Juno News - Liberal Majority？ Budget day is hijacked by Conservative floor-crossing… more to come？

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:05.520 Folks, there is so much going on in Ottawa right now, so much in the political lane that

00:00:10.540 we have to get to.

00:00:11.440 Obviously, yesterday was a huge day with the budget, lots of speculation as to whether

00:00:15.520 this may trigger an early election, whether we may be back with, you know, potentially

00:00:21.060 fallen government back to an election.

00:00:23.920 I don't think that that's really the conversation anymore because the entire day was sort of

00:00:28.160 hijacked rather than talking about the budget, the spending, the sort of out-of-control Trudeau

00:00:32.260 era budget that we saw.

00:00:34.300 Instead, the news switched, and we started talking about floor crossings and whether or

00:00:37.940 not maybe Mark Carney might have the ability to scoop a majority government out of a minority

00:00:42.940 by having a couple of conservatives shockingly cross the floor, really not the way that we

00:00:47.820 expected the day to go yesterday.

00:00:49.880 And so to help me break this all down, I'm very pleased today to be joined by my friend

00:00:53.380 and political commentator, one of the best in the country, Brian Lilly, who writes

00:00:58.140 for the Toronto Sun, and he's a host of Lily Unleashed, no better person to help us understand

00:01:03.640 what is happening in Canadian politics.

00:01:06.140 So, Brian, welcome to the program.

00:01:07.500 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:09.080 Thanks for having me.

00:01:10.100 I mean, look, for political nerds like you and me, budget day is, you know, whoo, budget

00:01:15.800 day.

00:01:16.080 It's amazing.

00:01:16.680 We get to look at numbers and we got to figure out what the government's doing.

00:01:20.040 And then you add in a floor crossing.

00:01:21.640 It's like two Christmases in one.

00:01:24.980 Well, exactly.

00:01:25.760 It makes our job easier when there's a lot to talk about.

00:01:28.400 And I, you know, it went with the drama of the day yesterday because all of the journalists

00:01:32.600 are in lockup.

00:01:33.960 So when there's a budget, the government gives you an advanced copy of it.

00:01:37.200 You're sitting in a room.

00:01:37.980 They take away your phone so that you can't scoop them before the actual budget is read.

00:01:42.500 And so a lot of journalists were sort of caught flat footed by the news that ended up kind

00:01:46.500 of overwhelming the news of the day, which was this floor crossing.

00:01:50.920 So why don't we start with the budget and what the day was supposed to look like, which

00:01:55.460 is that Mark Carney tabled a $78 billion deficit, the largest deficit outside of the pandemic

00:02:02.920 in Canadian history.

00:02:04.600 And so, you know, for all of those people out there who voted liberal because they thought

00:02:08.140 they were going to get sort of a blue liberal or more of a fiscally conservative government,

00:02:12.140 I think that that is out the window.

00:02:13.860 I think this idea that Mark Carney came in, that they're going to invest.

00:02:17.340 They're going to invest, saying the same thing we've been hearing for a decade, Brian.

00:02:20.940 You know, when you're investing, you really expect there to be an ROI and some kind of

00:02:25.200 something to show for it, right?

00:02:26.420 Instead, what does Canada have?

00:02:28.120 Absolutely sluggish growth.

00:02:29.240 I think the second to worst in the OECD, declining GDP per capita, not good numbers in

00:02:35.580 the Canadian economy.

00:02:36.420 And yet, you know, we're back to the same solutions, which is just spend more money and hopefully

00:02:41.140 things will fall into place.

00:02:42.860 I think that's what the plan was.

00:02:44.140 What was your takeaway on the budget, Brian?

00:02:45.920 It was a missed opportunity, a great disappointment.

00:02:49.740 This was a budget that was, at the beginning, they were saying it was going to be an austerity

00:02:54.320 budget.

00:02:54.780 Then they moved to, we're going to spend less so we can invest more. 0.99

00:02:59.000 So we're going to suck and blow at the same time. 0.98

00:03:01.380 Then they were talking about generational transformation. 0.99

00:03:04.300 Look, Candace, I did not vote for the Mark Carney liberals.

00:03:07.840 I did not support what they were putting forward.

00:03:10.860 But when you hear a prime minister saying that we need to think big, act bigger, and move

00:03:15.760 at speeds not seen in generations, that we need generational transformation of our economy

00:03:20.140 so we can unleash our economy.

00:03:22.040 I'm thinking, okay, that sounds pretty good.

00:03:24.840 Do that.

00:03:25.700 I've been asking you to do that.

00:03:27.220 Do that.

00:03:27.900 Well, they didn't do it.

00:03:29.840 So it wasn't an austerity budget.

00:03:31.740 It wasn't a generational transformation budget.

00:03:34.100 It was a lot more of the same.

00:03:37.160 There are some good things in there, and I'm happy to talk about those, but let's talk

00:03:40.820 about this idea that so many in the media were putting forward saying, well, spending's

00:03:46.120 down.

00:03:46.460 He's going to control spending.

00:03:48.960 Really?

00:03:49.880 Look, there's one page that I go to in every budget, and I don't care who's in power.

00:03:54.420 I go to a page that is always headlined with a table called the summary statement of transactions.

00:04:00.940 For any of you watching, you can pull up the budget online in a PDF form, control F, summary

00:04:08.640 statement of transactions.

00:04:10.020 This will tell you the basis of what you need to know, and then from there, you go out and

00:04:13.940 you find all the goodies that they're either trying to give you or hide from you.

00:04:18.220 But the summary statement of transactions is, what's the deficit?

00:04:22.340 What are the public debt charges?

00:04:24.720 What's the government revenue?

00:04:26.140 Is it up or is it down?

00:04:27.120 Is spending up or down?

00:04:28.320 So let me give you the highlight numbers.

00:04:29.720 The annual spending deficit is up dramatically, $78.3 billion.

00:04:34.900 Now, in the previous budget that was released a year and a half ago, it's been that long

00:04:39.960 since we had a budget, the deficit for fiscal year 25-26 was projected to be $38.9 billion.

00:04:47.100 So the actual deficit is more than double what they projected in the last budget.

00:04:53.820 You say, okay, well, that was a long time ago.

00:04:55.740 Let's be fair to the government.

00:04:56.840 Well, last December, they released the fall economic statement, the one with the, was

00:05:01.200 it $61 billion deficit that Christy Freeland resigned over?

00:05:05.160 That projected that this fiscal year, we would have a $42 billion deficit.

00:05:10.480 No, it's $78.3 billion.

00:05:13.720 Now, revenue is down.

00:05:15.580 It was $511 billion last year.

00:05:17.560 It's $507 billion this year, down about $4 billion.

00:05:20.480 Total government spending is up $37.6 billion.

00:05:26.340 Program spending is up 7% to last year.

00:05:30.040 Now, we've been hearing Mark Carney say for a long time, Justin Trudeau was increasing

00:05:34.400 program spending by 8% to 9% a year.

00:05:37.340 That's unsustainable.

00:05:39.180 Well, if 8% to 9% is unsustainable, what's 7%?

00:05:42.100 And they've got these projections that, you know, five years from now, they'll have program

00:05:47.380 spending increases contained to 1% a year.

00:05:51.080 I don't believe any government's five-year projections.

00:05:54.600 I don't care who you are.

00:05:55.520 You can be Stephen Harper.

00:05:56.580 You can be Doug Ford.

00:05:57.800 You can be Danielle Smith.

00:05:59.000 I don't care.

00:05:59.940 All of you get it wrong.

00:06:01.080 And, you know, in fairness to them, it's very hard to predict what the economy will be doing

00:06:07.440 five years from now.

00:06:08.800 Sure, it's a worthwhile exercise, but I don't hold them to it.

00:06:11.800 And none of them ever meet it, especially the liberal governments.

00:06:14.660 They've been a disaster.

00:06:15.660 So you've got all of this going on.

00:06:17.880 And then the public debt charges, $55.6 billion.

00:06:23.180 $55.6 billion just to service the interest on the debt.

00:06:28.540 That is a real problem.

00:06:29.900 That is more than the federal government is spending on the Canada health transfer by a

00:06:33.400 billion a year.

00:06:35.000 The health transfer is going to grow to $65 billion over the next five years.

00:06:41.400 But the public debt charges are projected to grow to $76 billion.

00:06:45.600 So this gap in what we spend on health care compared to what we spend on interest on the

00:06:51.740 debt is only going to get wider.

00:06:54.580 Why does that matter?

00:06:55.380 Because the more we spend on public debt charges, the less we have to spend on the debt.

00:06:59.900 We spend on actual programs.

00:07:01.260 Like, why do we pay taxes?

00:07:02.540 So that we can get services from government.

00:07:04.400 We don't pay taxes so that we can send money to bankers that are holding our debt.

00:07:10.560 Well, it's absolutely right.

00:07:12.720 And, you know, it's one thing to get it wrong five years out because the economy really grew

00:07:16.720 or maybe there's a recession that you couldn't help.

00:07:18.820 But, you know, one year out, you'd think that they would have more accurate numbers.

00:07:21.740 And I get that there was technically a change of government, but it's still the liberals.

00:07:24.940 There's still a lot of the same people overlapping.

00:07:27.480 And so to get it off by that much, I want to play a quick clip of Prime Minister Mark Carney

00:07:33.880 speaking at a press conference in Ottawa.

00:07:35.700 And he says that the federal budget was prudent, that it managed to strike a responsible, pragmatic,

00:07:43.220 prudent way.

00:07:43.640 Let's play that clip.

00:07:44.140 We've put forward to the House a plan that meets the moment, that manages the federal finances

00:07:54.600 in a prudent, responsible, pragmatic way, gets spending down and creates this prospect

00:08:01.120 of investment on a scale that we haven't seen for generations.

00:08:06.840 Now, I want to just juxtapose that by saying what Pierre Pauly, a conservative leader, had

00:08:11.220 to say in question period, which was slamming this government, saying it is the most costly

00:08:16.060 and largest budget deficit in the history of our country outside of the pandemic.

00:08:21.940 Let's play that clip of Pauly in question period yesterday.

00:08:24.660 The liberals have introduced the most costly and largest budget deficit in history outside

00:08:30.880 of COVID.

00:08:32.060 The cost of this liberal budget will drive up the cost of food, housing and everything

00:08:37.640 else that Canadians buy.

00:08:38.920 And the Prime Minister has broken every single promise he made just seven short months ago.

00:08:45.180 He promised a $62 billion deficit.

00:08:47.900 He delivered nearly an $80 billion deficit, $16 billion bigger than he promised and twice

00:08:53.820 the size that his predecessor left behind.

00:08:56.720 He promised to spend less.

00:08:58.500 He's spending $90 billion more, costing $5,400 per family in Canada.

00:09:06.700 And that $90 billion, to the Prime Minister's heckles, is above and beyond the promised

00:09:12.160 $16 billion that he says he will one day find.

00:09:15.860 And if he doesn't find them, it will be over $100 billion in brand new spending.

00:09:19.960 This costly budget forces Canadians to spend more on debt interest than on health care

00:09:26.120 transfers.

00:09:26.700 More than the government collects in GST.

00:09:29.600 That means every dollar the Canadians pay in GST will go to bankers and bondholders instead

00:09:36.120 of to doctors and nurses.

00:09:38.020 So, Brian, I want to just mention a couple of other things that are tucked away in this

00:09:42.940 budget, including that the budget earmarked nearly $140 million for refugees and former

00:09:49.480 workers in order to get them onto a permanent residency fast track.

00:09:54.380 So, $120 million of new spending over the next four years, plus an extra $20 million to just

00:10:00.980 process, to spend, to process all of the basically backlog of applications that are sitting there

00:10:07.380 one-time measure to accelerate the transition of up to 33,000 work permits into permanent

00:10:12.980 residency.

00:10:13.860 So, I think what we're also seeing is an increase in immigration.

00:10:16.480 Liberals are doubling down on that.

00:10:18.220 It seems to me, Brian, that the way that they want to grow the economy is by growing the

00:10:22.360 government, the size of government is what they always do.

00:10:24.520 The best way to boost GDP is just to spend more money from the government.

00:10:27.640 It's the easiest way.

00:10:28.840 And then to also artificially boost our population, bring more people into the country, regardless 0.99

00:10:34.160 of whether we have a place to house them, whether there's actual jobs for these people,

00:10:37.780 but just bring in more people.

00:10:39.440 It just seems like, again, the same old stuff from this liberal government.

00:10:43.120 What do you think?

00:10:44.500 Well, on the immigration front, look, I'm the child of immigrants.

00:10:47.780 I grew up in a neighborhood full of immigrants, but there were people that followed the rules.

00:10:51.440 The liberals took the most successful immigration program in the Western world, in the developed

00:10:56.120 world, and destroyed it, including by encouraging people to come here and claim asylum when they 0.99

00:11:02.620 were economic refugees, economic migrants.

00:11:05.980 And I get wanting to move to another country for a better way of life, a better standard of

00:11:12.220 living.

00:11:12.520 That's what my parents did.

00:11:13.920 That's what so many Canadians did.

00:11:15.400 But they followed the rules.

00:11:16.500 They did it the right way.

00:11:17.560 They have to put these measures in place because the backlog is so large and because it's creating

00:11:23.420 all these problems.

00:11:24.560 And so they're trying to fix their own mess by creating another one.

00:11:28.320 This is a major issue.

00:11:31.180 They grew the GDP of the country for several years by just flooding the country with more

00:11:36.360 and more people.

00:11:37.460 To use the term that Justin Trudeau eventually used, bringing in people faster than we can

00:11:41.960 absorb them.

00:11:42.580 So that is not going to fix the economy.

00:11:45.880 Neither is growing spending.

00:11:48.440 A couple of good things that I'll say about the budget is, and these are not generational

00:11:53.900 transformations, which they should be, but this super deduction.

00:11:58.340 Yeah, that's a good idea.

00:11:59.440 And they're trying to say that that gives Canada the lowest marginal effective tax rate

00:12:05.860 for corporations of any G7 country.

00:12:08.600 Well, for one year, if you invest a ton of money, you get a one-year tax break.

00:12:13.600 The rest of the countries have moved to lower taxes, period.

00:12:16.600 That's what we should be doing.

00:12:17.840 We should be looking at total tax transformation, reducing the number of income tax brackets,

00:12:23.620 both personally and elsewhere.

00:12:25.360 We should be looking at those things.

00:12:26.980 Those aren't there.

00:12:27.900 They got rid of the 10% luxury tax on things like planes and private planes and yachts.

00:12:35.560 And folks might say, well, what does that matter?

00:12:37.540 Well, a company like Bombardier, which is now just making, they're no longer on the

00:12:43.200 government dole.

00:12:43.840 They're not getting handouts.

00:12:45.020 They make private jets for the global market.

00:12:47.740 They make jets that also work for the military.

00:12:50.200 But they haven't sold a single private jet in five years in Canada because the liberals

00:12:55.300 brought in this luxury tax.

00:12:57.080 So we're killing our own jobs.

00:12:59.200 There are thousands of people that make good money building these planes in Mississauga,

00:13:03.800 in Montreal.

00:13:05.200 And we're killing off our own jobs.

00:13:06.680 Why?

00:13:07.480 To virtue signal?

00:13:08.340 It doesn't bring in that much money, but it hurts the economy.

00:13:12.080 We had one boatmaker in Kelowna pack up shop and move to Texas because he just said, I can't

00:13:19.040 sell my boats like this.

00:13:20.660 I'll move to where I can sell boats and where I can make them.

00:13:23.480 We have to stop killing off our own economy.

00:13:25.880 There are things they could have done that didn't do.

00:13:28.300 And then, you know, there are silly things they did, like an extra 150 million to CBC and

00:13:33.980 a promise to try and get us into the Eurovision Song Contest.

00:13:37.880 I don't know about you, Candice, but I am really excited for Canada's entry into the Eurovision

00:13:43.180 Song debacle.

00:13:44.360 I don't know if you know much about Eurovision, Brian, but the entire thing is a debacle.

00:13:50.080 I mean, it's like a farce.

00:13:51.580 It's a joke.

00:13:52.160 I actually was backpacking through Europe, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago.

00:13:56.000 And my friend that I was backpacking with was like, hey, let's go to Eurovision.

00:13:59.040 So we bought tickets who were in Serbia and it was just an absolute circus. 1.00

00:14:04.180 Like nobody took it seriously.

00:14:05.200 And the music's horrible.

00:14:06.500 It's taken seriously by the people who are part of it.

00:14:08.700 And yes, it's not even just for Europeans.

00:14:10.460 They have all kinds of Middle Eastern countries and non-European.

00:14:13.020 But why is that a priority for Canadians?

00:14:15.640 It makes no sense.

00:14:16.620 And the music's horrible, I got to say.

00:14:19.040 Yeah, that's true.

00:14:19.580 I mean, Celine Dion was in it once.

00:14:21.180 She's fantastic.

00:14:22.120 ABBA's great.

00:14:22.720 Who doesn't love ABBA? 0.94

00:14:24.420 But outside of that, really?

00:14:26.260 Yeah, you're going back pretty far.

00:14:26.940 I think, you know, 20 years since anything relevant.

00:14:30.460 50 years for ABBA.

00:14:31.600 50, maybe, yeah.

00:14:32.620 Okay, well, I want to talk.

00:14:33.440 So this is what the Conservatives wanted to be talking about yesterday.

00:14:36.300 They released a pretty clever ad that was sort of going viral on X and social media.

00:14:41.660 They released this full house-style parody mocking the Liberals for basically just sounding

00:14:45.860 exactly like they've always sound with this lie that they say, we're not spending your

00:14:50.660 money.

00:14:50.860 We're investing your money for the future.

00:14:52.560 It's always the future.

00:14:53.900 That future never seems to come.

00:14:55.280 That return never seems to come.

00:14:56.480 But anyway, I'll play you just a part of this ad from the Conservative Party released

00:15:01.920 yesterday.

00:15:05.700 Why is the only Liberal plan to spend, spend, spend?

00:15:11.840 Mr. Speaker, the Liberal plan is to invest, invest, invest.

00:15:16.000 It is time to invest in the future of our country.

00:15:25.440 It has never been more appropriate to invest in the future of our country.

00:15:29.500 So I had a good chuckle and laughed about that, Brian.

00:15:30.940 That's why our economic plan, it is really at its heart about investing in Canadians.

00:15:40.780 That's what we're proposing to Canadians, generational investment in our future, man.

00:15:45.280 I'm a speaker.

00:15:45.680 We're not spending that amount of money.

00:15:47.120 We're not spending that amount of money.

00:15:49.460 We're investing that amount.

00:15:51.120 So I had a good chuckle and laughed about that, Brian, but really the whole thing was overshadowed

00:15:58.460 by the news of a Conservative MP crossing the floor.

00:16:01.820 I'm sure this is the last thing that Pierre Polyev wanted to deal with yesterday.

00:16:05.180 But news broke that Conservative MP Chris Dantremont had left the party to join the Liberals.

00:16:10.140 And interestingly, this news broke during the budget lockup by an American outlet, Politico.

00:16:15.500 They posted a scoop basically saying that there was rumors and that he said that he might,

00:16:20.540 he was thinking about it and considering it.

00:16:22.780 And, you know, as soon as that happened, I mean, you have the inside story, Brian.

00:16:26.220 So why don't you sort of tell us how it unfolded?

00:16:29.020 Well, Chris's name had been floating around for a while, along with others like Jean Godin

00:16:33.740 from an area just northeast of Quebec City.

00:16:38.300 Dominique Vien from Belle Chasse-Lévis, used to be Stephen Blaney's writing just south of Quebec City.

00:16:44.800 And these names kept floating around and Dominique had said, no, no, no, no, it's not going to happen.

00:16:51.840 And, you know, Chris just a few weeks ago was criticizing the Carney government for spending too much

00:16:57.100 and said, if you if you don't get it under control, things are only going to get worse.

00:17:00.300 And then on the day of the budget crosses the floor as they release a bigger spending budget.

00:17:05.500 I'll give a shout out to Politico.

00:17:06.860 I mean, they played this really well.

00:17:09.100 As you said, most of the media is in the lockup and there were two names on the byline.

00:17:14.620 I'm only going to remember Mickey, uh, the Jujic. 1.00

00:17:17.420 I hope I got her last name right.

00:17:18.620 Mickey, my apologies if I didn't.

00:17:20.380 And they're based in Ottawa and they cover Parliament Hill.

00:17:24.300 They got the whole newsletter playbook thing going and they scooped everyone while everyone

00:17:29.980 else is in the lockup.

00:17:31.100 They release it like just before question period that this is happening and everyone's looking

00:17:36.700 around going, what, what?

00:17:38.140 Come on.

00:17:38.780 Um, the, uh, you know, conservative leadership was scrambling.

00:17:43.340 Okay.

00:17:43.740 Are there others?

00:17:45.020 Cause they hinted that there were, uh, you know, Dominique Vien has since put out another

00:17:49.820 video saying I'm not crossing.

00:17:51.580 I listed her in my own sub stack, my newsletter yesterday, uh, as someone that whose name keeps

00:17:57.340 coming up, but the liberals have also been pushing ridiculous names like Michael Chong.

00:18:01.500 Michael Chong is never crossing the floor to the liberals.

00:18:04.540 That is not going to happen.

00:18:06.540 And, you know, I know folks are saying Chris Dantremont, well, he was always a liberal.

00:18:11.900 This is a guy who has been involved in federal and provincial conservative politics in Nova

00:18:17.100 Scotia going back decades at the federal and provincial level.

00:18:20.780 Uh, he'd been in, uh, I believe he was in the, the Nova Scotia PC government before.

00:18:26.060 This has shocked a lot of people in the conservative movement in Atlantic Canada.

00:18:30.220 Uh, he had wanted to be speaker.

00:18:33.100 The party didn't back him or for being speaker or deputy speaker.

00:18:37.580 And well, he had his nose out of joint over that.

00:18:41.020 I think that has to be part of it.

00:18:43.020 Was he completely in line with where Pierre Polyev is maybe, maybe not, but I, you know,

00:18:49.340 people shouldn't just dismiss him as saying, well, he was always a liberal.

00:18:52.220 Anyway, he wasn't, he was a long time conservative and he moved.

00:18:56.780 Does the party need more difficult to understand then, Brian?

00:19:00.700 Like, I don't understand someone who spends her career, spends her life working for a conservative

00:19:05.020 movement, believing in conservatism broadly, choosing to join that party, volunteer.

00:19:09.180 And then, and then changing all of a sudden over something personal.

00:19:13.020 Like I didn't get the position in the government that I wanted.

00:19:15.340 Rick Perkins, a former conservative MP from Nova Scotia posted on X that he had been speaking

00:19:22.620 with Don from on the weekend, who was complaining that he'd only won by 1% in the last election.

00:19:28.220 Things aren't going well in the riding.

00:19:30.060 Why even bother running?

00:19:32.380 Well, maybe he had an epiphany and thought, well, if I'm a liberal, I'll get reelected next time.

00:19:37.900 Look, it works for some people.

00:19:39.500 It doesn't for others.

00:19:41.020 These tend to be stories that last a day or two, and then they go away.

00:19:45.500 And, you know, whether it's Belinda Stronick, Bill Casey, Wajid Khan, Jenica Atwin, there's

00:19:51.740 so many of these I've covered over my career.

00:19:54.460 They don't make a massive difference.

00:19:56.380 The biggest one, of course, was Belinda Stronick, 1.00

00:19:58.540 in part because she was dating Peter McKay, deputy leader at the time.

00:20:02.460 I want to go to Ian Brody, former chief of staff, to Stephen Harper.

00:20:07.340 He wrote on social media.

00:20:08.700 He said, this is the second most consequential floor crossing in my lifetime, solidified the

00:20:12.700 new conservative party, began turning the clock on the Martin government, talking about what

00:20:17.980 you're referring to, which was Belinda Stronick crossing the floor from the conservatives over

00:20:24.140 to the liberals back in 2004.

00:20:26.540 Go back to the tweet here.

00:20:27.340 It says, hailed by reporters at the time as a coup for the grits, turned out to be anything

00:20:31.580 but because, of course, Martin's government didn't last much longer.

00:20:35.900 So, you know, if you think about the momentum, it seemed like Belinda Stronick jumping ship

00:20:40.140 and going to the liberals was going to secure Paul Martin and maybe, you know, a decade of

00:20:44.140 leadership for him as prime minister.

00:20:45.660 And then lo and behold, not too much later, everything flipped, everything fell apart.

00:20:50.380 And by 2006, Stephen Harper was prime minister.

00:20:53.260 So, I mean, if he's drawing that parallel, I'll take that.

00:20:56.300 If this seems like a win for Carney and then in the future, it'll turn out that, you know,

00:21:01.340 this isn't the win that you think.

00:21:03.020 What did you make of Brody's comments there, Brian?

00:21:05.740 Well, so I was on the hill at that time, as was was Ian running Stephen Harper's office.

00:21:10.460 And I was a radio reporter.

00:21:11.740 And, you know, in the spring of 2005, there was a real attempt to try and take down the

00:21:17.900 Martin government and the block and the NDP joined with the conservatives.

00:21:21.340 But then, you know, Belinda Stronick crossed the floor. 1.00

00:21:24.060 Chuck Cadman made his famous decision to vote with the government for his own personal reasons.

00:21:29.420 All of these things happening.

00:21:31.340 And it really felt like the wind was out of the sails.

00:21:34.140 OK, Paul Martin's going to stick around for a long time.

00:21:37.420 That was I'd have to check the dates.

00:21:39.820 But I think May 2005, the government fell in November 2005.

00:21:45.420 We had an election over Christmas.

00:21:47.260 And in late January 20 2006, Stephen Harper became prime minister and was there for a long time.

00:21:53.660 I've been saying for a while now that Mark Carney and his government can go one of two ways.

00:21:59.820 If they deliver, then Canadians will reward them.

00:22:03.100 You know, if they turn around the economy, if they figure out a way to calm the waters.

00:22:07.980 I mean, we are dealing with tariffs and trade uncertainty, and that is leading to economic

00:22:12.940 uncertainty.

00:22:14.140 If they find a way to calm the waters and turn things around and they deliver, then there's

00:22:21.020 a good chance they'll stick around for a long time.

00:22:23.340 But what is Mark Carney been doing since he became prime minister?

00:22:26.140 He has been overselling and under delivering.

00:22:29.420 And you and I are not alone in describing the budget this way.

00:22:32.940 Mainstream media is describing the budget that way, which is very problematic for him.

00:22:38.780 He was asked by the Globe and Mail at his news conference on Wednesday morning,

00:22:42.700 did you overhype this budget?

00:22:44.860 And like he literally did that in the air and then said, no, he hadn't.

00:22:50.700 Well, what's going on?

00:22:52.140 Like you keep saying you're going to get a deal.

00:22:55.740 You don't get a deal.

00:22:56.780 You keep saying that you're going to do a transformational budget.

00:22:59.580 You don't.

00:23:00.300 Eventually, if he doesn't deliver, he will become the next Paul Martin.

00:23:04.220 And what liberals are looking at right now and thinking, this is our savior.

00:23:08.860 We're going to be in government for a long time, will quickly fall apart.

00:23:12.380 Again, if he delivers, Canadians will reward him.

00:23:15.500 If he doesn't, I think in the new year, they're going to start turning on him.

00:23:19.180 Well, it's such an interesting perspective because it was a Hail Mary, right?

00:23:23.020 Like the liberals were totally written off and there was no chance they're going to form

00:23:26.220 government.

00:23:26.540 Pierre was the guy.

00:23:27.580 And so you can imagine when he was recruiting candidates across the country, everyone thought

00:23:31.260 that the conservatives were going to form a massive majority government because the

00:23:34.060 electorate was going to punish the liberals.

00:23:36.460 They found Mark Carney, pulled him in.

00:23:38.220 Canadians put some trust in him, but it's a high stakes situation, right?

00:23:40.700 It's like we trust you at a crisis, but you better deliver.

00:23:43.820 And so far, Brian, I don't think that he is delivering.

00:23:46.540 Thanks so much for your time and your analysis.

00:23:48.460 Always appreciate your opinions and ideas and your time, Brian.

00:23:51.020 Thank you.

00:23:51.420 Thank you.

00:23:52.140 All right.

00:23:53.580 I want to continue talking about the floor crossings and about this MP, Chris Dantremont.

00:23:58.140 I'm pleased to be joined by one of my favorite guests here on the Candace Malcolm show, Wyatt

00:24:02.540 Claypool.

00:24:03.100 Wyatt is a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph.

00:24:07.020 Wyatt, thank you so much for joining us here.

00:24:09.580 Absolutely.

00:24:10.620 Thanks for having me on, Candace.

00:24:11.740 Okay.

00:24:12.380 So what, I mean, what do you think of floor crossings?

00:24:14.460 I think this is one of the things that Canadians hate the most.

00:24:17.100 I saw Bill Canada CEO, Lucy Hargraves, who is a federal liberal, she posted online showing

00:24:22.540 a 2018 Angus Reid poll saying that four in 10 Canadians think that floor crossing should

00:24:26.860 be banned and that anyone who crosses the floor should have to sit as an independent.

00:24:33.260 People in Quebec are most opposed to floor crossing.

00:24:35.900 So I don't think Canadians like this idea that you can do this.

00:24:39.500 It almost seems like cheating, especially when we're this close to a majority, right?

00:24:45.740 Like there's three, he's Mark Carney, Prime Minister Carney is three seats away from forming

00:24:50.940 a majority.

00:24:51.500 And you're thinking, you know, maybe he can find three MPs out there.

00:24:54.540 He's already got one.

00:24:55.180 He only needs two more and then throw Elizabeth May in there. 1.00

00:24:57.980 And all of a sudden, you know, the tables could really flip.

00:25:00.380 So what are your thoughts on all that?

00:25:02.780 Well, maybe the most dangerous outcome is that just one more crosses the floor.

00:25:06.860 And then the kingmaker ends up being Elizabeth May for a couple of years.

00:25:10.780 You know, I think we all get chills thinking about that.

00:25:13.660 Like, you know, I can tell that we just passed Halloween a little bit ago, knowing that with

00:25:18.860 that possibility in the air, the one thing I would say right off the bat is I think that

00:25:23.420 the reaction to Chris D'Entremont leaving may actually be the thing that prevents anyone

00:25:29.580 else from leaving, because I think that when they realize that they're actually not going to

00:25:34.620 get the sort of easy win the next election that they think they're going to get because of how

00:25:39.260 much they're going to activate conservatives in their own riding, they may think twice.

00:25:43.740 This is actually something my friend Chris, not Chris D'Entremont, but Chris from the

00:25:48.220 Great Canadian Bagel Channel pointed out that he's whining about only winning his riding in

00:25:54.380 the last election by 1.1%.

00:25:57.340 But if you look at the history of that riding, that was an outlier result in part because the

00:26:02.860 NDP completely collapsed, as well as the Liberals having the most friendly news cycle to run on back

00:26:09.740 in April, they're not going to do as well in the next election in what has always been considered a

00:26:16.140 very default conservative riding, that being Acadianapolis. A lot of small fishing towns,

00:26:22.220 a lot of working class people. It got close just because of the news cycle and the elbows up stuff. 1.00

00:26:27.740 I don't think D'Entremont is going to have a very easy time being reelected. If anything,

00:26:31.820 I could actually see the guy getting completely smashed. And yes, this all does seem petty.

00:26:37.340 On the issue of floor crossing in general, though, there are two different floor crossings in my mind.

00:26:42.860 There is this one that is petty. It's really just for personal reasons. It has nothing ideological about

00:26:48.940 it. It's going to tick off your constituents. And there are some forms of floor crossing I'm okay with.

00:26:54.620 If a party or a leader just decides that we no longer stand for the things that we said we did

00:27:00.540 in the election. And then you said, well, I can't be here anymore. And you left. That's fine with me.

00:27:05.740 I think that this shouldn't be banned. I think that the social consequences that we're likely going to

00:27:11.340 see for D'Entremont in the next election are the proper consequences. Well, it does seem like career

00:27:17.180 suicide. And I was just talking about this with Brian Lilly. It's like, you know, if you spend your whole

00:27:21.340 career and maybe your life, like I know in Eastern Canada, a lot of people are the party that their

00:27:25.900 parents and grandparents and like their community and their family are a part of, like they don't

00:27:29.100 necessarily choose the parties. It's like their family is a conservative or their family is a liberal.

00:27:33.260 It just seems like a very drastic step to take. And it wasn't like, like the thing that I was hearing

00:27:38.060 from D'Entremont wasn't, oh, Pierre Polyev is too radical and he's too right wing. Like it wasn't really about that.

00:27:44.140 It was really just pragmatic and like, I'm mad because I didn't get this deputy speaker thing that

00:27:48.460 I wanted. I want to play a clip of this MP, Chris D'Entremont, um, saying basically just explaining

00:27:55.820 why, uh, sorry, this is, this is a clip from late September, um, saying that his constituents were

00:28:00.700 hurting under the Kearney government, warned that the liberal deficit would make things worse.

00:28:06.380 Instead of delivering relief, this government delayed its budget. So we're still waiting for a budget.

00:28:11.340 We haven't seen a budget in a year and a half. Why? Because it's projecting an over 92 billion dollar

00:28:17.420 deficit. That's a monstrous, irresponsible burden on future generations. We'll hear it. We'll hear it.

00:28:24.540 I'm sure maybe the questions that they're talking about a generational investment. But Mr. Speaker,

00:28:30.460 what it really is, is a generational debt that my kids, their kids and their kids' kids are going to

00:28:37.580 have to try to pay. I don't understand how you can say that about a liberal government and then join

00:28:41.660 them less than a month later. Anyways, uh, that was him just maybe a couple weeks ago. Here is Mark

00:28:46.620 Kearney, uh, speaking in Ottawa, thanking Chris D'Entremont for crossing the floor, calling the move

00:28:52.060 exceptionally valuable as he would. Here's that clip. I'd like to thank Chris D'Entremont, uh, the member for

00:28:58.620 parliament for Akedzie Annapolis. I'm honoured to welcome him as the newest member of our government

00:29:07.900 caucus. Chris's decision to join the government caucus at this crucial moment for our country

00:29:18.060 is exceptionally valuable and important.

00:29:19.820 So it seems like a solid move to me. Uh, there have been a lot of rumors and Brian mentioned

00:29:25.260 this and he, he wrote about a couple of other sort of Quebec area, uh, MPs. There was also a

00:29:30.860 crazy rumor spurring around. I don't want to, you know, give a hype to rumors that are unproven. Um,

00:29:35.900 but I did hear a couple of rumors, people texting me asking about Edmonton MP, uh, Matt Jenneru, um,

00:29:42.060 and potentially him cross the floor. That seems bizarre to me. I've known about Matt for a while and he

00:29:46.460 doesn't really seem like the type that would. Um, but for some reason, this, this rumor has been,

00:29:50.940 um, circulating while, um, global news reporter, Sarah Ryan sort of put that rumor to rest, uh,

00:29:57.500 on social media. She said that Edmonton MP Matt Jenneru's office tells me that despite the rumors

00:30:01.980 being circulated in Ottawa, MP Jenneru is not crossing the floor, adding that he is not leaving

00:30:07.660 the conservative party. So, um, that's a bit of an odd one. Uh, what, what do you make of that rumor?

00:30:13.420 And, and do you think that any more MPs will cross the floor? Um, I, I think that there could be,

00:30:19.420 I, I would not put it past being a coin toss. If another person leaves, do two more people leave?

00:30:25.180 I think that's unlikely because again, they are going to see the political consequences

00:30:28.860 for Chris Dantremont. Yes. In theory, he can think that the writing is going to keep going more liberal.

00:30:34.140 And if he crosses, it's easier next time, but it's one of those things where by trying to get,

00:30:39.660 you're trying to grasp what you want. In fact, you are not, it's going to slip through your fingers

00:30:43.420 because by doing this, it's going to activate every single conservative organizer in the area

00:30:47.980 to get rid of them. Uh, the, the funny thing with Matt Jenneru, the, uh, the, that's rumor there,

00:30:53.340 it actually kind of started from him having a X account that he doesn't really post on. And so his

00:30:59.500 posts were protected. Like he has a private account, you know, you can tag them on there. He probably uses

00:31:04.380 it to just monitor what's going on, but he doesn't like social media. I know tons of politicians who

00:31:09.660 hate social media. Uh, sometimes even younger politicians just don't like to use it. And

00:31:14.780 because Chris Dantremont, right before he made this decision, privated his account, that's what made

00:31:21.100 people assume that Matt had done the same move, even though that seems to have been something he did

00:31:25.900 well before Chris ever did something. Well, and I, yeah, I, the speculation also was that his, um,

00:31:34.060 his bio just says member of parliament doesn't say conservative member of parliament. So people are

00:31:37.500 just like reading in and trying to be a stealth reporters, but yeah, no, um, no word on that and

00:31:43.500 no verification. And, you know, I think it was a bit of probably of a disappointing news day for

00:31:47.660 Pierre Polyev because he thought, you know, this budget is a disaster, this huge runaway deficit.

00:31:51.820 They had that clever ad that they put out. And instead the entire conversation

00:31:55.740 was just sort of hijacked and everyone's talking about whether Pierre might lose his,

00:32:01.340 you know, minority government that, that, uh, sorry, that Carney might lose minority,

00:32:05.500 gain a majority. And I think that that would be really hurt harmful for Pierre Polyev. He's

00:32:11.100 facing a leadership review within his own party in January. Uh, what I want to ask you, why do you

00:32:16.700 think that Polyev is at risk? I know that there are some campaigns to get him removed. I think this

00:32:21.660 can't, couldn't have been a good news cycle for him based on the fact that he could be

00:32:25.500 shedding his own party. Um, how, how strong do you think his position as leader is right now?

00:32:30.780 Uh, if I was ballparking his percentage of the vote in a leadership review in favor of him,

00:32:37.100 I would put him between 75% to 95%. It could be any of those numbers. I know that actually varies

00:32:44.940 quite a bit. Uh, there are kind of like two factions of no poly of people. The people, the one

00:32:51.180 is Tim Houston and Doug Ford allies, people who just do not like his brand of politics. You know,

00:32:57.740 he's too populist. He should be doing this moderate red Tory way where you just promise very mild, uh,

00:33:05.180 change. And then for some reason that's going to make Canadians love you. This is actually why I did

00:33:09.580 like Aaron O'Toole's era of the conservative party. Cause it proved all those myths completely wrong.

00:33:14.220 Being just a listless moderate, in fact, makes people run away from you because they don't know

00:33:19.260 what to make of you because you don't represent much of anything. So that's one faction. And then

00:33:23.500 the second faction would be people who want internal governance reform, but it actually does look like

00:33:30.220 that may be the group of people who are more willing to cast another ballot in favor of poly of

00:33:36.140 to keep him around because people had a lot of problems with just the way the party was internally

00:33:41.100 run too many appointments in ridings before the election, too many scuffed nominations where

00:33:47.100 somebody was kicked out or somebody was basically assisted into the nomination. But the thing is

00:33:53.740 that at the same time, there was a lot more going on with national council and with all he has office,

00:33:59.500 him taking more direct control over that stuff and trying to shake the nonsense out. That was kind

00:34:04.620 of more of like a advisor, lower level kind of staffer scheme where, you know, that staffer,

00:34:10.300 that advisor may try and get their friend in. And if he cracks down on that, I think that you would

00:34:14.540 actually have a lot more people be willing to say yes to him. But I don't see a scenario where

00:34:19.900 it's going to be like 70% or like a Bonnie Crombie 58% outcome.

00:34:26.140 Well, it's interesting just that you mentioned that because I know that you were involved in your

00:34:29.740 own battle and there was a lot of complaints that the party was tightly run, that they didn't let

00:34:34.380 the true candidate selection democracy happen. And yet, to me, that makes it even more surprising.

00:34:39.820 Because they control the nomination process so heavily, how do you have MPs crossing the floor?

00:34:44.700 I mean, presumably, you know, they made these people swear allegiance and they were recruiting

00:34:50.620 people who would stay loyal to conservatism and to Polyev as leader. It didn't seem they'd do that. I

00:34:56.620 would just add one more group of people. And that is members of the base that were just disappointed

00:35:01.100 by Polyev's election performance, people who thought that he was caught flat footed when it

00:35:05.900 came to Trump, that he was just trying to echo the liberals too much, you know, for all of this,

00:35:11.100 I'm a fighter, I'm going to, you know, come out and defend conservative values. I see a lot of people,

00:35:16.940 a lot of people I talked to a lot of people online, just, you know, he just didn't bring it. And he and

00:35:21.340 he did kind of, like, go soft on some of his core conservative positions. I don't think that,

00:35:28.140 I don't think it's enough to oust his leader, I think deserves another shot. And I think that

00:35:32.060 a lot of these other people think that but I do hear voices sort of from the right saying,

00:35:36.540 you know, we didn't we didn't really get the red meat, we didn't really get a strong conservative

00:35:40.540 performance last election. And, you know, hoping that maybe there's someone better out there.

00:35:44.620 I don't know if there is, but that that's, that's also what I'm hearing.

00:35:47.980 Well, and the problem and the good thing, though, is because I would be one of those people saying,

00:35:53.340 too soft on immigration, you needed a more fiscally hawkish platform, when I think I've

00:35:59.100 even repeated this on your show before, when the liberals are saying, I'll give you a one percent

00:36:02.780 tax cut under $50,000. And you're like two and a quarter. It's like, who cares? That doesn't mean

00:36:08.140 anything. Reduce tax across the board by 20% or don't bother with it, because nobody even detects

00:36:13.900 that on their radar that you're doing that. And then on some other issues, yes, like Trump,

00:36:18.060 trying to a little bit too much like the liberals. But this is where I give him credit,

00:36:23.180 post election, unlike many other leaders who lose, he didn't just tighten the inner circle around him

00:36:28.940 and demand that everyone keeps supporting him. And I'm I know what I'm doing. He actually got much

00:36:33.340 better on the issues as ardent his position on fiscal issues on immigration on culture issues.

00:36:40.220 So I think that's a good sign. That's where he's actually, you know, able to listen to criticism,

00:36:46.220 take it in and then improve from it, which, you know, again, to contrast with Aaron O'Toole is 10,000

00:36:52.060 times better.

00:36:53.740 Well, that's exactly right. Okay, I want to go back to the budget just quickly, because you're

00:36:57.100 an Alberta guy. And there was a bit of a talk about possibly eliminating the oil and gas emissions cap.

00:37:05.340 This is a line straight from the budget. Canada's committed to bringing down emissions associated

00:37:09.180 with the production of oil and gas, effective carbon markets, hence oil and gas methane regulations,

00:37:13.580 and the deployment at scale of technologies such as carbon capture and storage would create the

00:37:17.420 circumstances whereby an oil and gas emissions cap, this is the important part, would no longer be

00:37:22.700 required, as it would have marginal value. So there is some talk of possibly Carney, you know,

00:37:30.460 scrapping the emissions cap, also some talk about, you know, we want this pipeline, we want

00:37:34.780 more oil getting to market, how are we going to get a pipeline through British Columbia, just moments

00:37:40.460 ago, speaking at a presser in Vancouver, BC Premier David Eby said that there will be no pipeline project.

00:37:47.580 And that basically, you know, Danielle Smith trying to get rid of the oil tanker ban off the West Coast, 1.00

00:37:55.420 and not going to happen. So I mean, fighting words, I know Danielle Smith has set a deadline for her 0.62

00:38:00.060 demands to mark Carney by Grey Cup, which is November 16. So there's a lot a lot at play here.

00:38:06.860 What do you think of all this? Well, on the pipeline issue, and the cap issue, I guess the cap

00:38:13.180 could be a good thing or bad thing. Again, two different scenarios here. The one is that is the

00:38:18.780 spending requirements on oil and gas companies to basically bypass the cap going to be so stringent,

00:38:25.340 it basically is a completely neutral decision that if you require if the cap is losing companies

00:38:31.100 billions of dollars, but you say, Okay, we'll get rid of the cap, but you have to spend billions of

00:38:35.180 dollars. It really depends on what the companies have to do in order to be able to eliminate the cap.

00:38:40.700 If it's that they can make some small scale investments in carbon capture,

00:38:44.140 and whatever, and then they can get rid of the cap and they can make billions more,

00:38:48.460 then that's a good thing. But the second problem, the second part of this issue is that without

00:38:53.740 pipelines, without the ability to export oil and gas products, well, you can ramp up your actual

00:38:59.820 production, but then just be stockpiling and have nowhere to actually send it to because we'll be at

00:39:05.660 capacity in terms of oil and gas products that we're selling into our own country, as well as into the

00:39:11.740 United States. And the thing that the complete farce of that press conference that E.B. did today

00:39:17.260 and what he did the previous day, he was seen with Grand Chief Stuart, uh, Philip, who quite literally

00:39:25.660 is the husband of an NDP MLA. And E.B. basically used that guy to launder the anti-pipeline position

00:39:34.140 where he came out and said, Well, you know, the problem is for indigenous people, a pipeline is a

00:39:38.620 non-starter. It's like, Oh, wow. Who could have guessed that this guy married to one of David E.B.'s

00:39:43.980 colleagues thought that. And then that's the reason that's what E.B. is saying, wrapped in his

00:39:49.340 blanket saying, Oh, it's a non-starter. We can't do it. We need to protect our forests. Indigenous

00:39:54.620 people told me, i.e. my colleague's husband told me. Right. Well, let's, let's play the clip. So folks

00:40:00.620 know what we're talking about here is the scene. And I mean, even just the backdrop that, you know,

00:40:04.780 the people, the way that E.B.'s dress, wearing some kind of an indigenous garb here, it's, it's all, 0.94

00:40:09.660 it's all sort of cosplaying. But anyway, let's play this clip. I'll point out, uh, uh, what is obvious

00:40:15.100 to me and, uh, and has yet to fully sink in, uh, for some, uh, individuals, which is that there is no

00:40:22.060 pipeline project across the north. There is no route. Uh, there is no proponent. Uh, there is no financing.

00:40:29.260 Uh, simply because, uh, the, uh, premier of Alberta would like to get rid of the oil tanker ban

00:40:35.820 on the north coast does not mean that anybody wants to build this pipeline. Uh, it would cost 40

00:40:41.420 to 50 billion dollars. Uh, it would, uh, require, um, uh, navigating a consensus at the provincial

00:40:50.300 and coastal first nations level that, uh, has a different approach to growing our economy by

00:40:55.180 developing our coast. And so, uh, I don't, I'll be blunt. Uh, I don't see any prospect

00:41:02.620 of a pipeline unless it is fully taxpayer funded and the federal government forces it through over

00:41:08.060 provincial and indigenous objections. So really making it very clear there that he

00:41:14.060 thinks that the only way it'll happen is if Carney like forces him by law to do it. I mean, there's

00:41:19.500 just so much garbage in that statement saying that we're going to grow our economy other ways. 0.81

00:41:23.100 I mean, you look at what's happening on British Columbia, the economy is not growing out there. 0.87

00:41:26.860 Okay. Like you're, you're trying to destroy your own industry. Like the thing that made Canada

00:41:32.300 developed wealthy is our natural resources and you want to keep them in the ground. It's, it's,

00:41:37.100 it's frustrating, uh, when that is the counterparty that you have to deal with. What do you think,

00:41:40.780 Wyatt? Well, it's like the logging sector, the harvesting of logs in British Columbia,

00:41:45.900 since the NDP took office has fallen by 43%. And we're not really in a scenario where like,

00:41:52.700 Oh, there's no more trees. People can't find trees in British Columbia anymore. And so it's falling

00:41:57.020 because of lack of supply. It's not exactly like the Buffalo hunt coming to an end because you just

00:42:01.580 can't find any. It's because they reduce the allowable cut. And so companies can only cut so

00:42:07.500 much and then sawmills close down. It was so bad. An MLA I work with in British Columbia asked the forest

00:42:14.700 minister, why they won't increase the allowable cut. And he says, well, that's the chief Forester's

00:42:18.940 decision. He appoints the chief Forester, but, but also I think even EB misspoke on that, uh,

00:42:25.020 particular, uh, in that press conference. Cause he said, the only way this is going to happen if it's

00:42:29.500 a fully taxpayer funded, I think he meant not taxpayer funded because, or else he's shifting the

00:42:34.300 goalposts. Cause previously he said he wanted it to be 100% private funded, knowing that that will

00:42:39.980 never happen with the tanker ban in place with C 69, the anti, uh, pipeline bill in place.

00:42:46.700 Obviously you're not going to get investment for something that is borderline impossible,

00:42:51.500 or it would cost multiple times more to do than building a pipeline in Texas or somewhere else

00:42:57.420 in the world. It's like wondering. That is what he was saying. Basically that we've made the business

00:43:03.100 case so impossible with all of our ridiculous regulations and bands that the only person stupid 0.99

00:43:08.300 enough to pay for a pipeline in Canada now would have to be the ones that are forced, 0.99

00:43:13.100 uh, compelled to do it because their government is forcing them. I think that was the point that

00:43:16.700 he was making. It's like the Eric Andre meme. If he just goes in and shoots the pipeline in the head

00:43:21.500 and then he's like, who killed the pipelines? Oh my goodness. Right. Well, and, and they just make 0.93

00:43:27.980 it ridiculous saying there has to be a consensus, right? So like basically anybody who wants a veto gets

00:43:32.540 it and, uh, not gonna happen. So I, again, I think Danielle Smith has her work cut out for 1.00

00:43:37.660 her trying to negotiate with this person. Um, hopefully Mark Carney will come back with her

00:43:41.820 deadline and we can move forward as a real country that has, you know, a plan to develop our economy

00:43:47.420 and create jobs for the people. Well, why I'd always appreciate your time and insight. Thanks so much

00:43:52.620 for joining us today. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. All right. That's Wyatt Claypool of the National

00:43:56.780 Telegraph folks. That's all the time we have for today. Thanks so much for tuning in. I'm Candace

00:44:00.060 Welcome. This is the Candace Welcome Show. Thank you. And God bless.

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