Juno News - Legacy media got the Conservative debate all wrong

00:00:00.000 The gloves came off at the first conservative debate last Thursday.

00:00:03.540 The legacy media and the Laurentian elites, they cried foul and they clutched their pearls.

00:00:07.440 I'll give you an inside scoop on what really happened.

00:00:09.820 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:23.120 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the program and thank you to everyone

00:00:26.820 who came out to Ottawa for the Canada Strong and Free conference over the weekend.

00:00:31.460 I had the great pleasure of moderating the first conservative debate which happened on Thursday night

00:00:36.340 and we're going to spend the whole show going through the debate,

00:00:39.080 talking about the highlights and the lowlights and then of course responding to the over-the-top media reaction to it.

00:00:45.180 But first I just wanted to say to everyone who was at the event,

00:00:47.800 we had so many people coming up to us at the True North booth.

00:00:50.900 We had myself and Andrew were both filming content live from the floor of the convention.

00:00:55.560 It was so great. There was so much energy.

00:00:57.640 It was wonderful just to be around sort of conservative activists, political activists and just people.

00:01:02.880 It's been a long time since we were able to gather together in person.

00:01:06.560 For us at True North, we had so much, just overwhelming response from the audience.

00:01:11.720 People saying that they watch our podcast, that they enjoy our news, that they love our website,

00:01:15.340 that they follow us on social media.

00:01:16.480 And it was really just great to connect with the people who watch our shows, who consume our content.

00:01:22.800 Really great to meet so many different people from all over the country, so many different walks of life,

00:01:27.120 so many people that frankly you don't necessarily expect to be consumers of independent media or conservative media

00:01:32.620 just because of their profession, where they're from.

00:01:35.160 But there was really, truly a diverse group of people who we met.

00:01:40.980 And for me personally, not just at the convention, I was just walking around the streets in Ottawa,

00:01:46.000 going through my hotel, and I would get stopped and recognized by people who appreciated our content

00:01:50.380 when it came to the Trucker Convoy, telling the other side of the story.

00:01:53.300 I had one young gentleman who is from Quebec, and he said that ever since the Freedom Convoy,

00:01:57.920 he hasn't been able to trust the CBC, he hasn't watched the CBC at all,

00:02:01.020 and that he exclusively gets his news from True North.

00:02:03.820 So it's wonderful to hear, and it's great to know that our organization is growing,

00:02:08.620 that we're reaching more and more Canadians, and that we're really having an impact.

00:02:11.260 So thank you so much again to everyone out there who is watching the show, sharing the podcast,

00:02:15.780 sharing the program, helping to promote the work that we do here at True North.

00:02:19.100 We really, really appreciate it.

00:02:20.300 It's really exciting to be sort of on the front lines of this cultural battle,

00:02:23.940 pushing back against the legacy media, and frankly, again,

00:02:28.120 just being invited to host and moderate this debate.

00:02:31.420 Of course, it was the first opportunity for the conservative candidates to get on stage together.

00:02:36.300 There's sort of been a lot of war of words and fighting between the various candidates, amongst the candidates,

00:02:41.620 and this was a first chance to have them all on the stage together,

00:02:44.940 and it was really fun to put that together.

00:02:46.960 So I co-moderated the debate alongside Jamil Giovanni.

00:02:50.200 Jamil is a lawyer and a writer, and he is the incoming president of that organization,

00:02:54.460 Canada Strong and Free.

00:02:55.760 The organization used to be called the Manning Centre.

00:02:57.420 They've been putting on this huge conference in Ottawa every year for the last,

00:03:00.820 I don't know, maybe 14, 15 years,

00:03:02.600 and it really is a big gathering of sort of small C and big C conservatives,

00:03:07.660 and so Jamil is about to take over.

00:03:09.680 They had the two of us moderate it,

00:03:11.260 and we were given complete free range in terms of how we were organizing the debate,

00:03:16.140 the questions, the themes.

00:03:17.760 We got to basically draw it up from scratch,

00:03:21.100 and so my personal goal as moderate, I think I had three goals in putting together this debate

00:03:27.600 and how I wanted it organized.

00:03:29.180 First, I wanted to make sure that there was an open flow, an open exchange of ideas.

00:03:33.340 I really wanted the candidates to be able to talk to each other, have a debate,

00:03:37.660 put their ideas out, see the contrast, see where they stood,

00:03:40.620 see how they handled themselves in front of an audience, in front of this live audience.

00:03:45.380 I think there was 800 or 1,000 people in the room watching this thing live,

00:03:49.980 and so really, you know, you're putting them to the test in terms of their ability to articulate themselves,

00:03:54.280 their ability to defend themselves,

00:03:55.920 and their ability to connect to an audience, connect to Canadians.

00:03:58.880 So open exchange of ideas.

00:04:00.600 Second, of course, you know, it's television.

00:04:03.020 You want to make it entertaining.

00:04:04.300 You want to make sure it's fun.

00:04:05.360 It's good to watch.

00:04:06.060 It's not boring.

00:04:06.880 So many of these debates, especially in Canadian politics,

00:04:10.580 they're just so boring.

00:04:11.900 They basically just feature a bunch of people patting each other on the back,

00:04:14.180 rubbing each other's shoulders, and agreeing with each other.

00:04:16.460 We really wanted, again, to draw out the contrasts, make it entertaining,

00:04:20.620 make sure that there's some contrast so that you can see where the candidates stand on the various issues,

00:04:25.660 and, again, entertaining.

00:04:27.080 And then the other thing that I wanted to do personally

00:04:29.420 was to highlight the individual weaknesses or threats of each candidate

00:04:34.200 because one of the things that continues to happen on the conservative side of the aisle

00:04:37.900 is that we get these leaders, right?

00:04:40.100 We had Andrew Scheer after Harper, and then we had Aaron O'Toole,

00:04:42.840 and you got the feeling that they really hadn't been properly vetted by the time the election rolled around.

00:04:47.920 With Andrew Scheer, he was sort of presented as a moderate,

00:04:50.980 as a moderate young alternative sort of in Harper's footsteps,

00:04:54.940 and people didn't really know the extent of his conservative,

00:04:58.320 social conservative Christian views,

00:05:00.220 and he didn't really have a good answer and a good response to them.

00:05:03.520 He hadn't been tested.

00:05:04.400 He hadn't been pushed on that, and that became a weakness.

00:05:06.580 And I think that a lot of that had to do with the legacy media and the way that they demonized them,

00:05:10.600 the way that they sort of tore him apart and criticized him for his Christian values.

00:05:15.660 But he clearly hadn't had the opportunity to really defend those.

00:05:18.680 And I think that had he done that throughout the conservative leadership campaign back in 2017,

00:05:24.060 he might have been better prepared during the 2019 election.

00:05:27.480 And then we saw something similar happen with Aaron O'Toole,

00:05:30.560 where, as you recall, when he was running for leader, he ran as a true blue,

00:05:34.840 as a conservative, as a sort of more grassroots individual.

00:05:37.900 He was going to defund the CBC.

00:05:39.360 He was going to overturn Trudeau's gun ban.

00:05:41.880 He was going to bring in more options for a mixed health care system.

00:05:45.500 He had all of these platform pieces.

00:05:47.480 He was going to get rid of the carbon tax, and he was opposed to carbon tax.

00:05:50.400 And then, of course, when he was running for leader of the country

00:05:52.960 in the general election, he had a totally different worldview.

00:05:55.860 He was like a different candidate.

00:05:57.400 He flip-flopped, in my view, in an unethical way.

00:06:01.160 And, again, that was exposed because he didn't face enough pressure and criticism

00:06:05.380 during the time where he was running for leader.

00:06:08.400 So my goal as moderator was to highlight the individual weaknesses of each candidate

00:06:13.900 to see how they would respond.

00:06:16.060 And that was why there was one point in the debate where myself and Jamil,

00:06:19.320 we asked each candidate a really tough question,

00:06:21.620 a tough, personal, individualized question

00:06:24.000 that we thought was something that was their weakness or Achilles' heel

00:06:27.220 that would play out throughout the course of the election.

00:06:29.860 And so we asked Pierre about whether his support for the trucker convoy

00:06:33.760 was going to be a liability.

00:06:34.960 We asked Leslyn Lewis to defend her views on abortion and gay marriage

00:06:40.300 and how she would handle that in an election.

00:06:42.520 Roman Babber, who is an independent Ontario MPP,

00:06:46.000 he was very opposed to the COVID policies and COVID lockdowns.

00:06:48.820 He actually left Doug Ford's Progressive Conservative Caucus in Ontario

00:06:52.960 because he was so morally and just opposed.

00:06:55.940 He was completely opposed on a policy level, on a moral level,

00:06:58.820 to Doug Ford's lockdowns and his measures against COVID.

00:07:02.460 So we asked him, you know, how would Canadians trust you to become prime minister

00:07:07.040 and how would you handle the next public health crisis?

00:07:09.680 For Jean Charest, he was a former Liberal Premier of Quebec

00:07:12.980 and there's a lot of murmuring and criticism in the party

00:07:15.800 that he isn't really conservative,

00:07:17.480 that he's just kind of coming in as a sort of blue Liberal or a red Tory

00:07:22.360 to try to take the party in a new direction.

00:07:25.480 So the question to him was, you know, are you really conservative

00:07:28.380 and how would you keep this party together?

00:07:30.360 And then Scott Aitchison, who is an Ontario MP,

00:07:34.240 he sort of fits the same model as Aaron O'Toole just

00:07:37.200 in that he's a sort of quintessential Ontario moderate.

00:07:39.900 So we asked him how he would expect to have any different result

00:07:44.540 than what Aaron O'Toole just had

00:07:46.140 because we just had an Ontario moderate

00:07:48.640 and the Conservatives didn't win.

00:07:50.840 So how would he expect to do anything?

00:07:52.180 So that was sort of the rationale behind the way that we set up the debate

00:07:56.500 and what we were trying to get out of it.

00:07:59.040 And I just want to say I was really happy with it.

00:08:01.280 I thought the debate was fun.

00:08:02.400 I thought it was lively.

00:08:03.400 I thought it was entertaining.

00:08:04.540 There was some really great moments in the debate

00:08:07.260 and we put together a little montage here

00:08:10.020 of some of my own personal favorite moments of the debate.

00:08:13.860 Again, moments where the candidates were able to contrast their views

00:08:18.940 with one of the other candidates on the stage,

00:08:22.100 an opportunity for them to really kind of expose

00:08:24.780 what they think the weaknesses of their fellow candidates are.

00:08:27.220 And again, that's so important in a leadership debate

00:08:30.260 and a leadership review because you're trying to determine,

00:08:33.740 you know, these things are all going to come out, right?

00:08:35.820 They're all going to come out in the media.

00:08:37.240 They're all going to come up by the Liberals in the next election.

00:08:39.200 We might as well deal with it all now, get it all out on the table,

00:08:42.400 find out exactly where all the various candidates stand.

00:08:45.680 And that is the point.

00:08:47.120 That is the purpose of a debate.

00:08:48.520 And I think that that was what was accomplished here.

00:08:50.700 So here is a quick montage of some of our favorite moments

00:08:53.700 from Thursday night's debate.

00:08:55.360 I think that in 2020, Canadians were not concerned about the barbaric snitch line.

00:09:00.020 What they were concerned about is the snitch line on your neighbor

00:09:02.740 if they had a friend over, or a snitch line about a church

00:09:06.140 if they wanted to congregate.

00:09:09.100 That is un-Canadian. 0.91

00:09:10.380 I come from the former Soviet Union.

00:09:12.260 I know what democracy is all about,

00:09:15.500 and I know how precious our democracy is.

00:09:17.580 And the fact that the conservative movement failed to stand up for democracy

00:09:20.740 is something that is going to remain with us for a generation.

00:09:24.440 It's among the loudest voices in Parliament.

00:09:25.820 You were not one of the loudest voices, Mr. Pauly.

00:09:28.480 You were not one of the loudest voices.

00:09:30.580 In fact, you did not speak up until it was convenient for you to speak up.

00:09:33.120 Actually, that is not true, Madam Lewis.

00:09:34.800 You did not even go to the trucker protest.

00:09:38.360 You actually went and you took a picture in your neighborhood at a local stop.

00:09:43.400 You did not speak up for the truckers,

00:09:46.440 and you did not speak up the loudest, Mr. Pauly.

00:09:48.400 Now, Mr. Sherey learned about the trucker convoy on CBC,

00:09:52.060 like other liberals, and he misrepresented them.

00:09:57.840 He believes that I should be censored.

00:10:00.100 He believes I should be cancelled from this leadership race

00:10:02.700 and disqualified, in his words,

00:10:04.720 because I don't share his liberal viewpoint.

00:10:07.140 That is the kind of cancel culture and censorship

00:10:09.860 you would expect from Justin Trudeau,

00:10:11.900 but instead we're getting it from this liberal on this stage.

00:10:14.720 You know, this whole situation with the vaccine mandates,

00:10:17.540 the trucker's convoy, it never should have happened in the first place.

00:10:19.800 Leadership would have engaged people.

00:10:21.840 It should never have happened in the first place.

00:10:23.280 And the fact of the matter is this.

00:10:25.220 Justin Trudeau used vaccines and vaccine status

00:10:28.940 to divide Canadians in a corrosive, disgusting political display to win votes.

00:10:33.620 And what we cannot do,

00:10:35.080 what we cannot do as a party

00:10:37.920 is continue with the divisive, polarizing rhetoric

00:10:41.240 that Justin Trudeau has been using for seven years. 0.97

00:10:43.700 It's disgusting.

00:10:44.380 It's ripping our country apart.

00:10:45.440 It's why I'm running.

00:10:46.940 Mr. Charest, how much money did you get from Huawei

00:10:50.160 when you were working for them,

00:10:51.480 either directly or indirectly?

00:10:52.840 Just the number, please.

00:10:53.720 How much?

00:10:56.600 Just the number.

00:10:57.860 I agree with Scott.

00:10:59.320 This mess that we witnessed is the fault of Mr. Trudeau.

00:11:02.520 But Mr. Paliyev, during that period,

00:11:05.320 supported an illegal blockade.

00:11:07.600 You cannot make laws and break laws

00:11:10.300 and then say I will make laws for other people.

00:11:13.520 I'm sorry, but that is a question of basic foundation

00:11:17.620 and principles of training in my life.

00:11:19.860 What do you say to the large number of Conservatives

00:11:22.340 and Canadians who simply don't want to have a debate about abortion?

00:11:27.520 I think it's very important that in a free and democratic society,

00:11:31.280 we are free to debate any issue.

00:11:33.720 And I tell people I am pro-life.

00:11:37.140 Many of my friends are pro-choice.

00:11:39.500 And we have healthy discussions about the future.

00:11:42.920 And there is so much that we agree on.

00:11:46.440 And we need to come together as a society

00:11:48.840 to determine that we can work out things,

00:11:52.680 even controversial things like abortion.

00:11:55.260 I still don't know where these gentlemen stand on this issue.

00:11:59.980 I don't know whether they're pro-life or pro-choice.

00:12:02.300 And the media will hound them.

00:12:05.240 For example, Mr. Pierre Polyev has ran from the media the last few days

00:12:09.740 because he doesn't want to declare whether he's pro-life or pro-choice.

00:12:14.100 So I'm wondering if you can set the record straight.

00:12:16.460 Are you a Conservative?

00:12:18.540 Thank you very much.

00:12:20.220 And Roman, thank you for your comments.

00:12:23.320 And Leslyn, I have a deep respect for the position that you hold

00:12:27.540 on the issue of abortion.

00:12:29.260 And I want to say a word about social Conservatives tonight.

00:12:32.540 Because we may not agree on all issues,

00:12:35.280 but who are the people who call themselves social Conservatives?

00:12:38.880 And I'm not a hyphenated Conservative.

00:12:41.260 But who are they, if not people, who have a faith-based life,

00:12:45.720 believe in their families and their communities?

00:12:48.960 Sounds like pretty good people to me.

00:12:51.540 And they are part of our family.

00:12:53.260 And they will always be part of our family.

00:12:55.100 And they need to be respected.

00:12:56.600 CBC News is no longer news.

00:12:59.440 It's a communications arm for Justin Trudeau.

00:13:02.760 How can media objectively cover the government

00:13:06.520 when the government signs their paycheck?

00:13:09.100 It's utterly impossible.

00:13:10.880 You know, I was born in the Soviet Union.

00:13:12.620 It was a newspaper called Pravda.

00:13:14.880 And Pravda means truth.

00:13:16.500 And I see no difference between what we're seeing in state-run funding.

00:13:21.260 So here's what I'm going to do.

00:13:22.480 I'm going to defund the CBC.

00:13:24.940 I'm going to end all subsidies and bailouts.

00:13:28.320 But I'm going to go a step further.

00:13:30.080 I'm going to end the advertising relationship

00:13:34.040 that government has with media.

00:13:35.860 Okay, so those were some of the very best moments of the night.

00:13:39.240 Some of the best moments of the debate.

00:13:40.980 Now I want to talk about the absolute worst part of the debate.

00:13:43.720 The worst moments,

00:13:44.700 which of course were the legacy media's reaction to it.

00:13:48.120 Lots of liberals, lots of people on the left,

00:13:50.120 clutching their pearls, feigning outrage.

00:13:52.440 Even some conservatives throwing fellow conservatives under the bus

00:13:55.620 because they just didn't like the lack of respect.

00:13:59.420 The fact that people were actually debating ideas

00:14:01.040 that was just unconscionable to so many.

00:14:03.100 So first I want to discuss Roman Baber.

00:14:05.860 I mean, he really did have the support of a lot of people in the room.

00:14:08.760 He had some great lines.

00:14:10.140 And this was a great line when he said that the CBC was like Pravda.

00:14:14.500 Well, apparently that didn't sit well with David Aitken over at Global News,

00:14:18.240 member of the Parliamentary Press Gallery.

00:14:20.360 He feels that he is the arbiter of truth

00:14:24.440 and that he is in the position to fact-check the candidates

00:14:28.440 and say whether they're right or wrong.

00:14:29.820 And so straight news reporter David Aitken says this,

00:14:34.120 Oh, good Lord, Roman Baber. 0.58

00:14:35.540 The CBC equals Pravda?

00:14:37.400 No.

00:14:38.120 No, it doesn't.

00:14:39.640 Okay.

00:14:40.120 So here we have this state-funded media organization.

00:14:43.380 Every time there's an election,

00:14:44.580 Justin Trudeau promises more money to them.

00:14:46.780 And in return, they give Justin Trudeau perfectly glowing coverage.

00:14:50.480 They never dwell on his scandals.

00:14:52.000 They don't ask him tough questions.

00:14:53.460 They forgive him for everything.

00:14:55.060 And they're incredibly hard on his opposition.

00:14:57.340 But no, no, no, that's nothing like a propaganda news agency, according to David Aitken.

00:15:04.020 Well, Andrew Scheer, the former leader of the Conservative Party, punches right back and says this,

00:15:09.320 You're right, Pravda never pretended to be independent.

00:15:13.280 So Andrew Scheer, unrestrained there on social media, pushing back against the legacy media.

00:15:19.100 It is just so amusing how defensive the media get over this claim, over conservatives complaining about the way that the CBC operates,

00:15:28.100 the coverage that they get, because it's obviously propaganda.

00:15:30.260 It is obviously incredibly biased.

00:15:32.200 Everybody knows that.

00:15:33.220 It's an open secret in this country.

00:15:35.480 Hence my experiences in Ottawa, people bumping into me saying that they don't watch the CBC anymore.

00:15:39.700 Not conservative activists, just regular people saying that.

00:15:43.300 And the media just can't get over it.

00:15:45.000 They can't come to terms with the fact that they have lost so much credibility in the eyes of mainstream Canadians and the Canadian public,

00:15:52.680 that they're just grasping for straws.

00:15:54.560 And Twitter gives us sort of a real-time stream of consciousness of how they react to that.

00:15:59.780 It is pretty amusing, if I do say so myself.

00:16:02.740 And now what else was amusing was hearing the same brain trust in the media, the elites, the Laurentian elites, liberals, and the left in the media,

00:16:10.220 talking about who won the debate.

00:16:12.080 Well, many of them said that it wasn't any of the individuals who were actually debating on the stage.

00:16:16.360 The people who did say that there was a winner, a lot of them went with Scott Aitchison,

00:16:19.960 which is interesting because a lot of people in the room thought that he was sort of on the underwhelming side.

00:16:24.260 A lot of liberal observers said that Scott Aitchison won.

00:16:26.340 But someone is so far as to say that Patrick Brown, Patrick Brown, the only individual who didn't bother showing up to the debate,

00:16:33.360 that he, in fact, won the debate.

00:16:35.400 Yes, that is right.

00:16:36.740 People on the left, liberals and journalists, were saying that Patrick Brown won for not attending.

00:16:41.820 So here is NDP strategist Brian Topp saying just that.

00:16:46.080 Conservatives hope that nobody watched the debate.

00:16:48.520 Takes aim at Polyev and applauds Patrick Brown for not attending.

00:16:52.700 Peter McKay, likewise, who is a red Tory in the Conservative Party.

00:16:56.700 He ran for leader last time and lost, and he didn't bother to run.

00:17:01.000 Again, this time he didn't bother to run as an MP after he lost.

00:17:04.300 He said this, when you see some of the nasty exchanges, I don't think it bodes well.

00:17:08.500 It's off-putting.

00:17:09.420 Again, these sort of red Tories would rather us just never talk about the issues that matter.

00:17:13.500 They would rather us never talk about the areas where we disagree,

00:17:16.780 to just sort of pretend that we all agree about everything and not talk about the issues

00:17:20.800 so that, what, it comes across as more gentlemanly.

00:17:24.900 I think this is a very wrong and outdated view of politics.

00:17:29.680 Likewise, Brian Lilly over at the Toronto Sun said that the Conservative leadership debate

00:17:33.740 was a poor performance.

00:17:35.080 He said it was angry, confrontational, and at times bitter,

00:17:38.800 are some of the ways you could describe the performances.

00:17:40.800 It wasn't the fault of the organizers.

00:17:42.100 The candidates strong and free network.

00:17:43.120 From putting together a debate that allowed for a free exchange of ideas,

00:17:46.260 the problem is what the candidates were saying.

00:17:48.760 It's hard to say if anyone won, though I would say that Polyev and Lewis both lost.

00:17:54.420 And then he said the next debate is May 11th in Edmonton,

00:17:57.920 and he hopes for some better performances then.

00:18:00.600 Again, I don't quite understand, I don't agree with Brian Lilly here,

00:18:03.320 because when he says better performances, does he just mean like more agreement,

00:18:07.040 more gentlemanliness?

00:18:08.220 Like, I think the idea of a debate is to debate ideas.

00:18:11.740 You want to see the candidates pushing back, calling each other out,

00:18:16.460 saying the weaknesses of the other candidate, not just getting up there and saying,

00:18:21.000 you know, the Conservatives are so great, the Conservatives, we all agree.

00:18:24.460 It's like, no, Conservatism is a big tent.

00:18:27.100 There's lots of different directions the party can go in,

00:18:29.300 depending on who wins and who's leader.

00:18:31.400 And we want to be able to judge that.

00:18:33.420 So I don't understand this take, and I don't think that you,

00:18:37.460 I don't think a boring debate is a better debate.

00:18:39.700 I think a boring debate is a worse debate.

00:18:41.900 Likewise, this website, toronto.com, says,

00:18:45.320 I rule generating political theatre.

00:18:48.180 Patrick Brown explains his decision to skip the Conservative debate.

00:18:51.560 So he's quoted as saying this,

00:18:53.540 instead of participating in yesterday's I rule generating political theatre,

00:18:58.000 I was on the ground in Atlantic Canada.

00:19:00.680 The support I've already received from my campaign in Atlantic Canada

00:19:03.620 has been amazing.

00:19:04.860 I was working all week building the Pardia in areas my opponents have very little connectivity.

00:19:11.020 So Patrick Brown patting himself on the back and applauding himself

00:19:14.020 for being too afraid to come to the debate,

00:19:17.100 not wanting to participate in that exchange of ideas,

00:19:20.140 not wanting to be called out by his fellow candidates

00:19:22.680 for, you know, the very, very many flaws that he has.

00:19:27.020 And instead he's going to, my guess, his very small rooms out in the Maritimes,

00:19:31.940 talking to small groups of people.

00:19:35.380 Patrick Brown was not the winner of the debate.

00:19:37.360 I think it looks very childish and very mature and very, frankly, scared

00:19:41.500 that he didn't, that he didn't come

00:19:43.460 because he didn't want to have to defend his record,

00:19:46.140 which I wouldn't want to have to defend his record either.

00:19:49.880 Next from the Globe and Mail, we have Campbell Clark,

00:19:52.140 who writes that the Conservative leadership debate

00:19:54.180 was more about who supported the trucker convoys.

00:19:57.000 Apparently it's very controversial in the Liberal media world.

00:20:01.340 That we were talking about the trucker convoy said,

00:20:06.700 there were the traditional red meat conservative issues,

00:20:08.560 talking from pipelines to defunding the CBC,

00:20:12.820 had the debate organized by the conservative organization,

00:20:15.400 Canada's Strong and Free.

00:20:16.680 But in the first leadership campaign debate,

00:20:19.040 candidates seemed to position themselves notably around a newer question.

00:20:22.640 What were you doing during the trucker convoy?

00:20:25.380 That's a correct take.

00:20:26.600 I don't like the underlying sort of sneering

00:20:29.320 that this is like something awful that conservatives shouldn't be talking about.

00:20:32.920 Again, one of my favorite parts of the debate

00:20:34.400 was when Roman Babber called out the federal conservative party

00:20:38.720 for not doing enough to oppose the restrictions

00:20:41.540 that came down during COVID,

00:20:42.840 talking about all of the horrible consequences,

00:20:45.640 be it in our healthcare system, in our schools, to young people,

00:20:48.640 all of just the terrible impacts

00:20:50.140 of these heavy-handed pandemic and lockdowns.

00:20:53.740 And then you saw Lesley Lewis jump in

00:20:56.480 and push back against Pierre,

00:20:58.180 saying that he didn't really support the truckers,

00:20:59.700 that he was filming videos from his backyard or something like that.

00:21:03.160 And I think that's like a really interesting nuanced position

00:21:05.700 because in the media,

00:21:07.160 they just paint Pierre as this big supporter of the truckers,

00:21:10.220 and yet to many conservatives, he wasn't doing enough.

00:21:12.880 And so you saw the sort of dichotomy

00:21:15.120 that you wouldn't see in the legacy media.

00:21:17.260 I think that was great that that was put out there.

00:21:19.960 And again, the fact that the media is like shaking their head

00:21:22.780 and looking down their noses at the conservative party for this

00:21:25.840 shows just how out of touch the media is

00:21:28.740 with the issues that Canadians care about.

00:21:30.820 Next, we had Susan Delacorte over at the Toronto Star saying,

00:21:34.000 progressives like Jean Charest are the new fringe

00:21:36.220 in today's angry conservative party.

00:21:38.220 I won't even bother going through some of her lines

00:21:40.920 because it's just, obviously she hates conservatives.

00:21:44.040 So I don't know why she bothers to come to conservative events, 0.99

00:21:46.560 come to conservative debates,

00:21:47.700 just to write pieces about how much she hates conservatives. 0.66

00:21:50.880 It's like, okay, we know that.

00:21:53.000 We already know that.

00:21:54.380 Next, Catherine McKenna,

00:21:55.440 who is a former liberal cabinet minister.

00:21:58.020 On Twitter, she writes this.

00:22:00.260 Apparently, there was a conservative leadership debate

00:22:02.880 where candidates spent their time fighting over

00:22:05.300 who most supported illegal blockades,

00:22:07.920 conspiracies, and opposed vaccine mandates and the media

00:22:11.440 while avoiding climate change, Canada, U.S.,

00:22:14.720 Ukraine, economy, and healthcare.

00:22:16.920 Good luck with that.

00:22:17.760 So Catherine McKenna, first of all,

00:22:18.780 she apparently didn't watch,

00:22:20.280 she's admitting that she didn't watch the debate

00:22:22.120 because she said apparently there was a leadership debate,

00:22:24.400 which implies that she herself didn't watch it.

00:22:26.820 And then she goes on to say that she knows

00:22:29.780 exactly what the content was

00:22:31.100 and what topics were and were not covered.

00:22:32.780 First of all, there was nothing illegal

00:22:35.020 about the protest in Ottawa.

00:22:37.300 And when you talk about the truckers,

00:22:39.400 typically you're not talking about the handful of people

00:22:42.080 who blocked a border for a couple of days.

00:22:44.900 You're talking about the thousands of people

00:22:46.300 who were in Ottawa and Permanent Hill

00:22:48.020 who weren't doing nothing illegally.

00:22:50.120 The only talk about conspiracies

00:22:51.620 was sort of an interesting debate exchange

00:22:55.140 that happened later in the debate

00:22:56.480 between Lesley Lewis and Aitchison

00:22:58.720 where they were kind of dancing around the issue

00:23:00.220 of whether or not there were conspiracies

00:23:02.380 floating around the Conservative Party.

00:23:04.220 And then, yes, opposing vaccine mandates

00:23:06.120 because they were horrible and ineffective for our country.

00:23:10.100 And then she claims that we didn't talk about climate change,

00:23:13.300 Canada, U.S., Ukraine, economy, or healthcare.

00:23:15.760 Well, that's completely false

00:23:16.780 because we talked about every single one of those issues.

00:23:19.620 We talked about climate.

00:23:20.740 One of the questions that we had was

00:23:21.960 how are you going to deal with Quebec 1.00

00:23:23.560 and their opposition to oil and gas

00:23:25.880 when so many people now want to export oil and gas

00:23:30.060 in the context of Ukraine.

00:23:31.360 We talked about Ukraine because of how it exposed

00:23:34.260 the need for Canadians to export our oil and gas.

00:23:37.720 We talked about Canada-U.S. relations.

00:23:39.340 We talked about the economy.

00:23:40.220 We had a specific question about healthcare.

00:23:42.420 So, Catherine McKenna, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:23:44.580 You didn't watch the debate.

00:23:45.380 We talked about all those issues.

00:23:47.040 But go ahead and VirtuSignal on Twitter over there

00:23:50.260 when you didn't even watch the debate.

00:23:52.500 Next, we had Warren Kinsella.

00:23:54.080 He said,

00:23:54.520 So, the next conservative debate will happen this Wednesday, May 11th, in Edmonton.

00:24:21.040 And I'll just say one more tidbit from the debate.

00:24:23.720 So, while we're organizing,

00:24:24.900 while we're coming up with the questions,

00:24:26.240 there's so many questions that you could ask these candidates

00:24:28.340 and there's so many topics that we wanted to cover.

00:24:30.460 But, of course, we were limited.

00:24:31.500 It was 90 minutes.

00:24:32.420 And we didn't want to try to squeeze too much into what we wanted to leave.

00:24:36.040 Lots of time for the candidates to have crosstalk,

00:24:38.660 have their debate,

00:24:39.660 and, you know, get their platforms out.

00:24:41.720 And so, one of the topics we didn't cover as much as we would have liked to

00:24:45.740 were more issues concerning Western Canada,

00:24:49.140 Western Canadian issues, oil and gas, pipelines, all that kind of stuff.

00:24:51.900 We did talk about it a little bit.

00:24:53.040 But we didn't talk about it that much.

00:24:54.880 And part of the reason why was because I was thinking,

00:24:56.920 you know, the next debate next week is in Alberta.

00:24:59.420 They're going to talk about all those issues in Alberta.

00:25:02.100 But then we learned that this debate is moderated

00:25:05.020 by none other than Tom Clark,

00:25:07.120 who is a former legacy media journalist from Central Canada.

00:25:10.280 He's a Laurentian elite.

00:25:12.080 And not just that.

00:25:13.040 He was a long-time global news host.

00:25:14.960 You may remember this very embarrassing interview

00:25:18.080 that he did with Justin Trudeau,

00:25:20.560 where he asked Justin Trudeau,

00:25:22.200 they were in a plane together,

00:25:23.360 and he asked Justin Trudeau apparently the question

00:25:25.080 that all Canadians have been dying to know,

00:25:27.180 which is something about what kind of shampoo Justin Trudeau uses.

00:25:31.160 No, I'm not making this up.

00:25:32.300 This is literally the question that Tom Clark asked Justin Trudeau.

00:25:36.120 So that's the guy that's moderating the debate.

00:25:38.040 I don't have a lot of hope that he's going to ask questions

00:25:42.220 that resonate with Western Canadians

00:25:43.820 and with the Conservative base out there.

00:25:46.340 Ezra Levant over Rebel, he tweeted this,

00:25:48.600 bizarre, the next Conservative debate is in Edmonton,

00:25:50.800 but apparently there's no one in Alberta good enough to moderate it.

00:25:54.040 So the party is flying in an Ottawa lobbyist named Tom Clark to chair it.

00:25:58.840 Clark is a liberal media party type

00:26:01.280 who famously asked Trudeau what shampoo he uses.

00:26:04.560 Well, Clark was a long-time host over on Global News,

00:26:08.220 but apparently he's not a journalist anymore.

00:26:10.540 He is a lobbyist.

00:26:11.800 He's a senior advisor at Global Public Affairs,

00:26:15.200 and Paul Vieira, who writes for the Wall Street Journal in Canada,

00:26:18.000 he tweeted this back in June 2017,

00:26:20.300 former CTV and global journalist Tom Clark

00:26:22.300 to help the Liberal government vet candidates

00:26:24.880 to sit on the board of the CBC.

00:26:27.060 So he's a lobbyist who gets appointed

00:26:30.100 and gets jobs through the Liberal government.

00:26:32.900 And this is the guy that they have moderating the next debate.

00:26:37.020 Well, that makes me even more fortunate

00:26:38.700 and grateful that I was able to participate in the first debate

00:26:42.040 because it might be the only one that reflects

00:26:44.260 what the grassroots of the Conservative movement

00:26:47.100 and the Conservative Party really care about,

00:26:49.480 despite what the legacy media complain

00:26:51.760 and clutch their pearls and say

00:26:53.260 that they really don't like the things that we talked about.

00:26:56.460 I think that we covered a lot of really good ground

00:26:59.640 and I'm happy with the way that the debate turned out.

00:27:03.280 All right, thank you so much for watching.

00:27:04.660 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:27:26.460 The Candice Malcolm and the Depth of сним Member Film

00:27:30.220 We're here at H.E.

00:27:31.220 We'll see you next time.

00:27:31.780 Thank you.

00:27:32.280 Bye now.

00:27:32.780 We'll see you next time.

00:27:33.860 Thanks.

00:27:34.400 Yeah.

00:27:35.060 Thanks.

00:27:35.380 Bye now.

00:27:35.580 You're looking forward to it.

00:27:36.480 Bye now.

00:27:37.680 I'm so sorry.

00:27:38.440 Bye now.

00:27:39.580 Bye now.

Juno News - May 09, 2022

Legacy media got the Conservative debate all wrong

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