Juno News - Leadership Matters

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

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00:00:21.240 Hello and welcome to another edition of the Andrew Lawton Show,

00:00:25.260 Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.

00:00:28.300 Thank you very much for tuning into the program.

00:00:31.740 We were off last week after the Independent Press Gallery leadership debate

00:00:36.380 or the fireside chats as it ended up being a couple of weeks ago.

00:00:39.880 I figured I'd earned a couple of days off.

00:00:41.840 So last week I took a bit of downtime, got some stuff done,

00:00:45.060 but we are ready to reclaim the world of political commentary and, yes, irreverence with gusto.

00:00:51.820 And this is actually a good time to be coming back

00:00:54.800 because the conservative leadership race, if you're following it,

00:00:58.300 is really coming to a close in just a couple of weeks.

00:01:01.680 People have actually less than two weeks to send in their ballots

00:01:04.280 to vote for the next leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:01:08.500 And I had tried to do a debate with the four candidates.

00:01:13.220 And of course, as you know, if you were paying attention to True North

00:01:16.680 last week or two weeks ago, I guess it was,

00:01:19.500 things did not quite go as planned.

00:01:22.000 And we've talked about this in other fora,

00:01:24.360 so I'm not going to spend too much time on it,

00:01:26.200 except to say that it was really disappointing when one particular candidate

00:01:31.120 who has a history of shirking independent media decided in the 11th hour,

00:01:36.220 not because of illness, as Leslyn Lewis did, unfortunately,

00:01:40.260 and she wanted to be there,

00:01:41.440 but just because he didn't want to be to just bail on the interview.

00:01:45.700 And that was Peter McKay.

00:01:46.760 And it was quite unfortunate.

00:01:48.180 We put a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of energy into this debate.

00:01:52.580 And not only that, but it was also done at a time

00:01:56.180 when there wasn't really any wiggle room,

00:01:58.100 because this was the very home stretch of the race,

00:02:00.800 just a few weeks at the time until ballots had to go in.

00:02:04.080 So we were very disappointed by that.

00:02:06.400 But the one thing that was really encouraging

00:02:08.180 is how much support there was to what we were doing from the other campaigns,

00:02:13.460 not from Peter McKay's campaign.

00:02:14.760 They were, as we said, like jerking us around

00:02:16.980 by putting out a statement that said they were wanting a postponement

00:02:20.380 when in actuality they were just cancelling.

00:02:22.820 But Leslyn Lewis's campaign was very apologetic.

00:02:25.560 And Steve Outhouse, who's Leslyn Lewis's campaign manager,

00:02:29.240 was at the debate.

00:02:30.360 He actually came down from Ottawa, even with Leslyn Lewis being sick.

00:02:34.400 And he was doing interviews there and explaining,

00:02:37.040 no, we didn't ask for McKay to bail.

00:02:38.660 We didn't want any of this.

00:02:41.040 So that was very nice.

00:02:42.160 And they were actually saying, listen, we really support independent media.

00:02:46.820 Aaron O'Toole and Derek Sloan, both of their campaigns, very similar.

00:02:50.680 They said, listen, we'll do whatever you want.

00:02:53.140 So when we came up with the new format of doing the one-on-one interviews,

00:02:56.840 it was something that I was really pleased with.

00:02:59.460 And I know a lot of people tuning in were as well.

00:03:02.660 And I'm going to play a couple of clips from those interviews later on in the show,

00:03:07.740 because I do want to talk a bit more about the leadership race,

00:03:10.900 which I haven't really been covering as closely for two main reasons.

00:03:15.400 The first is that there hasn't been as much happening in the leadership race

00:03:18.600 compared to how these things normally are.

00:03:21.040 And the second is that because we were working on the debate,

00:03:23.720 I was trying to avoid putting any real commentary into the mix

00:03:27.520 about the candidates of the campaigns until after the debate was done,

00:03:31.980 because I didn't want anyone to be able to accuse me of having any sort of bias.

00:03:36.060 So that's where we are now.

00:03:37.660 And to be perfectly frank, I don't think that I would have too much to say

00:03:42.420 that I think people would, you know, make me think,

00:03:45.060 or that would make people think that I was favoring one over the other,

00:03:47.620 with, you know, maybe one exception for who has been a little bit frustrating

00:03:51.640 throughout the course of the race in not wanting to do any interviews,

00:03:55.340 not attending the debate, etc.

00:03:57.820 But for the most part, Sheila Gunn-Reed of Rebel had actually said something

00:04:02.200 that I thought was very high praise, which was that in my interviews,

00:04:05.700 you wouldn't, at the end of it, figure out if I favored anyone

00:04:09.660 and if I did, who it was, which was exactly what I was going for.

00:04:13.120 Because my goal as a small C conservative Canadian

00:04:16.400 and as a broadcaster along that vein

00:04:18.640 is to try to bring out the best and the most conservative side of people

00:04:24.620 and talk about the issues that conservatives care about,

00:04:27.860 the issues that I, as a conservative, would like to hear

00:04:30.600 from someone who is wanting to lead the capital C conservative party

00:04:35.020 or someone who is wanting to be the country's prime minister.

00:04:38.780 So all of that is to say that we were trying to put an event forward

00:04:43.340 and the debate was supposed to be this,

00:04:45.960 that would focus on not the relentless,

00:04:48.940 like, 20 questions about systemic racism

00:04:51.180 or 20 questions about abortion,

00:04:52.940 but a broad array of questions that conservatives care about

00:04:56.720 that, by and large, the mainstream media hasn't been asking about.

00:05:00.420 Because the mainstream media, to be fair,

00:05:02.940 is never really that good at covering internal battles.

00:05:06.700 It's not in their MO.

00:05:08.020 They don't understand the dynamics.

00:05:09.980 They don't understand how campaigning works.

00:05:12.340 And this is a big problem,

00:05:13.420 is that the type of people that are writing about

00:05:15.120 what sort of a campaign is being run

00:05:17.340 don't actually know how you win a campaign.

00:05:20.140 Like, I remember when I ran for office in Ontario in 2018,

00:05:24.140 at one point my campaign had done what's called a tele-town hall,

00:05:28.600 which is where you, you know,

00:05:29.880 blast a whole bunch of people with a phone message

00:05:31.940 and say, you know, at this time I'm going to call you back

00:05:34.420 and Andrew's going to be taking questions

00:05:36.340 from people in a telephone town hall.

00:05:38.400 And they're actually really, really fun

00:05:39.980 because for me it was just like hosting a radio show

00:05:42.420 except, you know, you're on the phone.

00:05:44.000 And we had thousands and thousands of people out to this

00:05:46.500 and because we want people to be by their phones

00:05:48.720 if they're interested,

00:05:49.840 you give them a heads up earlier in the day

00:05:51.620 and say, hey, tonight this call is coming.

00:05:54.900 And we had, CBC had discovered that this was happening

00:05:58.420 and they sent like this laundry list of questions

00:06:00.360 to my campaign manager say,

00:06:02.760 you know, what do you hope to achieve?

00:06:04.100 Why are you doing this?

00:06:05.320 And it was just like a very skeptical thing.

00:06:07.860 And I'm like, because we're trying to talk to voters.

00:06:10.080 That's how, that's what we're trying to do.

00:06:12.160 It's, you know, no different than knocking on doors

00:06:14.220 except we're just doing it in a different way.

00:06:17.220 So the media doesn't really get it,

00:06:19.680 but especially on the ideological side,

00:06:22.240 the media doesn't get what it is

00:06:23.960 the conservatives care about.

00:06:26.300 Which is why when CBC did that interview with Aaron O'Toole

00:06:29.460 and asked him about,

00:06:30.900 hey, what do you think about CBC funding?

00:06:32.740 And Aaron O'Toole went like completely guns blazing on them

00:06:35.700 talking about all the reasons that he's going to defund

00:06:37.760 CBC's English programs

00:06:39.520 and CBC's digital platforms and all of that.

00:06:43.280 And CBC cuts it.

00:06:44.920 CBC cut the question out

00:06:46.500 because again, they don't realize

00:06:48.580 that this is an issue that people actually care about

00:06:51.160 and it threatens their existence.

00:06:54.200 But you know what, for a lot of Canadians,

00:06:56.100 it's something they're on side with.

00:06:58.340 So this has been the huge dynamic that we're seeing

00:07:01.540 where the media is interested in issues

00:07:03.960 that the average Canadian isn't.

00:07:05.920 And the extension of that

00:07:08.020 is that you get some candidates like Peter McKay

00:07:10.300 that want to win over the mainstream media

00:07:12.320 even though they're not the ones

00:07:13.840 who are voting in the leadership race.

00:07:15.740 They're not the target audience.

00:07:17.680 In a general election,

00:07:18.820 you can say that yes,

00:07:19.800 the mainstream media plays more of a role.

00:07:22.160 But in a leadership,

00:07:23.260 the people you want to be talking to

00:07:24.740 are the people most prone to speaking to members.

00:07:28.480 The people who have an audience

00:07:29.460 that's most likely to be filled

00:07:30.920 with the type of people

00:07:32.520 who are voting in the leadership race.

00:07:34.760 Which at this point, very simple.

00:07:36.620 People who have paid their,

00:07:37.660 I think it's $15 to the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:07:41.340 So all of that is, I think,

00:07:43.460 a roundabout way of saying that right now,

00:07:46.560 people are finally making these decisions.

00:07:49.300 A lot of people sent their ballots in right away,

00:07:51.340 but a lot of people are only now making their decisions

00:07:54.080 because they've been waiting

00:07:55.040 just to hear what everyone has to say.

00:07:57.200 And one of the interesting things in this race

00:08:00.040 is Leslyn Lewis's rise

00:08:02.140 from being a former losing candidate in Scarborough

00:08:06.900 to being someone who I think will play kingmaker.

00:08:10.620 I'm going to say right now,

00:08:11.740 I don't think she's going to win,

00:08:13.720 but I think she will certainly transform the race. 0.98

00:08:17.060 And the one thing we know about the Conservative Party

00:08:19.280 is that social conservatives

00:08:20.680 occupy a large enough chunk,

00:08:23.260 a large enough block,

00:08:24.540 that they are the kingmakers.

00:08:26.380 They can be the kingmakers time and time again, 0.99

00:08:29.140 which is why to call them a stinking albatross 0.98

00:08:32.220 a la Peter McKay, 0.91

00:08:33.340 or to say they don't matter,

00:08:34.840 to scorn them,

00:08:35.820 is not going to get you anywhere in a race,

00:08:39.080 generally speaking.

00:08:40.980 So Leslyn Lewis came out, 0.80

00:08:43.020 and again, completely an unknown.

00:08:45.100 No one knew who she was when she stepped forward.

00:08:47.560 And I think that for her to have taken that

00:08:51.160 and become a major player in this

00:08:53.180 is something that's commendable.

00:08:54.300 And I did a sit-down interview with her

00:08:56.160 back in March

00:08:57.500 during my Conservative Leadership series.

00:09:00.100 And we talked about all manner of things.

00:09:01.960 And I'm not going to lie to you,

00:09:03.160 at the end of it,

00:09:04.100 I was kind of like,

00:09:05.440 what's the big fuss?

00:09:06.360 I don't really get the big deal.

00:09:07.860 And it's not to say that there was anything wrong

00:09:09.560 with her answers.

00:09:10.840 It's just that I didn't get this.

00:09:13.860 I felt like I was the emperor wearing no clothes kid,

00:09:17.540 where everyone else is talking about

00:09:19.180 how wonderful she is.

00:09:20.040 And I'm like,

00:09:20.520 okay,

00:09:21.720 I want you to put in your time first.

00:09:23.640 And that's the thing.

00:09:24.820 And to be honest,

00:09:25.440 you could make the same criticism

00:09:26.680 to Derek Sloan,

00:09:28.200 and certainly you could make it

00:09:29.320 about Rudy Husney,

00:09:30.780 who was seeking the leadership as well,

00:09:33.160 and Rick Peterson,

00:09:34.360 which is to say,

00:09:35.080 if you're going to run,

00:09:36.700 I want you to have had some time

00:09:39.380 doing something in politics.

00:09:41.680 And the in politics part,

00:09:43.480 I think is the part that a lot of people

00:09:45.640 are haggling over.

00:09:47.460 Because in the case of Leslie Lewis,

00:09:49.400 she has done a lot.

00:09:50.420 I mean,

00:09:50.540 she's very well educated.

00:09:51.780 She's had a law practice.

00:09:52.960 She's done a lot.

00:09:54.140 But as far as working within the political system,

00:09:57.360 she hasn't.

00:09:58.140 And for a lot of people,

00:09:59.460 that's a selling point.

00:10:00.600 I mean,

00:10:00.860 what's the comparison everyone makes now

00:10:02.680 in everyone?

00:10:03.520 Donald Trump.

00:10:04.500 Because Donald Trump was the guy

00:10:05.840 that completely eschewed the standard

00:10:08.040 rising up through the ranks of politics

00:10:09.980 and just rose up through the corporate world

00:10:11.700 and then jumped into politics.

00:10:14.440 But you want someone

00:10:15.460 that has shown a commitment

00:10:16.560 to building the movement.

00:10:18.580 And building the conservative movement

00:10:20.240 is a big thing

00:10:22.000 if you are a conservative voter.

00:10:24.520 And that's where my issue

00:10:26.860 with Leslie Lewis has been,

00:10:28.380 is that I haven't seen from her,

00:10:30.440 beyond this leadership race,

00:10:32.600 a longstanding connection

00:10:34.080 to the conservative movement.

00:10:36.660 And that's something

00:10:37.640 I want to see from someone.

00:10:39.280 That's something I want to see.

00:10:40.200 It's not just about saying the right things.

00:10:42.120 It's about actually having been involved

00:10:43.780 and really started shaping some of these.

00:10:46.100 Because there are a lot of issues

00:10:47.420 that I've seen Leslie Lewis speak of,

00:10:50.220 whether it's been in a debate

00:10:51.460 or in my interview with her.

00:10:53.000 And the response that she gives

00:10:55.840 is one that I'm like,

00:10:56.860 I'm not sure you've contemplated this before.

00:11:00.240 And it's not to say

00:11:01.480 that there's anything wrong with that.

00:11:02.840 It's that when you are running in a leadership

00:11:04.800 and you're running to be prime minister,

00:11:06.140 you have to be able to answer

00:11:08.300 on anything and everything.

00:11:10.800 And so that's Leslie Lewis.

00:11:12.400 And I'm going to shift to Derek Sloan now

00:11:14.360 because Derek Sloan is another one

00:11:16.540 where when he ran

00:11:17.700 or initially announced he was running,

00:11:19.680 my first response was,

00:11:21.200 okay, like, who are you?

00:11:23.440 You're a first-term member of parliament.

00:11:25.480 Remember, the leadership race

00:11:26.560 was just a few months after the election.

00:11:28.460 He had just been elected.

00:11:30.240 I'm like, why?

00:11:31.340 Why is he running?

00:11:32.160 And again, I was very impressed

00:11:33.360 with a lot of the stuff he said,

00:11:34.680 as with Leslie Lewis,

00:11:35.880 because he was checking off

00:11:37.160 a lot of these small C conservative boxes.

00:11:40.260 But I'm like, have you put in your time?

00:11:42.240 And, you know, it's one thing

00:11:43.160 to have been elected

00:11:43.820 as a member of parliament once,

00:11:45.480 but beyond that,

00:11:46.700 what is it that you've done?

00:11:48.820 And in the case of Derek Sloan,

00:11:50.240 he has been involved

00:11:51.620 in some of these cultural battles.

00:11:53.080 He worked with a group

00:11:53.840 and was an intervener

00:11:55.060 in the Trinity Western case.

00:11:56.540 So he certainly has fought

00:11:58.260 on some of these

00:11:59.200 cultural conservative issues.

00:12:00.860 And these conservative leadership battles,

00:12:02.960 which was, I think,

00:12:03.860 a point in the right direction.

00:12:05.600 But then the exchange

00:12:07.020 with Derek Sloan

00:12:08.540 that I thought was important

00:12:09.780 was when we were doing

00:12:10.740 our fireside chat

00:12:11.720 a couple of weeks ago,

00:12:12.740 when you have so many

00:12:14.300 in the party against you,

00:12:16.300 when you have so many people

00:12:17.240 in the party that are saying,

00:12:18.780 including in the conservative caucus,

00:12:20.440 you know what?

00:12:21.040 We are not a fan of you.

00:12:23.100 We don't even want you

00:12:23.800 in the caucus,

00:12:24.520 let alone leading the party.

00:12:25.820 How are you going to navigate that?

00:12:27.680 And this was, I thought,

00:12:28.760 an important question.

00:12:29.620 And a lot of people

00:12:30.860 actually criticized me

00:12:32.040 for pushing him on this

00:12:33.240 because they thought

00:12:33.940 I was trying to,

00:12:35.220 I don't know,

00:12:35.540 like railroad him

00:12:36.300 or something like that.

00:12:37.320 And I said, no,

00:12:38.020 it's a sensible,

00:12:39.560 serious, and important question.

00:12:41.220 If you have made enemies

00:12:42.780 just by virtue of being you

00:12:44.360 and talking about the issues

00:12:45.760 you're talking about

00:12:46.700 with the people

00:12:47.700 who form the conservative party,

00:12:49.560 how are you going to broach that

00:12:51.200 if you're elected?

00:12:52.280 And this was what Derek said.

00:12:53.720 You had MPs in your own caucus

00:12:56.440 that after you had called

00:12:58.020 for Theresa Tam to be fired

00:12:59.480 wanted you kicked out of caucus

00:13:01.520 in the middle of a leadership race.

00:13:02.940 And you can talk about

00:13:03.860 people's motivations for that,

00:13:05.940 whether they may have had

00:13:06.740 an allegiance

00:13:07.160 to another leadership campaign.

00:13:08.640 But still,

00:13:09.080 there have been people

00:13:09.720 that have spoken up

00:13:10.900 that have said

00:13:11.400 they do not see themselves

00:13:13.480 being able to serve

00:13:14.460 under a Derek Sloan-led caucus.

00:13:16.400 And you can say they're wrong.

00:13:18.160 You can say that

00:13:19.180 they're perhaps

00:13:20.100 having a narrow view of it.

00:13:21.520 But even so,

00:13:22.240 if you are a leader,

00:13:23.100 how do you unite that

00:13:24.260 when you've got people

00:13:25.100 that don't even want you

00:13:26.740 to just not win

00:13:27.660 but don't even want you

00:13:29.220 in the caucus?

00:13:30.040 How do you serve

00:13:31.280 and unify a caucus like that?

00:13:33.620 Some people think

00:13:34.520 the party is about the caucus.

00:13:36.320 The party is about the members.

00:13:37.940 We all serve

00:13:38.760 at the leisure of the members.

00:13:40.480 If I am given the honour

00:13:41.980 of leading this party,

00:13:42.860 it will be because of the members.

00:13:44.660 And so it's up to the caucus

00:13:46.260 to recognize and respect

00:13:48.160 the members

00:13:49.420 who put them there

00:13:50.740 to begin with

00:13:51.440 and elected the leader

00:13:52.560 that they want to lead the party.

00:13:54.280 So I firmly believe

00:13:57.140 that the caucus

00:13:57.700 will fall behind

00:13:58.460 anyone who is elected.

00:13:59.920 But at the end of the day,

00:14:00.880 there is this attitude

00:14:01.840 that it's about the caucus

00:14:03.700 and we're in Ottawa

00:14:04.860 and we're important.

00:14:06.260 We're not important.

00:14:07.400 It's the people

00:14:07.980 that put us there

00:14:08.820 and that's why I'm here

00:14:10.300 and I will never betray them.

00:14:12.540 You can say

00:14:13.380 that the members

00:14:14.020 put the caucus there

00:14:15.040 and if you're successful,

00:14:16.080 the members

00:14:16.500 will have put you there

00:14:17.680 and that is accurate.

00:14:18.860 But even so,

00:14:20.140 leadership is about unifying

00:14:21.920 rather than dividing.

00:14:22.980 So I'm not accusing you

00:14:24.780 of dividing

00:14:25.300 but you have divided

00:14:26.740 people against you

00:14:27.820 whether it's by your fault

00:14:29.020 or not.

00:14:29.860 So even if you say

00:14:30.620 the caucus isn't the be-all

00:14:32.080 and end-all,

00:14:33.140 what's your approach

00:14:33.900 going to be

00:14:34.440 as leader

00:14:35.300 with these people?

00:14:36.160 Because you still

00:14:36.820 will have to manage them.

00:14:38.200 Caucus management

00:14:38.840 is still a part of the role

00:14:40.360 of leader

00:14:40.760 of the Conservative Party.

00:14:42.400 Well, you know,

00:14:42.900 it's interesting

00:14:43.920 because I've been very clear

00:14:44.980 that I believe

00:14:45.700 that votes should be free

00:14:46.900 in caucus.

00:14:47.680 So for people

00:14:48.720 who don't agree

00:14:49.260 with me on certain things,

00:14:50.380 I'm not sitting here

00:14:51.800 saying I want to

00:14:52.420 twist their arm.

00:14:53.560 Again,

00:14:53.980 their mandate

00:14:56.200 is to do

00:14:56.940 what they feel

00:14:57.440 their constituents

00:14:58.020 elected them to do.

00:14:59.380 So I have no problem

00:15:00.480 with a caucus member

00:15:02.040 voting according

00:15:03.040 to their conscience

00:15:03.680 even if it's

00:15:04.280 a different conscience

00:15:04.940 than I have.

00:15:06.900 You know,

00:15:07.200 but I do believe

00:15:07.960 that this leadership race

00:15:09.620 is exposing

00:15:10.180 certain fault lines

00:15:11.160 in the party.

00:15:12.540 And, you know,

00:15:13.040 when you move

00:15:13.620 from a place,

00:15:14.600 when you're moving,

00:15:15.580 you know,

00:15:16.040 from A to B

00:15:17.260 or from a good place

00:15:18.040 to a better place,

00:15:19.300 it's never easy.

00:15:20.060 I mean,

00:15:20.200 if it was easy,

00:15:21.260 then everybody would do it.

00:15:22.940 But improving,

00:15:24.840 moving to a place

00:15:25.960 where we can become

00:15:26.600 the dominant political force

00:15:27.940 in this country

00:15:28.820 takes certain risks.

00:15:31.260 It takes stepping

00:15:32.320 on certain toes

00:15:33.080 and it's an inevitable outcome

00:15:34.980 of being able to win.

00:15:36.800 And so I'm not surprised

00:15:38.560 that this has happened,

00:15:39.860 but I'm not,

00:15:41.520 I'm not concerned.

00:15:42.540 Everyone loves a winner

00:15:43.540 and I'm,

00:15:44.480 I've experienced this before.

00:15:46.980 People say all kinds

00:15:47.680 of things about you

00:15:48.620 before you win

00:15:49.320 and then when you win,

00:15:49.980 they're your best friend.

00:15:50.740 So we'll,

00:15:51.300 we'll let that sort itself out.

00:15:53.400 So whether you like

00:15:54.360 or dislike

00:15:55.000 or agree

00:15:55.600 or disagree with his answer,

00:15:56.920 he gave an answer

00:15:57.720 and that was what

00:15:58.540 I was going for there.

00:16:00.100 And on the Aaron O'Toole

00:16:01.460 side of things,

00:16:02.320 I found it interesting

00:16:03.500 that Aaron O'Toole

00:16:04.720 has talked about

00:16:05.960 being a true blue conservative

00:16:07.800 through and through.

00:16:09.140 And I think on a lot

00:16:10.260 of the issues,

00:16:10.940 again,

00:16:11.140 he's coming out

00:16:11.840 and talking about free speech

00:16:13.160 and condemning cancel culture

00:16:14.580 and doing all of these things.

00:16:16.460 But it is very difficult

00:16:18.600 to not see there

00:16:20.000 as being some sort

00:16:21.200 of a transition

00:16:21.960 between when he ran

00:16:23.120 in 2017

00:16:24.420 and when he's running now.

00:16:26.520 And he actually said

00:16:28.420 when I spoke to him

00:16:29.300 on my show

00:16:29.800 a month or two ago

00:16:30.920 that, you know,

00:16:31.960 he's talking about

00:16:32.520 the same issues.

00:16:33.260 He says,

00:16:33.580 if anything,

00:16:34.640 you know,

00:16:35.140 he's always been

00:16:35.860 the true blue conservative,

00:16:36.880 just this time

00:16:37.720 the party has changed

00:16:38.660 so it makes him

00:16:39.320 look more conservative

00:16:40.620 than he is.

00:16:41.640 And I don't really think

00:16:42.940 that's entirely true

00:16:45.040 in the sense that

00:16:45.800 for Aaron O'Toole,

00:16:47.120 he is certainly trying

00:16:48.340 to pivot on tone

00:16:49.620 if not message.

00:16:51.120 He's trying to be

00:16:51.920 a lot more of a firebrand,

00:16:53.540 whereas in 2017,

00:16:54.940 he was Mr. Nice Guy.

00:16:56.300 And there's nothing wrong

00:16:57.080 with being Mr. Nice Guy.

00:16:58.120 Everyone likes Mr. Nice Guy.

00:16:59.660 Whereas right now,

00:17:00.620 he's coming out

00:17:01.300 on the attack.

00:17:02.180 He's attacking Peter McKay.

00:17:03.440 He's attacking Red Tories.

00:17:05.100 He was,

00:17:05.460 and I don't mean

00:17:06.420 attacking in a negative,

00:17:07.720 but just coming out

00:17:09.280 in a negative fashion

00:17:10.920 against these other people

00:17:12.920 and issues and stuff like that.

00:17:14.920 So I do think

00:17:16.080 that there is

00:17:16.700 a calculation there.

00:17:18.300 It's not that he's

00:17:18.960 being inauthentic.

00:17:19.900 It's that right now

00:17:20.600 he's saying,

00:17:21.200 okay,

00:17:21.520 we've got Peter McKay.

00:17:22.820 He's going to shore up

00:17:23.580 the Red Tories.

00:17:24.460 I need to find my space

00:17:26.000 and carve it out

00:17:26.700 to the right of him.

00:17:27.680 And it's very much

00:17:28.800 looked like that's been

00:17:30.000 what's happening

00:17:30.740 with Aaron O'Toole.

00:17:32.740 But the one issue

00:17:33.800 that I was really frustrated

00:17:35.380 about,

00:17:35.780 and this was what

00:17:36.360 I wanted to talk to him

00:17:37.320 about and get an answer,

00:17:38.480 and it took a little while,

00:17:39.680 but I think I got one,

00:17:41.140 is where he stands

00:17:42.340 on a carbon tax.

00:17:43.660 Because this is something

00:17:44.880 that's very important.

00:17:45.900 And his platform

00:17:46.640 had an item,

00:17:47.520 and you'll hear it

00:17:48.100 in my question

00:17:48.720 in a moment,

00:17:49.800 it had an item

00:17:50.720 that seems to indicate

00:17:53.220 support for a carbon tax.

00:17:55.500 And Peter McKay's campaign

00:17:56.920 has criticized him for it.

00:17:58.580 But I had never actually

00:17:59.780 heard anyone in the media

00:18:01.320 or in anywhere else

00:18:02.440 press him on this,

00:18:03.980 which is why

00:18:04.680 it goes back

00:18:05.680 to needing to get

00:18:06.400 an answer on issues

00:18:07.380 the Conservatives care about.

00:18:09.060 And this is once and for all

00:18:10.280 Aaron O'Toole's response

00:18:11.640 to the carbon tax question.

00:18:13.420 You say in your platform

00:18:14.880 that the carbon tax is gone.

00:18:17.000 You also say you want

00:18:18.280 a national regulatory

00:18:19.720 and pricing scheme

00:18:21.100 on industrial emitters.

00:18:23.080 And your rationale for this

00:18:24.620 has been that you don't want

00:18:25.400 to target individual

00:18:26.380 Canadian families,

00:18:27.700 but rather target

00:18:28.660 the companies themselves.

00:18:30.900 We all know

00:18:32.100 that any cost

00:18:33.260 that a company has to bear

00:18:34.560 gets filtered down.

00:18:35.840 So any tax that's put

00:18:36.900 on a manufacturer

00:18:37.760 or distributor

00:18:38.380 is something

00:18:39.360 that Canadians are paying.

00:18:40.460 So how can you say

00:18:41.180 you're against the carbon tax

00:18:42.340 when your plan seems

00:18:43.500 to just move the tax

00:18:44.580 to another payer?

00:18:45.920 No, there is no tax.

00:18:47.620 There's no federal carbon tax.

00:18:49.440 I will eliminate

00:18:50.500 the carbon tax

00:18:51.400 completely, Andrew.

00:18:52.800 What I've said

00:18:53.640 in terms of

00:18:54.180 the national framework,

00:18:55.760 we have to respect

00:18:56.800 what the provinces

00:18:57.640 are doing now.

00:19:00.060 In BC,

00:19:00.920 there's been

00:19:01.360 their provincial carbon tax

00:19:03.020 started by Gordon Campbell.

00:19:04.640 I've talked to him

00:19:05.740 about some of the challenges

00:19:07.080 and problems

00:19:07.620 that were caused,

00:19:08.280 but he explained

00:19:09.980 to me his rationale there.

00:19:11.120 Quebec has a version

00:19:12.240 of a cap-and-trade system.

00:19:13.840 Alberta, Ontario,

00:19:15.040 my own province

00:19:15.680 has a large emitter strategy

00:19:17.100 just working with emissions

00:19:18.480 of the larger emitters.

00:19:20.500 We need to follow

00:19:21.560 the provinces here

00:19:22.580 because guess what?

00:19:24.200 They have shared jurisdiction

00:19:25.320 on the economy.

00:19:26.500 I've been saying this

00:19:27.180 for years.

00:19:28.240 The Court of Appeal

00:19:28.920 in Alberta

00:19:29.360 in February

00:19:29.820 just supported my view

00:19:31.000 when they said

00:19:31.600 Trudeau's carbon tax

00:19:32.820 is unconstitutional.

00:19:35.020 We actually have to say

00:19:36.340 on the federal government,

00:19:37.220 how can we make sure

00:19:38.720 we respect

00:19:39.760 the different approach

00:19:40.960 within a national framework

00:19:43.060 and say this is how

00:19:44.480 we're going to reduce emissions?

00:19:46.000 Not with a tax,

00:19:47.460 but with partnering

00:19:48.280 with the provinces

00:19:49.160 to get their emissions down.

00:19:50.980 But does your platform

00:19:51.960 or does it not say pricing?

00:19:54.720 Because the provinces

00:19:55.880 are pricing.

00:19:56.600 But you say national pricing.

00:19:58.320 So is there going,

00:19:59.060 can you say

00:19:59.560 that there is not going

00:20:00.420 to be any federal price

00:20:02.160 on carbon

00:20:02.680 at a federal level

00:20:03.920 for anyone,

00:20:05.040 whether it's a family

00:20:05.920 or an industrial emitter?

00:20:07.840 The provinces

00:20:08.500 will be in the driver's seat.

00:20:10.100 So I will respect

00:20:11.160 what they do.

00:20:12.500 Look,

00:20:12.980 two great conservatives,

00:20:14.340 my friends Jason Kenney

00:20:15.900 and Doug Ford,

00:20:16.940 have large emitter approaches

00:20:18.480 where they're stepping down

00:20:20.220 through a price

00:20:21.180 on carbon

00:20:21.680 for emitters.

00:20:22.420 What the provinces

00:20:23.660 decide to do,

00:20:25.280 often with the cooperation

00:20:27.360 of industry,

00:20:28.740 I will respect.

00:20:30.200 And the national framework

00:20:31.420 is because we are reporting

00:20:33.780 a Canadian response

00:20:35.340 and we have to recognize

00:20:37.040 we have a confederation.

00:20:39.720 We have a national unity crisis

00:20:41.180 because Justin Trudeau

00:20:42.220 doesn't understand that.

00:20:43.720 That's why the Wexit movement

00:20:45.240 is gaining steam

00:20:46.820 because he has attacked

00:20:48.260 the ability

00:20:48.880 for certain provinces

00:20:50.120 to live to their economic potential.

00:20:52.600 I will respect that.

00:20:54.020 In fact,

00:20:54.340 I will empower it.

00:20:55.740 My first hundred days

00:20:56.580 is all natural resources.

00:20:58.060 But if they want to work

00:21:00.360 on reducing emissions

00:21:01.520 and target working with

00:21:03.620 and partnering

00:21:04.280 with large emitters,

00:21:05.740 why should Ottawa

00:21:06.600 get involved, Andrew?

00:21:07.580 We should say

00:21:08.320 we are going to incorporate

00:21:10.080 Alberta's approach

00:21:11.520 alongside Quebec's approach.

00:21:13.320 And we're not going to say

00:21:14.500 this approach is bad

00:21:15.540 and this one is good.

00:21:16.600 We're going to say

00:21:17.380 Canada's diverse economy.

00:21:19.580 We've got an offshore

00:21:20.520 in Newfoundland

00:21:21.400 and Labrador as well

00:21:22.320 that's in trouble now

00:21:23.200 because of Trudeau.

00:21:24.100 We are going to try

00:21:25.140 and make sure

00:21:25.620 that we have

00:21:26.140 a national respected approach

00:21:28.040 that allows the provinces

00:21:29.780 to lead.

00:21:30.880 But what if a province says

00:21:32.040 they don't want any part of it?

00:21:33.140 A provincial government

00:21:33.940 in some provinces

00:21:35.100 says we don't believe

00:21:36.000 that we need to deal

00:21:37.060 with emissions.

00:21:37.660 We don't believe

00:21:38.080 in a carbon tax.

00:21:39.260 Does inaction fit

00:21:40.460 into that national framework

00:21:41.620 if that's what a province chooses?

00:21:43.140 If that's what

00:21:43.600 the province chooses, yes.

00:21:44.920 So there you have it.

00:21:45.600 So he says it's just

00:21:46.780 simply about

00:21:48.060 letting the provinces do it.

00:21:49.680 And look,

00:21:50.120 I'm not going to lie to you.

00:21:51.560 I do think that he could

00:21:52.640 have worded that a lot better

00:21:53.680 because that's not

00:21:54.480 what I was reading

00:21:55.200 in the platform.

00:21:55.880 But that's what he says

00:21:57.560 on record

00:21:58.320 that he will not impose

00:21:59.740 anything federally.

00:22:00.780 He will just allow provinces

00:22:01.900 to do what they want

00:22:02.840 even if that means

00:22:04.120 do nothing at all

00:22:05.020 which I would encourage

00:22:06.000 many provincial governments

00:22:07.080 to explore.

00:22:08.620 Which brings us

00:22:09.860 forth and finally

00:22:11.160 to Peter McKay.

00:22:12.560 And I want to say this

00:22:14.180 because I do not have

00:22:15.460 a vendetta

00:22:16.180 against Peter McKay.

00:22:17.280 I actually don't have

00:22:18.100 any personal issues

00:22:19.140 with him at all.

00:22:20.120 I think I interviewed him

00:22:21.220 when he was

00:22:21.880 defense minister.

00:22:22.880 I might be wrong

00:22:23.840 about where it was

00:22:24.740 or maybe he was

00:22:25.260 attorney general

00:22:25.860 at the time.

00:22:26.800 But I interviewed him

00:22:27.440 on my old terrestrial radio show

00:22:29.500 at some point

00:22:30.340 and I've met him

00:22:31.500 when I worked in Ottawa.

00:22:32.480 He was around

00:22:33.060 and I've never had

00:22:34.300 any negative issues

00:22:35.460 with him.

00:22:36.300 I know the side

00:22:37.180 of the party

00:22:37.620 that he comes from.

00:22:38.560 He was the leader

00:22:39.140 of the Progressive

00:22:39.940 Conservative Party

00:22:40.720 of Canada.

00:22:41.520 But if you accept

00:22:42.560 that it's a big blue tent

00:22:43.880 you have to accept

00:22:44.800 that there are going

00:22:45.600 to be red Tories

00:22:46.320 and blue Tories.

00:22:47.240 So I do not have

00:22:48.100 any issues with him

00:22:48.880 when he ran.

00:22:50.320 I said great

00:22:50.860 let's hear what

00:22:51.460 he has to say.

00:22:52.220 And for Peter McKay

00:22:53.960 to come out

00:22:54.880 and say

00:22:56.120 you know

00:22:56.460 he's going to be

00:22:56.940 the jobs prime minister

00:22:58.060 he's going to do this

00:22:58.980 he's going to do this

00:22:59.780 a lot of what he's saying

00:23:01.740 is indistinguishable

00:23:03.160 from what other

00:23:03.800 candidates are saying.

00:23:05.340 On firearms

00:23:06.060 he's as conservative

00:23:07.480 as you need him to be.

00:23:08.420 On the economy

00:23:09.000 he's as conservative

00:23:09.880 as you need him to be.

00:23:11.180 And when I was preparing

00:23:12.320 for the debate

00:23:13.400 I was looking through

00:23:14.740 all of the candidates

00:23:15.740 platforms

00:23:16.340 with a fine tooth comb

00:23:17.560 and there's very little

00:23:19.260 in Peter McKay's platform.

00:23:20.880 In fact I don't think

00:23:21.540 there was anything

00:23:22.140 that I found

00:23:22.800 expressly objectionable

00:23:24.480 about the issues

00:23:26.040 that he wants to raise

00:23:27.600 because he's picking

00:23:28.820 safe unobjectionable issues.

00:23:31.200 My only concerns

00:23:32.500 with Peter McKay

00:23:33.380 have been in his conduct

00:23:35.280 throughout the leadership race.

00:23:37.200 And lest this sound arrogant

00:23:38.760 it's not that I think

00:23:39.780 everyone needs to

00:23:40.480 you know bend over

00:23:41.320 kiss my ring

00:23:42.160 because I don't have a ring

00:23:43.480 well I do have a ring

00:23:44.400 but not like in a mob boss way.

00:23:46.180 But I don't have

00:23:47.500 this expectation

00:23:48.440 that the conservative party

00:23:50.660 leadership candidates

00:23:51.840 know who I am

00:23:52.720 and do my bidding.

00:23:54.100 It's me as a stand-in

00:23:55.740 for independent media here.

00:23:57.280 If you are not prepared

00:23:58.420 in a leadership race

00:24:00.200 when you need to be

00:24:01.260 talking to people

00:24:02.140 who are in the conservative base

00:24:03.740 if you're not prepared

00:24:04.980 to sit down

00:24:05.560 with independent media

00:24:06.440 for interviews

00:24:07.160 then you are not prepared

00:24:08.980 to address

00:24:09.780 the conservative base

00:24:11.160 at all.

00:24:12.080 Because we know

00:24:12.880 and this is by the way

00:24:13.880 what happened

00:24:14.420 with many other

00:24:15.460 conservative leaders

00:24:16.340 where in the leadership race

00:24:17.540 they're all over

00:24:18.200 conservative media

00:24:19.100 conservative talk radio

00:24:20.360 but then once they win

00:24:22.100 there's oh well

00:24:23.360 you know I like

00:24:24.260 you know they

00:24:24.720 they want to focus on

00:24:25.720 CBC, CTV, Globe and Mail

00:24:27.440 and all these other places.

00:24:29.480 And for someone to

00:24:31.000 in a leadership

00:24:32.120 and that's so important

00:24:33.780 to not take the time

00:24:35.400 to talk to independent media

00:24:36.680 that tells me

00:24:37.720 they're not going to care

00:24:38.480 about independent media

00:24:39.360 once they are the leader.

00:24:41.080 And that was my issue

00:24:42.020 with Peter McKay

00:24:42.780 and that's something

00:24:43.800 that's not even rooted

00:24:44.920 in policy

00:24:45.680 that's rooted

00:24:46.660 in an overall outlook

00:24:47.960 and I was already

00:24:49.080 and I wrote about this

00:24:50.260 a couple of weeks ago

00:24:51.220 or a couple of months ago

00:24:53.140 when Peter McKay

00:24:54.280 was the one single candidate

00:24:56.000 to not agree to sit down

00:24:57.380 for the conservative

00:24:58.400 leadership series

00:24:59.320 in fact to not even respond

00:25:01.020 to the invitations.

00:25:02.620 It was incredibly frustrating

00:25:03.900 because we had this series

00:25:05.480 that was meant

00:25:06.040 to really just be

00:25:06.820 a friendly introduction

00:25:08.480 of the candidates

00:25:09.360 to the people watching

00:25:11.400 and we had to go one short.

00:25:13.520 So then you take that

00:25:14.520 and you compound it

00:25:15.540 by throwing the last minute

00:25:16.960 withdrawal from the debate

00:25:18.460 into the mix

00:25:20.080 and it's very difficult

00:25:21.020 to have any confidence

00:25:22.000 that independent media

00:25:23.580 and by extension

00:25:24.960 conservative media

00:25:26.120 would have any sort of influence

00:25:29.200 or access

00:25:30.060 or even the ability

00:25:32.200 to do the work

00:25:33.460 if Peter McKay

00:25:34.800 were the conservative leader.

00:25:36.280 And that's just something

00:25:37.440 I've had to reckon with

00:25:38.900 based on the conduct

00:25:40.320 of Peter McKay

00:25:41.260 and his campaign

00:25:42.120 over the last few months

00:25:43.880 and you can take from that

00:25:45.020 what you will

00:25:45.500 but that's the concern

00:25:46.920 that I have about this.

00:25:48.360 So my hope would be

00:25:50.200 that all candidates

00:25:52.400 would say

00:25:53.460 yes we think

00:25:54.840 the conservative base

00:25:55.880 is important

00:25:56.400 here's what we're doing

00:25:57.320 and unfortunately

00:25:58.860 not all of them did.

00:26:00.540 So I've shared with you

00:26:01.680 the frustrations

00:26:03.300 I've had

00:26:03.940 with each of the candidates

00:26:05.180 and the positives

00:26:06.600 that we've talked about.

00:26:07.520 I mean the positives

00:26:08.440 I think are fairly clear.

00:26:10.040 I think by and large

00:26:10.880 most of them are putting forward

00:26:12.060 conservative visions.

00:26:13.620 Some are being more aggressive

00:26:14.820 with it than others

00:26:15.640 and I do think

00:26:16.840 that that is going to be

00:26:17.920 a big big point

00:26:19.480 moving forward

00:26:20.180 that needs to be addressed

00:26:21.100 which is

00:26:21.480 are you prepared

00:26:22.200 to actually transition this

00:26:23.780 from your leadership race

00:26:25.420 into your general election campaign

00:26:28.020 if you are

00:26:28.860 and I think

00:26:29.340 the importance of people

00:26:30.480 holding them to account on that.

00:26:32.320 Take a look at Andrew Scheer

00:26:33.540 for example.

00:26:34.600 When he ran for the leadership

00:26:35.640 he talked about defunding CBC News

00:26:37.620 and then once he was the leader

00:26:39.020 we never heard

00:26:40.100 of the policy again.

00:26:41.840 So that being said

00:26:43.400 Aaron O'Toole

00:26:44.120 was a bit more forceful

00:26:45.380 on that.

00:26:46.200 So there's more

00:26:47.600 of his words to use

00:26:48.880 rather than with Andrew Scheer

00:26:50.020 I think it was just

00:26:50.540 an iPolitics story

00:26:51.700 that quoted like an answer

00:26:53.820 to a question he gave

00:26:55.180 about something

00:26:55.840 but that's where we are now.

00:26:57.700 In any case

00:26:58.360 we've got to take

00:26:58.960 a quick break

00:26:59.740 when we come back

00:27:00.580 more of the Andrew Lawton show

00:27:02.380 here on True North.

00:27:03.580 Well we know

00:27:13.660 that statues

00:27:14.340 are coming down

00:27:15.580 all over North America

00:27:17.480 names are being

00:27:18.460 stripped off of buildings

00:27:19.600 not even outer space

00:27:21.620 is safe

00:27:22.420 from the cancel war scourge.

00:27:24.640 This comes from

00:27:25.820 The Guardian

00:27:26.400 NASA to change

00:27:27.780 harmful

00:27:28.420 and insensitive

00:27:29.580 planet and galaxy

00:27:31.000 nicknames.

00:27:31.800 The Space Agency

00:27:33.160 has said

00:27:33.800 the article writes

00:27:35.020 that certain

00:27:35.700 cosmic nicknames

00:27:36.960 are insensitive

00:27:38.420 and they're going

00:27:39.900 to spend time

00:27:41.380 to identify

00:27:42.520 and address

00:27:43.060 systemic discrimination

00:27:44.140 and inequality

00:27:44.940 in all aspects

00:27:47.460 of the field

00:27:47.980 and it's clear

00:27:49.420 that that includes

00:27:50.200 cosmic nicknames.

00:27:51.880 So for example

00:27:52.660 there's a planetary nebula

00:27:54.300 called NGC 2392

00:27:56.380 I've been there

00:27:56.940 it's a lovely place

00:27:57.660 known as the Eskimo Nebula

00:27:59.900 which is a dying

00:28:01.680 sun-like star

00:28:02.720 that's blowing off

00:28:03.520 its outer layers

00:28:04.200 I'm told

00:28:04.860 but they said

00:28:05.680 Eskimo is

00:28:06.780 quote

00:28:07.140 widely viewed

00:28:08.120 as a colonial term

00:28:09.300 with a racist history

00:28:10.780 imposed on the

00:28:12.120 indigenous people

00:28:12.920 of Arctic regions.

00:28:14.760 And then there are also

00:28:15.780 galaxies NGC 4567

00:28:18.740 and NGC 4568

00:28:20.820 which are referred to

00:28:22.100 as the Siamese

00:28:23.060 Twins Galaxy

00:28:24.340 because they are

00:28:26.480 now

00:28:26.980 but no longer

00:28:28.340 are they the Siamese Twins

00:28:29.400 because Siamese Twins

00:28:30.480 is apparently

00:28:31.000 no longer

00:28:31.600 inclusive

00:28:32.620 as it says

00:28:33.580 and there are some

00:28:35.200 that have been said

00:28:36.320 are inappropriate

00:28:37.240 that they're keeping

00:28:38.400 like cosmic object

00:28:40.880 Barnard 33

00:28:41.860 which is the

00:28:42.480 horse head nebula

00:28:43.400 that one gets to stay

00:28:44.520 but

00:28:46.560 oh gosh

00:28:48.220 so here's my

00:28:49.560 my issue with this

00:28:50.380 and I have a great

00:28:50.880 many issues with it

00:28:51.760 but one of them

00:28:52.420 is that the whole reason

00:28:54.600 things have nicknames

00:28:55.580 is because no one

00:28:56.300 can actually remember

00:28:57.240 NGC 2392

00:28:58.920 NGC 4567

00:29:00.460 NGC 4568

00:29:01.900 which I only know

00:29:02.980 because I'm looking at now

00:29:03.960 and will have forgotten

00:29:04.780 actually I've already

00:29:05.320 forgotten it

00:29:06.000 but also like

00:29:07.740 who was offended by it?

00:29:10.240 I mean I get like

00:29:11.340 not naming new ones

00:29:12.620 moving forward

00:29:13.360 that one I understand

00:29:14.460 like okay

00:29:15.000 you know maybe we

00:29:16.140 don't rename something

00:29:17.540 Eskimo now

00:29:18.440 because people have

00:29:19.240 issue with it

00:29:19.740 like even the Eskimo

00:29:20.560 pies are gone

00:29:21.660 but for crying out loud

00:29:23.440 like if we're actually

00:29:24.460 saying that we have

00:29:25.820 to go back

00:29:26.340 and any object

00:29:27.400 in space

00:29:28.180 that's ever been

00:29:28.960 named something

00:29:29.580 is no longer

00:29:30.420 this is why

00:29:31.620 in the future

00:29:32.300 we're only going

00:29:33.260 to get to call

00:29:34.040 things by the numbers

00:29:35.220 because the numbers

00:29:36.080 until we determine

00:29:37.200 the numbers are

00:29:37.860 problematic

00:29:38.380 the numeric names

00:29:40.000 are going to be

00:29:40.420 the only things

00:29:41.020 that are allowed

00:29:41.620 and incidentally

00:29:43.460 it isn't just

00:29:44.780 space

00:29:45.720 but also insects

00:29:47.100 the insect world

00:29:48.020 is going through

00:29:48.960 this as well

00:29:49.680 where

00:29:50.560 and I have this

00:29:51.700 from Science Magazine

00:29:52.920 but I picked it up

00:29:53.920 via the college fix

00:29:54.960 scholars are targeting

00:29:56.540 quote

00:29:57.000 problematic

00:29:57.840 common animal names

00:29:59.800 including

00:30:00.200 slave maker

00:30:01.060 ant

00:30:01.520 gypsy moth 1.00

00:30:02.420 rape bug

00:30:03.420 and dozens more

00:30:05.280 this is being led

00:30:07.180 by Arizona

00:30:08.780 PhD candidate

00:30:10.260 Aaron McGee

00:30:11.420 who is running

00:30:12.740 a popular

00:30:13.580 Twitter profile

00:30:14.680 right now

00:30:15.180 that has a campaign

00:30:16.080 and has put forward

00:30:17.420 a spreadsheet

00:30:17.940 of 60 plant

00:30:19.140 and animal species

00:30:19.960 names

00:30:20.400 that her

00:30:21.940 colleagues think

00:30:23.040 are problematic

00:30:24.040 and this has been

00:30:25.400 inspired by

00:30:26.360 protest against

00:30:27.360 racism

00:30:27.920 and they're deciding

00:30:29.380 that they need

00:30:29.960 to go after this

00:30:31.040 for example

00:30:32.640 there is a

00:30:34.080 hottentatus

00:30:35.000 I don't know

00:30:36.440 but there is

00:30:37.500 some species

00:30:38.340 that have

00:30:38.960 hottentot in their

00:30:39.840 names from this

00:30:40.600 Latin term

00:30:41.280 but apparently

00:30:42.220 hottentot was used

00:30:43.500 as a racial slur

00:30:44.480 against indigenous 1.00

00:30:45.220 Africans during

00:30:46.100 apartheid

00:30:46.740 see I didn't

00:30:47.600 know that

00:30:48.120 and I don't

00:30:49.640 think that most

00:30:50.460 other people

00:30:51.160 knew that

00:30:51.880 and now we're

00:30:53.140 changing not just

00:30:54.060 the nicknames

00:30:54.720 but we're actually

00:30:55.420 changing like the

00:30:56.320 Latin species name

00:30:57.540 of this

00:30:57.900 because of something

00:30:59.100 that was apparently

00:30:59.760 used as a slur

00:31:00.900 in a country

00:31:02.460 40 years ago

00:31:04.040 which again

00:31:04.980 I don't think

00:31:05.920 is something

00:31:06.940 that is good

00:31:07.740 I don't think

00:31:08.340 that if we learn

00:31:09.040 about this

00:31:09.420 we should actively

00:31:10.100 name things after it

00:31:11.340 but when we're

00:31:12.320 going back

00:31:12.880 and amending

00:31:13.600 long-standing

00:31:14.580 Latin names

00:31:15.520 that by the way

00:31:16.760 exist in literature

00:31:18.140 that people will

00:31:18.980 be looking into

00:31:19.960 when they are

00:31:20.500 studying these

00:31:21.180 things for the

00:31:22.520 future and

00:31:23.160 throughout until

00:31:24.020 the end of time

00:31:24.640 changing the names

00:31:26.440 in science seems

00:31:27.860 to create a lot

00:31:28.960 more trouble

00:31:29.760 than it solves

00:31:31.020 and when you

00:31:31.760 decide that social

00:31:32.720 justice is going

00:31:33.480 to be the lens

00:31:34.140 through which you

00:31:35.020 view everything

00:31:35.840 you're not leaving

00:31:37.120 yourself a lot of

00:31:38.020 wiggle room to get

00:31:38.780 out of this

00:31:39.300 and even by the

00:31:40.680 way another story

00:31:41.960 that I found in

00:31:42.580 the college fix

00:31:43.360 a provo of

00:31:44.580 University of

00:31:45.240 Washington has

00:31:46.460 been reprimanded

00:31:47.800 for using the

00:31:49.260 term mantra

00:31:50.880 or mantra

00:31:51.860 as some people

00:31:52.420 say but mantra

00:31:53.200 mantra because

00:31:54.160 apparently this is

00:31:55.120 now bias against

00:31:56.520 Buddhism 0.96

00:31:57.160 this comes from

00:31:59.140 this is serious

00:32:00.260 by the way

00:32:00.720 when I go away

00:32:01.360 for vacation

00:32:01.860 this is what I

00:32:02.500 come back to

00:32:03.140 the University of

00:32:04.740 Washington provo

00:32:05.420 Mark Richards

00:32:06.040 sent an email

00:32:07.080 to students

00:32:07.580 saying that

00:32:08.120 access and

00:32:08.880 excellence are

00:32:10.120 the school's

00:32:11.000 mantra and

00:32:12.720 they're working

00:32:13.140 hard to do

00:32:13.980 yada yada yada

00:32:14.740 and the term

00:32:15.900 was used in a

00:32:17.540 sentence that was

00:32:18.220 about excellence

00:32:18.940 and standing up

00:32:19.920 for you know

00:32:20.700 all the values

00:32:21.260 of the school

00:32:21.760 it had nothing

00:32:22.260 to do with

00:32:22.740 social justice

00:32:23.420 nothing to do

00:32:24.040 with racism

00:32:24.740 or anti-racism

00:32:25.800 but now the

00:32:26.880 complaint has

00:32:28.160 triggered that

00:32:29.120 many people in

00:32:30.500 the Buddhist and

00:32:31.180 Hindu community

00:32:31.880 hold this term

00:32:32.800 as a highly

00:32:33.980 spiritual and

00:32:34.920 religious practice

00:32:35.900 experience rather

00:32:37.200 not to be used

00:32:38.500 the way Mark

00:32:39.100 Richards did with

00:32:40.400 nonchalance and

00:32:41.880 instead of just

00:32:42.440 saying hey you

00:32:43.040 know we really

00:32:43.480 wish you wouldn't

00:32:44.020 do it it's now a

00:32:45.460 violation of the

00:32:46.300 school's rules on

00:32:47.840 ethnicity general

00:32:48.860 climate national

00:32:49.760 origin and

00:32:50.540 religious slash

00:32:51.500 creed which means

00:32:53.000 that the bias

00:32:53.660 complaint is now

00:32:54.560 going to mean that

00:32:55.320 this guy is like a 1.00

00:32:56.320 dirty stinking 1.00

00:32:56.900 racist until the 1.00

00:32:58.300 end of his days on

00:32:59.360 school and the

00:33:00.780 diversity office has

00:33:02.020 now been involved

00:33:02.760 because you know

00:33:03.680 that's something that

00:33:04.640 totally needs to

00:33:05.300 exist all because

00:33:07.060 he used mantra so

00:33:08.140 again pretty soon

00:33:09.180 no words are

00:33:10.680 going to be

00:33:11.340 allowed so we

00:33:12.420 might as well just

00:33:13.160 start communicating

00:33:13.920 in grunts the

00:33:14.760 way that the

00:33:15.180 cavemen or sorry

00:33:16.240 cave people did

00:33:17.240 because that's the

00:33:18.060 only non-problematic

00:33:19.280 way of expressing

00:33:20.060 ourselves in 2020

00:33:21.500 when we come back

00:33:22.900 talking about an

00:33:23.580 event coming to

00:33:24.480 Ottawa gun owners

00:33:26.020 want to be heard

00:33:27.280 we'll talk about how

00:33:28.040 they're going to make

00:33:28.540 that happen up next

00:33:29.860 on the Andrew

00:33:30.540 Lawton show

00:33:31.140 well we know that

00:33:40.380 since Justin Trudeau

00:33:41.360 was elected gun

00:33:42.380 owners have been a

00:33:43.480 group that the

00:33:44.460 liberals feel they

00:33:45.340 can go after with

00:33:46.480 impunity and there

00:33:47.980 are a lot of things

00:33:48.660 that play into this

00:33:49.740 that we've spoken

00:33:50.340 about in the past

00:33:51.220 the media not

00:33:51.960 understanding guns a

00:33:53.120 lot of politicians

00:33:53.880 not wanting to get

00:33:55.500 in and have these

00:33:56.240 discussions but for

00:33:57.680 the most part any

00:33:58.800 time I've spoken

00:33:59.640 about firearms on

00:34:00.880 this show the

00:34:01.960 volume of response

00:34:03.320 it gets is huge

00:34:04.800 and not just from

00:34:05.640 gun owners but

00:34:06.720 people that say

00:34:07.520 yeah you know what

00:34:08.200 I guess I didn't

00:34:08.960 actually know how

00:34:10.500 ubiquitous gun

00:34:11.400 ownership was in

00:34:12.280 Canada so it is

00:34:13.680 important that people

00:34:14.660 know that gun

00:34:15.460 owners are here

00:34:16.220 they're a part of

00:34:16.860 the country they're

00:34:17.880 not posing any

00:34:18.740 problems and

00:34:19.660 hopefully get the

00:34:20.480 politicians to stop

00:34:21.620 picking on this

00:34:22.480 group to use a term

00:34:23.920 that sounds trite

00:34:24.800 just because they

00:34:25.540 feel it's politically

00:34:26.540 advantageous to do

00:34:27.700 so well one of the

00:34:28.880 big firearms groups

00:34:29.920 in Canada the

00:34:30.760 Canadian Coalition

00:34:31.640 for Firearm Rights

00:34:32.740 is hosting a big

00:34:34.460 march on Parliament

00:34:36.020 Hill a march in

00:34:36.940 Ottawa that's coming

00:34:38.260 up on September 12th

00:34:39.880 it's called the

00:34:40.460 Integrity March

00:34:41.480 we'll talk about

00:34:42.360 what exactly they

00:34:43.180 hope to achieve with

00:34:44.080 this with Rod

00:34:45.260 Giltaka the CEO and

00:34:46.660 Executive Director of

00:34:48.140 CCFR who joins me

00:34:49.480 on the line now

00:34:50.300 Rod good to talk to

00:34:51.300 you thanks for coming

00:34:51.920 back on the show

00:34:52.580 thanks for having me

00:34:53.940 Andrew

00:34:54.160 so what's the point

00:34:55.500 of this

00:34:55.920 so the point of

00:34:57.620 this is we don't

00:34:59.060 we aren't we

00:35:00.240 don't seem to be

00:35:00.800 getting the the

00:35:01.980 proper focus on this

00:35:02.980 conversation taking

00:35:04.220 guns away from

00:35:05.160 millions of Canadians

00:35:06.080 is a big deal

00:35:06.800 it's a big problem

00:35:07.860 so we we hope to

00:35:09.620 show Canadians that

00:35:10.760 maybe aren't familiar

00:35:11.880 with what gun

00:35:12.900 owners look like 0.87

00:35:13.640 who gun owners are

00:35:14.740 which is basically

00:35:15.620 your neighbors and

00:35:16.560 and and the people

00:35:17.600 in your community

00:35:18.260 we also want to

00:35:20.080 bring some attention

00:35:21.200 to our issue

00:35:22.200 because it's it's

00:35:24.000 very difficult to get

00:35:24.760 your message out in

00:35:25.540 any long format

00:35:27.020 long enough to

00:35:27.680 explain what the

00:35:28.460 issues are on

00:35:29.200 mainstream media

00:35:29.920 and of course they're

00:35:30.680 biased against us

00:35:31.620 because they're

00:35:32.520 getting a paycheck

00:35:33.160 from the people that

00:35:34.000 are want to

00:35:34.580 confiscate the guns

00:35:35.440 so we're trying to

00:35:36.580 get a little bit more

00:35:37.620 national attention of

00:35:38.740 what we're doing

00:35:39.240 and we also want to

00:35:40.620 be there and

00:35:41.240 accessible to

00:35:41.920 mainstream Canadians

00:35:42.800 this is something

00:35:44.360 that I find to be

00:35:45.660 so important

00:35:46.480 the idea of

00:35:47.460 normalizing gun

00:35:48.560 ownership and

00:35:49.220 for a lot of

00:35:50.040 people they were

00:35:51.000 raised with guns

00:35:51.880 they know what they

00:35:52.580 are it's not a

00:35:53.380 political thing for

00:35:54.240 them it's just a

00:35:54.880 way of life

00:35:55.480 and then you get

00:35:56.380 similarly even people

00:35:57.780 on the quote-unquote

00:35:58.940 right that grew up

00:36:00.040 in cities like

00:36:00.800 Toronto Montreal

00:36:02.040 Vancouver they've

00:36:03.040 never been around it

00:36:03.940 they've never been

00:36:04.500 exposed to it

00:36:05.340 and when confronted

00:36:06.760 with that you have

00:36:07.820 two options you can

00:36:08.820 either say all right

00:36:09.780 I'm gonna learn a

00:36:10.660 bit more about this

00:36:11.740 or the alternative

00:36:12.860 that I think a lot of

00:36:13.800 people in the media

00:36:14.460 do dig their heels in

00:36:15.940 and say no I don't

00:36:16.780 like guns I don't

00:36:17.700 want to be around

00:36:18.380 them how do you

00:36:19.980 educate people with

00:36:21.420 a march I mean it's

00:36:22.540 one thing to say yeah

00:36:23.420 we're here but the

00:36:24.540 media could just as

00:36:25.260 easily say oh they're

00:36:26.100 just you know angry

00:36:26.880 and bitter and all of

00:36:27.860 that stuff well what

00:36:29.820 we're hoping to do is

00:36:31.020 have gun owners come

00:36:32.000 from across the

00:36:32.600 country and hopefully

00:36:34.300 more from the general

00:36:35.260 area right so people

00:36:36.280 don't have to drive for

00:36:37.420 for four days but like

00:36:39.900 I said be accessible to

00:36:41.140 media so if the media

00:36:41.980 is really curious they

00:36:43.060 can come down and they

00:36:43.840 can talk to us we're

00:36:44.800 going to be there

00:36:45.260 we're going to be

00:36:45.680 conducting interviews

00:36:46.460 we're going to have

00:36:47.380 film crews there

00:36:48.280 recording the entire

00:36:49.580 event ourselves and

00:36:52.520 again we just we just

00:36:53.960 want to be available

00:36:54.680 and hopefully some

00:36:56.520 pictures will come out

00:36:57.580 even if it's minimal

00:36:58.660 media coverage at least

00:37:01.120 there'll be some

00:37:01.680 footage being shown and

00:37:03.360 Canadians will see who

00:37:04.680 these terrible gun

00:37:05.420 owners are they're the

00:37:06.240 mechanic that works on

00:37:07.040 your car or the lawyer

00:37:08.300 that prepared your will

00:37:09.280 or the doctor in ER you

00:37:10.860 know we're just regular

00:37:12.040 Canadians so that's we

00:37:13.620 just have to do

00:37:14.180 something because the

00:37:14.960 persecution against gun

00:37:15.980 owners is unprecedented

00:37:17.760 I know predicting

00:37:19.600 numbers on a new

00:37:20.820 event something that

00:37:21.760 has never happened

00:37:22.500 before is always

00:37:23.640 difficult so I'll ask

00:37:25.080 the question in a bit

00:37:26.040 of a different way

00:37:26.640 here Rod what do you

00:37:28.080 think would constitute

00:37:28.960 a success for turnout

00:37:30.460 well I'm not a fan of

00:37:33.100 hyperbole so I'm not

00:37:34.200 going to say you know

00:37:34.880 we're getting 2.2

00:37:35.820 million gun owners out

00:37:36.960 because that's a total

00:37:37.940 number of gun owners in

00:37:38.900 country well not gun

00:37:40.660 owners but licensed gun

00:37:41.620 owners I'd like to get a

00:37:43.720 thousand people there a

00:37:44.660 thousand people is a

00:37:45.880 big crowd and one of

00:37:47.780 the other things I'd

00:37:48.320 like to do is contrast

00:37:49.440 that to our political

00:37:52.040 adversaries so let's say

00:37:53.640 the the spin doctors for

00:37:55.220 protection from guns you

00:37:56.820 know they had their

00:37:57.380 national day of action

00:37:58.420 you know there's going to

00:37:59.120 be action across the

00:37:59.940 country there's like four

00:38:00.720 people in Calgary even in

00:38:02.580 their epicenter of

00:38:03.700 Toronto they probably had

00:38:04.980 a hundred people but yet

00:38:06.140 they tell us relentlessly

00:38:08.420 ad nauseum oh Canadians

00:38:11.180 are overwhelmingly in favor

00:38:12.600 of people like me getting

00:38:14.420 stepped on my property

00:38:15.880 taken and then somehow

00:38:17.040 that's going to stop gang

00:38:18.460 shootings or some guy

00:38:19.920 dressed up as an RCMP

00:38:21.020 officer shooting our

00:38:22.180 fellow citizens it's 0.98

00:38:23.100 ridiculous so I want to 0.87

00:38:25.080 I want to contrast that 0.90

00:38:26.120 so I'd like to I'd like to

00:38:27.000 see at least a thousand

00:38:27.760 people there how do you

00:38:29.600 keep hopeful because I

00:38:31.080 think the one thing when

00:38:32.020 Justin Trudeau won in

00:38:33.020 2015 and was really

00:38:34.880 aggressively pursuing

00:38:36.200 increased gun control and

00:38:37.920 then got re-elected there

00:38:39.600 were a lot of gun owners I

00:38:40.940 think probably more than

00:38:42.280 than any group or at least

00:38:43.360 as much as some groups

00:38:44.420 that were saying this is

00:38:45.760 it like we're done and

00:38:46.880 then after the the Nova

00:38:47.860 Scotia attack when that's 0.98

00:38:49.200 used as political cover to

00:38:50.620 put forward a gun grab

00:38:52.460 through an order in

00:38:53.080 council I mean a march is

00:38:54.940 great I mean you need a

00:38:56.580 political change though do

00:38:57.720 you not you do the easiest

00:39:00.280 way to get to turn this

00:39:02.340 back is to get a conservative

00:39:05.140 majority elected but the

00:39:07.140 problem is is that I'm I

00:39:09.560 would say the second

00:39:10.240 generation of fire you

00:39:12.420 know active activists

00:39:13.460 right so back in the

00:39:14.620 90s all of this this stuff

00:39:16.900 happened before and it

00:39:18.100 will all happen again we

00:39:19.380 will fight the same fights

00:39:20.700 over and over and over

00:39:21.920 again so it's great to get

00:39:23.720 a conservative majority

00:39:24.780 that's what's needed for on

00:39:26.320 a number of levels right

00:39:27.220 even maybe even to save the

00:39:28.520 economy of the country

00:39:29.500 there's a number of

00:39:30.240 reasons but as far as as

00:39:32.680 gun control is concerned we

00:39:34.560 need that to turn back the

00:39:35.660 clock at least three months

00:39:37.200 right to before this

00:39:38.920 ridiculous gun ban and

00:39:40.140 maybe before bill c71 as

00:39:42.220 well but we're taking

00:39:44.220 legal action against the

00:39:45.460 government on

00:39:47.040 constitutional violations

00:39:48.720 and we're hoping that

00:39:50.160 maybe we don't have to

00:39:51.020 fight this fight every 20

00:39:52.480 30 years like it's

00:39:53.380 happening right now I want

00:39:54.820 to ask you about the name

00:39:55.760 of it integrity march and

00:39:57.200 and the the tagline of this

00:39:58.600 demanding integrity from

00:39:59.840 legislators why is that the

00:40:01.860 word that you align or

00:40:04.020 associate with this cause and

00:40:05.600 in this march well we named

00:40:07.880 it after our integrity tour

00:40:09.040 way back which was kind of a

00:40:10.860 political stunt during the

00:40:12.260 election to you know just

00:40:13.760 draw attention to the issue

00:40:15.020 but there's no integrity in

00:40:17.500 Ottawa and I'll give you an

00:40:19.340 example this is one of the

00:40:20.260 reasons why people like like

00:40:22.240 me why I'm so frustrated and

00:40:23.700 gun owners are frustrated is

00:40:25.260 bill blair tells canadians that

00:40:27.360 he's absolutely obsessed with

00:40:28.720 the safety of canadians and

00:40:29.820 he'll literally do anything to

00:40:31.320 ensure that canadians are safe

00:40:32.720 you know and that's an

00:40:33.840 interesting thing and if you

00:40:36.700 if you look at an election

00:40:38.280 promise that the liberals

00:40:39.260 made back in 2015 it was to

00:40:42.820 spend 350 some odd million

00:40:44.500 dollars on gang guns and

00:40:47.060 gangs right trying to get these

00:40:48.220 gang members off the street

00:40:49.300 well here we are five years

00:40:51.420 later and they have not even

00:40:53.360 spent they have not even

00:40:54.600 allocated that 350 million

00:40:57.720 dollars yet look what's

00:40:58.840 happening now he's they're

00:41:00.600 handing out tens of billions

00:41:01.900 in every direction every day

00:41:03.480 of the week and he's willing

00:41:05.520 to risk you know everything

00:41:08.020 everything that's associated

00:41:09.100 with a gun grab and the

00:41:10.100 billions that that's going to

00:41:11.040 cost so there's no

00:41:12.900 integrity he lies on a daily

00:41:14.880 basis to canadians canadians

00:41:16.560 need to expect more and I

00:41:18.020 don't know what it's going to

00:41:18.700 take for people to understand

00:41:19.660 that what is the actual

00:41:21.760 structure of the event going

00:41:23.400 to be I know it's a march but

00:41:24.940 it's a new event we don't have

00:41:26.340 previous years to look at I

00:41:27.840 know I'm going to be there

00:41:28.520 covering it but what can I

00:41:29.720 expect and what can those who

00:41:31.080 attend expect so as most

00:41:35.200 things that we do at the

00:41:36.060 CCFR we try to do them

00:41:37.240 differently and better not

00:41:38.480 always achieving that but

00:41:39.600 that's the goal so we are

00:41:42.260 not holding a rally where we

00:41:43.620 have a stage and people

00:41:44.820 listening you know to

00:41:46.240 speakers blabbering on for

00:41:48.360 three hours we just we just

00:41:50.580 didn't want to do that so the

00:41:52.940 whole event is probably going

00:41:53.980 to take an hour we're going

00:41:55.080 to meet on Parliament Hill we

00:41:56.140 have a pipe and drum band to

00:41:57.680 lead us we're going to have

00:41:59.160 signs we're going to have

00:42:00.320 PPE we're going to have

00:42:01.840 everything prepared for

00:42:03.120 everyone we're going to

00:42:04.320 march off the the Parliament

00:42:06.320 grounds down Wellington we're

00:42:08.160 going to take two lefts and

00:42:09.240 march all the way up Spark

00:42:10.400 Street to the tomb of the

00:42:11.640 unknown soldier take two

00:42:13.180 lefts and then end it back at

00:42:14.820 Parliament so start to finish

00:42:17.380 probably an hour and we're

00:42:19.560 just going to have we're doing

00:42:20.740 this partially for our own

00:42:22.020 reasons which are probably not

00:42:23.880 overt but we're going to we're

00:42:26.200 hoping to get a lot of

00:42:26.940 coverage we're hoping to unite

00:42:28.420 gun owners and we're hoping

00:42:29.840 that Canadians will see that

00:42:31.020 this is just we're regular

00:42:32.460 people and we don't deserve to

00:42:33.500 be treated like this we

00:42:34.340 haven't done anything to

00:42:35.460 deserve it now I know in the

00:42:37.540 in the US we've seen rallies

00:42:39.540 and marches where people are

00:42:41.160 actually armed for them and I

00:42:42.740 know we have a different

00:42:43.640 system as far as what's

00:42:45.540 allowed and what's not allowed

00:42:46.740 here but I just want to

00:42:47.940 because I know what the

00:42:48.880 criticisms are going to be to

00:42:49.960 this this is not a show off

00:42:51.480 your guns march this is a show

00:42:53.420 off who the gun owners of

00:42:54.460 Canada march are 100%

00:42:57.820 absolutely no firearms at

00:43:00.620 this event right it's a we

00:43:02.580 have a different culture

00:43:03.380 here and you know it's just

00:43:06.660 yeah it's not the same at

00:43:07.760 all and and you know I

00:43:08.880 appreciate you bringing that

00:43:09.880 to my attention because even

00:43:11.020 in the video that I did even

00:43:12.400 some of the commentary that

00:43:13.340 I've done so far people are

00:43:14.640 like well no guns right it's

00:43:15.820 like yeah absolutely no guns

00:43:17.140 that's not what we want here

00:43:19.180 we want we don't want to show

00:43:20.260 Canadians how angry and

00:43:21.800 potentially violent we are

00:43:23.360 because that plays directly

00:43:25.040 into the stereotype that the

00:43:27.080 mainstream media and the

00:43:28.000 government have been pumping

00:43:29.000 Canadians that don't know the

00:43:31.200 difference they've been

00:43:32.040 showing they've been telling

00:43:33.060 them oh these are

00:43:34.060 potentially violent people we

00:43:35.420 have to disarm them you know

00:43:37.120 they're a detriment to the

00:43:38.140 country nothing could be

00:43:39.140 further from the truth and we

00:43:40.300 don't want to play into that

00:43:41.060 stereotype so if you're going

00:43:42.480 to show up wear what you

00:43:43.420 wear at work you know I'll be

00:43:45.020 dressed like this you'll be

00:43:46.080 dressed like that somebody's a 0.51

00:43:47.940 you know a nurse wear your

00:43:49.120 scrubs if somebody's a lawyer

00:43:50.620 wear your suit you know just

00:43:52.340 try to represent who we are as

00:43:54.420 the different demographics that

00:43:55.880 occur in Canada you

00:43:57.640 mentioned a PPE earlier and I

00:43:59.540 have to ask about this I mean

00:44:01.020 at the risk of getting too

00:44:02.540 off track here we know that

00:44:03.680 the government has

00:44:04.300 acknowledged that protests do

00:44:05.620 not spread the virus so in

00:44:06.960 that case you're you're

00:44:08.220 covered but there is going to

00:44:09.800 be a challenge more than you

00:44:11.920 might have at another point in

00:44:13.260 time of people traveling

00:44:14.680 people wanting to

00:44:15.760 congregate how are you

00:44:17.420 factoring that into the

00:44:18.400 planning so we are we're

00:44:21.660 providing PPE for everybody

00:44:23.460 you know the whole mask issue

00:44:24.980 is has gotten pretty

00:44:25.920 controversial and as as

00:44:28.100 everything does right and it

00:44:29.360 seems like everything is

00:44:30.420 really polarizing in our

00:44:31.480 society in the last 10 years

00:44:32.780 and getting worse by the day

00:44:33.860 so what we're saying to to our

00:44:36.280 marchers is bring a mask we

00:44:40.600 will have hand sanitizer there

00:44:41.980 we'll have a thousand masks in

00:44:43.660 case someone forgets it it's

00:44:45.500 not if you wear a mask it's not a

00:44:47.460 show of submission it's just it's

00:44:49.680 just a show of um of uh of

00:44:53.080 consideration you're just being

00:44:55.140 considerate to your fellow

00:44:55.940 marchers throw the mask on for

00:44:57.620 an hour if you want to protest

00:44:59.120 with masks off after you know do

00:45:01.060 your do your own thing but we

00:45:03.040 just want to take all

00:45:03.720 precautions for the safety of

00:45:05.300 our community and uh and the

00:45:07.160 kind of that's the way that

00:45:07.900 we're approaching it what would

00:45:09.920 you like to see come of this I

00:45:11.660 know earlier you mentioned

00:45:12.920 having some media attention and

00:45:14.480 exposure and and show that this

00:45:16.060 group is here but I mean in

00:45:17.640 your ideal world is this the

00:45:19.200 kind of thing that you do year

00:45:20.340 after year do you think it's

00:45:21.460 important to have that that

00:45:22.820 single flash of we're here at

00:45:24.800 this point we won't have any

00:45:27.160 guns in a year so that's the

00:45:30.060 liberals this is not you know

00:45:31.620 it's funny because some aspects

00:45:33.040 of our community are like well

00:45:34.880 they're not taking my lever

00:45:35.940 action or they're not taking my

00:45:37.060 pump action and they couldn't be

00:45:38.960 more wrong because if you look at

00:45:40.640 Australia it started with hand

00:45:42.420 guns nobody cared because they

00:45:43.960 didn't shoot handguns you know

00:45:45.480 next we're semi-autos well I

00:45:47.460 don't care because I don't need

00:45:48.260 a gun like that nobody needs a

00:45:49.900 gun like that but then they

00:45:51.700 came for the lever actions and

00:45:53.080 the pump actions and now you

00:45:54.380 know then everybody's screaming

00:45:56.060 blue murder this isn't this isn't

00:45:58.920 it and the people that believe

00:46:00.580 that stuff how confident are you

00:46:03.160 that the liberals are going to

00:46:04.340 stop just before they get to the

00:46:06.520 guns that you own like what

00:46:08.540 what indicates at all to you that

00:46:10.160 that it's not going to go all the

00:46:11.420 way when they have the chance so

00:46:13.440 this is in my mind this is a

00:46:15.400 one-time event we need this event

00:46:17.880 for other reasons for our own

00:46:20.520 projects which will you know I

00:46:23.160 can't give any details right now

00:46:25.160 but this is a one-time event as far

00:46:27.200 as we're concerned it's not a

00:46:28.120 yearly thing but but we need to

00:46:30.020 happen and we need people if

00:46:31.120 they're available to come I'm glad

00:46:32.840 you mentioned that idea of where

00:46:34.400 the line stops because I did a

00:46:36.320 video a little while ago called in

00:46:38.160 defense of the AR-15 and I talked

00:46:40.040 about I mean a lot of the issues

00:46:41.500 that you and I are very familiar

00:46:42.880 with you know about how similar it

00:46:44.400 is to other guns that that are or

00:46:46.300 were non-restricted and I don't

00:46:47.900 want to rehash that but I would

00:46:49.300 encourage people to look it up but I

00:46:51.100 was actually surprised and quite

00:46:53.320 taken aback at an amount of negative

00:46:56.160 pushback I got from gun owners who

00:46:59.220 and I'm sure you see this as well I'm

00:47:00.880 a gun owner but or I support gun

00:47:02.980 ownership but they they they draw a

00:47:05.920 line there and and they assume that

00:47:07.760 you're right that that's kind of the

00:47:09.060 the unanimous line that everyone

00:47:10.600 will respect and and even if you are

00:47:13.480 not a fan of the AR-15 to not

00:47:15.440 realize that there is an incremental

00:47:17.480 force against gun ownership I think

00:47:20.160 you're out to lunch quite frankly

00:47:21.380 you you are and that's I agree

00:47:24.860 entirely and and we see that in our

00:47:26.780 community and we've done a lot of

00:47:28.680 work at the at the CCFR to try to

00:47:30.860 unite gun owners right we've taken we

00:47:32.940 have television shows on both outdoor

00:47:35.120 networks we sponsor commercials to let

00:47:37.540 people know hey you know you think

00:47:39.120 you're going to stop they're not going

00:47:40.180 to stop look at everywhere else that

00:47:42.040 there's been a massive gun grab it

00:47:43.420 just keeps going because they're

00:47:45.300 always after the next more most

00:47:47.420 dangerous gun so if the air rid of

00:47:49.420 semi-autos of them now they're after

00:47:51.640 rapid fire now if you notice bill

00:47:53.160 blair has changed his language after

00:47:55.420 the gun ban he changed it to firearms

00:47:58.100 capable of sustained fire sustained

00:48:00.480 rapid fire and so it's not it's not

00:48:03.040 military-style assault weapons anymore

00:48:04.800 it's capable of this and and even if

00:48:08.200 you look at what the the the rules that

00:48:10.940 came out in the gun ban anyway they're

00:48:13.000 measuring the lethality of firearms

00:48:14.740 based on jewels muzzle energy and now

00:48:17.340 that took a whole bunch of hunting

00:48:18.520 rifles out well they can keep lowering

00:48:20.040 that number and then they can keep

00:48:21.820 looking at sustained rapid fire and

00:48:24.220 next thing you know you're facing it and

00:48:26.160 you know it's it's um it does the lack

00:48:29.340 of support internally from our community

00:48:31.540 does get old after a while and it's very

00:48:33.580 frustrating and i've always and every

00:48:36.020 time it's been brought up i tell hunters

00:48:38.080 or whoever it is right and somebody that

00:48:40.020 shoots a break action that doesn't care

00:48:41.400 about anybody else's guns people like me

00:48:43.800 that work 16 hours a day for years on end

00:48:47.260 and tracy wilson and all of our volunteers

00:48:49.160 and organizations like the the ccfr when

00:48:52.100 all of our guns are gone i'm long gone i'm

00:48:54.800 way overdue to to move on to back to my

00:48:57.400 career and business development as it is and

00:49:00.060 you're going to fight this by yourself

00:49:01.760 you're going to be standing there with

00:49:02.860 your gun fighting it by yourself with no

00:49:04.840 resources like the ccfr get involved now

00:49:07.920 stand up for your fellow canadians those

00:49:10.560 our guns are no different than any other

00:49:12.260 gun we haven't done any more crime than

00:49:14.260 any anyone else has done with any other

00:49:16.260 firearm if you ask the police the majority

00:49:18.340 of hostage takings and domestic violence

00:49:20.840 are our old hunters with their bolt actions

00:49:23.660 but i'm not you know distancing myself from

00:49:26.180 them right so get involved quit the nonsense

00:49:29.400 and uh and support organizations like ours

00:49:32.180 and marches like the one we're going to

00:49:33.500 have in september yeah if you think the

00:49:34.960 same people that want the ar-15 gone 0.99

00:49:37.620 don't also want you know your grandpa's

00:49:39.500 single action revolver gone you're uh you're

00:49:41.860 sorely mistaken well september 12th is the

00:49:44.180 rally no not the rally the march the

00:49:46.000 integrity march that's right on parliament

00:49:48.000 hill i have booked my flight i'll be there

00:49:50.240 and i'm glad you're doing it and i'm very

00:49:51.760 much looking forward to it rod giltaka

00:49:53.440 joining me on the line the ceo and

00:49:56.140 executive director of the canadian coalition

00:49:58.220 for firearm rights thank you very much to

00:50:00.540 you and to your colleague

00:50:01.760 tracy for putting this together and thanks

00:50:04.180 rod for coming out today

00:50:05.200 thanks andrew and that is again september 12th

00:50:09.260 the details you can find online at

00:50:11.620 firearmrights.ca

00:50:14.060 firearmrights.ca that's ccfr's website

00:50:16.580 and i am in the interest of disclosure a

00:50:19.180 member of the ccfr i have no leadership role

00:50:21.580 i've just paid my dues but i'm also a member

00:50:24.120 of other gun groups as well because i feel

00:50:25.940 it is important to support this and and

00:50:28.120 there was something very compelling and

00:50:29.820 actually quite saddening about rod's line

00:50:32.760 that you know in a year there are no more

00:50:34.080 guns that is the goal that the left in

00:50:36.380 canada right now is pursuing so important

00:50:38.940 to take a stand and say hey we're here we're

00:50:40.900 not going anywhere we have to wrap things

00:50:43.160 up i guess i'm going somewhere right now

00:50:44.620 but i'll be back in a couple of days with

00:50:46.500 more of the andrew lawton show my thanks to

00:50:48.420 rod and all who tuned into today's program

00:50:50.340 and all of you who are hopefully going to

00:50:53.020 tune into next episode who knows what

00:50:54.920 we're going to be talking about but we'll

00:50:56.380 be back in two days this is canada's most

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Juno News - August 10, 2020

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