Juno News - October 12, 2022


Lawton: No one should trust PayPal


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6 minutes

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173.73413

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1,154

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7


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PayPal announces a fine of $2,500 for "misinformation" and then backtracks and says it was an error. What does this mean for free speech in Canada and why should we trust PayPal? And what is the long-term impact?

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00:00:00.000 The big story I wanted to talk about today was PayPal. Now this is not a distinctly Canadian story
00:00:06.140 but it very much has a Canadian tie-in that I want to share with you here and if you missed it
00:00:12.960 what happened is a few days ago PayPal said it was going to impose a fine system where its users
00:00:19.640 so people that sign up to use PayPal which is this private payment transfer service it was going to
00:00:26.280 fine them $2,500 if they engaged in what PayPal determined was misinformation. Misinformation and
00:00:35.420 they said also other things there like hate speech and hate and all of that and if you read the actual
00:00:40.060 policy here it was an update to the user agreement that said any violation would result in liquidated
00:00:46.380 damages of $2,500 taken from your account and offending behaviors triggering this would be
00:00:52.520 anything that involves the sending posting or publication of any messages content or materials
00:00:58.580 that in PayPal's sole discretion promote misinformation. So if I post something
00:01:07.220 on my Twitter account PayPal could say we're taking $2,500 from your PayPal account and that's even by
00:01:18.000 the way saying that it is in fact misinformation which as we know is just absolutely fraught these
00:01:23.060 days and it's one of the most loaded politicized terms to say something is misinformation and this
00:01:28.280 is why it's so insidious and I'll talk about the Canadian political context here in a moment but
00:01:33.140 PayPal did this and instantly there's just this massive wave of people cancelling their PayPal accounts
00:01:39.100 closing their PayPal accounts. I have a dormant PayPal account which I suppose I should log on
00:01:44.420 and close myself. I don't have $2,500 in there for them to take away but now I'm wondering if I could
00:01:50.720 like start incurring PayPal debt if they just go around and say oh yeah this guy yeah he's been
00:01:56.600 misinforming so I'm gonna log in and find I have like you know minus $12,500 in my PayPal account.
00:02:03.760 So they've backtracked on this and they've said well okay yeah no this was misinformation we didn't mean
00:02:09.500 to it was accidental it was no nothing to see here so they've actually said that the policy itself
00:02:16.260 didn't exist they've said there was no policy it was an accident so they're not admitting
00:02:21.460 that they got caught and I could only assume the reason they're not admitting that is because
00:02:27.360 then they would have to find themselves $2,500 for for misinformation if that was I guess actually
00:02:34.100 no they'll have to find themselves anyway because no matter which way you slice it this is
00:02:38.160 misinformation on PayPal's part but it is an example of a company that's being shamed into
00:02:44.160 doing the right thing but I also think there's a tremendous point here where no one should
00:02:49.140 at this stage trust PayPal because PayPal has already said it does not value free speech
00:02:55.400 and one of the very founders of PayPal tweeted about this he said you know this is very difficult
00:03:01.960 to see for a company that he helped build go down this road and you know I understand that
00:03:06.880 wholeheartedly but I want to bring it into the Canadian political context here because one
00:03:12.920 thing that we saw earlier this year in the course of the truckers convoy was how going after people's
00:03:19.640 finances was seen as the silver bullet to going after people themselves it's called financial
00:03:25.120 deplatforming and whatever my libertarian bona fides tell me about a big tech censorship which is that
00:03:32.660 it's a terrible thing and something that we should resist in culture but I'm leery to find a government
00:03:38.480 regulation that solves this problem because you know you as an individual consumer make a decision to
00:03:43.920 have a Facebook account have a Twitter account and so on and we can debate and discuss this but
00:03:49.380 when we're talking about financial services and PayPal is a financial service it's one that you engage
00:03:56.020 with voluntarily but it's also voluntary in the sense that you may choose to have a TD account or choose to
00:04:01.920 have a CIBC account but you can't choose to have no banking in this day and age you can't choose to
00:04:06.860 have no bank account so financial services are one of those core core things that you cannot function
00:04:13.920 in this society without so when all of a sudden your financial service providers are telling you
00:04:19.840 you know what we are going to go after you politically and if you don't believe they will just take a look
00:04:25.460 at what happened last week to Toby Young now Toby Young is a free speech champion in the United Kingdom
00:04:31.000 he is the founder of the Daily Skeptic of the Free Speech Union and PayPal had suspended his account
00:04:38.360 for basically no legitimate reason and again they eventually backtracked on this but how can you ever return
00:04:45.960 from that if once you know that PayPal has you in its crosshairs and that the very lifeblood of your business
00:04:52.740 or perhaps even your personal finances could be in those crosshairs as well how could you ever go
00:04:58.180 back to normal and this is the problem I have when government gets into bed with big tech
00:05:05.100 and this is precisely what's happening in Canada with Bill C-11 it's what's happening with the
00:05:10.820 attempts by the liberal government to regulate misinformation and hate speech and to force
00:05:16.460 social media companies to basically be subservient to the whims of government on these things
00:05:22.900 remember government wants to just put this malign alliance in place between itself and tech platforms
00:05:29.340 so that if governments say something is hate speech the tech companies have to delete it
00:05:33.300 and it's not a big leap to get from there to misinformation where again if the government says something is
00:05:39.080 misinformation a social media company will have to take it off its platform and all of this is part and
00:05:47.420 parcel of a trend we're seeing which is just completely wholesale deplatforming completely trying to purge
00:05:56.960 people's digital existence and doing this in a way that makes it so that the government has the sole
00:06:03.900 authority on whether you get to have a voice or not and when you talk about these things it sounds
00:06:09.400 inherently conspiratorial it sounds like I'm talking about Justin Trudeau sitting in a room
00:06:14.240 saying well you know I'm gonna I don't like that Andrew guy I'm gonna press the button and then it's
00:06:18.260 like you know the old Austin Powers movies where just the floor opens up behind him and just I fall
00:06:22.580 through into the pit of water where the sharks are swirling around and stuff like that again I mean
00:06:28.140 that's not exactly the power we're talking about here but we are talking about a government that's
00:06:34.140 trying to make itself all-powerful when it comes to who can publish things online