Juno News - November 05, 2025


Liberal Majority? Budget day is hijacked by Conservative floor-crossing… more to come?


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Summary

Candice Malan and her friend Brian Lilly break down the impact of a Conservative floor crossing in the House of Commons, and whether or not it may have set the stage for an early election. They're joined by the host of the show, Lanyadoo Unleashed, Brian Lylee.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
00:00:05.520 Folks, there is so much going on in Ottawa right now, so much in the political lane that
00:00:10.540 we have to get to.
00:00:11.440 Obviously, yesterday was a huge day with the budget, lots of speculation as to whether
00:00:15.520 this may trigger an early election, whether we may be back with, you know, potentially
00:00:21.060 fallen government back to an election.
00:00:23.920 I don't think that that's really the conversation anymore because the entire day was sort of
00:00:28.160 hijacked rather than talking about the budget, the spending, the sort of out-of-control Trudeau
00:00:32.260 era budget that we saw.
00:00:34.300 Instead, the news switched, and we started talking about floor crossings and whether or
00:00:37.940 not maybe Mark Carney might have the ability to scoop a majority government out of a minority
00:00:42.940 by having a couple of conservatives shockingly cross the floor, really not the way that we
00:00:47.820 expected the day to go yesterday.
00:00:49.880 And so to help me break this all down, I'm very pleased today to be joined by my friend
00:00:53.380 and political commentator, one of the best in the country, Brian Lilly, who writes
00:00:58.140 for the Toronto Sun, and he's a host of Lily Unleashed, no better person to help us understand
00:01:03.640 what is happening in Canadian politics.
00:01:06.140 So, Brian, welcome to the program.
00:01:07.500 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:01:09.080 Thanks for having me.
00:01:10.100 I mean, look, for political nerds like you and me, budget day is, you know, whoo, budget
00:01:15.800 day.
00:01:16.080 It's amazing.
00:01:16.680 We get to look at numbers and we got to figure out what the government's doing.
00:01:20.040 And then you add in a floor crossing.
00:01:21.640 It's like two Christmases in one.
00:01:24.980 Well, exactly.
00:01:25.760 It makes our job easier when there's a lot to talk about.
00:01:28.400 And I, you know, it went with the drama of the day yesterday because all of the journalists
00:01:32.600 are in lockup.
00:01:33.960 So when there's a budget, the government gives you an advanced copy of it.
00:01:37.200 You're sitting in a room.
00:01:37.980 They take away your phone so that you can't scoop them before the actual budget is read.
00:01:42.500 And so a lot of journalists were sort of caught flat footed by the news that ended up kind
00:01:46.500 of overwhelming the news of the day, which was this floor crossing.
00:01:50.920 So why don't we start with the budget and what the day was supposed to look like, which
00:01:55.460 is that Mark Carney tabled a $78 billion deficit, the largest deficit outside of the pandemic
00:02:02.920 in Canadian history.
00:02:04.600 And so, you know, for all of those people out there who voted liberal because they thought
00:02:08.140 they were going to get sort of a blue liberal or more of a fiscally conservative government,
00:02:12.140 I think that that is out the window.
00:02:13.860 I think this idea that Mark Carney came in, that they're going to invest.
00:02:17.340 They're going to invest, saying the same thing we've been hearing for a decade, Brian.
00:02:20.940 You know, when you're investing, you really expect there to be an ROI and some kind of
00:02:25.200 something to show for it, right?
00:02:26.420 Instead, what does Canada have?
00:02:28.120 Absolutely sluggish growth.
00:02:29.240 I think the second to worst in the OECD, declining GDP per capita, not good numbers in
00:02:35.580 the Canadian economy.
00:02:36.420 And yet, you know, we're back to the same solutions, which is just spend more money and hopefully
00:02:41.140 things will fall into place.
00:02:42.860 I think that's what the plan was.
00:02:44.140 What was your takeaway on the budget, Brian?
00:02:45.920 It was a missed opportunity, a great disappointment.
00:02:49.740 This was a budget that was, at the beginning, they were saying it was going to be an austerity
00:02:54.320 budget.
00:02:54.780 Then they moved to, we're going to spend less so we can invest more.
00:02:59.000 So we're going to suck and blow at the same time.
00:03:01.380 Then they were talking about generational transformation.
00:03:04.300 Look, Candace, I did not vote for the Mark Carney liberals.
00:03:07.840 I did not support what they were putting forward.
00:03:10.860 But when you hear a prime minister saying that we need to think big, act bigger, and move
00:03:15.760 at speeds not seen in generations, that we need generational transformation of our economy
00:03:20.140 so we can unleash our economy.
00:03:22.040 I'm thinking, okay, that sounds pretty good.
00:03:24.840 Do that.
00:03:25.700 I've been asking you to do that.
00:03:27.220 Do that.
00:03:27.900 Well, they didn't do it.
00:03:29.840 So it wasn't an austerity budget.
00:03:31.740 It wasn't a generational transformation budget.
00:03:34.100 It was a lot more of the same.
00:03:37.160 There are some good things in there, and I'm happy to talk about those, but let's talk
00:03:40.820 about this idea that so many in the media were putting forward saying, well, spending's
00:03:46.120 down.
00:03:46.460 He's going to control spending.
00:03:48.960 Really?
00:03:49.880 Look, there's one page that I go to in every budget, and I don't care who's in power.
00:03:54.420 I go to a page that is always headlined with a table called the summary statement of transactions.
00:04:00.940 For any of you watching, you can pull up the budget online in a PDF form, control F, summary
00:04:08.640 statement of transactions.
00:04:10.020 This will tell you the basis of what you need to know, and then from there, you go out and
00:04:13.940 you find all the goodies that they're either trying to give you or hide from you.
00:04:18.220 But the summary statement of transactions is, what's the deficit?
00:04:22.340 What are the public debt charges?
00:04:24.720 What's the government revenue?
00:04:26.140 Is it up or is it down?
00:04:27.120 Is spending up or down?
00:04:28.320 So let me give you the highlight numbers.
00:04:29.720 The annual spending deficit is up dramatically, $78.3 billion.
00:04:34.900 Now, in the previous budget that was released a year and a half ago, it's been that long
00:04:39.960 since we had a budget, the deficit for fiscal year 25-26 was projected to be $38.9 billion.
00:04:47.100 So the actual deficit is more than double what they projected in the last budget.
00:04:53.820 You say, okay, well, that was a long time ago.
00:04:55.740 Let's be fair to the government.
00:04:56.840 Well, last December, they released the fall economic statement, the one with the, was
00:05:01.200 it $61 billion deficit that Christy Freeland resigned over?
00:05:05.160 That projected that this fiscal year, we would have a $42 billion deficit.
00:05:10.480 No, it's $78.3 billion.
00:05:13.720 Now, revenue is down.
00:05:15.580 It was $511 billion last year.
00:05:17.560 It's $507 billion this year, down about $4 billion.
00:05:20.480 Total government spending is up $37.6 billion.
00:05:26.340 Program spending is up 7% to last year.
00:05:30.040 Now, we've been hearing Mark Carney say for a long time, Justin Trudeau was increasing
00:05:34.400 program spending by 8% to 9% a year.
00:05:37.340 That's unsustainable.
00:05:39.180 Well, if 8% to 9% is unsustainable, what's 7%?
00:05:42.100 And they've got these projections that, you know, five years from now, they'll have program
00:05:47.380 spending increases contained to 1% a year.
00:05:51.080 I don't believe any government's five-year projections.
00:05:54.600 I don't care who you are.
00:05:55.520 You can be Stephen Harper.
00:05:56.580 You can be Doug Ford.
00:05:57.800 You can be Danielle Smith.
00:05:59.000 I don't care.
00:05:59.940 All of you get it wrong.
00:06:01.080 And, you know, in fairness to them, it's very hard to predict what the economy will be doing
00:06:07.440 five years from now.
00:06:08.800 Sure, it's a worthwhile exercise, but I don't hold them to it.
00:06:11.800 And none of them ever meet it, especially the liberal governments.
00:06:14.660 They've been a disaster.
00:06:15.660 So you've got all of this going on.
00:06:17.880 And then the public debt charges, $55.6 billion.
00:06:23.180 $55.6 billion just to service the interest on the debt.
00:06:28.540 That is a real problem.
00:06:29.900 That is more than the federal government is spending on the Canada health transfer by a
00:06:33.400 billion a year.
00:06:35.000 The health transfer is going to grow to $65 billion over the next five years.
00:06:41.400 But the public debt charges are projected to grow to $76 billion.
00:06:45.600 So this gap in what we spend on health care compared to what we spend on interest on the
00:06:51.740 debt is only going to get wider.
00:06:54.580 Why does that matter?
00:06:55.380 Because the more we spend on public debt charges, the less we have to spend on the debt.
00:06:59.900 We spend on actual programs.
00:07:01.260 Like, why do we pay taxes?
00:07:02.540 So that we can get services from government.
00:07:04.400 We don't pay taxes so that we can send money to bankers that are holding our debt.
00:07:10.560 Well, it's absolutely right.
00:07:12.720 And, you know, it's one thing to get it wrong five years out because the economy really grew
00:07:16.720 or maybe there's a recession that you couldn't help.
00:07:18.820 But, you know, one year out, you'd think that they would have more accurate numbers.
00:07:21.740 And I get that there was technically a change of government, but it's still the liberals.
00:07:24.940 There's still a lot of the same people overlapping.
00:07:27.480 And so to get it off by that much, I want to play a quick clip of Prime Minister Mark Carney
00:07:33.880 speaking at a press conference in Ottawa.
00:07:35.700 And he says that the federal budget was prudent, that it managed to strike a responsible, pragmatic,
00:07:43.220 prudent way.
00:07:43.640 Let's play that clip.
00:07:44.140 We've put forward to the House a plan that meets the moment, that manages the federal finances
00:07:54.600 in a prudent, responsible, pragmatic way, gets spending down and creates this prospect
00:08:01.120 of investment on a scale that we haven't seen for generations.
00:08:06.840 Now, I want to just juxtapose that by saying what Pierre Pauly, a conservative leader, had
00:08:11.220 to say in question period, which was slamming this government, saying it is the most costly
00:08:16.060 and largest budget deficit in the history of our country outside of the pandemic.
00:08:21.940 Let's play that clip of Pauly in question period yesterday.
00:08:24.660 The liberals have introduced the most costly and largest budget deficit in history outside
00:08:30.880 of COVID.
00:08:32.060 The cost of this liberal budget will drive up the cost of food, housing and everything
00:08:37.640 else that Canadians buy.
00:08:38.920 And the Prime Minister has broken every single promise he made just seven short months ago.
00:08:45.180 He promised a $62 billion deficit.
00:08:47.900 He delivered nearly an $80 billion deficit, $16 billion bigger than he promised and twice
00:08:53.820 the size that his predecessor left behind.
00:08:56.720 He promised to spend less.
00:08:58.500 He's spending $90 billion more, costing $5,400 per family in Canada.
00:09:06.700 And that $90 billion, to the Prime Minister's heckles, is above and beyond the promised
00:09:12.160 $16 billion that he says he will one day find.
00:09:15.860 And if he doesn't find them, it will be over $100 billion in brand new spending.
00:09:19.960 This costly budget forces Canadians to spend more on debt interest than on health care
00:09:26.120 transfers.
00:09:26.700 More than the government collects in GST.
00:09:29.600 That means every dollar the Canadians pay in GST will go to bankers and bondholders instead
00:09:36.120 of to doctors and nurses.
00:09:38.020 So, Brian, I want to just mention a couple of other things that are tucked away in this
00:09:42.940 budget, including that the budget earmarked nearly $140 million for refugees and former
00:09:49.480 workers in order to get them onto a permanent residency fast track.
00:09:54.380 So, $120 million of new spending over the next four years, plus an extra $20 million to just
00:10:00.980 process, to spend, to process all of the basically backlog of applications that are sitting there
00:10:07.380 one-time measure to accelerate the transition of up to 33,000 work permits into permanent
00:10:12.980 residency.
00:10:13.860 So, I think what we're also seeing is an increase in immigration.
00:10:16.480 Liberals are doubling down on that.
00:10:18.220 It seems to me, Brian, that the way that they want to grow the economy is by growing the
00:10:22.360 government, the size of government is what they always do.
00:10:24.520 The best way to boost GDP is just to spend more money from the government.
00:10:27.640 It's the easiest way.
00:10:28.840 And then to also artificially boost our population, bring more people into the country, regardless
00:10:34.160 of whether we have a place to house them, whether there's actual jobs for these people,
00:10:37.780 but just bring in more people.
00:10:39.440 It just seems like, again, the same old stuff from this liberal government.
00:10:43.120 What do you think?
00:10:44.500 Well, on the immigration front, look, I'm the child of immigrants.
00:10:47.780 I grew up in a neighborhood full of immigrants, but there were people that followed the rules.
00:10:51.440 The liberals took the most successful immigration program in the Western world, in the developed
00:10:56.120 world, and destroyed it, including by encouraging people to come here and claim asylum when they
00:11:02.620 were economic refugees, economic migrants.
00:11:05.980 And I get wanting to move to another country for a better way of life, a better standard of
00:11:12.220 living.
00:11:12.520 That's what my parents did.
00:11:13.920 That's what so many Canadians did.
00:11:15.400 But they followed the rules.
00:11:16.500 They did it the right way.
00:11:17.560 They have to put these measures in place because the backlog is so large and because it's creating
00:11:23.420 all these problems.
00:11:24.560 And so they're trying to fix their own mess by creating another one.
00:11:28.320 This is a major issue.
00:11:31.180 They grew the GDP of the country for several years by just flooding the country with more
00:11:36.360 and more people.
00:11:37.460 To use the term that Justin Trudeau eventually used, bringing in people faster than we can
00:11:41.960 absorb them.
00:11:42.580 So that is not going to fix the economy.
00:11:45.880 Neither is growing spending.
00:11:48.440 A couple of good things that I'll say about the budget is, and these are not generational
00:11:53.900 transformations, which they should be, but this super deduction.
00:11:58.340 Yeah, that's a good idea.
00:11:59.440 And they're trying to say that that gives Canada the lowest marginal effective tax rate
00:12:05.860 for corporations of any G7 country.
00:12:08.600 Well, for one year, if you invest a ton of money, you get a one-year tax break.
00:12:13.600 The rest of the countries have moved to lower taxes, period.
00:12:16.600 That's what we should be doing.
00:12:17.840 We should be looking at total tax transformation, reducing the number of income tax brackets,
00:12:23.620 both personally and elsewhere.
00:12:25.360 We should be looking at those things.
00:12:26.980 Those aren't there.
00:12:27.900 They got rid of the 10% luxury tax on things like planes and private planes and yachts.
00:12:35.560 And folks might say, well, what does that matter?
00:12:37.540 Well, a company like Bombardier, which is now just making, they're no longer on the
00:12:43.200 government dole.
00:12:43.840 They're not getting handouts.
00:12:45.020 They make private jets for the global market.
00:12:47.740 They make jets that also work for the military.
00:12:50.200 But they haven't sold a single private jet in five years in Canada because the liberals
00:12:55.300 brought in this luxury tax.
00:12:57.080 So we're killing our own jobs.
00:12:59.200 There are thousands of people that make good money building these planes in Mississauga,
00:13:03.800 in Montreal.
00:13:05.200 And we're killing off our own jobs.
00:13:06.680 Why?
00:13:07.480 To virtue signal?
00:13:08.340 It doesn't bring in that much money, but it hurts the economy.
00:13:12.080 We had one boatmaker in Kelowna pack up shop and move to Texas because he just said, I can't
00:13:19.040 sell my boats like this.
00:13:20.660 I'll move to where I can sell boats and where I can make them.
00:13:23.480 We have to stop killing off our own economy.
00:13:25.880 There are things they could have done that didn't do.
00:13:28.300 And then, you know, there are silly things they did, like an extra 150 million to CBC and
00:13:33.980 a promise to try and get us into the Eurovision Song Contest.
00:13:37.880 I don't know about you, Candice, but I am really excited for Canada's entry into the Eurovision
00:13:43.180 Song debacle.
00:13:44.360 I don't know if you know much about Eurovision, Brian, but the entire thing is a debacle.
00:13:50.080 I mean, it's like a farce.
00:13:51.580 It's a joke.
00:13:52.160 I actually was backpacking through Europe, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago.
00:13:56.000 And my friend that I was backpacking with was like, hey, let's go to Eurovision.
00:13:59.040 So we bought tickets who were in Serbia and it was just an absolute circus.
00:14:04.180 Like nobody took it seriously.
00:14:05.200 And the music's horrible.
00:14:06.500 It's taken seriously by the people who are part of it.
00:14:08.700 And yes, it's not even just for Europeans.
00:14:10.460 They have all kinds of Middle Eastern countries and non-European.
00:14:13.020 But why is that a priority for Canadians?
00:14:15.640 It makes no sense.
00:14:16.620 And the music's horrible, I got to say.
00:14:19.040 Yeah, that's true.
00:14:19.580 I mean, Celine Dion was in it once.
00:14:21.180 She's fantastic.
00:14:22.120 ABBA's great.
00:14:22.720 Who doesn't love ABBA?
00:14:24.420 But outside of that, really?
00:14:26.260 Yeah, you're going back pretty far.
00:14:26.940 I think, you know, 20 years since anything relevant.
00:14:30.460 50 years for ABBA.
00:14:31.600 50, maybe, yeah.
00:14:32.620 Okay, well, I want to talk.
00:14:33.440 So this is what the Conservatives wanted to be talking about yesterday.
00:14:36.300 They released a pretty clever ad that was sort of going viral on X and social media.
00:14:41.660 They released this full house-style parody mocking the Liberals for basically just sounding
00:14:45.860 exactly like they've always sound with this lie that they say, we're not spending your
00:14:50.660 money.
00:14:50.860 We're investing your money for the future.
00:14:52.560 It's always the future.
00:14:53.900 That future never seems to come.
00:14:55.280 That return never seems to come.
00:14:56.480 But anyway, I'll play you just a part of this ad from the Conservative Party released
00:15:01.920 yesterday.
00:15:05.700 Why is the only Liberal plan to spend, spend, spend?
00:15:11.840 Mr. Speaker, the Liberal plan is to invest, invest, invest.
00:15:16.000 It is time to invest in the future of our country.
00:15:25.440 It has never been more appropriate to invest in the future of our country.
00:15:29.500 So I had a good chuckle and laughed about that, Brian.
00:15:30.940 That's why our economic plan, it is really at its heart about investing in Canadians.
00:15:40.780 That's what we're proposing to Canadians, generational investment in our future, man.
00:15:45.280 I'm a speaker.
00:15:45.680 We're not spending that amount of money.
00:15:47.120 We're not spending that amount of money.
00:15:49.460 We're investing that amount.
00:15:51.120 So I had a good chuckle and laughed about that, Brian, but really the whole thing was overshadowed
00:15:58.460 by the news of a Conservative MP crossing the floor.
00:16:01.820 I'm sure this is the last thing that Pierre Polyev wanted to deal with yesterday.
00:16:05.180 But news broke that Conservative MP Chris Dantremont had left the party to join the Liberals.
00:16:10.140 And interestingly, this news broke during the budget lockup by an American outlet, Politico.
00:16:15.500 They posted a scoop basically saying that there was rumors and that he said that he might,
00:16:20.540 he was thinking about it and considering it.
00:16:22.780 And, you know, as soon as that happened, I mean, you have the inside story, Brian.
00:16:26.220 So why don't you sort of tell us how it unfolded?
00:16:29.020 Well, Chris's name had been floating around for a while, along with others like Jean Godin
00:16:33.740 from an area just northeast of Quebec City.
00:16:38.300 Dominique Vien from Belle Chasse-Lévis, used to be Stephen Blaney's writing just south of Quebec City.
00:16:44.800 And these names kept floating around and Dominique had said, no, no, no, no, it's not going to happen.
00:16:51.840 And, you know, Chris just a few weeks ago was criticizing the Carney government for spending too much
00:16:57.100 and said, if you if you don't get it under control, things are only going to get worse.
00:17:00.300 And then on the day of the budget crosses the floor as they release a bigger spending budget.
00:17:05.500 I'll give a shout out to Politico.
00:17:06.860 I mean, they played this really well.
00:17:09.100 As you said, most of the media is in the lockup and there were two names on the byline.
00:17:14.620 I'm only going to remember Mickey, uh, the Jujic.
00:17:17.420 I hope I got her last name right.
00:17:18.620 Mickey, my apologies if I didn't.
00:17:20.380 And they're based in Ottawa and they cover Parliament Hill.
00:17:24.300 They got the whole newsletter playbook thing going and they scooped everyone while everyone
00:17:29.980 else is in the lockup.
00:17:31.100 They release it like just before question period that this is happening and everyone's looking
00:17:36.700 around going, what, what?
00:17:38.140 Come on.
00:17:38.780 Um, the, uh, you know, conservative leadership was scrambling.
00:17:43.340 Okay.
00:17:43.740 Are there others?
00:17:45.020 Cause they hinted that there were, uh, you know, Dominique Vien has since put out another
00:17:49.820 video saying I'm not crossing.
00:17:51.580 I listed her in my own sub stack, my newsletter yesterday, uh, as someone that whose name keeps
00:17:57.340 coming up, but the liberals have also been pushing ridiculous names like Michael Chong.
00:18:01.500 Michael Chong is never crossing the floor to the liberals.
00:18:04.540 That is not going to happen.
00:18:06.540 And, you know, I know folks are saying Chris Dantremont, well, he was always a liberal.
00:18:11.900 This is a guy who has been involved in federal and provincial conservative politics in Nova
00:18:17.100 Scotia going back decades at the federal and provincial level.
00:18:20.780 Uh, he'd been in, uh, I believe he was in the, the Nova Scotia PC government before.
00:18:26.060 This has shocked a lot of people in the conservative movement in Atlantic Canada.
00:18:30.220 Uh, he had wanted to be speaker.
00:18:33.100 The party didn't back him or for being speaker or deputy speaker.
00:18:37.580 And well, he had his nose out of joint over that.
00:18:41.020 I think that has to be part of it.
00:18:43.020 Was he completely in line with where Pierre Polyev is maybe, maybe not, but I, you know,
00:18:49.340 people shouldn't just dismiss him as saying, well, he was always a liberal.
00:18:52.220 Anyway, he wasn't, he was a long time conservative and he moved.
00:18:56.780 Does the party need more difficult to understand then, Brian?
00:19:00.700 Like, I don't understand someone who spends her career, spends her life working for a conservative
00:19:05.020 movement, believing in conservatism broadly, choosing to join that party, volunteer.
00:19:09.180 And then, and then changing all of a sudden over something personal.
00:19:13.020 Like I didn't get the position in the government that I wanted.
00:19:15.340 Rick Perkins, a former conservative MP from Nova Scotia posted on X that he had been speaking
00:19:22.620 with Don from on the weekend, who was complaining that he'd only won by 1% in the last election.
00:19:28.220 Things aren't going well in the riding.
00:19:30.060 Why even bother running?
00:19:32.380 Well, maybe he had an epiphany and thought, well, if I'm a liberal, I'll get reelected next time.
00:19:37.900 Look, it works for some people.
00:19:39.500 It doesn't for others.
00:19:41.020 These tend to be stories that last a day or two, and then they go away.
00:19:45.500 And, you know, whether it's Belinda Stronick, Bill Casey, Wajid Khan, Jenica Atwin, there's
00:19:51.740 so many of these I've covered over my career.
00:19:54.460 They don't make a massive difference.
00:19:56.380 The biggest one, of course, was Belinda Stronick,
00:19:58.540 in part because she was dating Peter McKay, deputy leader at the time.
00:20:02.460 I want to go to Ian Brody, former chief of staff, to Stephen Harper.
00:20:07.340 He wrote on social media.
00:20:08.700 He said, this is the second most consequential floor crossing in my lifetime, solidified the
00:20:12.700 new conservative party, began turning the clock on the Martin government, talking about what
00:20:17.980 you're referring to, which was Belinda Stronick crossing the floor from the conservatives over
00:20:24.140 to the liberals back in 2004.
00:20:26.540 Go back to the tweet here.
00:20:27.340 It says, hailed by reporters at the time as a coup for the grits, turned out to be anything
00:20:31.580 but because, of course, Martin's government didn't last much longer.
00:20:35.900 So, you know, if you think about the momentum, it seemed like Belinda Stronick jumping ship
00:20:40.140 and going to the liberals was going to secure Paul Martin and maybe, you know, a decade of
00:20:44.140 leadership for him as prime minister.
00:20:45.660 And then lo and behold, not too much later, everything flipped, everything fell apart.
00:20:50.380 And by 2006, Stephen Harper was prime minister.
00:20:53.260 So, I mean, if he's drawing that parallel, I'll take that.
00:20:56.300 If this seems like a win for Carney and then in the future, it'll turn out that, you know,
00:21:01.340 this isn't the win that you think.
00:21:03.020 What did you make of Brody's comments there, Brian?
00:21:05.740 Well, so I was on the hill at that time, as was was Ian running Stephen Harper's office.
00:21:10.460 And I was a radio reporter.
00:21:11.740 And, you know, in the spring of 2005, there was a real attempt to try and take down the
00:21:17.900 Martin government and the block and the NDP joined with the conservatives.
00:21:21.340 But then, you know, Belinda Stronick crossed the floor.
00:21:24.060 Chuck Cadman made his famous decision to vote with the government for his own personal reasons.
00:21:29.420 All of these things happening.
00:21:31.340 And it really felt like the wind was out of the sails.
00:21:34.140 OK, Paul Martin's going to stick around for a long time.
00:21:37.420 That was I'd have to check the dates.
00:21:39.820 But I think May 2005, the government fell in November 2005.
00:21:45.420 We had an election over Christmas.
00:21:47.260 And in late January 20 2006, Stephen Harper became prime minister and was there for a long time.
00:21:53.660 I've been saying for a while now that Mark Carney and his government can go one of two ways.
00:21:59.820 If they deliver, then Canadians will reward them.
00:22:03.100 You know, if they turn around the economy, if they figure out a way to calm the waters.
00:22:07.980 I mean, we are dealing with tariffs and trade uncertainty, and that is leading to economic
00:22:12.940 uncertainty.
00:22:14.140 If they find a way to calm the waters and turn things around and they deliver, then there's
00:22:21.020 a good chance they'll stick around for a long time.
00:22:23.340 But what is Mark Carney been doing since he became prime minister?
00:22:26.140 He has been overselling and under delivering.
00:22:29.420 And you and I are not alone in describing the budget this way.
00:22:32.940 Mainstream media is describing the budget that way, which is very problematic for him.
00:22:38.780 He was asked by the Globe and Mail at his news conference on Wednesday morning,
00:22:42.700 did you overhype this budget?
00:22:44.860 And like he literally did that in the air and then said, no, he hadn't.
00:22:50.700 Well, what's going on?
00:22:52.140 Like you keep saying you're going to get a deal.
00:22:55.740 You don't get a deal.
00:22:56.780 You keep saying that you're going to do a transformational budget.
00:22:59.580 You don't.
00:23:00.300 Eventually, if he doesn't deliver, he will become the next Paul Martin.
00:23:04.220 And what liberals are looking at right now and thinking, this is our savior.
00:23:08.860 We're going to be in government for a long time, will quickly fall apart.
00:23:12.380 Again, if he delivers, Canadians will reward him.
00:23:15.500 If he doesn't, I think in the new year, they're going to start turning on him.
00:23:19.180 Well, it's such an interesting perspective because it was a Hail Mary, right?
00:23:23.020 Like the liberals were totally written off and there was no chance they're going to form
00:23:26.220 government.
00:23:26.540 Pierre was the guy.
00:23:27.580 And so you can imagine when he was recruiting candidates across the country, everyone thought
00:23:31.260 that the conservatives were going to form a massive majority government because the
00:23:34.060 electorate was going to punish the liberals.
00:23:36.460 They found Mark Carney, pulled him in.
00:23:38.220 Canadians put some trust in him, but it's a high stakes situation, right?
00:23:40.700 It's like we trust you at a crisis, but you better deliver.
00:23:43.820 And so far, Brian, I don't think that he is delivering.
00:23:46.540 Thanks so much for your time and your analysis.
00:23:48.460 Always appreciate your opinions and ideas and your time, Brian.
00:23:51.020 Thank you.
00:23:51.420 Thank you.
00:23:52.140 All right.
00:23:53.580 I want to continue talking about the floor crossings and about this MP, Chris Dantremont.
00:23:58.140 I'm pleased to be joined by one of my favorite guests here on the Candace Malcolm show, Wyatt
00:24:02.540 Claypool.
00:24:03.100 Wyatt is a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph.
00:24:07.020 Wyatt, thank you so much for joining us here.
00:24:09.580 Absolutely.
00:24:10.620 Thanks for having me on, Candace.
00:24:11.740 Okay.
00:24:12.380 So what, I mean, what do you think of floor crossings?
00:24:14.460 I think this is one of the things that Canadians hate the most.
00:24:17.100 I saw Bill Canada CEO, Lucy Hargraves, who is a federal liberal, she posted online showing
00:24:22.540 a 2018 Angus Reid poll saying that four in 10 Canadians think that floor crossing should
00:24:26.860 be banned and that anyone who crosses the floor should have to sit as an independent.
00:24:33.260 People in Quebec are most opposed to floor crossing.
00:24:35.900 So I don't think Canadians like this idea that you can do this.
00:24:39.500 It almost seems like cheating, especially when we're this close to a majority, right?
00:24:45.740 Like there's three, he's Mark Carney, Prime Minister Carney is three seats away from forming
00:24:50.940 a majority.
00:24:51.500 And you're thinking, you know, maybe he can find three MPs out there.
00:24:54.540 He's already got one.
00:24:55.180 He only needs two more and then throw Elizabeth May in there.
00:24:57.980 And all of a sudden, you know, the tables could really flip.
00:25:00.380 So what are your thoughts on all that?
00:25:02.780 Well, maybe the most dangerous outcome is that just one more crosses the floor.
00:25:06.860 And then the kingmaker ends up being Elizabeth May for a couple of years.
00:25:10.780 You know, I think we all get chills thinking about that.
00:25:13.660 Like, you know, I can tell that we just passed Halloween a little bit ago, knowing that with
00:25:18.860 that possibility in the air, the one thing I would say right off the bat is I think that
00:25:23.420 the reaction to Chris D'Entremont leaving may actually be the thing that prevents anyone
00:25:29.580 else from leaving, because I think that when they realize that they're actually not going to
00:25:34.620 get the sort of easy win the next election that they think they're going to get because of how
00:25:39.260 much they're going to activate conservatives in their own riding, they may think twice.
00:25:43.740 This is actually something my friend Chris, not Chris D'Entremont, but Chris from the
00:25:48.220 Great Canadian Bagel Channel pointed out that he's whining about only winning his riding in
00:25:54.380 the last election by 1.1%.
00:25:57.340 But if you look at the history of that riding, that was an outlier result in part because the
00:26:02.860 NDP completely collapsed, as well as the Liberals having the most friendly news cycle to run on back
00:26:09.740 in April, they're not going to do as well in the next election in what has always been considered a
00:26:16.140 very default conservative riding, that being Acadianapolis. A lot of small fishing towns,
00:26:22.220 a lot of working class people. It got close just because of the news cycle and the elbows up stuff.
00:26:27.740 I don't think D'Entremont is going to have a very easy time being reelected. If anything,
00:26:31.820 I could actually see the guy getting completely smashed. And yes, this all does seem petty.
00:26:37.340 On the issue of floor crossing in general, though, there are two different floor crossings in my mind.
00:26:42.860 There is this one that is petty. It's really just for personal reasons. It has nothing ideological about
00:26:48.940 it. It's going to tick off your constituents. And there are some forms of floor crossing I'm okay with.
00:26:54.620 If a party or a leader just decides that we no longer stand for the things that we said we did
00:27:00.540 in the election. And then you said, well, I can't be here anymore. And you left. That's fine with me.
00:27:05.740 I think that this shouldn't be banned. I think that the social consequences that we're likely going to
00:27:11.340 see for D'Entremont in the next election are the proper consequences. Well, it does seem like career
00:27:17.180 suicide. And I was just talking about this with Brian Lilly. It's like, you know, if you spend your whole
00:27:21.340 career and maybe your life, like I know in Eastern Canada, a lot of people are the party that their
00:27:25.900 parents and grandparents and like their community and their family are a part of, like they don't
00:27:29.100 necessarily choose the parties. It's like their family is a conservative or their family is a liberal.
00:27:33.260 It just seems like a very drastic step to take. And it wasn't like, like the thing that I was hearing
00:27:38.060 from D'Entremont wasn't, oh, Pierre Polyev is too radical and he's too right wing. Like it wasn't really about that.
00:27:44.140 It was really just pragmatic and like, I'm mad because I didn't get this deputy speaker thing that
00:27:48.460 I wanted. I want to play a clip of this MP, Chris D'Entremont, um, saying basically just explaining
00:27:55.820 why, uh, sorry, this is, this is a clip from late September, um, saying that his constituents were
00:28:00.700 hurting under the Kearney government, warned that the liberal deficit would make things worse.
00:28:06.380 Instead of delivering relief, this government delayed its budget. So we're still waiting for a budget.
00:28:11.340 We haven't seen a budget in a year and a half. Why? Because it's projecting an over 92 billion dollar
00:28:17.420 deficit. That's a monstrous, irresponsible burden on future generations. We'll hear it. We'll hear it.
00:28:24.540 I'm sure maybe the questions that they're talking about a generational investment. But Mr. Speaker,
00:28:30.460 what it really is, is a generational debt that my kids, their kids and their kids' kids are going to
00:28:37.580 have to try to pay. I don't understand how you can say that about a liberal government and then join
00:28:41.660 them less than a month later. Anyways, uh, that was him just maybe a couple weeks ago. Here is Mark
00:28:46.620 Kearney, uh, speaking in Ottawa, thanking Chris D'Entremont for crossing the floor, calling the move
00:28:52.060 exceptionally valuable as he would. Here's that clip. I'd like to thank Chris D'Entremont, uh, the member for
00:28:58.620 parliament for Akedzie Annapolis. I'm honoured to welcome him as the newest member of our government
00:29:07.900 caucus. Chris's decision to join the government caucus at this crucial moment for our country
00:29:18.060 is exceptionally valuable and important.
00:29:19.820 So it seems like a solid move to me. Uh, there have been a lot of rumors and Brian mentioned
00:29:25.260 this and he, he wrote about a couple of other sort of Quebec area, uh, MPs. There was also a
00:29:30.860 crazy rumor spurring around. I don't want to, you know, give a hype to rumors that are unproven. Um,
00:29:35.900 but I did hear a couple of rumors, people texting me asking about Edmonton MP, uh, Matt Jenneru, um,
00:29:42.060 and potentially him cross the floor. That seems bizarre to me. I've known about Matt for a while and he
00:29:46.460 doesn't really seem like the type that would. Um, but for some reason, this, this rumor has been,
00:29:50.940 um, circulating while, um, global news reporter, Sarah Ryan sort of put that rumor to rest, uh,
00:29:57.500 on social media. She said that Edmonton MP Matt Jenneru's office tells me that despite the rumors
00:30:01.980 being circulated in Ottawa, MP Jenneru is not crossing the floor, adding that he is not leaving
00:30:07.660 the conservative party. So, um, that's a bit of an odd one. Uh, what, what do you make of that rumor?
00:30:13.420 And, and do you think that any more MPs will cross the floor? Um, I, I think that there could be,
00:30:19.420 I, I would not put it past being a coin toss. If another person leaves, do two more people leave?
00:30:25.180 I think that's unlikely because again, they are going to see the political consequences
00:30:28.860 for Chris Dantremont. Yes. In theory, he can think that the writing is going to keep going more liberal.
00:30:34.140 And if he crosses, it's easier next time, but it's one of those things where by trying to get,
00:30:39.660 you're trying to grasp what you want. In fact, you are not, it's going to slip through your fingers
00:30:43.420 because by doing this, it's going to activate every single conservative organizer in the area
00:30:47.980 to get rid of them. Uh, the, the funny thing with Matt Jenneru, the, uh, the, that's rumor there,
00:30:53.340 it actually kind of started from him having a X account that he doesn't really post on. And so his
00:30:59.500 posts were protected. Like he has a private account, you know, you can tag them on there. He probably uses
00:31:04.380 it to just monitor what's going on, but he doesn't like social media. I know tons of politicians who
00:31:09.660 hate social media. Uh, sometimes even younger politicians just don't like to use it. And
00:31:14.780 because Chris Dantremont, right before he made this decision, privated his account, that's what made
00:31:21.100 people assume that Matt had done the same move, even though that seems to have been something he did
00:31:25.900 well before Chris ever did something. Well, and I, yeah, I, the speculation also was that his, um,
00:31:34.060 his bio just says member of parliament doesn't say conservative member of parliament. So people are
00:31:37.500 just like reading in and trying to be a stealth reporters, but yeah, no, um, no word on that and
00:31:43.500 no verification. And, you know, I think it was a bit of probably of a disappointing news day for
00:31:47.660 Pierre Polyev because he thought, you know, this budget is a disaster, this huge runaway deficit.
00:31:51.820 They had that clever ad that they put out. And instead the entire conversation
00:31:55.740 was just sort of hijacked and everyone's talking about whether Pierre might lose his,
00:32:01.340 you know, minority government that, that, uh, sorry, that Carney might lose minority,
00:32:05.500 gain a majority. And I think that that would be really hurt harmful for Pierre Polyev. He's
00:32:11.100 facing a leadership review within his own party in January. Uh, what I want to ask you, why do you
00:32:16.700 think that Polyev is at risk? I know that there are some campaigns to get him removed. I think this
00:32:21.660 can't, couldn't have been a good news cycle for him based on the fact that he could be
00:32:25.500 shedding his own party. Um, how, how strong do you think his position as leader is right now?
00:32:30.780 Uh, if I was ballparking his percentage of the vote in a leadership review in favor of him,
00:32:37.100 I would put him between 75% to 95%. It could be any of those numbers. I know that actually varies
00:32:44.940 quite a bit. Uh, there are kind of like two factions of no poly of people. The people, the one
00:32:51.180 is Tim Houston and Doug Ford allies, people who just do not like his brand of politics. You know,
00:32:57.740 he's too populist. He should be doing this moderate red Tory way where you just promise very mild, uh,
00:33:05.180 change. And then for some reason that's going to make Canadians love you. This is actually why I did
00:33:09.580 like Aaron O'Toole's era of the conservative party. Cause it proved all those myths completely wrong.
00:33:14.220 Being just a listless moderate, in fact, makes people run away from you because they don't know
00:33:19.260 what to make of you because you don't represent much of anything. So that's one faction. And then
00:33:23.500 the second faction would be people who want internal governance reform, but it actually does look like
00:33:30.220 that may be the group of people who are more willing to cast another ballot in favor of poly of
00:33:36.140 to keep him around because people had a lot of problems with just the way the party was internally
00:33:41.100 run too many appointments in ridings before the election, too many scuffed nominations where
00:33:47.100 somebody was kicked out or somebody was basically assisted into the nomination. But the thing is
00:33:53.740 that at the same time, there was a lot more going on with national council and with all he has office,
00:33:59.500 him taking more direct control over that stuff and trying to shake the nonsense out. That was kind
00:34:04.620 of more of like a advisor, lower level kind of staffer scheme where, you know, that staffer,
00:34:10.300 that advisor may try and get their friend in. And if he cracks down on that, I think that you would
00:34:14.540 actually have a lot more people be willing to say yes to him. But I don't see a scenario where
00:34:19.900 it's going to be like 70% or like a Bonnie Crombie 58% outcome.
00:34:26.140 Well, it's interesting just that you mentioned that because I know that you were involved in your
00:34:29.740 own battle and there was a lot of complaints that the party was tightly run, that they didn't let
00:34:34.380 the true candidate selection democracy happen. And yet, to me, that makes it even more surprising.
00:34:39.820 Because they control the nomination process so heavily, how do you have MPs crossing the floor?
00:34:44.700 I mean, presumably, you know, they made these people swear allegiance and they were recruiting
00:34:50.620 people who would stay loyal to conservatism and to Polyev as leader. It didn't seem they'd do that. I
00:34:56.620 would just add one more group of people. And that is members of the base that were just disappointed
00:35:01.100 by Polyev's election performance, people who thought that he was caught flat footed when it
00:35:05.900 came to Trump, that he was just trying to echo the liberals too much, you know, for all of this,
00:35:11.100 I'm a fighter, I'm going to, you know, come out and defend conservative values. I see a lot of people,
00:35:16.940 a lot of people I talked to a lot of people online, just, you know, he just didn't bring it. And he and
00:35:21.340 he did kind of, like, go soft on some of his core conservative positions. I don't think that,
00:35:28.140 I don't think it's enough to oust his leader, I think deserves another shot. And I think that
00:35:32.060 a lot of these other people think that but I do hear voices sort of from the right saying,
00:35:36.540 you know, we didn't we didn't really get the red meat, we didn't really get a strong conservative
00:35:40.540 performance last election. And, you know, hoping that maybe there's someone better out there.
00:35:44.620 I don't know if there is, but that that's, that's also what I'm hearing.
00:35:47.980 Well, and the problem and the good thing, though, is because I would be one of those people saying,
00:35:53.340 too soft on immigration, you needed a more fiscally hawkish platform, when I think I've
00:35:59.100 even repeated this on your show before, when the liberals are saying, I'll give you a one percent
00:36:02.780 tax cut under $50,000. And you're like two and a quarter. It's like, who cares? That doesn't mean
00:36:08.140 anything. Reduce tax across the board by 20% or don't bother with it, because nobody even detects
00:36:13.900 that on their radar that you're doing that. And then on some other issues, yes, like Trump,
00:36:18.060 trying to a little bit too much like the liberals. But this is where I give him credit,
00:36:23.180 post election, unlike many other leaders who lose, he didn't just tighten the inner circle around him
00:36:28.940 and demand that everyone keeps supporting him. And I'm I know what I'm doing. He actually got much
00:36:33.340 better on the issues as ardent his position on fiscal issues on immigration on culture issues.
00:36:40.220 So I think that's a good sign. That's where he's actually, you know, able to listen to criticism,
00:36:46.220 take it in and then improve from it, which, you know, again, to contrast with Aaron O'Toole is 10,000
00:36:52.060 times better.
00:36:53.740 Well, that's exactly right. Okay, I want to go back to the budget just quickly, because you're
00:36:57.100 an Alberta guy. And there was a bit of a talk about possibly eliminating the oil and gas emissions cap.
00:37:05.340 This is a line straight from the budget. Canada's committed to bringing down emissions associated
00:37:09.180 with the production of oil and gas, effective carbon markets, hence oil and gas methane regulations,
00:37:13.580 and the deployment at scale of technologies such as carbon capture and storage would create the
00:37:17.420 circumstances whereby an oil and gas emissions cap, this is the important part, would no longer be
00:37:22.700 required, as it would have marginal value. So there is some talk of possibly Carney, you know,
00:37:30.460 scrapping the emissions cap, also some talk about, you know, we want this pipeline, we want
00:37:34.780 more oil getting to market, how are we going to get a pipeline through British Columbia, just moments
00:37:40.460 ago, speaking at a presser in Vancouver, BC Premier David Eby said that there will be no pipeline project.
00:37:47.580 And that basically, you know, Danielle Smith trying to get rid of the oil tanker ban off the West Coast,
00:37:55.420 and not going to happen. So I mean, fighting words, I know Danielle Smith has set a deadline for her
00:38:00.060 demands to mark Carney by Grey Cup, which is November 16. So there's a lot a lot at play here.
00:38:06.860 What do you think of all this? Well, on the pipeline issue, and the cap issue, I guess the cap
00:38:13.180 could be a good thing or bad thing. Again, two different scenarios here. The one is that is the
00:38:18.780 spending requirements on oil and gas companies to basically bypass the cap going to be so stringent,
00:38:25.340 it basically is a completely neutral decision that if you require if the cap is losing companies
00:38:31.100 billions of dollars, but you say, Okay, we'll get rid of the cap, but you have to spend billions of
00:38:35.180 dollars. It really depends on what the companies have to do in order to be able to eliminate the cap.
00:38:40.700 If it's that they can make some small scale investments in carbon capture,
00:38:44.140 and whatever, and then they can get rid of the cap and they can make billions more,
00:38:48.460 then that's a good thing. But the second problem, the second part of this issue is that without
00:38:53.740 pipelines, without the ability to export oil and gas products, well, you can ramp up your actual
00:38:59.820 production, but then just be stockpiling and have nowhere to actually send it to because we'll be at
00:39:05.660 capacity in terms of oil and gas products that we're selling into our own country, as well as into the
00:39:11.740 United States. And the thing that the complete farce of that press conference that E.B. did today
00:39:17.260 and what he did the previous day, he was seen with Grand Chief Stuart, uh, Philip, who quite literally
00:39:25.660 is the husband of an NDP MLA. And E.B. basically used that guy to launder the anti-pipeline position
00:39:34.140 where he came out and said, Well, you know, the problem is for indigenous people, a pipeline is a
00:39:38.620 non-starter. It's like, Oh, wow. Who could have guessed that this guy married to one of David E.B.'s
00:39:43.980 colleagues thought that. And then that's the reason that's what E.B. is saying, wrapped in his
00:39:49.340 blanket saying, Oh, it's a non-starter. We can't do it. We need to protect our forests. Indigenous
00:39:54.620 people told me, i.e. my colleague's husband told me. Right. Well, let's, let's play the clip. So folks
00:40:00.620 know what we're talking about here is the scene. And I mean, even just the backdrop that, you know,
00:40:04.780 the people, the way that E.B.'s dress, wearing some kind of an indigenous garb here, it's, it's all,
00:40:09.660 it's all sort of cosplaying. But anyway, let's play this clip. I'll point out, uh, uh, what is obvious
00:40:15.100 to me and, uh, and has yet to fully sink in, uh, for some, uh, individuals, which is that there is no
00:40:22.060 pipeline project across the north. There is no route. Uh, there is no proponent. Uh, there is no financing.
00:40:29.260 Uh, simply because, uh, the, uh, premier of Alberta would like to get rid of the oil tanker ban
00:40:35.820 on the north coast does not mean that anybody wants to build this pipeline. Uh, it would cost 40
00:40:41.420 to 50 billion dollars. Uh, it would, uh, require, um, uh, navigating a consensus at the provincial
00:40:50.300 and coastal first nations level that, uh, has a different approach to growing our economy by
00:40:55.180 developing our coast. And so, uh, I don't, I'll be blunt. Uh, I don't see any prospect
00:41:02.620 of a pipeline unless it is fully taxpayer funded and the federal government forces it through over
00:41:08.060 provincial and indigenous objections. So really making it very clear there that he
00:41:14.060 thinks that the only way it'll happen is if Carney like forces him by law to do it. I mean, there's
00:41:19.500 just so much garbage in that statement saying that we're going to grow our economy other ways.
00:41:23.100 I mean, you look at what's happening on British Columbia, the economy is not growing out there.
00:41:26.860 Okay. Like you're, you're trying to destroy your own industry. Like the thing that made Canada
00:41:32.300 developed wealthy is our natural resources and you want to keep them in the ground. It's, it's,
00:41:37.100 it's frustrating, uh, when that is the counterparty that you have to deal with. What do you think,
00:41:40.780 Wyatt? Well, it's like the logging sector, the harvesting of logs in British Columbia,
00:41:45.900 since the NDP took office has fallen by 43%. And we're not really in a scenario where like,
00:41:52.700 Oh, there's no more trees. People can't find trees in British Columbia anymore. And so it's falling
00:41:57.020 because of lack of supply. It's not exactly like the Buffalo hunt coming to an end because you just
00:42:01.580 can't find any. It's because they reduce the allowable cut. And so companies can only cut so
00:42:07.500 much and then sawmills close down. It was so bad. An MLA I work with in British Columbia asked the forest
00:42:14.700 minister, why they won't increase the allowable cut. And he says, well, that's the chief Forester's
00:42:18.940 decision. He appoints the chief Forester, but, but also I think even EB misspoke on that, uh,
00:42:25.020 particular, uh, in that press conference. Cause he said, the only way this is going to happen if it's
00:42:29.500 a fully taxpayer funded, I think he meant not taxpayer funded because, or else he's shifting the
00:42:34.300 goalposts. Cause previously he said he wanted it to be 100% private funded, knowing that that will
00:42:39.980 never happen with the tanker ban in place with C 69, the anti, uh, pipeline bill in place.
00:42:46.700 Obviously you're not going to get investment for something that is borderline impossible,
00:42:51.500 or it would cost multiple times more to do than building a pipeline in Texas or somewhere else
00:42:57.420 in the world. It's like wondering. That is what he was saying. Basically that we've made the business
00:43:03.100 case so impossible with all of our ridiculous regulations and bands that the only person stupid
00:43:08.300 enough to pay for a pipeline in Canada now would have to be the ones that are forced,
00:43:13.100 uh, compelled to do it because their government is forcing them. I think that was the point that
00:43:16.700 he was making. It's like the Eric Andre meme. If he just goes in and shoots the pipeline in the head
00:43:21.500 and then he's like, who killed the pipelines? Oh my goodness. Right. Well, and, and they just make
00:43:27.980 it ridiculous saying there has to be a consensus, right? So like basically anybody who wants a veto gets
00:43:32.540 it and, uh, not gonna happen. So I, again, I think Danielle Smith has her work cut out for
00:43:37.660 her trying to negotiate with this person. Um, hopefully Mark Carney will come back with her
00:43:41.820 deadline and we can move forward as a real country that has, you know, a plan to develop our economy
00:43:47.420 and create jobs for the people. Well, why I'd always appreciate your time and insight. Thanks so much
00:43:52.620 for joining us today. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. All right. That's Wyatt Claypool of the National
00:43:56.780 Telegraph folks. That's all the time we have for today. Thanks so much for tuning in. I'm Candace
00:44:00.060 Welcome. This is the Candace Welcome Show. Thank you. And God bless.