Juno News - Liberal MP pushing Trudeau to recognize ＂Palestinian state＂

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00:01:32.200 things at a bit of a different time today it's been a wacky week for reasons i have discussed

00:01:36.500 with the big book launch but uh let me just do the shameless plug right out of the gate today

00:01:41.520 pierre polyev the story that i wrote the biography that i wrote of the conservative

00:01:46.380 leader and prospective prime minister is released. So you can pick up your copy of Pierre Polyeva

00:01:51.940 Political Life on Amazon from your local bookstore. And oh, there you go there. Thanks, Sean. Always

00:01:56.700 good to get the full there. Anytime you spend not looking at me, I think the show probably improves.

00:02:01.700 But that is officially out today. And I've been doing lots of interviews, including on CBC. Talk

00:02:06.300 about going into the belly of the beast. But I had a great interview yesterday on power and politics.

00:02:11.340 We're going to talk about all the controversial stuff on the show today. We'll talk about Canada's

00:02:15.160 military spending, going to talk about recognition of a Palestinian state. But let's start with

00:02:20.800 something that can unite us all, beer. Now, my friend Grant Dingwall has been in the trenches

00:02:26.580 on this fight for many, many years now. He founded some years back a campaign called

00:02:30.960 Free My Booze, which, as the name suggests, is the noble calling. It's not a call for free booze,

00:02:36.900 but it's a call for liberated booze, letting alcohol be sold in convenience stores, beer and

00:02:42.500 wine. And in the Ontario context, the beer store has this massive, massive oligopolis effect

00:02:48.800 that has disadvantaged consumers in more ways. Well, my friend Grant is finally getting what

00:02:55.040 he wants. Premier Doug Ford has expedited the long plan rollout of beer and wine to convenience

00:03:01.620 stores. So I figured we'd have Grant on to talk about this. Good to talk to you, sir. Thanks for

00:03:05.580 coming on today thanks so much for having me on so let's let's explain for non-ontarians first off 1.00

00:03:12.380 what the heck is the beer store and why has it had such an outsized influence in the retail market

00:03:18.620 yeah so basically in uh 1927 ontario ditches prohibition the government says we don't know

00:03:27.340 what to do with beer we you know what do we do with this new market and they called on uh the

00:03:33.140 brewers in Ontario at the time to start a store. And they said, you guys can sell beer, we'll sell

00:03:37.340 liquor, that's how we'll deal with it. And as time went on, those brewers didn't let new brewers in,

00:03:44.040 they kept ownership themselves. And those brewers were more and more successful, they brought,

00:03:50.380 you know, they sort of gained their stranglehold stronger and stronger. Eventually, they all got

00:03:57.240 sold to foreign multinational interests. And then, you know, here we were in the 2000s with

00:04:04.400 a store that was owned by three multinational breweries, and it had the unique privileges to

00:04:11.700 sell beer to consumers in Ontario, even privileges over the LCBO. So they were allowed to sell six

00:04:20.140 packs and 24 packs, but the government-run liquor stores weren't allowed to sell those because the

00:04:25.620 beer store had unique privileges. Whenever the topic of the LCBO and the beer store have come up,

00:04:32.480 what's always astonished me is that the arguments in favor of them are just so terrible and they're

00:04:38.460 so fictitious. The LCBO believes that if you let anyone else sell alcohol, babies are going to be

00:04:45.000 walking around with bottles of whiskey and people are going to be getting into car accidents and

00:04:48.920 drunk driving is going to go through the roof. To use Pierre Polyev's language of the gatekeepers,

00:04:54.180 These are people that believe that they must be the gatekeepers of alcohol, otherwise all hell will break loose. And I've yet to hear a legitimate defense of these things.

00:05:04.360 I mean, there isn't one, right? You know, this is how beer is sold everywhere in the world outside a handful of US states and a handful of Canadian provinces. So I guess to finish the history lesson, because I think it's instructive in that respect, in 2012 to 2015, sort of in that period, it came out that the Ontario government had signed this hidden deal with the beer store.

00:05:32.560 and the details that deal got out and pressure got put on the ontario government to do something

00:05:39.060 so what they did was they signed a 10-year deal with the beer store in 2015 that dictated the

00:05:46.720 terms publicly so basically they brought it out of the shadows they said the hidden deal is no more

00:05:51.420 here's a new deal that we're signing for 10 years and as part of that deal we got beer and wine in

00:05:57.500 300 grocery stores in ontario no convenience stores those were still taboo uh but we got it

00:06:04.680 in 300 grocery stores and later 450 um but that sort of killed the moral argument right like

00:06:11.720 if these 300 grocery stores are acceptable by the moral police uh then why not the other 3 000

00:06:23.020 grocery stores that existed in Ontario, right? Why are these 10% good and the other 3,000 bad?

00:06:29.660 And they never had an answer to that. And that was sort of, that's what put the writing on the

00:06:34.260 wall, right? That we were eventually going to be successful because the status quo was so

00:06:39.880 nonsensical at that point. They'd given up their moral arguments. So now what?

00:06:44.620 I haven't looked at the comments on YouTube, which generally speaking,

00:06:48.560 carries some risks if you do. But when I've talked about this issue in the past,

00:06:52.140 it's not uncommon to get some variation of, oh, sure, there are bigger issues to talk about.

00:06:56.720 Why are you wasting time on this? And I've never liked that because you can walk and shoot gum as

00:07:01.380 a government and as a media enterprise. I mean, you have to be able to talk about war in the

00:07:05.660 Middle East and you have to be able to talk about the little things that affect people. But why does 0.98

00:07:09.420 this matter? So for me, it just mattered because it was so, so profoundly stupid, right? Like I was 1.00

00:07:16.240 25 and i was bored when i launched free my booze uh but it was for me it was a sign of government 0.99

00:07:23.040 overreach and government stupidity that was just so in our face every day you know uh before we

00:07:30.900 launched free my booze before the the reform started rolling out uh you were unable to buy 0.99

00:07:37.660 beer at 6 p.m on a sunday anywhere in the province there wasn't a single place in this province where

00:07:43.220 could go and buy a beer at 6.01 pm to take home uh and you know in the middle of summer it's broad

00:07:50.420 daylight you know it's like but but we had all these holdovers from the past uh and they were

00:07:56.900 just uh they were just like annoying for no reason there was no justification we were needlessly

00:08:03.060 inconveniencing consumers needlessly inconveniencing uh businesses you know holding back economic

00:08:09.620 growth for what, right? So it was just a sign of how stupid things were. And it was something that 1.00

00:08:18.200 I thought we could win if I put my effort into it. So now I know that the criticism coming from

00:08:24.780 these newfound fiscal hawks in the NDP and the liberals in Ontario are that, you know, this is

00:08:30.240 going to cost $225 million to do what Doug Ford is doing here. What's your make on that? Because

00:08:35.580 they've basically expedited it and there is a cost to that yeah so look i mean ford is doing

00:08:40.940 kind of what i want but not how i want it right uh and that's been that's been true every step

00:08:46.100 of the way on this uh unfortunately i don't get to write all government policy i wish i did

00:08:50.420 i'm sure you you can share that that uh misery um but look from my opinion i i think when ford

00:08:56.980 came in he should have just signed legislation that killed the deal uh there was people that

00:09:00.980 didn't want to do that because they said it's a bad sign to business uh you know for the government

00:09:05.120 to renege on its deals. I was of the opinion that deals that are signed in bad faith that have

00:09:11.460 no benefit to anyone in the province don't have a reason to exist. But they didn't do it. They

00:09:16.500 decided to negotiate with the beer store. They decided they wanted to work within the legislation,

00:09:21.220 work within the law rather than change the law. So that meant we had to wait until 2026 originally.

00:09:28.900 And now they've gone back and negotiated further and said, we're going to move this ahead.

00:09:33.060 um but unfortunately you know negotiating with a multi-billion dollar conglomerate

00:09:40.160 uh has a price uh and that price is going to be apparently 225 million dollars

00:09:45.840 uh the ndp and liberals are sort of claiming that there's additional costs they're like oh well

00:09:51.900 the wholesale discount is another giveaway to these corporations um and i think most of that

00:09:58.520 is nonsense i mean wholesale pricing exists in every industry of course it's going to exist in

00:10:03.260 alcohol um so they keep trying to throw this billion dollar figure around and i've looked

00:10:08.420 at those numbers and i don't think they hold up uh but yeah there is the cost of 225 million

00:10:13.740 and that's because kathleen wynn the liberal premier signed a 10-year deal uh to excuse the

00:10:20.820 language to screw us uh for 10 years and ford wants to get out of it early um that's where

00:10:27.960 we're at. Yeah. And I think it needs to be pushed back at them. So yeah, well, this only happens

00:10:33.160 because of your party and what your party did. So this idea that all of a sudden the Ontario

00:10:37.440 Liberal Party cares about government spending is delightfully quaint for anyone who was around

00:10:41.920 during the Dalton McGinty, Kathleen Wynne era. Well, I know you've been plugging away at this

00:10:46.540 for a while. So congratulations on the Wynne grant. I appreciate your time today.

00:10:50.440 Thanks so much for having me on. All right. Yeah. The little things matter. I mean,

00:10:53.900 if we can't unite on being able to buy beer. So I actually, confession to you all, when I was in

00:10:58.980 university, I took a job at the LCBO, which is the state-owned liquor store. Now, I hated it then.

00:11:04.760 I was against it then. But when you're 19 and someone is paying you like $25 an hour to be a

00:11:10.400 cashier, the principles start to waffle a little bit. So I'm like, well, I can take it down from

00:11:16.920 within. I didn't take it down from within. I just cashed my paycheck and that was that.

00:11:20.300 But the point was, is that it was always just an inherently ridiculous enterprise.

00:11:24.940 So I'm glad that the monopoly is slowly but surely getting chipped away.

00:11:28.660 Well, I said we talk about the big and the small here.

00:11:30.580 Let's go to one of the bigger ones, because Canada's back.

00:11:34.000 Do you remember that?

00:11:34.600 It was Justin Trudeau's bold proclamation when he was elected that Canada's place in

00:11:38.740 the world was going to be secured.

00:11:40.740 Well, now we are being chided by our allies for not spending enough on defense.

00:11:46.680 A letter from 23 senators was urging Canada to meet its NATO benchmark of spending 2% of GDP on

00:11:54.320 defense. Canada has still at this point not made significant moves towards that. Richard Shamuka

00:12:00.480 is a senior fellow with the Macdonald-Laurier Institute and joins me now. Richard, good to

00:12:04.940 talk to you. Thanks for coming on today. Thanks for having me. So first off, explain why this

00:12:10.160 target matters because Canada is not alone in falling short in some countries well below that

00:12:16.620 target? Well, we're certainly in the bottom area. And even our ambassador from the United States

00:12:21.140 has just recently said that in a public statement. But it's important for a bunch of reasons. The

00:12:28.120 actual target number may not be as relevant. It's really a benchmark that has been agreed to by all

00:12:34.420 NATO states to sort of have a threshold by which states kind of reach that number. And

00:12:40.860 when you hit 2%, what generally happens is that you start having enough funding to sort of cover

00:12:48.580 all the major bases of defense. So you're talking about the equipment purchases, the operations

00:12:53.920 and sustainment numbers, and also your personnel. And it allows for basically a sustainable level

00:13:02.720 of defense output within a country. And for Canada, we've really missed that for over several

00:13:10.420 decades, I should say. And especially in the last 10 years, we've at the very bottom, we hit about

00:13:16.760 1% just as the Harper era ended. And we've seen a ramp up of the funding since but a lot of that

00:13:23.040 money has not really gone towards basically capital purchases. So rehabilitating are the

00:13:29.600 equipment by which the military utilizes. And had we hit 2%, we generally start seeing the numbers

00:13:35.660 sort of come to alignment where you start seeing a regular replacement schedule for equipment

00:13:39.700 that would allow for the military to have a newer,

00:13:43.920 more sort of less expensive operation and management costs

00:13:47.300 that are associated with actually operating defense.

00:13:50.080 Yeah, it's certainly how the money is spent matters.

00:13:52.780 I mean, theoretically, you could, you know,

00:13:54.240 blow your billions of dollars on, you know,

00:13:56.300 DEI consultants and, you know, workplace training

00:13:59.220 and, you know, technically spend 2% of your GDP on the defense,

00:14:01.960 but you're not talking about substantive investment there.

00:14:05.000 And in Canada, I feel Canada must have one of the worst track records

00:14:08.020 in NATO for defense procurement, just in terms of how long it takes and how

00:14:12.400 insanely convoluted a process it is. And that can't be helping us.

00:14:16.680 Certainly, it's among the worst. And one of the big sort of factors that you look at is that

00:14:21.280 there's a there's another threshold, the 20% threshold for actual capital purchases. And

00:14:26.460 in the last defense policy update, they actually did say that they're going to hit the 20%

00:14:31.380 threshold. The reality is that if you look at some of the more serious members of NATO,

00:14:35.040 they will actually hit around 30%.

00:14:36.920 So that's the United Kingdom, France, and the United States.

00:14:40.440 And that's where you start seeing actually become more operation relevant.

00:14:44.880 You have newer equipment that isn't around 20 to 30 years of age.

00:14:49.680 You're looking at equipment that's starting to come around 10 years, maybe 15 years.

00:14:54.740 And so if you, but our system, as you sort of point out,

00:14:58.020 it's been really not been able to sort of deliver systems within reasonable timeframes, right?

00:15:03.860 So if you think about, we've just recently announced that we're going to purchase a new drone system, the MQ-9.

00:15:10.660 It's taken basically 17 years for the government to go from initial conception of the project to deciding and announcing a purchase.

00:15:19.000 And it's going to take another four some years to actually get it into service or initial operating capability.

00:15:24.380 Most countries have done that in under four years, the whole system.

00:15:27.480 And the MQ-9, the RPAS system is, you know, it's a bit of an outliner.

00:15:32.000 But if you look at most of our other programs, they tend to take one to two to three years longer than what they should.

00:15:38.940 And as a result, we sort of keep older systems into service for longer.

00:15:43.780 And that, again, increases the operating costs of the military.

00:15:47.300 And that actually makes this system much less efficient overall.

00:15:51.820 So let's talk about the America component here.

00:15:54.880 The United States is a country whose military is very well integrated with Canada's on a number of things.

00:16:00.440 we share intelligence, we share air defense, we are obviously allies in NATO. So what does it mean

00:16:06.440 when Canada is getting really notably reprimanded by American politicians?

00:16:13.260 So this has been coming for a while. You've heard, there's been basically a lot of grumblings that

00:16:18.940 the Americans have gone privately to Canada and have said, this is not acceptable. And as you

00:16:24.480 note, Canada's in a really unique position where, because we're part of NORAD, we're basically,

00:16:29.400 we have a binational command where our, basically our military forces and their military forces

00:16:35.660 operate shoulder to shoulder in a single unified command system. So the US has a very unique

00:16:42.520 situation where they're able to, they actually spend their money on our defense. 60% of NORAD

00:16:48.620 spending is actually American spending. So they have a real interest to see our security as well

00:16:55.680 their security properly paid for and that's why you're seeing you know 23 senators some of some

00:17:01.200 pretty significant names within uh both caucuses like tammy duckworth who's a major senator for the 1.00

00:17:06.800 democratic party come out and say this is just just not acceptable and you don't see this happen

00:17:11.040 very often and that's largely because the sort of the complaints that have been stated consistently

00:17:16.640 through wide variety of places is they feel just not been heated and they finally came out and said

00:17:22.480 it in public so let's talk about where this goes from here i mean obviously governments are going

00:17:30.080 to have to spend a lot of money at a time when the canadian government doesn't have all that money

00:17:34.960 to fix this and even for a conservative government to come in there's a there's a risk attached to

00:17:40.080 saying we're going to spend that much so politically where do you see this going

00:17:45.280 my best guess is that even if you had a new government come in they're going to look at

00:17:49.120 the system itself and say as we were just talking about the procurement system that it needs reform

00:17:54.400 like serious reform and the the sort of the spending that we pour into this with some

00:17:59.680 exceptions will probably not be spent quickly enough or effectively enough so i i don't foresee

00:18:06.960 in the near future even if there was a new government that there would be vast changes to

00:18:10.720 how defense is defense is sort of the money that's allocated defense and if you look at how the

00:18:17.360 Liberal government is sort of allocated spending. A large portion of this is backloaded past 2028,

00:18:22.000 2030 or something like that. There are some big purchases coming through. The CSE are the new

00:18:27.520 frigates that will replace the Halifax class, which are now at 30 years of age, are going to,

00:18:32.160 is going to start ramping up pretty soon. But there's a whole bunch of other systems,

00:18:36.480 and it's really the sort of unsexy, sort of in-between stuff, that kind of the connectivity

00:18:41.680 that's going to be, that's really actually revolutionizing warfare going on. And those

00:18:45.680 systems really require a new way of actually thinking about defense and operating defense if

00:18:50.240 you look at our allies like the united states and united kingdom they're starting to make major

00:18:54.160 reforms around this so my guess is that you probably wouldn't see much of a deviation from

00:18:59.120 the white paper but certainly you would see a spending you you may see some real efforts

00:19:05.040 are trying to reform the system in order to make it better when we actually have to put money into

00:19:10.480 into it that we get better results than what we're getting now all right well it's a fascinating

00:19:15.420 topic let's hope some common sense prevails here richard shamuka senior fellow with the

00:19:20.280 mcdonald lorry institute thank you so much richard thanks for having me all right that was uh great

00:19:24.820 to hear always good to talk about uh defense spending the one area where governments uh are

00:19:29.320 more justified in spending and never seem to want to oddly enough instead we get all sorts of

00:19:34.760 insanity on the balance sheet elsewhere. Well, I did say from the outset, we want to talk about

00:19:40.800 the big picture issues here. One of the things that I find so, I don't want to say surprising

00:19:46.260 because I'm really not all that surprised by it, but certainly upsetting has been the world

00:19:51.060 turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism. This has been the new normal at university and college 0.99

00:19:57.480 campuses across Canada and the US. And then of course, in the wake of the October 7th terror

00:20:03.340 attacks by Hamas against Israel, we saw just last week, Ireland, Norway, and Spain say they are

00:20:10.160 going to announce, they have announced a recognition of a Palestinian state. Now, this is something that

00:20:17.620 you may not be surprised by. Indeed, Canada's official position is that there should be a

00:20:22.980 two-state solution, which means there should be a Jewish state for Israelis and Jews. There should

00:20:27.700 be a Palestinian state for the Arabs in the region. But what the problem with that is that

00:20:32.960 unilaterally recognizing the Palestinian state means you do not know anything about the region.

00:20:39.120 Now we see this call coming to Canada, not just from activists, but from a liberal member of

00:20:44.220 parliament, Salma Zahid, who says she's calling on her own party, her own government to recognize

00:20:49.720 a Palestinian state. Take a look. I'm being advocate of a two-state solution, like a state

00:20:56.340 for Palestinian people where they can live free and democratically so I think like our foreign 0.98

00:21:01.560 policy recognizes that so it's important that we get into the process and recognize Palestinian

00:21:06.960 state what we have seen the murder of like over 35,000 innocent civilians and I think the

00:21:14.820 recognition is really very important because the Palestinians need to live in a free and

00:21:19.680 democratic state where their rights are protected the position of Canada until now was that the

00:21:30.040 recognition of the state of Palestine should come at the end of negotiations those countries

00:21:34.560 maybe I think maybe I think we needed first like all what we have seen in the last seven months

00:21:41.240 is important for the long-lasting peace in that region for long-term stability that we recognize

00:21:48.680 that and I think like it's really very important that this there is a ceasefire and we put an end

00:21:54.520 to the killing of the innocent civilians what we are seeing starvation of kids is laying very heavy

00:22:00.280 on us have you asked the government have you asked your prime minister to recognize statehood

00:22:04.840 immediately like i'm working on it just to clarify does this recognition of the palestinian state

00:22:11.720 be at the conclusion of a process of a bargaining between uh palestine and israel or should it be

00:22:19.080 right now see we need to make sure that there is long-lasting peace in that region and for that

00:22:24.600 the recognition of palestinian state is really very important what do you mean you're voting

00:22:28.360 on it instead of working i said working you're working on it so you do want just to clarify you

00:22:33.800 do want the prime minister to recognize it now so she again is not speaking for the government she's

00:22:41.000 She's a backbench member of Parliament.

00:22:43.080 She is pushing Trudeau to do this.

00:22:45.220 But I think there are going to be a lot more voices like that coming behind the scenes

00:22:49.660 or perhaps in front of the scenes.

00:22:51.140 Well, what she is conveniently omitting here is that that two-state solution plan that

00:22:57.040 Canada has signed on to requires a negotiated solution between Israel and the Palestinians.

00:23:03.980 Now, you can broker this, as was attempted by Jimmy Carter at Camp David, as was attempted

00:23:09.400 in Oslo, and so on.

00:23:10.680 But you need to have an agreement. So when people say they want a Palestinian state,

00:23:16.460 what are they referring to? Are they referring to in the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank?

00:23:21.180 Are they referring to in Gaza? Are they referring to one state that covers both territories,

00:23:26.000 which, by the way, are not connected? And right now they have different governments.

00:23:30.520 The government, such as it is in Gaza, is Hamas. The government in the West Bank is the 0.95

00:23:37.760 Palestinian authority. These two groups do not get along with each other. So who would govern 1.00

00:23:42.240 this Palestinian state? What would be the territory of the Palestinian state? These are difficult

00:23:47.780 questions for which the activists have no answer. More importantly, would the Palestinian people

00:23:53.560 accept a state that does not have Jerusalem in it? They have long maintained that Jerusalem is

00:23:59.480 their capital, even though it is not. It is the capital of the Jewish state, and there is no

00:24:05.400 partition of Jerusalem and hasn't been for quite some time since Israel won it while defending

00:24:10.440 itself in a war waged against it by the Palestinians and Arab neighbors. So all of 0.84

00:24:16.080 these are questions that anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge of the region would be able

00:24:23.240 to be aware of. But this unilateral recognition that's now been championed by European countries,

00:24:29.020 there's one coming down the road, I forget, I think Slovenia might be mulling, recognizing as

00:24:34.640 well that activists like Selma Zahid are saying Canada should do, it actually doesn't solve

00:24:39.660 anything. Will it bring peace to the region? No, it will not. Because there has been a track record

00:24:45.580 of terrorism that are never content with the status quo. Remember in 2006, more than 15 years

00:24:52.600 ago, Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza. They dismantled the settlements. They pulled out

00:24:57.160 and said, let you guys run the show. They left flourishing greenhouses and industry. They left

00:25:02.540 a society that was actually functional in many respects, which was quickly taken over by 0.97

00:25:08.240 terrorists who have not stopped in their desire to eradicate and annihilate the Jewish state and 0.99

00:25:13.160 its people ever since. Hamas is the popular choice among many people in Gaza. Now, Gazans 0.99

00:25:21.100 are oppressed by Hamas, and many of them will speak out about it when asked by foreign press.

00:25:26.100 But this is the challenge here. So no, recognizing a Palestinian state is not going to be

00:25:31.600 the path to peace. It simply will not be. And it's very troubling, very troubling when people who

00:25:39.900 have very little in the way of historic knowledge will start to weigh in on this. Look, I've had

00:25:46.840 people that have talked to me about this that say, listen, I just don't know. Tell me everything.

00:25:50.500 And I say, well, you should know that I'm biased. I believe in the Jewish state and I believe in

00:25:54.540 its right to defend itself. But I've provided resources. There are fair resources. There are

00:25:59.920 things that people can read about this. But at a certain point, a lot of what you're going to get

00:26:03.960 is propaganda. A lot of what you're going to get is propaganda. Now, Israel is not a perfect country.

00:26:09.200 No country is. Israel's government is not perfect. I saw a tweet from Tristan Hopper that I actually

00:26:15.020 wanted to share because this week Israel has apologized for some of its actions in Rafa,

00:26:21.940 which affected civilians. And that is horrendous. It's terrible when civilians are casualties of

00:26:27.520 war. But Tristan Hopper, who's usually very comedic, had a serious point. He said there was

00:26:32.620 zero chance they weren't going to bitch about Rafa. If not a single piece of property was 1.00

00:26:38.600 damaged or person hurt, they would have found something. They lie constantly and deliberately.

00:26:43.900 You see, it's all they know how to do. And the point is a valid one. Even if there had not been

00:26:50.500 a single civilian casualty in Israel's offensive into Rafa, it would have been criticized. It would

00:26:56.460 have been attacked as a war crime because the people who hate Israel are not interested in a

00:27:01.560 good faith discussion of the facts. They simply hate Israel. And why do you hate Israel? Why do

00:27:08.020 you hate the one country in the world that provides safe haven for Jewish people if not because of a 1.00

00:27:13.320 deep-seated hatred of the Jewish people or at the very least to believe that they are not entitled

00:27:18.380 to a safe space? They are not entitled to a territory from which they do not need to fear

00:27:24.600 the horrors of the past being repeated just take a look around in canada jewish businesses being 1.00

00:27:32.020 vandalized jewish students being harassed at schools jewish professors being boycotted slogans

00:27:37.280 on campuses saying that we should eradicate the jewish state calling acts of violence against

00:27:42.960 civilians the hostage taking of children calling that resistance and you wonder why there needs to 0.95

00:27:49.320 be a Jewish state. Take a freaking look around. That does it for us for today. We'll be back 1.00

00:27:56.700 tomorrow with more of the Andrew Lawton Show as we take a look at Justin Trudeau's biography,

00:28:03.600 not the one he wrote, but one written about his time in government by Stephen Maher. We'll do a

00:28:08.700 deep dive into that with the author of my competing book that's coming up tomorrow. This is Canada's

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Juno News - May 28, 2024

Liberal MP pushing Trudeau to recognize ＂Palestinian state＂

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