18:45.000 And so you had to go outside. We saw the nice, beautiful tent that they had created for Rosemary Barton while you were out in the cold.
00:18:51.000 So let's go inside the tent. And here is Rosemary Barton calling us a very right wing website and adding that it was the debates commission, how dare them, that let us in.
00:19:01.000 Rosie, I'm curious what stood out to you, because at one point when some of those last questions came up, I just checked.
00:19:07.000 Yeah, no, we're in Canada. Because these, the identity politics questions have not emerged much.
00:19:13.000 This happens on the same day that the United Kingdom court ruled that women and sex refer to biological women and biological sex.
00:19:22.000 True North is a very right wing website. And there have been issues in the past with who gets allowed into these scrums and who's allowed to ask questions of the leaders.
00:19:34.000 The debates commission was the one who decided that these people were allowed to come in and ask these kinds of questions. So there you go.
00:19:43.000 These people, remember when Don Cherry got cancelled for saying that? And there was Rosemary Barton saying it about us.
00:19:49.000 The other journalists that she was talking to, Arsenal, I can't remember her name.
00:19:54.000 She said that she couldn't believe that it was Canada and that these questions, these divisive social questions were being asked in Canada.
00:20:02.000 And Rosemary Barton said, you know, it was just a few days ago in the UK that the Supreme Court ruled that women are women and men are men, right?
00:20:08.000 So this is an important issue around the world. You mentioned that Pierre Polyev had that question asked to him.
00:20:13.000 I think it was about two months ago or three months ago when President Trump signed an executive order saying men are men and women are women.
00:20:20.000 And then he went on CP24, which is a Toronto news station, and the host asked him how many genders there are, right?
00:20:26.000 And so that was a legitimate question. I want to take us back one year ago in February 2024.
00:20:31.000 Danielle Smith in Alberta announced the ban of sex change operations for children.
00:20:37.000 And the entire parliamentary press gallery ran to ask Pierre Polyev.
00:20:43.000 So I'm just going to play a clip of this scrum here.
00:20:46.000 They all are asking this question of Pierre Polyev just one year ago.
00:20:52.000 Do you support age restrictions for puberty blockers and hormone therapies for trans kids?
00:20:58.000 I think that Justin Trudeau is trying to divide and distract Canadians by spreading disinformation about the decisions that premiers and parents are making.
00:21:11.000 What do you think? What do you think?
00:21:14.000 I want to know your position. It's your own party policy. It's your own party policy.
00:21:18.000 I think we should protect the rights of parents to make their own decisions with regards to their children.
00:21:23.000 And I believe that adults should have the freedom to make any decision they want about their bodies.
00:21:29.000 How much children demand surgeries and medical interventions for minors as your own party members suggested?
00:21:34.000 Medical interventions like what?
00:21:35.000 That is the language that your party used.
00:21:37.000 What medical interventions?
00:21:38.000 Well, you would have to ask your party members.
00:21:39.000 What medical interventions?
00:21:40.000 Such as puberty blockers and hormone reformers.
00:21:42.000 For minors?
00:21:43.000 Yes.
00:21:44.000 Irreversible?
00:21:45.000 You're talking about irreversible?
00:21:46.000 I would like to understand your position.
00:21:48.000 I just want to be clear.
00:21:49.000 I want to be clear.
00:21:50.000 I want to be clear.
00:21:51.000 Do you read blockers for minors?
00:21:52.000 Do you agree with that?
00:21:53.000 Do you agree with that?
00:21:54.000 I think that we should protect children and their ability to make adult decisions when they're adults.
00:21:59.000 Okay, so I just put that clip to show you that the entire parliamentary press gallery, you could hear them all shouting.
00:22:05.000 And look, I don't begrudge them for that.
00:22:06.000 That is their job as journalists, to ask questions of our leaders.
00:22:09.000 But my only question is, why is it okay for the entire parliamentary press gallery to be pressing Pierre Polyev like that, pushing him, trying to get him, trap him in, answering a question that you could tell he hadn't prepared an answer to?
00:22:22.000 And it takes him a while.
00:22:23.000 And it takes him a while, but eventually he gets there and says, no, children shouldn't have to, shouldn't be allowed to make decisions, you know, for adults, adult decisions or for adults.
00:22:32.000 But my only question is, why don't they do that to Mark Carney?
00:22:35.000 Like, why is it that we have to know the position when it comes to divisive social issues from the conservative leader?
00:22:41.000 But even just asking any kind of question like this to Mark Carney is just absolutely unacceptable, according to these journalists.
00:22:50.000 Well, you've said it yourself.
00:22:53.000 It's because they're doing.
00:22:55.000 It's they're allowed to.
00:22:57.000 We're not allowed to.
00:22:58.000 They know how effective it is.
00:23:00.000 They've run the country for decades supporting Justin Trudeau by using this playbook, attack the conservatives on social issues and mask liberal insanity.
00:23:10.000 As much as possible by using the tricks of the trade to launch softballs at them that are, you know, you know, what kind of shampoo do you use when you're in an airplane with the leader of a G7 country?
00:23:23.000 And that's the question you ask him.
00:23:25.000 It's intentional.
00:23:26.000 You know, that that's how they protect Justin Trudeau for a decade.
00:23:29.000 And they're hoping for another decade with Mark Carney.
00:23:32.000 And I, I'm not going to play by those rules.
00:23:35.000 And I don't think anyone in Juneau is and and Rebel News and Western Standard and Epoch Times.
00:23:41.000 I don't think that they're going to do.
00:23:43.000 I don't think that they're going to play by those rules anymore because the stakes are so high now.
00:23:48.000 And we know what their game is.
00:23:50.000 We know what the tricks are that they use.
00:23:52.000 And we're going to use the exact same ones to get answers for our viewers, because at the end of the day, this isn't about a stunt.
00:23:59.000 This isn't about me.
00:24:00.000 This isn't about Alex Zoltan.
00:24:02.000 This isn't even about Juneau news.
00:24:04.000 It is about our viewers and Canadians at large and getting them results, which means getting them answers to questions that they can't ask themselves.
00:24:14.000 But they're sitting at their dinner table saying, man, you know, I wonder what Mark Carney actually thinks or what he what he would say when he was asked an unscripted question about, you know, should my daughter be able to be guided down this.
00:24:28.000 Trans pipeline by the school garden guidance counselor.
00:24:32.000 What does Mark Carney actually think about that?
00:24:35.000 These Canadians want to know an answer to that and many other questions.
00:24:38.000 And, you know, if he wins, we'll have four years to grill him on it.
00:24:41.000 I just hope that he's not going to be using the same tricks that Trudeau used to keep us out, which, you know, given his track record during the campaign, I'm not so bullish on.
00:24:52.000 But I guess we'll see.
00:24:54.000 We do have a recording of him inviting me.
00:24:56.000 So maybe I'll just bring that with me when I go to his next question.
00:25:00.000 Show up on your phone.
00:25:01.000 OK, let's go to a bit more of the reaction.
00:25:03.000 Here is CBC's David Cochran saying that the Debates Commission must be accountable for daring to allow us in the door.
00:25:10.000 I think the Debate Commission is going to need to be accountable for what's kind of happening here.
00:25:16.000 They've moved the time of the debate the day before.
00:25:18.000 They kicked the Greens out the morning of.
00:25:20.000 And they've opened up the scrums and the press access to a bunch of groups who sometimes are registered charities or have been defined by their owner as not actually a journalistic organization or have been ruled by the federal court to not be a journalistic organization.
00:25:34.000 And in an election like this one with very, very substantive debate on very substantive issues, moderated very well and executed very well by all the leaders.
00:25:42.000 This is where this is going.
00:25:44.000 And we've got another clip here.
00:25:46.000 This is CBC senior reporter Ashley Burke, again, saying that the post-debate scrums were dominated by right wing media groups and basically just saying, like, how dare us how dare us go and ask questions.
00:25:58.000 Play that clip.
00:25:59.000 The leader spoke post-debate in those scrums.
00:26:03.000 What did you hear from those scrums?
00:26:05.000 The post-debate scrums were dominated by right wing media groups who flooded leaders with questions on topics unrelated to the debate.
00:26:13.000 One did ask Carney if he felt Trudeau was a good prime minister.
00:26:16.000 Carney said that he was and that they have shared values, including taking care of Canadians, reconciliation and equality.
00:26:22.000 Interesting that she felt the need to like rehash Carney's answer to you, like to explain to viewers that he don't worry, folks.
00:26:29.000 He did a great job answering key of these questions.
00:26:31.000 A bit more of the reaction.
00:26:32.000 So we had former cabinet minister for Justin Trudeau, Catherine McKenna saying, thank you, Jagmeet Singh.
00:26:39.000 This is how you deal with disinformation peddling rage farming outlets.
00:26:44.000 Of course, Jagmeet Singh just rather embarrassingly refused to take a very good question from the Rebel News.
00:26:51.000 And to me, he just showed how like his intellectual inability to engage with issues that he doesn't understand that we don't have time to get to that as much.
00:27:01.000 But he he's just he's just such a joke.
00:27:04.000 Anyway, next, we have Ezra Levant, who basically took us behind the scenes a little here.
00:27:09.000 And he writes that at least a dozen other journalists were literally heckling Drea as she asked her question, including Justin Ling, who wrote about Drea's question in the Toronto Star, but forgot to mention that he was shouting at her.
00:27:23.000 OK, so, you know, these these legacy media journalists, you know, they're not exactly unbiased, right?
00:27:30.000 They were there heckling you guys.
00:27:32.000 I'm told that during the debate itself, they were basically laughing and cheering any time Pierre Polyev got a tough question and were like actively cheering on Mark Carney.
00:27:42.000 And then the journalists took their rage from us and shifted it towards the debates commission.
00:27:47.000 So here's Andrew Coyne on X saying fire every member of the debates commission.
00:27:53.000 Chantal Hebert agreed both.
00:27:55.000 Both of these are at issue panel.
00:27:57.000 She says brought to you by the debates commission, a gong show.
00:28:00.000 And then you have Chris Selle of the National Post saying this is the end of the debates commission.
00:28:08.000 Bank it.
00:28:09.000 And finally, Amanda Rose, who I wasn't familiar with this person, she's an entrepreneur. 0.99
00:28:13.000 She writes that watching Rebel News and True North ask bad faith questions after the debate is the best argument for public funding of the CBC.
00:28:21.000 We need journalism, not propaganda.
00:28:24.000 So just quickly here, Kian, like to folks that don't really understand, like, OK, so this is what happened.
00:28:30.000 Prior to Justin Trudeau being prime minister, these debates during the election used to be organized by the private media companies themselves.
00:28:36.000 Right. So CTV might do one. Global might do one.
00:28:38.000 McLean's might do one.
00:28:39.000 And basically every media company kind of like offers to organize them.
00:28:43.000 And then they see which leaders agree to show up to them.
00:28:45.000 Justin Trudeau, as he did for so many other issues, decided that the government needed to be in charge of this, that even though the free market was doing a perfectly fine job doing it, he wanted the government to take over.
00:28:55.000 So the government took over and they use that to try to ban independent media.
00:28:59.000 And so interestingly, before you and I actually worked together, we teamed up because in 2019 they banned True North Andrew Lawton.
00:29:06.000 And then you were working at The Rebel that time and they banned you as well.
00:29:09.000 And so we decided to sue. Ezra heard that we were suing, called me up, say, we're going to sue, too.
00:29:14.000 The courts decided to hear our two cases together.
00:29:17.000 And so we went to Toronto.
00:29:19.000 We had our case heard before a federal judge the day of the debates.
00:29:23.000 And it was happening on a Monday.
00:29:25.000 We were in court that day.
00:29:26.000 And the judge, a federal judge, ruled in our favor and said the government cannot prevent citizen journalists from asking questions of their leader.
00:29:35.000 So we got that court order.
00:29:37.000 We used that to get Andrew Lawton into the debate, to get you into the debate.
00:29:40.000 In 2021, they actually let True North in so we didn't have to sue.
00:29:44.000 Rebel was not allowed in.
00:29:45.000 They sued again.
00:29:46.000 They got in.
00:29:47.000 And so this time around, the Debates Commission just didn't even bother trying to block us.
00:29:52.000 They saw the writing on the wall that the courts, the judges, as much as I often disagree with what happens in courts in Canada, this time they got it right.
00:30:01.000 They made the right decision, saying in a free society, Canada is still a free society.
00:30:04.000 It's still a democracy.
00:30:05.000 We do have freedom of the press.
00:30:06.000 These are journalists.
00:30:07.000 You must let them in.
00:30:09.000 And this, you know, 364 days a year, we don't get in.
00:30:13.000 The one day a year, and it's not even per year because it's every four years or every two years whenever there's an election, we have a court-ordered paper saying that we are accredited journalists.
00:30:21.000 Let us in.
00:30:22.000 And so they did.
00:30:23.000 And last night, it was actually wonderful to see.
00:30:25.000 You know, the debate itself was kind of predictable.
00:30:28.000 They spent like half the time talking about the environment.
00:30:30.000 They spent a full 10 minutes, by the way, talking about abortion, right?
00:30:33.000 So here they are saying that in Canada, we shouldn't have to talk about social issues during a campaign.
00:30:39.000 And yet they're happily taking 10 minutes above the debate to talk about an issue that, you know, much to my disappointment, all of the parties have the exact same view and no one's going to change any law.
00:30:49.000 It shouldn't even be an election issue.
00:30:51.000 But anyway, there were a lot of independent reporters.
00:30:54.000 There were a lot of independent journalists there, not just from the Rebel, True North and Juno News.
00:30:59.000 There were a couple of other ones, French language ones, groups on the left that I hadn't heard of before, and they were actually the best questions.
00:31:05.000 The questions that the legacy media were asking were literally the same things that were covered in the debate.
00:31:10.000 They were just asking the questions again for some reason, whereas the independent media brought new ideas, fresh energy, a different perspective.
00:31:18.000 Again, to me, this is this is like what the purpose of the media is.
00:31:24.000 What do you think about all that?
00:31:25.000 Yeah, that one person said that this is the death of the Debates Commission.
00:31:29.000 You know, I don't think that the liberals are going to be happy with this.
00:31:33.000 But I think that it's kind of missing the point here.
00:31:36.000 I think this is the death of the legacy media or at least the beginning of it, because our our viewership is huge.
00:31:44.000 Our engagement is high and our questions are great.
00:31:48.000 The what we did was more effective at getting answers for Canadians than anything Rosemary Barton did all day, all week, probably the whole campaign.
00:31:57.000 Nothing received more traction than what we just did.
00:32:00.000 And, you know, I think that it might be topped by tonight.
00:32:03.000 See what happens.
00:32:04.000 It's going to be an absolute gong show tonight.
00:32:07.000 I'm really excited to see what happens.
00:32:10.000 And I you know, I'm preparing my questions now.
00:32:13.000 It all depends on which leader we get, because it's kind of it's kind of random how they open the gates and let a leader out.
00:32:19.000 You're not sure where you're going to be in line and we'll see, I guess, what happens.
00:32:24.000 But it's going to be a rodeo.
00:32:26.000 I think that it is going to show again that the mainstream media can't be trusted with the truth.
00:32:32.000 They can't be trusted to hold leaders accountable because they are built to be machines that siphon grant money away from the federal government.
00:32:41.000 That is all they exist to do.
00:32:43.000 Their corporate structure is designed for it.
00:32:46.000 They do it well and they're desperate to keep it running, to keep filling their machine with the fuel of taxpayers dollars.
00:32:53.000 So, you know, I don't expect any tough questions from them.
00:32:56.000 There's a few.
00:32:57.000 I mean, there's a few at the CBC.
00:32:59.000 They're not going to be let in the question line because only one outlet, like every outlet only gets one question except for Rebel, which has an exemption.
00:33:07.000 I don't think any tough questions are going to be asked by the legacy media, by the mainstream media.
00:33:11.000 I don't hold high hopes.
00:33:13.000 If they do, it's just going to be finding, you know, Pierre's worst moment in the debate and rehashing it.
00:33:19.000 That is all they will do.
00:33:20.000 You can bet money on that.
00:33:22.000 That's what they'll do.
00:33:23.000 Because, you know, whatever the weakest point is, they'll find it and they'll exploit it because their goal is to stop Pierre Paul.
00:33:29.000 They'll probably have from winning.
00:33:30.000 And our goal is to get answers for Canadians, which is what journalists used to do.
00:33:35.000 You know, this is this is sort of like old style journalism where the goal wasn't to persuade people one way or the other.
00:33:43.000 It was to get answers and the leaders will persuade people themselves.
00:33:48.000 They'll do their job.
00:33:49.000 Mark Carney's answer on gender spoke for itself.
00:33:52.000 Maybe some far left extremists who, you know, were supporting his party because they wanted to stop the conservatives might realize them.
00:34:00.000 You know, Stephen Harper chose Mark Carney for a reason because he wasn't some radical SJW.
00:34:06.000 And these people who naturally want to support the NDP and these left wing extremist causes, maybe they're going to be dissuaded from it.
00:34:13.000 It's not our job.
00:34:14.000 You know, frankly, some people saying that we didn't move the needle at all.
00:34:17.000 It's it's they're they're kind of telling on themselves a little bit in the mainstream media that they think that the media's job is to move the dial.
00:34:25.000 And is to convince people that, you know, orange man bad, blue man good or red man good.
00:34:32.000 It's that's not the case.
00:34:33.000 Our goal is to get answers.
00:34:34.000 That's it.
00:34:35.000 That's it.
00:34:36.000 Exactly.
00:34:37.000 Yeah.
00:34:38.000 Like the people that said that we were asking bad faith questions, I generally don't understand.
00:34:41.000 Like, I think that the questions were just motivated by an interest in what the prime minister will say.
00:34:46.000 And that should be what's motivated all journalists really looking forward to tonight.
00:34:52.000 I do want to make one point. The debate itself, like I said, it was, you know, I thought Pierre did really well.
00:34:58.000 It was very jarring to have to watch a debate through translators.
00:35:01.000 I didn't like the voices that they chose.
00:35:03.000 Like both Pierre Polyev and Jagmeet Singh had like very annoying voiced translators.
00:35:08.000 And the only thing I could really.
00:35:10.000 You sounded exactly like him, though.
00:35:12.000 Did you notice that?
00:35:13.000 I did. Yeah.
00:35:14.000 And then Francois Blanchet had this like beautiful British accent.
00:35:17.000 So he he got the best voice in the in the translators.
00:35:20.000 But basically, like you could only kind of judge it by how they looked.
00:35:24.000 And I thought that Pierre Polyev looked very confident.
00:35:26.000 I think that he was hitting the right notes.
00:35:28.000 And it seemed to me that Mark Carney just looked weak and uncomfortable.
00:35:31.000 He made a couple of blunders like he said that he was going to continue to support UNRWA,
00:35:35.000 which is a very discredited global aid organization that has been infiltrated by Hamas.
00:35:42.000 The framing of the questions themselves were also like everything was focused on Trump.
00:35:47.000 And then they spent a very long time talking about the environment.
00:35:49.000 When they finally got to talk about immigration, the way that the question was framed,
00:35:53.000 they literally asked whether Canada should accept refugees from the United States because of Trump.
00:35:58.000 That was the immigration question.
00:36:00.000 Like we have a totally broken immigration system that has been destroyed and pillaged from 10 years of Justin Trudeau.
00:36:04.000 That is the root cause of so many other social problems that we have and economic problems in our country.
00:36:09.000 And yet the way that CBC debate framed it was literally can people from Haiti who don't feel safe in the United States under President Trump come to Canada.
00:36:18.000 It did give Pierre Polyev an opportunity to shine and to point out Mark Carney's radical position with the Century Initiative and 100 million.
00:36:26.000 I don't know that many Canadians had heard that before.
00:36:28.000 But interestingly, Kian, they've announced that they have removed immigration from the English debate tonight.
00:36:33.000 So French Canadians and Quebecers are allowed to talk about immigration.
00:36:37.000 English Canadians are not. 0.99
00:36:39.000 And so, you know, this is the thing about these government debates is what they omit is just as important as what they don't,
00:36:45.000 which means all the more likely that the independent media asking questions are going to want to go there because the mainstream media censors it and they don't allow these questions to take place.
00:36:54.000 So we will be back tonight, folks, 6.30 p.m.
00:36:57.000 We are doing our live stream.
00:37:00.000 The English debate starts at 7 p.m. Eastern, and then it will be two hours.
00:37:04.000 So the post-debate scrums, that's the part you're going to want to grab your popcorn and tune in to see what kind of questions get put to the leaders.
00:37:13.000 I wonder if they'll pull some shenanigans, Kian, to try to prevent the independent press from asking questions of the leader.
00:37:20.000 I don't know that they can, but I feel like they're going to try.
00:37:23.000 So we're going to want to watch that part and then we'll be back after all of that with more post-debate analysis.
00:37:29.000 So I hope you will tune in.
00:37:31.000 Kian, thanks so much for your time and thanks for your work and good luck tonight.
00:37:34.000 Thank you.
00:37:35.000 All right, folks, we will be back at 6.30.
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