Juno News - Kimmel faces cancel culture over Charlie Kirk falsehoods

00:00:00.480 it's been like a rough couple of like a week or so like i'll admit so um i am actually going to

00:00:06.800 unplug this weekend and i am going to turn on some like happy halloween like movies and stuff

00:00:12.560 i still have an old vcr and i'm going to fire up some of those old halloween tapes with like

00:00:17.200 donald duck and stuff and i'm i'm going to decorate i'm going to decorate for halloween

00:00:21.520 and all of my halloween decorations like none of them are gruesome they're like all cartoony

00:00:26.080 you're like super happy ghosts and like happy pumpkins and like black cats and stuff so

00:00:30.640 i need uh i need some unplugged time uh isaac what are you planning on doing this weekend

00:00:36.960 yeah i mean i i have this i've been i've had my friend gave me this flagpole and i'll wear a flag

00:00:42.400 to put up on my house like a month ago let's say but i haven't got around to that uh for a few reasons

00:00:47.680 one i've just forgotten but two you know with the whole uh alberta separation movement and where i

00:00:55.280 live i'm scared genuinely that someone might like uh egg my house i don't know for think about how

00:01:01.680 insane that is by the way chris for putting up an alberta flag like there are crazy people out there

00:01:06.000 that see that as some sort of extremely bad thing an alberta flag we're talking about a provincial

00:01:11.760 flag like people see that as a we remember the safe way that took it down i mean it's ridiculous that

00:01:17.040 that thing that this is what it's come to yeah if i can give you any motherly advice it would be

00:01:22.320 don't cave to the crazy um and i have an alberta flag in front of our house and so far no eggs

00:01:28.480 and even if there are eggs you know the magpies will eat them like honestly um the alberta flag's

00:01:34.080 a a nice thing and also my favorite color has always been that blue um waleed i see that you

00:01:38.560 have an alberta flag behind you already um what are your plans for this this weekend do you need

00:01:43.840 to unplug a little bit too absolutely actually my plan for the weekend was uh actually just

00:01:48.240 volunteering some of my time to coach some soccer at the local club nearby where i live in the east

00:01:52.560 end of ottawa uh simply because i love dealing with youth i love dealing with young people

00:01:56.960 or towards the closing end of the warm weather so i'm assuming sometime around october next month we'll

00:02:01.920 see some more wind colder days colder nights so as much as you can enjoy the outdoors i'll try to

00:02:07.920 extend that period for as much as i can and of course try to log off uh the weekend as well because i

00:02:13.040 mean you know during the day and even beyond the working hours we're always on social media

00:02:17.520 as journalists and of course we're always not only uh contributing to the discussion but we're also

00:02:22.160 observing and embracing what's going on so that we can share with our viewers so i i appreciate that

00:02:27.680 job i love it so much and sometimes i do it on the weekends but i think for this weekend i might try to

00:02:32.320 tone it down a little bit just for the sake of you know again touching some grass uh enjoying some fresh

00:02:36.800 air and hopefully keeping my mindset as positive as i can given light of recent news uh around the world

00:02:42.800 frankly all right so let's all look forward to touching grass uh but first uh we need to stick

00:02:47.920 our heads back into this matrix so uh let's get things started

00:02:56.560 welcome to off the record which is actually on the record uh here with the true north wire um

00:03:01.680 my name is chris sims i'm the alberta director for the canadian taxpayers federation sitting in to kind

00:03:07.200 of shepherd the conversation today uh with two of my good friends isaac and waleed uh isaac you're here

00:03:13.840 in alberta you're in the capital there in edmonton and waleed you said you're in the east end of ottawa

00:03:18.560 are you in orleans or whereabouts absolutely nice uh one of my parks is is out that way and my husband's

00:03:25.120 gym was out that way i love orleans um all right we have to get into some topics here that are kind of

00:03:30.480 tough uh and so we're like freedom of expression freedom of speech um touching on this because of

00:03:37.920 the canadian taxpayers federation we were fighting against things like c11 which was the big you know

00:03:43.360 clamp down on what you can hear say and see on the internet and that was being funneled through the crtc

00:03:49.600 because the thinking goes like this if you can't express yourself freely you can't hold government to

00:03:57.120 account and at the end of things with the taxpayers federation that means that they can tax you all

00:04:03.120 they want they can ban vehicles all they want um you can't actually speak out against it so freedom of

00:04:09.280 expression is fundamental which is why i wanted both of your thoughts isaac you will lead on what's going

00:04:14.880 on in the states right now in the wake of the assassination obviously of charlie kirk now we're seeing

00:04:21.920 some clampdowns happening through government regulators on shows um i wanted just to throw

00:04:28.640 this out to you guys i actually don't know what to think about it it's also happening in the states so

00:04:33.760 i'm trying my best to stick to my knitting and write about the bc budget um what do you guys think about

00:04:38.240 this yeah chris it's you know it's such a tough topic because uh let's just say broadly right-wing

00:04:47.520 pundits have been generally i'd say against cancel culture especially because we've seen that uh

00:04:52.400 specifically in regard to anyone speaking out against lgbtq and the movement or the pride movement

00:04:57.680 or pride indoctrination even in schools etc and that's kind of where i think canada's cancel culture

00:05:04.320 has been focused now we're seeing uh people in the states like jimmy kimmel there get get fired for

00:05:11.040 saying just uh obscene things about charlie kirk after he was assassinated which of of course as as

00:05:17.360 an immediate reaction you're gonna think is a good thing but then it's like well am i now supporting

00:05:22.080 cancel culture the thing i've been fighting against for so many years so it's a really weird uh conundrum

00:05:26.560 that we will find ourselves in waleed in terms of cancer culture i mean the honest truth is that you

00:05:32.640 will not have the same formula for both sides in terms of what convinces people to want to cancel someone

00:05:36.880 in the first place you know you can get to the same results between pem bondi and previous

00:05:41.360 attorney generals or or previous uh you know uh figureheads in the white house you can get to the

00:05:46.080 same level of of let's say a push for censorship or cancellation from the government onto the private

00:05:51.920 sector or on the private sector on itself uh but the formula might be different the issue of the topic

00:05:56.880 might be you know for the left obviously social issues and the nature of the lgbtq movement uh and other

00:06:02.880 you know race-based identity politics are probably the more sensitive issues where the campaign for

00:06:08.640 cancellation is strongest on the right that can include religion that can include uh any affair

00:06:14.080 that happens to be sensitive to conservative voters and voices so i think that as much as i i'll just

00:06:20.080 tell you the truth i don't watch uh jimmy kimmel i don't really watch light night television especially

00:06:24.400 since 2016-17 like i i liked some of it frankly like some of the guests that they used to bring over and

00:06:30.240 the you know the funny shows they used to have but frankly it just became an anti-trump daily rent

00:06:36.080 show for for most really and that kind of became a little bit too repetitive for my liking so uh but

00:06:41.920 besides that i mean i think it's up to viewers to see whether or not uh you know hosted i should you

00:06:47.040 know continue in their in their spot or not i think really the public and the marketplace should be

00:06:51.200 the ones who decide best now in this case i'm sure this company fired him because of some backlash but

00:06:56.480 i'm sure there's some top-down influence from even government in this case and that concerns me

00:07:00.880 for sure so i'm not a fan cancel culture regardless obviously what he says about the

00:07:05.520 the kirk assassination was obscene but there are many people saying many obscene things on television

00:07:10.320 all the time on social media and in all kinds of areas of society so i think the rules are best left

00:07:17.040 consistent and that's for us as free speech advocates and those that practice free speech as journalists

00:07:22.480 on a day-to-day basis i think it's important for us to remain consistent i will point out that here

00:07:27.680 in canada uh there's been different iterations of the attempt to what i would say uh monitor and

00:07:34.720 modify what people can see here and share online like i mentioned bill c11 uh there's currently

00:07:40.640 people are talking about the so-called online harms bill coming back somehow some way in the house

00:07:45.680 of commons and the reason why the taxpayers federation is at least keeping an eye on that stuff

00:07:50.480 is because to your point waleed when you get government involved that's when things start

00:07:56.240 getting interesting so i'll just give you a very um simple example it's from a fiscal standpoint a few

00:08:03.520 years ago okay the canadian taxpayers federation we found the trudeau government they had a study

00:08:10.960 that was within their own department okay it was when the within the department of environment okay

00:08:16.720 that's when steve n guibo was the minister and we found them at least considering slash recommending

00:08:24.000 in this study introducing a tax on suvs and trucks now why am i talking about this in the context of

00:08:31.760 free speech well because folks might remember back when we were fighting things like the carbon tax

00:08:38.160 that we would have mainstream commentators quite often calling us deniers like climate deniers

00:08:45.920 which is a disgusting term um because i wanted to get rid of the carbon tax i've literally been

00:08:51.040 called a fascist like it's the weirdest language okay now coming from some rando online it didn't

00:08:58.080 really matter however the minister took issue with us pointing out hey you guys are thinking at least

00:09:04.880 about a pickup truck tax or an suv tax because of climate blah blah blah um he got so mad that he went

00:09:12.240 online and started calling that misinformation and disinformation which it was not because we had

00:09:19.840 the quotes okay so this is where i'm very careful when it comes to what the government should be

00:09:26.960 regulating that we can say especially as of an advocacy organization that pushes for lower taxes less

00:09:34.080 waste and accountable government sometimes we do stuff to get the government's attention

00:09:38.800 like hand them big golden pig statues to mock them okay that may not be nice that might hurt their

00:09:45.920 feelings but that needs to be okay or otherwise we're not going to be having this conversation

00:09:51.920 anymore so that's where i'm i don't know what to think plus it's in the states however it does influence

00:09:58.560 us so it's one of those things that i'm at least keeping an eye on um i wanted to kind of sort of

00:10:04.560 shift gears here and and move over to what's happening i actually didn't catch this because

00:10:09.840 it wasn't in regards to budgets and stuff what's happening at the university of alberta there was

00:10:14.720 a professor here isaac that you wanted to talk about yeah chris before i get into that i just want

00:10:19.440 to say one thing because you of course brought up the carbon tax and i just wanted to i guess put on

00:10:24.400 the record uh that uh you know the liberals they just move the goalposts completely and it's it's

00:10:28.640 gaslighting in my opinion for example before they're saying oh the carbon tax is the best thing ever it saves

00:10:33.600 eight eight out of ten families money and now they're the house of commons saying the exact

00:10:38.000 opposite we're the best government ever we took off the carbon tax we're saving you money well

00:10:41.760 well how can these it's a paradox obviously so whatever facts are because it benefits them that's

00:10:47.680 why because it's politics are irrelevant to the liberals when it comes to fiscal uh ledgers anyways uh

00:10:54.000 as for the university of alberta yeah chris so essentially an email circulated online from uh the

00:11:01.280 university uh of alberta's faculty of law saying they put a professor on leave so i i reached out

00:11:07.840 to them and i said hey can you tell me who this professor is but uh of course they said due to

00:11:12.560 privacy and safety concerns they could not identify the faculty member but luckily uh some online

00:11:19.120 researchers on x there they uh hypothesized let's say that it was this florence ashley professor for what

00:11:26.640 he was saying on blue sky of all places so uh when i was writing this article i had to do some research

00:11:32.320 on blue sky which was uh i i was i was skeptical to be on that website but anyways they this person

00:11:39.120 uh florence ashley who's like a transgender uh law advocate professor uh what he did was he captioned

00:11:47.280 a post uh this was from ezra klein's opinion piece which was called charlie kirk was practicing

00:11:52.240 politics the right way and the quote from ashley for the caption said quote you do not in fact ever

00:11:58.960 have to hand it to the nazis i utterly do not care for any virtues that someone may perceive in them

00:12:04.400 so uh he didn't go as far as calling kirk a nazi per se but definitely an inference there

00:12:09.360 uh and i mean i i looked on this guy's website uh some crazy some crazy stuff like he was celebrating

00:12:16.160 writing a book which i can't even say here because i swear in it but gender slash effing the pleasures and

00:12:21.360 politics of living in a gendered body i mean this guy's uh completely uh radicalized let's say when

00:12:27.680 it comes to transgender ideology and you know something interesting i want to highlight too is

00:12:33.920 i was uh on his blue sky there uh analyzing all the posts and one of them said quote why do i feel

00:12:41.280 and this guy was ahead of his time he said why do i feel like they'll somehow find a way to blame

00:12:45.600 charlie kirk's shooting on trans people this was of course before the news came out that

00:12:50.720 uh tyler robinson the uh accused uh assassin of charlie kirk was not only living with and dating

00:12:57.040 uh someone who was transitioning and he was completely captured by the ideology in the in

00:13:01.440 these discord rooms and and absolutely uh so his question ashley's did kind of get answered there

00:13:08.400 but uh yeah that's kind of what went on at the u of a so we we think it's florence ashley but certainly

00:13:12.560 can't say for certain because uh well the faculty of law didn't want to give us that certainty but

00:13:18.880 yeah um that's pretty much what happened at u of a this is also troubling um waleed you caught up with

00:13:26.160 uh member of parliament uh melissa lanceman um and again it's all kind of in this same vein and again

00:13:33.200 sorry to sound like everyone's mom here um but i think people need some some time out like people

00:13:39.920 need some calm um three questions i always ask myself uh before i say something or at least try to

00:13:47.680 is does this need to be said does this need to be said right now and does this need to be said right

00:13:55.360 now and by me if the answer to all three is yes proceed with caution compassion and tact

00:14:02.880 so it was advice i read many years ago um and i would just dispense that liberally to everybody

00:14:12.320 um waleed you caught up with melissa lanceman a member of parliament uh and uh she had some things

00:14:20.560 to say in regards to again something going on at the cbc i'm focused on the fiscal um so i didn't

00:14:26.240 see what happened over there uh what was going on you're there in ottawa and you actually got a clip

00:14:30.800 from her what was going on yeah so a few days ago there was a a this was on the french speaking

00:14:36.640 part of the cbc radio canada and there was a journalist that was on the air who said that

00:14:41.760 essentially the reason why the united states is so attached to israel in her view was that

00:14:46.560 you know jews have control over banking financial industries uh hollywood media etc so essentially 0.68

00:14:52.240 wield enough social and political power and financial power to then bring the u.s government against

00:14:57.360 perhaps public interest and that and that was kind of the argument there obviously it invokes

00:15:01.040 you know a very consistent and very common you know jewish conspiracy theory about wielding

00:15:06.640 power over society and over people and that kind of obviously it invokes a lot of possible hatred

00:15:12.240 especially when you're looking at the fact that you know in canada you already have this issue with

00:15:17.440 uh certain you know groups calling for measures because they're witnessing the rise of anti-semitism

00:15:24.640 whether it be happening on marches or happening online on social media uh but my my curiosity is

00:15:30.560 this i was i spoke to lanceman uh she's also the deputy leader of the party conservative party today and

00:15:36.480 of course i'm very curious to know exactly where they said on the cbc issue because i remember you

00:15:41.040 know pierre was always about defunding cbc i'm not sure if he's still there i'm not sure if they're

00:15:44.880 looking to return or advise a change in policy uh but lanceman essentially told me that she believes that

00:15:51.280 that that journalist should be fired in fact by the cbc for now this the individual question has

00:15:56.800 been uh suspended uh i guess on pay um pending a review and investigation any other process that

00:16:04.160 the cbc will apply to the situation but for now i believe the individual remains an employee and so

00:16:09.840 basically she called on that person to be fired i also caught up with uh scott agentson actually the

00:16:15.120 same day yesterday spoke to him about housing and actually he was just on the air a few minutes before

00:16:20.320 i spoke to him on the cbc so i asked him and he said simply like you know we're we're dealing with

00:16:24.960 a lot of hate right now in society you know he mentioned that he sent his own specifically because

00:16:28.640 the question was about that but he just said you know there has to be uh you know co-resistance and

00:16:33.600 social cohesion and that's kind of my view really i mean the main concern i would have beyond just

00:16:39.120 the cbc fiscal issue which concern i already share with you chris uh very much so because i think 1.4

00:16:44.560 billion dollars for uh you know that kind of immediate investment is a really poor return financially

00:16:48.960 speaking um but anyhow my view is that you know uh anyone that uh you know does something to

00:16:56.080 engulf you know sectarian tensions within our country within our society to try to divide us on

00:17:00.800 uh ethnic lines i think uh is doing uh you know a disservice and harm to the canadian project which

00:17:06.240 is one of you know some level of diversity you can say um i think lanceman also spoke about this

00:17:11.360 herself that frankly that the liberals have you know invited this situation to be much more common

00:17:15.920 with the rise of anti-semitism because this is a you know a group of politicians that she said are

00:17:21.680 speaking out of both sides of their mouth saying one thing to one community and one thing to another

00:17:26.000 and this was something that was very interesting because a few days before i spoke to lance once on

00:17:29.680 monday the first day of the fall uh session of parliament i spoke to um i spoke to an mp selma i can't

00:17:37.840 remember her last name uh but she's from an ethnic community herself and she's perhaps one of the more

00:17:43.920 pro-palestine people in the liberal caucus i spoke to her about her thoughts you know so you got the

00:17:48.160 situation in gaza as a genocide as you described the fact that you know she believes that starvation

00:17:52.640 is being used as a weapon in war and she made accusations of war crimes against israel now that's 0.59

00:17:56.800 that's her opinion now if you asked for example someone like anthony house father you have a very

00:18:00.400 different opinion so it seems like the liberals are almost equipped based on their model of diversity

00:18:05.280 to bring about two completely opposite views and somehow build a caucus around each other and what makes

00:18:10.640 me very curious personally chris and maybe isaac you can speak about this yourself is the fact that

00:18:14.960 you have a liberal party that is ready to unite on you know their policy on economy their policy on

00:18:19.920 you know 10 20 different issues but this is the issue where you see such a wide divide between current

00:18:24.400 members former members uh members within the caucus of two different seats in the same area frankly

00:18:29.520 sometimes it's very interesting stuff so i've been following the issue very close in ottawa and i look

00:18:34.640 forward to seeing what else other voices have to say because frankly with the upcoming recognition of the

00:18:39.680 state of palestine this issue is not going anywhere in canada at least in our domestic discourse

00:18:44.400 frankly so again the canadian taxpayers federation we focus on lower taxes less waste and more accountable

00:18:51.600 government um there's a lot going on there and what you both just said um as a former journalist

00:18:57.600 and as someone who wants free expression and lower taxes so that we have more freedom i think a good

00:19:04.880 place to start is to defund the media so as a baseline uh exactly zero dollars should be going from the

00:19:12.960 government to any media organization that includes the cbc which to your point will lead is getting 1.4

00:19:20.240 billion dollars this year uh put another way that could otherwise pay the full-time salaries of about

00:19:27.600 7 000 paramedics plus about 7 000 police officers that's just the cbc it is an astonishing waste of

00:19:37.280 money uh further the cbc now is not the only government organization which is on rather media

00:19:45.200 organization freudian slip um which is on government payroll okay uh much of the mainstream media is now in

00:19:53.040 some way shape or form on government payroll uh black locks reporter which is a completely independent

00:19:58.640 investigative journalism uh website that does amazing work has done the math and it works out to

00:20:03.920 about 29 000 per media employee so at the baseline um this is our new bumper sticker like we need to

00:20:14.880 defund the media we need to stop government funded media and that way i think some form of

00:20:22.880 calm and trust can start being rebuilt uh because right now uh the latest uh barometer on trust

00:20:29.920 it was a study i was reading it's about 62 percent of canadians now believe that what journalists are

00:20:36.800 saying are is actively trying to mislead them with statements they know to be false that's grim that's a

00:20:44.480 serious problem uh because that is how journalists build rapport with their audiences uh they are

00:20:50.720 supposed to be reporting facts they should be asking w5 type questions who what when where why um when

00:20:57.600 uh all of that good stuff and so again i feel like the frog that's jumping out of the boiling water

00:21:05.200 right now and like it's it's it's a bit too much um i wanted to move to what i think a lot most people

00:21:12.480 can feel comfortable focusing on um and that is energy and the cost of living i will say off the top

00:21:20.640 that finance uh former finance minister christia freeland is now leaving um as a minister within

00:21:27.040 prime minister mark carney's cabinet um before with all the accolades that i'm hearing coming from the

00:21:33.840 media largely in the parliamentary press gallery i need to point out some monetary facts here uh christia

00:21:40.240 freeland was observably a terrible finance minister awful uh she never once balanced the budget not 1.00

00:21:48.640 even one time um she oversaw some of the worst fiscal decisions uh of any government starting in 2020. 0.83

00:21:58.160 so before folks are saying oh she was she wasn't she wasn't great like you may like her as a person by

00:22:04.160 all means like that's fine fill your boots or like her as a communicator again that's up to you that's 1.00

00:22:08.560 personal choice but looking at the cold hard numbers in the budget she was a terrible finance minister

00:22:14.560 uh and she was part of the cabinet under the trudeau government which doubled the federal debt

00:22:20.640 doubled it which is one of the reasons why we have a major crisis going on here it was because that

00:22:27.280 government printed money like it was going out of style while locking down industry the two things

00:22:32.160 that happened at the same time that helped cause the inflation problem that we're grappling with right now

00:22:37.760 and she helped oversee a lot of that so straight up terrible finance minister i hope she makes a much 1.00

00:22:44.000 better ambassador i wanted to shift to energy uh where were we on that isaac was that uh was that

00:22:49.840 your piece that you wrote for true north yeah chris so uh a bunch of energy leaders and that's an

00:22:56.560 understatement i mean the biggest energy companies in the country wrote to prime minister mark carney saying

00:23:03.360 that his government needs to change its ways and cut red tape or miss out on what they call the

00:23:08.240 generational opportunity and it's funny a lot of the verbiage the wording in this letter you might

00:23:14.000 think that pierre wrote it himself because they're saying the same stuff he's been saying for so long

00:23:18.080 but yeah so it was 92 signatories on the letter that was 37 ceos of major oil and gas producers and

00:23:25.200 pipeline companies 50 liters from small producers and and yeah pretty much but just to list some of the

00:23:31.520 energy behemoths we're talking about suncorp enbridge canadian natural resources limited

00:23:35.920 imperial oil synovus tc energy like obviously these are the biggest energy companies in the country

00:23:41.760 and uh yeah so they reminded carney first and foremost about the letter they sent him six months

00:23:45.920 ago i think at the time they were um calling for the liberals to declare an energy crisis and then they

00:23:52.640 sent him uh another letter shortly after the election but briefly they basically said in this new

00:23:58.480 letter uh look we've sent these letters but the subsequent actions from your government has not

00:24:02.560 helped in any way shape or form uh here's one quote they said canada still lacks the clear competitive

00:24:09.360 and durable fiscal and regulatory policies required to achieve the so-called grand bargain that bargain

00:24:15.760 being significant emissions and reductions expanded market access and material upstream production

00:24:21.680 growth so yeah no uh they they did all the things that so many leaders have been calling for

00:24:26.720 for so long repeal the federal impact assessment act lift the west coast tanker ban eliminate the

00:24:32.080 unlegislate and legislated emissions cap aka production cap and repeal the carbon levy the industrial one

00:24:40.000 so yeah i mean and they again going back to how they were using poly as verbiage they they said

00:24:46.000 they carney needs to reduce red tape that being regulatory uh barricades that make these projects

00:24:52.960 before you even get a shovel in the ground it takes years going through uh bureaucracy and whatnot

00:24:58.720 so i mean carney's announcing all these things it's like okay in the decade in the next decade we might

00:25:03.040 actually see something but another recurring theme let's call it is alberta premier that we're so lucky

00:25:09.280 to have chris uh danielle smith was all over this unsurprisingly she of course backed the letter and and

00:25:15.760 called on ottawa to remove restrictive policies but even more so two about two weeks before this letter

00:25:22.240 was sent smith essentially just asked for all the same things she uh she because this was when

00:25:27.040 parliament resumed she called on parliament to immediately scrap the oil and gas production cap

00:25:31.280 overhaul the new no no new pipelines act and eliminate the tanker ban and here's a quick quote

00:25:36.880 from smith the national economic self-sabotage has to stop canadians deserve leaders in ottawa with

00:25:43.040 the courage to unleash our full potential restore prosperity and make our country strong again

00:25:48.800 so smith was all over this before the leaders even were but yeah uh we'll see because uh that that

00:25:54.320 six-month deadline she gave carney on those nine uh demands uh is coming to a close here so we'll see

00:25:59.680 what happens when that date strikes uh willie did you want to jump in here before i go crazy on it

00:26:07.040 go right ahead okay so isaac you said it very well there uh good job reporting on this um i

00:26:13.920 fundamentally think that this really matters to people i'm not saying the other stuff doesn't

00:26:19.200 matter but honestly for people's mental health um i'm really encouraging people to try to focus on

00:26:25.280 pocketbook issues right now like really think about what matters to average people in your neighborhood

00:26:30.320 and something we can all agree on so i think most people can agree on things like the government is

00:26:36.320 taking too much of our money our cost of living is way too high how do we fix that okay one of these

00:26:44.400 elements of this is exactly what isaac was just talking about and it's what a lot of those energy

00:26:48.800 companies we're talking about and it's this if we do not get our natural resources out of the ground

00:26:56.800 properly developed and out to market we are all going to suffer economically we are suffering

00:27:03.600 economically right now i'll give you an example okay since i did the math since 2015 okay since the

00:27:13.120 trudeau government came into power okay was elected into power by the people of canada since that date

00:27:19.760 canada has roughly lost out on around 600 billion dollars okay in natural resources meaning the

00:27:30.720 revenue that would have been generated the income taxes it would have been all of that stuff the

00:27:34.400 money that would have occurred because of natural resources between strangled projects projects that

00:27:40.480 have been stopped projects that have been dragged on basically the the slow erosion of these natural

00:27:45.280 resource projects economists not us economists are showing that that cost canada around 600 billion

00:27:53.200 add on top of the fact the the energy cap that isaac just mentioned now you know the pointy heads

00:27:58.880 in ottawa call it an emissions cap but those who understand how we get stuff out of the ground say

00:28:03.680 this is a production cap add on the production cap cost including what the parliamentary budget officer said

00:28:09.200 that this is going to blow i think it was a 20 billion dollar hole in the economy just that one rule

00:28:14.480 okay you add all of that stuff together so that 600 billion plus plus what the pbo was saying

00:28:21.840 that is the equivalent of the federal income tax bills of the entire populations of alberta saskatchewan

00:28:30.480 and manitoba for 10 years imagine if you're one of those folks and this is men women and children

00:28:39.600 it's not taxpayers i just did the easy math with populations okay imagine if you're sitting there

00:28:45.360 working your backside off in alberta saskatchewan and manitoba not having to pay federal income tax for

00:28:52.640 10 years that is what is being done to canada right now and so i will give credit where it's due

00:29:01.120 hearing the language change from carney while he was in europe was super important okay that was

00:29:07.360 really important it was no longer language that was coming from trudeau who is obviously economically

00:29:13.280 illiterate okay who was saying there's no business case for natural gas yes there is so carney wasn't

00:29:18.960 saying that when he was in europe and neither were some of his people that were there that's

00:29:23.680 good but this is the big one it needs to change so they can't just say the government is going to

00:29:30.960 build this stuff we can't we have un money we are way too deep in debt to even think about doing stuff

00:29:38.800 like this this has got to be private investment that feels comfortable and safe leaving their wallet

00:29:46.640 on our park bench okay because right now they don't they think it's going to be gone in a

00:29:52.240 millisecond okay because of things like you just said isaac c69 the so-called no more pipelines law

00:29:58.880 the tanker ban all right all of this chilling effect that has happened what company in their right mind

00:30:05.280 would put their their hard-earned investment money into canada unless they change these things so the

00:30:12.160 language is great coming from carney what needs to happen though is regulatory change they can't just

00:30:18.560 say that the government will do it the government will build like a pipeline or the government will

00:30:23.120 build like you know a port station no no we taxpayers are broke we do not have the money to do this

00:30:31.200 and so that is where i wanted to end with with the cost of living um who had this article i'm not sure

00:30:36.640 who wrote it for true north pointing out again and i will stress this all of the stuff that you

00:30:42.400 folks were talking about off the top and all of that which i'm not denying okay is personally meaningful

00:30:47.200 to people i understand but interestingly i find that ultimately people are still worried about the cost of

00:30:53.520 living um that that is really their number one issue um and yet trump trump trump and the tariffs

00:30:59.920 and stuff seems to be fading into the background isaac yeah i mean look carney won the elections

00:31:07.440 single-handedly focusing on trump and it's nice you were just talking about this chris like 0.87

00:31:13.920 carney's saying all the right things but look talk is cheap and we know that parliament has been

00:31:18.240 prorogued for months now it's just returned so it's like okay the time for talking is over let's see

00:31:23.280 these acts be repealed amended and put forward that are actually going to do what you're you're saying

00:31:28.960 like you can say all these wonderful things oh and and on the on that same note uh carney's announcing

00:31:35.280 all these projects we don't have a budget uh speaking of freeland she resigned before the fall 0.99

00:31:41.120 economic statement uh from trudeau was going to come out because it was so bad and and uh economists

00:31:45.920 are saying carney's is going to be like twice as bad now we're seeing all these liberal mps resign so

00:31:50.880 it's like okay you promise all these great things but you're going to put the country into debt to

00:31:54.480 accomplish them uh that doesn't seem so great actually so we'll see because i think that's

00:31:58.880 coming out on november 4th now so that that's not that far away and i mean this could be some sort

00:32:03.840 of revolt that uh occurs if it's really as bad as people are saying it's going to be but um yeah i

00:32:11.520 mean as for the the the polling here uh like like you said chris i mean first of all he he ran saying

00:32:19.920 he'll be so good against trump and all we've seen from carney is concessions uh for example outside of

00:32:24.640 kuzma we had the fifth worst terror rate tariff rate in the world trump has no respect for carney

00:32:29.280 he in in no way shape or form uh did a good job of negotiating with trump in fact trump would even

00:32:34.720 take his calls most of the time as we saw so uh kind of a let down there if if you really did only run

00:32:41.360 on dealing with trump you have failed in that regard uh so now if you're gonna position yourself

00:32:46.160 as pro-energy or whatever his new uh forte will become let's say then yeah let's see it happen

00:32:52.560 parliament's in session you can you can put these bills forward uh we're waiting uh instead sean

00:32:57.440 frazier of course is saying we're gonna see the online harms act come back bill c63 despite every

00:33:04.080 single group you could think of civil liberties associations uh free speech association saying

00:33:08.720 please don't do this this is way beyond uh just destroying free speech our our our any rights we

00:33:18.720 we thought we had are going to be i mean we we've seen with bill 63 it was ridiculous you could have

00:33:23.360 been what was it seventy thousand dollars for thinking about committing committing a hate crime

00:33:27.600 and government uh associations determining what that even is so i mean you could think of anything

00:33:33.600 you've ever said online and uh it was pierre who quoted uh some things trudeau said in the past and

00:33:39.120 he said you're gonna let justin trudeau be the arbiter of free speech really uh so so hopefully uh

00:33:44.640 well that is coming forward frazier said it only days ago so we'll see but i'm definitely itching

00:33:51.040 to see what other uh parliamentary laws the the liberals announce here because it's it's not it's

00:33:56.160 not looking good in my opinion i will point out that um the mnp research that is often asked where

00:34:03.120 it's like how are you doing financially okay so it's like it's a it's a physical research group okay um

00:34:08.800 and almost always around 50 percent of canadians consistently say they're within 200 of not being

00:34:16.960 able to make their basic bill payments every month that means keeping the lights on that means keeping

00:34:22.640 like the repo man from taking your vehicle like i'm not even joking um usually when things are better

00:34:29.280 that number from my experience in journalism floats between 35 and 40 percent it has been at the 50 mark

00:34:37.520 like consistently year after year after year in pretty much every region of canada that i can see

00:34:43.120 um and so again i think it's on us all to speak for people who are struggling to keep their head above

00:34:50.080 water right now and so i'm frankly it's not surprising to me that cost of living is still uh close to the

00:34:56.000 top uh waleed i wanted to jump in here before we wrap things up yeah so absolutely i've heard this number

00:35:02.240 many times that uh you know 50 or more canadians are 200 or less yeah insolvency so it's obviously

00:35:10.560 uh a good reminder if that's the condition of our country in our society then that's time to look back

00:35:15.280 at the pocketbook issues really i think a lot of social issues frankly go on top of the pocketbook

00:35:20.800 um you know it's the foundation of how we function if people are you know struggling to find work

00:35:26.720 struggling to pay the bills then absolutely you're going to see a wave of people uh you know very

00:35:31.280 critical of the immigration regime yet today bringing a lot of people subsidizing housing

00:35:36.160 subsidizing their costs and taking in temporary foreign workers as well i almost caught up with

00:35:41.680 mark miller yesterday as well i saw marco mendoncino circle around downtown ottawa tried to ask him a

00:35:47.600 question he wasn't really buying it but mark and him and uh i think one more member met up in the

00:35:53.120 conversation i was just watching from my side while i was editing my last article of the day and um i

00:35:58.560 was really curious to speak to mark of course because he oversaw the immigration file last uh under

00:36:04.080 trudeau and you know he probably oversaw a complete shift in the canadian mentality towards immigration

00:36:10.160 right i mean this is the thing is i think it's his tenure where you saw canada go from a once super open

00:36:17.680 super liberal uh society when it comes to the issue of immigration to a country that you know

00:36:22.880 mirrors that of australia and the uk where you see frustrations are at record highs uh of course

00:36:28.640 i think i still think we're probably far behind australia and far behind the united kingdom in terms

00:36:33.600 of the public sentiment but we are definitely headed in that direction and uh you know again you look

00:36:39.600 at the data that you have at ctf and the data that we looked at in juno and true north and published

00:36:45.360 previously i absolutely believe that a cost living situation in canada is what will drive our social

00:36:52.000 cohesion perhaps to the ground unfortunately and again tying it back to one of the issues we discussed

00:36:57.760 earlier on today's show was the cbc well i think the reason why there's such an issue with the cbc is

00:37:02.800 look you'll hear abhorrent things like i said about the jimmy kimmel situation on all platforms from

00:37:07.360 all kinds of people and all kinds of uh journalists or commentators pick where you want to listen to

00:37:12.720 you will hear something that you fundamentally disagree with yes it's good cbc it's like there's almost a

00:37:17.200 tug-of-war fight is i want the cbc to rep more of my side or that side because you know people are

00:37:22.560 paying into it so there is that kind of uh uh you know a user agreement there because you know the

00:37:29.120 tax dollars are going into it and that's kind of where that battle is happening if the cbc wasn't

00:37:33.840 funded by a detour of 1.4 billion dollars and that doesn't by the way include additional funding that

00:37:38.400 carney announced to top on the cbc um that was i think something he said during the election which

00:37:44.240 preston manning said himself could raise some ethical concerns about relationship between

00:37:48.000 government party and of course institution uh but all in all i really do think that our our pocket

00:37:54.720 books are you know fiscal balance sheet are what will take us to a let's just say a more challenging

00:38:00.480 chapter in canadian society and public sentiment on immigration social cohesion diversity and other

00:38:06.480 things that perhaps true does wants uh you know campaign and what elections off of i wanted to cheer you

00:38:12.320 guys up a little tiny bit at the very end here as we say goodbye um as we're going into the budget

00:38:17.680 um keep your ears cocked for uh especially folks who are within government and all governments do this

00:38:23.520 okay not picking on them because they're liberals um the governments will typically say things oh well

00:38:28.240 you know there's nowhere to cut like there is absolutely nowhere to cut this will be austerity we're

00:38:32.800 going to be cutting you know the the the porridge uh budget for orphans like no no how about exactly to

00:38:39.760 your point where lead we can start with uh defund the cbc there you go you're saving at least 1.4

00:38:45.920 billion dollars right off the top right there um and i have heard the conservatives consistently say

00:38:51.200 we need to defund the media defund the cbc so that's good to hear them saying on the this side

00:38:55.520 of the election they've kept saying it so that's good so defund the cbc um get rid of all wasteful

00:39:01.680 spending at things like global affairs canada uh be able to do things like the phoenix pay system

00:39:07.120 which is their own payroll software without blowing more than a billion dollars uh get rid of

00:39:11.600 the so-called gun buyback uh scheme which is just already costing canadian taxpayers hundreds of

00:39:17.280 millions of dollars and it's only going to become a bigger boondoggle and police say that it's not

00:39:21.760 going to help anybody stay safer on the street and then it's the little things so the next time your

00:39:27.280 sister-in-law comes over for thanksgiving dinner for example and says oh well there's nowhere to cut 0.79

00:39:31.920 you can say i don't know maybe we shouldn't be spending twenty thousand dollars to study the

00:39:36.720 gender politics of peruvian rock music maybe we shouldn't be spending a hundred and five

00:39:42.640 thousand dollars to document the life and times of a grocery cart like those are real things you

00:39:50.400 people paid for it all you people in canada who are taxpayers you paid for that stuff um within their

00:39:57.200 own departments okay this is not government's funding podcasts which i'm sure they do in some

00:40:03.280 way shape or form anyway within their own departments their little bureaucratic hearts

00:40:09.120 they have their own podcasts that like nobody listens to that like statistics canada and like

00:40:16.720 other departments probably one of roads and bridges or something i've never heard of they talk about

00:40:22.080 yeah uh is outer space sexist what why why are you asking this so just trying to gently arm you with

00:40:31.760 some information that when we're going into budget season which we are in the middle of right now my

00:40:36.480 friends uh the moment somebody says oh well you're going to cut things to the bone um no there's plenty

00:40:43.760 of frivolous silly stuff that we're blowing money on all the time uh that we can definitely cut to balance

00:40:49.120 the budget uh guys thank you both so much for your contributions and i just want to encourage people

00:40:55.280 maybe take a page off the top of the show try to spend some time outside and away from our screens

00:41:01.440 uh this weekend and let's get back to balance thank you so much for watching and remember this has been

00:41:06.720 off the record hey guys thank you so much i hope that wasn't uh too momish of me all of my friendly

00:41:16.880 advice no thank you uh if anyone ever looks at the funding we've seen i mean there's an endless list

00:41:25.360 chris you gave two or three examples but the list is really endless of of insane incomprehensible spending

00:41:32.560 yes for government association uh absolutely i you could never reach the end that's how many

00:41:38.880 of these uh pet projects let's call them there are i mean it just it literally is an endless list

00:41:43.840 it's overwhelming like i i was trying to help go through some of them even at the federal level

00:41:49.120 and i will point out here in alberta they blow money on stupid stuff too all the time um and i'm 0.67

00:41:54.240 putting it in my budget report it's more than two million dollars a year that we're handing to

00:41:58.720 individuals for arts projects i'm not talking about cutting the budget for kids to go to choir

00:42:05.120 camp or whatever through school okay like i do have a heart okay um i just remembered one what's

00:42:12.000 that calgary you could call the lake like remember that one you guys yeah yeah and taxpayers spent money

00:42:17.440 on that um we spent fifteen thousand dollars to send a lady here from lethbridge to south korea so 1.00

00:42:22.560 she could flop around on a lawn chair for eight minutes and record herself i'm not even joking

00:42:28.880 uh we spent fifteen thousand dollars before that sending her over to i think it was the czech republic 0.92

00:42:34.720 um and she set up her video camera again same person um and she hid behind a big piece of paper

00:42:42.640 for like two minutes like if she wants to finance that herself or convince telus to give her money to

00:42:48.160 go do that like fill your boots like do it every day do not you dare try to take money from your

00:42:54.800 neighbor to go do it because that's what they're doing right now and that's in alberta that is full

00:42:59.200 on the provincial government's fault so that's going in my budget report i can't wait to read it chris

00:43:05.680 i'm looking forward to finishing it all right guys thank you so much for your contributions today

00:43:09.440 appreciate it thank you chris see you soon bye bye

Juno News - September 22, 2025

Kimmel faces cancel culture over Charlie Kirk falsehoods

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