Juno News - LAWTON： This is absolutely 'shameful'

00:00:00.000 the question i asked at the beginning is what on earth is doug ford afraid of because we've had i

00:00:05.200 mean there are low-level bureaucrats that are testifying we've had city councillors we've had

00:00:09.280 ottawa business representatives we've had a public servant that didn't like the sounds of horns

00:00:14.800 honking that was testifying why is ontario premier doug ford who has been to my knowledge the only

00:00:22.160 premier to be enthusiastically in favor of the emergencies act why is he willing to go to court

00:00:28.160 to protect himself from having to appear to defend a piece of legislation that he supports

00:00:37.200 that is going to be the key question here now this as i mentioned it has become a bit of a subplot

00:00:43.500 taking place outside of the commission but doug ford initially last week said oh no they haven't

00:00:49.400 asked me that's why i'm there leaving the implication that he would go if they were to ask him so the

00:00:54.280 commission and i don't know what date said okay well let's ask him they asked him they asked him

00:00:59.800 and he has not appeared in that time and i want to pull up the exact wording that the commission used

00:01:09.160 in its letter here because i think it's actually quite important and i've like i just like had it

00:01:13.500 like five tabs ago so i'll pull that up in a second but what the commission said in its letter was that

00:01:18.460 we've asked you and now we're issuing a summons and that i think was so key so they said we asked

00:01:25.320 you and you said no so this means that doug ford was saying something that was patently untrue or

00:01:31.200 maybe this all was just a little misunderstanding that took place in the days since but one thing is

00:01:36.360 for sure he doesn't want to go and i don't know why that is if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't

00:01:40.640 be afraid to go under oath and defend this thing and as an ontario voter and by the way an ontario

00:01:47.400 citizen who stood as a candidate for doug ford's progressive conservatives in 2018 it is absolutely

00:01:55.220 shameful shameful that this man who calls himself a premier for the people is standing up and standing

00:02:02.340 by his own words shoulder to shoulder with justin trudeau on this heavy-handed crackdown

00:02:09.460 that suspended civil liberties all done to protect the narrative around a mandate that in and of

00:02:18.100 itself suspended people's rights and doug ford decides that this is how he wants to score his

00:02:24.140 brownie points with justin trudeau by standing shoulder to shoulder it is absolutely shameful and

00:02:29.920 it's despicable that he is now too afraid to take a stand before the public order emergency commission

00:02:35.080 under oath and defend why it is exactly that ontario supported that when ontario didn't need it

00:02:41.000 to deal with the windsor blockade which was widely regarded as being far more disruptive

00:02:46.400 than anything happening in ottawa i want to just before we close things out here talk about a few more of

00:02:52.960 the updates that have come out of the commission today obviously there have been a number a number of

00:03:00.120 revelations from interim police chief steve bell who we just learned the other day is not going to be

00:03:05.740 the permanent police chief so ottawa has hired someone else but i want to play one clip here

00:03:11.600 where steve bell says that he had no knowledge of how police how his police officers were dealing with

00:03:20.380 the arrests of protesters and because ottawa police and the opp all of the stakeholders involved they were

00:03:26.560 doing this catch and release type thing just to get people out of the core but listen to steve bell say

00:03:32.720 well you know all of a sudden we had a plan we knew what was going on but on this oh i had no idea what

00:03:37.160 was happening

00:03:37.640 so you're going to hear evidence eventually um from some of the protesters when they eventually testify

00:03:46.560 that some of the ones that were arrested upon their release they were essentially kidnapped by ops

00:03:52.140 officers driven out of town in the middle of february winter by ops officers and left in various rural

00:03:58.660 areas and parking lots outside of town with no shelter or resources are you aware of that

00:04:03.500 no because i don't know the specifics of what they're what they're speaking about what i do know is that we

00:04:10.640 as part of our planning uh and inspector lucas tomorrow will be able to provide more details but

00:04:16.420 we did have remote post arrest processing sites not in rural ottawa in the south end of ottawa in a

00:04:24.580 um residential mixed commercial area where they were protest and then uh released to be able to find

00:04:32.980 um transportation to wherever they needed to go which is a common uh which is common with the police

00:04:39.000 right so one of the areas there was several as i understand one of them was a municipal parking lot

00:04:44.640 where the trucks were being towed to that's correct that's in the south end right and that

00:04:49.460 parking lot doesn't have a building you drop them off at it doesn't have a phone

00:04:54.360 it doesn't have any of that does it so i i don't know what the logistics at the building were

00:05:01.000 um i would imagine it would have needed to have a phone because you have to be able to call your

00:05:06.060 lawyer so i can tell you it didn't so and these people driven out there they were already told they

00:05:11.240 weren't charged and they weren't being charged they were being released but they were driven

00:05:16.840 and forced outside of ottawa or in the outer skirts and dropped off in the snow now are you aware this

00:05:25.120 happened yes or no no i'm not aware and it wasn't outside of ottawa still within the geographical

00:05:29.960 boundaries of the city of ottawa oh well what's in the geographical boundaries of the city so that

00:05:37.100 that's fake news yeah well you know like yeah three inches within the city limits we dump you in 0.78

00:05:41.560 a patch of snow and take your phone and all of that and well bob's your uncle everything's supposed

00:05:46.180 to be fine uh that letter that i referenced a moment ago i want to read a bit of here because it's from

00:05:52.020 the co-lead counsel shantona chowdhury for the public order emergency commission she writes the

00:05:58.040 information gathered by commission council in the course of the investigation made clear

00:06:02.620 that premier ford and minister jones would have evidence particularly within their knowledge that

00:06:08.200 would be relevant to the commission's mandate on september 19th 2022 commission council requested

00:06:16.360 an interview with them this request was refused commission council renewed this request multiple

00:06:23.100 times all requests were refused commission council then requested that premier ford and minister jones

00:06:29.660 agree to testify before the commission voluntarily as of last week the invitation to attend to testify

00:06:36.460 before the commission has been declined for the moment it is our hope that it was our hope that

00:06:43.680 premier ford and minister jones would agree to appear before the commission voluntarily however given

00:06:48.240 that the repeated invitations were all declined the commission has issued summons this day to premier

00:06:53.040 ford and minister jones pursuant to section four of the inquiries act the commission thanks you for

00:06:58.420 your request and your continued participation in this inquiry so when doug ford said last week that no one

00:07:04.940 had asked him that was fundamentally untrue the commission says on september 19th they first asked

00:07:11.440 him and have repeated and renewed that request multiple times so i go back to what is it that doug ford

00:07:18.740 is so afraid of in appearing before this commission and i'm so challenged by how people are looking at

00:07:28.340 this and coming out with the conclusion that the emergencies act was justified police incompetence

00:07:33.300 government incompetence bureaucratic incompetence and jockeying for position between levels of government

00:07:38.740 does not constitute in the least a national emergency and a lot of the narratives even that were put up to

00:07:45.300 support this idea of violence have shattered for example there was a rumor and i think it was reported in

00:07:51.380 media early on of some threat against rito hall well interim chief steve bell said that didn't actually

00:07:57.940 happen somebody sent um information to the former chief directly uh somebody wrote i lay awake tonight as

00:08:07.220 i read twitter post from the extreme right vowing attacks on rito hall this weekend some are calling for

00:08:14.580 action akin to the happenings in washington on capitol hill i understand the right to peaceful protest but i'm

00:08:20.500 writing as a very concerned citizen as we're not hearing any reassurances from the city of policing

00:08:27.060 regarding the safety of residents surrounding these vulnerable and targeted spots there was

00:08:32.260 national security representatives including ccis and the rcmp in our joint intelligence group so

00:08:39.140 again this was information that was taken in assessed evaluated uh as

00:08:45.060 put towards our threat assessment and ultimately this didn't bore bear to be to be accurate there was

00:08:53.700 no threats made against rito hall weird so that might have just been some of that misinformation we

00:08:59.780 need to get to the bottom of no threats against rito hall just like there was no attempted arson by

00:09:05.380 anyone connected to the convoy just like police exonerated convoy participants from the issue that

00:09:10.980 happened at the cenotaph early on with a woman dancing and so on but it's that old line about

00:09:15.940 how a lie makes its way around the world i don't know what the original quote was however many times

00:09:20.260 well the truth is still putting its pants on i am not going to subject you to eight hours of steve bell

00:09:26.500 because if you wanted eight hours of steve bell you could have watched today's hearings before the

00:09:30.580 public order emergency commission but what i am going to talk about right now is the importance of

00:09:36.980 language now police officers and i have some in my family are normally very precise about language

00:09:42.660 because in law words mean things and words are defined in very particular ways so steve bell was

00:09:50.420 talking about violence the violence that people in the convoy world that were uh living in ottawa

00:09:57.460 not part of the convoy violence they were being subjected to and again we've heard reports from

00:10:02.580 opp intelligence that violence wasn't actually taking place we didn't see from ottawa police

00:10:07.460 charges of violence by and large so what is what where is this violence coming from if you're going

00:10:12.580 to make a drive-by comment like that what is it you actually mean well turns out steve bell has

00:10:18.340 redefined what violence means so is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence you're not

00:10:24.420 actually describing any form of physical assaults are you i'm i'm well physical assaults do contribute to

00:10:31.300 what i'm describing i was specifically describing the violence that our community felt as a result

00:10:37.460 of the culmination of actions that the occupiers engaged in so the violence that they felt not

00:10:43.860 actual violence is that what you're saying that is correct not not the criminal code definition of

00:10:49.220 violence but the violence that they felt by having an incessant horns blared right and not having trucks

00:10:55.140 run 24 7 a day right by having people intimidate them and follow them and by having people rip masks

00:11:02.260 off their head by feeling sheltered in their homes well i i thank you i understand what you mean but

00:11:08.500 you're not talking about violence under section two of the cesus act are you no i'm not thanks

00:11:15.060 the the violence so he's talking about microaggressions now the violence you feel it's like you know the

00:11:21.060 violence grows from the heart outward to merge that with justin trudeau the violence you feel so it's

00:11:27.540 you could go to police and i would imagine if you were to call up a 911 in ottawa and say you know i

00:11:34.180 feel murdered they'd be like well hang on a minute if you you're making the call i don't think you were

00:11:39.300 murdered no no i feel murdered i i feel like someone has killed me okay i feel like my car was broken

00:11:47.460 into was your car broken into no no but i feel like i feel just like collectively the world around

00:11:52.660 me has made it feel like that and then he says no no i don't mean violence in the criminal code sense

00:11:59.140 he certainly didn't mean violence in the section two of the ceases accents he means the collective

00:12:04.900 feeling of violence so uh take from that what you will but we are just redefining words left right

00:12:11.940 and center i will say good news he didn't get anyone to have to translate that he was able to explain

00:12:18.900 what his definition of violence was in england so take that counselor matthew flurry

Juno News - October 25, 2022

LAWTON： This is absolutely 'shameful'

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