Juno News - October 19, 2022


LAWTON: The right to protest no longer exists


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On today's show, we have a special guest on the show to talk about the events that took place in the streets of Ottawa on February 14th and 15th of 2019. Mayor Jim Watson, the mayor of the city of Ottawa, has been accused of using hearsay to describe the actions of anti-police protesters.

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00:00:00.000 This is fun. I haven't actually seen this clip because I was like just about to go on air
00:00:04.620 and this clip came down the pipeline so I get to react in real time which I never get to do
00:00:09.360 but as I understand it this is exactly what Adam was just talking about in Jim Watson the mayor of
00:00:15.300 Ottawa again resorting to hearsay talking about violence which no one has actually seen so let's
00:00:22.940 play this clip from just under an hour ago. Mayor Watson let me just ask you um you told
00:00:29.880 us earlier today um where evidence came out that um these these protesters they were they were nasty
00:00:37.500 um they were hateful and they were they were vulgar is that right? Yes. And you said that you saw um or
00:00:46.420 you said that they had um ripped masks off of people? Yes. Did you actually see that? No I saw it reported
00:00:55.140 in the media. Okay and I think you also said that certain people were attacked is that right? Uh I
00:01:03.520 didn't say that no I I said that I had death threats but I wasn't physically attacked. No I didn't say
00:01:10.740 that you were attacked but you said that these protesters were attacking people did you not say
00:01:14.760 that? No they were disrupting people's lives that's for sure and uh they refused on at least three
00:01:22.600 occasions that I'm aware of that they refused to adhere to the provincial mandate of wearing a mask
00:01:29.240 when going into a shop or a restaurant. So you're not aware of any incidents of physical violence from
00:01:35.240 the protesters? Well you'd have to ask the police I know they arrested a couple hundred people and
00:01:41.160 charged a couple hundred people. I don't know what the charges were so I'm not privy to that
00:01:45.540 information. According to your knowledge? You don't know of any? I'm sorry I don't know any? Of any
00:01:55.320 physical attacks? Uh not to my own personal knowledge no. All right thank you those are my questions.
00:02:02.080 Interesting so it's easy to talk a big game about all the violence on the streets of Ottawa about
00:02:07.440 these protesters going out and just ripping people's masks off and all of that but but no do you know
00:02:13.120 anything about it? Yeah no the media got it from the media. Okay well what about the physical attacks?
00:02:18.220 Do you know anything about that? Well you got to talk to police and I bet when we have the police
00:02:22.700 witnesses testifying and they're asked the same question they're gonna be like I don't know talk
00:02:25.900 to Jim Watson it's just like everyone's just pointing at every other direction for this. Same as like
00:02:31.120 trying to figure out who invoked the emergencies act is like going on a fishing expedition because no one
00:02:36.620 actually asked for it. No one asked for the emergencies act it came from the government of
00:02:43.620 Canada and this is something that we saw months ago whenever police agencies were testifying before
00:02:50.480 parliament before that parliamentary committee that was investigating we'd find out that the
00:02:55.600 police which Marco Manichino and Justin Trudeau said asked for the emergencies act couldn't actually
00:03:01.100 find a single police officer that wanted it. The RCMP commissioner says no it wasn't us. The OPP
00:03:06.240 commissioner says no it wasn't us. The Ottawa police chiefs all three of them say no it wasn't us and
00:03:11.320 Jim Watson I don't know if we have the the clip of Jim Watson I think we do. Jim Watson this is from
00:03:16.500 this morning saying that he also did not request the invocation of the emergencies act. Now on February
00:03:24.320 14th we know that the emergencies act was invoked. Were you consulted on on the invocation of the
00:03:30.520 emergencies act before it was invoked? No it wasn't. Did the city request that it be invoked? No. Did the
00:03:38.340 city weigh in on whether it was required necessary or needed? Well when it was released I think like
00:03:44.500 most people uh very few people knew exactly what the emergencies act was to be perfectly honest. I
00:03:50.280 remember growing up in Quebec what the war measures act was and the implications that had for
00:03:54.680 uh the province of Quebec and the rest of the country but um no one had raised uh the emergencies act
00:04:02.420 with us uh but when it was um invoked uh and uh I was briefed on what its powers were I thought this is
00:04:12.260 a very positive step to getting this situation resolved once and for all because of the provisions
00:04:19.040 in the act so I very much uh supported it and I was um as you may recall uh the the current chair of
00:04:28.240 the police service board Eli Al Shantir and I sent a letter to the prime minister thanking him for
00:04:32.120 invoking the act because it actually acted as the catalyst for us to move forward and get that uh
00:04:38.180 whole situation uh in the downtown core resolved once and for all and give people their street and
00:04:43.700 their homes back. So what Jim Watson said there is that yeah when he learned about it when he found out
00:04:48.520 the government was already doing and he was supportive of it but he he was like no one's
00:04:52.280 even heard of this thing before how do we ask for this thing no one had ever heard of which I found
00:04:55.900 quite interesting so Ottawa didn't ask for it yesterday Ontario Premier Doug Ford reminded us all
00:05:02.500 which I I don't think he should be bragging about that uh he supported the use of it but didn't request
00:05:08.140 it in fact one of the big sources of or one of the big products of testimony this week is that the
00:05:14.160 Ontario government was just so disengaged from this process there was this record of a phone call
00:05:20.060 between Justin Trudeau and Jim Watson during the convoy where they're like they're all just like
00:05:24.640 trashing Doug Ford for like not wanting to get involved for political reasons so it's actually
00:05:30.020 quite sad because Doug Ford does this whole buddy buddy routine talking about how great Justin Trudeau and
00:05:35.220 Christia Freeland are and behind his back they're talking about how terrible he is and they don't like
00:05:39.820 him and don't respect what he's doing and he's not their ally on this issue even though publicly
00:05:44.460 uh Ford is saying he supports this thing but we haven't yet found anyone who wanted this thing and
00:05:52.120 asked for it who asked the government to do it so we're left with this idea that the government was
00:05:59.040 the one that wanted it on its own the government wanted to do it and we've been hearing all sorts of
00:06:04.880 testimony for the last two days yesterday was particularly insightful because we heard from
00:06:10.020 Steve Kanellakis who's the Ottawa city manager and also Serge Arpin who's the chief of staff to Jim
00:06:16.760 Watson and they were talking about their negotiations with the convoy leaders with the convoy organizers
00:06:23.900 negotiations that by the way resulted in a successful agreement to relocate trucks onto Wellington Street
00:06:32.400 away from residential neighborhoods an agreement we talked about on the show back in February when
00:06:38.020 it came out and they all said yeah and what we heard this morning and what we heard yesterday most
00:06:43.800 notably was that it wasn't the convoy protesters that pulled the plug on that agreement what it was
00:06:49.700 was the parliamentary protective service that didn't like it and then the Ottawa police which
00:06:54.400 moved to an enforcement posture once the emergencies act came into play so they were the ones that pulled
00:07:01.180 the plug on this deal not the members of the convoy and these things are so critical because right now
00:07:09.060 I have seen no evidence no evidence of an actual emergency no evidence of a bona fide emergency
00:07:16.420 certainly not one that would justify these unprecedented powers by the federal government
00:07:21.540 and we've just been hearing about the effect on the ground in Ottawa we haven't even been hearing
00:07:26.440 testimony yet on the bank account freezes we heard a little bit from the government in Ottawa about how they
00:07:32.440 really were having trouble getting tow truck drivers because tow truck drivers were not wanting to tow trucks
00:07:39.700 because they were sympathetic to the convoy and I did an interview that you'll see tonight with Ezra Levant
00:07:46.260 at Rebel News and Ezra pointed out that the ability to just commandeer a tow truck which the federal government
00:07:52.120 claimed it needed the emergencies act for actually exists in the criminal code as it is so it wasn't
00:07:58.820 even like needing to just conscript tow truck drivers against their will to get involved was something that
00:08:05.040 needed the emergencies act it was the bank account freezes and that's the part we haven't actually
00:08:09.920 gotten to yet and the government can try to muddle this as much as they want the government can try to
00:08:15.420 make this an inquiry into the convoy they can try to string up Tamara Leach they can try to make this 0.53
00:08:20.800 all about the protesters that were fed up with vaccine mandates but they cannot hide from their
00:08:25.760 own role in this and what they did is decide that the right to protest no longer exists the right to
00:08:33.660 peacefully assemble no longer exists that the government's refusal to engage with people
00:08:39.760 is supposedly the way you respond to a problem and then you go to the last resort despite not even
00:08:46.700 having given the courtesy of a conversation along the way and I don't know if there's going to be a
00:08:52.660 smoking gun of some kind that shows some wrongdoing by government that summary I talked to earlier I
00:08:59.340 talked about earlier of the phone call between Justin Trudeau and Jim Watson it was like a page and a
00:09:04.280 half and there were several lines redacted including some like mid-sentence where they just start
00:09:09.300 redacting something and you look at that and you say what is it that they're hiding and maybe it's nothing
00:09:14.860 maybe Jim Watson said something about his kids in there that is not supposedly for public consumption
00:09:20.060 but already you're starting to see areas where the government is just concealing little bits and pieces
00:09:26.080 the government doesn't want there to actually be the accountability that we know is required
00:09:30.640 now I'll tell people as much as I don't think the government has a leg to stand on
00:09:34.920 on this invocation of the emergencies act I also would be remiss to not point out that this is just
00:09:40.640 one of a number of battles that is right now underway constitutional challenges criminal cases
00:09:46.980 numerous numerous constitutional challenges by the way and not just by people who were charged but by
00:09:53.540 civil liberties groups like the Canadian Civil Liberties Association the Canadian Constitution
00:09:58.620 Foundation the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms the government of Alberta is engaged in that
00:10:05.340 battle as well Jason Kenney joined and now Danielle Smith the premier has decided to continue that so
00:10:11.340 these are all very important distinctions and discussions here this is just one particular battle
00:10:16.920 but I maintain it's the simplest one and has the clearest question was this a national emergency
00:10:24.600 was this a national emergency was this something that had espionage and sabotage or did it just have
00:10:32.220 phantom honking and microaggressions which sound comical it does and and I mean laugh at it it's
00:10:38.540 going to be a long seven weeks you got to have some fun with it but the fact that that was being
00:10:43.800 entertained is an example to me of the attempt by a lot of the people that apply to appear as witnesses
00:10:49.560 to really muddy the waters here and try to inject a bunch of extraneous detail that may help paint a
00:10:56.200 picture but doesn't really help the commissioner reach that fundamental finding of whether the
00:11:02.900 government's use of the emergencies act was appropriate or whether it was inappropriate