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- May 06, 2022
Liberals and legacy media use Roe v. Wade to virtue signal
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We are recording from the fake news capital of Canada. I'm Candice Malcolm,
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it's Fake News Friday, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning in. I'm very pleased to be joined by my colleague
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journalist, Andrew Lawton, and we are on the floor of the Convention of the Canada Strong and Free
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Conference, formerly known as the Manning Conference, and there is so much going on in
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Ottawa. It's so interesting to be here, Andrew. I mean, is this your first time back since the
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trucker convoy? Yeah, it is actually. This is the first time I've been in Ottawa since the convoy
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ended, and that was the weekend when I was pepper sprayed. And don't, from my hotel room, I have a
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lookout that is staring directly at where that happened, so it's bringing back all sorts of
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painful, literally, memories. PTSD. Yeah, no, it's good to be back here. I've
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always enjoyed Ottawa, so it's fun to be here. You know, Ottawa is a beautiful
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city, and the architecture, the people, it's a great place to be, but it is also a painful
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reminder. We are like deep in establishment, Ottawa establishment territory, home of all the
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gatekeepers, home of the elites who don't want to hear from Canadians, they don't care what
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Canadians think, they want to basically ram their opinions down your throat, and you really feel that
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amidst all of the bureaucracy. And one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about today,
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Andrea, it is Fake News Friday, it was World Press Freedom Day this week, and so you'll hear
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a lot of virtue signaling from liberal politicians who we all know don't care at all about press
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freedom. They don't care about a truly independent press, they don't want the facts to get out to
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Canadians, and yet they're more than happy to get onto Twitter, virtue signal, you know, whether it's
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Chrissy Freeland, I heard an anecdote, they had a, they had like a dinner,
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like an awards dinner, basically congratulating themselves on their press freedom. And this is
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what the Liberals do, this is what the media does, they focus on attacks on the press outside of
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Canada, right? Like, oh, there's this like, there's this looming threat of lack of press freedom in
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places like Hong Kong, look at these brave journalists in Ukraine, and they're completely blinded to their own
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hypocrisy. And the focus, rather than being on actual press freedom and allowing journalists to do their
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jobs, getting out of the way, stop the subsidies, stop funding journalists that you like, and punishing
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journalists that you don't like. Instead, their focus, Andrew, is on disinformation and misinformation,
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which is the latest buzzwords that call for them to basically censor, that they want censorship,
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they want to censor the internet, they have these internet censorship bills, they don't like critical
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journalists, they don't want journalists who are going to do a lot of digging and hold them
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accounted in the way that journalists are supposed to do. And so the main focus of this kind of event
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is one on look at these horrible countries around the world that don't acknowledge press freedom
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like we do. And two, how can we censor the internet to scrub opinions that we don't like, including by
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independent journalists? What's your take on all this? Yeah, I think you're right. And I think that
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the look over there strategy is one that the liberals love doing on human rights. They love saying,
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oh, you know, we got to look at Congo and Venezuela without looking in our own backyard and our own front yard.
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And I mean, I mentioned earlier that the last time I was in Ottawa was covering the convoy.
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The reality is that was a huge moment where Justin Trudeau's government authorized police to go and
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arrest journalists for trying to do their jobs. It was only a handful of approved journalists,
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mainly people in the parliamentary press gallery, that were given free reign to walk the streets of
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Ottawa. And others, including myself, are threatened with arrest, even though the emergency order
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specifically said anyone who was there for a lawful purpose, of which journalism is still,
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at this time in Canada, could be there. But then you get into this idea of proving it. And you and
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I talked about this in the past. You know, one police officer was convinced by my verified Twitter
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profile. Another, I had a letter from True North. I had a phone number for one of our editors. And
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still, they were saying, nope, unless you're in the parliamentary press gallery, you're not getting
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through. And in fact, you'll be arrested if you don't turn around. So when the government does this,
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it is not just against the idea of media freedom and the idea of free speech, but more fundamentally,
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it is, as you note, something that has a chilling effect on specific types of free speech, because
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it's never the CBC types that are targeted by this. It's always conservative, independent media.
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And I did a panel here at the Canada Strong and Free Network conference that talked about this. And
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the reality is independent media is kind of owned by the right right now. It's the right that does
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really well on this. So when you go after independent media, you're targeting conservatives,
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you're targeting people on the right. It's interesting, your anecdote about how one of
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the police officers really wanted a government badge, that there's some mindset here in Ottawa,
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like everyone works for the government. Well, because, yeah, everyone has a government badge.
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I mean, the Starbucks employee has a government badge, I think, in Ottawa. Exactly. No, but I think
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you're right. It's interesting because there is a lot of independent-ish journalists on the left
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as well. Journalism, there's lots of interesting sites. The weird thing is a lot of them just kind
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of end up becoming government-funded or government subsidies. I'm thinking of places like The Walrus
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or just these kind of small- The National Observer, which has like government-funded reporters now.
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Right, exactly. So they don't stay independent because they don't keep that. And right now,
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I mean, with conservatives, it's like there's this whole growing movement of kind of grassroots,
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independent shops. There's so many of them now. It's great to see, but it's like, you know,
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it's a David Goliath situation because we're up against not just the behemoth of the CBC that gets
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$1.4, $1.5 billion a year. And they really, really influence the press galleries because
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they're so- They outnumber everyone else, right? But then you also have the corporate media,
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the woke sort of capitalism that's seeping in. We heard from Jamil Javani, who was a former
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radio host at Bell's Newstalk 1010 in Toronto. And he was basically talking about how even though
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he is an independent-minded black man, he wasn't woke enough for the upper high ups at Bell. And he was
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forced to do this. And then you have the newspapers who also helped shape the news front and they're
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subsidized now. They have the media bailout. And so it's really, you know, we feel like we're doing
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really well. It's fun to be at a conference like Canada Stronger Free because it's filled with
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conservative activists and so many of them tune into True North. And we really appreciate it. We love
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coming to these kinds of events and these conferences and getting to meet the people who,
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you know, support True North, watch our programming. It's great to connect with the sort of grassroots
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base in that way. But we're so small, Andrew, compared to these big giants and you really kind
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of feel like you have your work cut out for you. What do you think?
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Yeah, I would agree with that. And I would also say that the challenge is going to be,
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I mean, just to illustrate it with an anecdote, one of the big things that we see as people on the
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right is that obviously people on the right support independent media and they support it. But it goes down
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that road of almost siloing it where you've got, you know, your mainstream, which is for the left
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and your independent, which is for the right. And the problem with that is that we want to be able to
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expand our audience. And I have no issues with watching CBC. And I mean, I do, but I generally,
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in theory, I have no issues with it because I want to see and have a broader discussion and a broader
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conversation. And it is challenging because we are in a space where we have, we don't have a level playing
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field. We don't have the subsidy head start that a lot of these other groups on the left do. But I
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also think that content is king in a way. And content eventually is what's eroding the trust in
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the mainstream media. It's their content. And it's what's elevating trust in independent media. And
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it's not just tooting our own horn. There are others that we are ostensibly competing with that
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are in a very similar boat. But that takes time. It takes time to sort of release that stranglehold
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that the mainstream media have on official media. And it's interesting too, because I mean,
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this kind of goes back to like libertarian capitalist theory. It's like, you know,
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that the bad companies keep getting subsidized. So they keep doubling down on their bad business.
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Yeah, it's not a free market. Yeah. And so it's like in a normal market,
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those companies would be forced to make real decisions that might lead to innovation thinking
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of like a group like the Winnipeg Free Press, right? This has been a newspaper forever,
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more than half of their funding now comes from the government. And you go on their website,
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and it's like really clunky and old. And they're not entering the 21st century,
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they're not bringing it. And it's the same thing with these big, you know, post media,
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these big unionized shops that don't know how to collect news anymore. I was talking earlier with
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Holly Doan, who is its founder, and she runs Black Locks Reporter. And they just do tremendous
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independent research and independent media. And she made the point you just did about content is king.
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It's like, people want good journalism, and they're really increasingly not getting that from the
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mainstream media anymore. So they're turning to independent people. I really do feel like we have our
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work cut out for us. So I want to talk to you, you know, the big story of the week is something
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that's spilling over from the United States, this decision that was leaked out from the Supreme Court
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of the United States, overturning Roe versus Wade. People who are familiar with this court case,
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like it's almost universally agreed that this case was really poorly argued, that it doesn't stand up
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to scrutiny, that it's a very bad decision. And yet, you know, this question of abortion, the abortion
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debate in the US is spilled out, and you know, they're having it, it's happening in the United
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States, still into Canada, all of the politicians on the left, all the media have used it as an
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opportunity to say, well, first a virtue signal about how glorious Canada is, because we don't
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have abortion laws. But then also to try to turn it against the Conservatives. We know in 2019,
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a large part of the reason why I think Andrew Scheer ultimately wasn't successful is because he didn't
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have a good answer to this question about abortion, about gay marriage, and people were worried that
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he was a religious zealot or something like that. I think that the Liberals right now are just so
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excited that this issue is something that the media will talk about and use it to paint Conservatives
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as being sort of anti-woman or whatever. Have you heard, you know, we're at this conference with all
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these Conservative activists, have you heard a lot of people talking about it? What's your take on how
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this will affect the Conservative leadership race and the Conservative movement more broadly in Canada?
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Yeah, I haven't heard too much yet at the conference specifically, but just in the last few days,
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the one point that I've raised, I think I raised this on my show the other day, is that
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abortion is a wedge for Conservatives in a way that it isn't for the Liberals. And it used to be,
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but the Liberals under Justin Trudeau have just purged anyone that doesn't go along with Justin
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Trudeau's view on this from their caucus. So the Liberals are in lockstep with each other,
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the NDP, the Bloc are in lockstep. So they know that it's not at all, there's no losing
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when they bring it up. They just want to force Conservatives to have some stand up and say,
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I'm pro-life and some stand up and say they're pro-choice, a divide that works within the
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Conservative Party that has always allowed for people to approach these issues and
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other issues of conscience from whichever perspective they'd like. But they know that
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then the CBC is going to go into overdrive, the Toronto Star, and it's going to be all these
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antiquated anti-woman dinosaurs. And it just goes into this whole thing. So what you need
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is a Conservative that can, and you touched on this with the Andrew Scheer observation,
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that can defend and sell their position, not necessarily to convert people, but to explain
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it because defence isn't working. You get Conservatives that end up apologising for their
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values, which is never the way you win anyone over. Lesley Lewis has done a great job on this.
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She's put out her platform on abortion, which has no hidden agenda. And she said,
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this is what I stand for. Boom, boom, boom. And as a result, there's not really that much criticism
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that she faces from the media because they don't sense that weakness that they do.
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The gotcha.
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A lot of other times. Yeah. Where it's like someone feels like they've been caught
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doing something they're not supposed to do. It's no, if you believe it, own it.
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Right. Yeah. And I think you're right. There was a weird thing where, well, first of all,
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I just want to say that the media is so dishonest on this issue. They treat it completely black and
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white, right? You either believe that birth begins at conception, in which case all abortions under any
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circumstances, no matter what, are going to be illegal. Which is a minority position among pro-lifers.
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Right. Right. Well, and, and, and even maybe people who have that view might not want to
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legislate that way. And then the other side is like, oh, hey, you know, the baby's born,
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but I changed my mind. And, you know, it's like, it's like no, no laws on abortion whatsoever. You
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can have late-term abortions. You can have a partial abortion abortion. We don't care.
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All abortion. The reality, Andrew, is that most Canadians fall somewhere in the middle. They probably
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do want protections against late-term abortions or sex-selective abortions. There's so much more
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nuance in this, but I saw the Journal de Montréal front page. They had the faces of all the
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Conservative MPs who they have called pro-life. And it's like, they're perpetuating this idea that,
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you know, the people in the Conservative Party have like this really removed view that's so offside with
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the rest of the Canadian public. When, of course, there is more noise. I will just say, I think that
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by and large Canadians and even most Conservatives just don't really want to have this discussion. They
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would prefer to just not talk about it and they want the issue to be put to rest. And so, to your
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point that Leslyn Lewis has been able to, you know, very substantively explain her exact position, then
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there's no reason to keep pushing it because there's no gotcha moment. Yeah. There's no opportunity to
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embarrass her in the way that they, I think they were able to embarrass or at least catch Andrew
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sheer flat-footed. What do you think? Yeah, I think the one area where I would slightly disagree with
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that is that the status quo in Canada is unique in the world and not in a good way. Zero law, zero
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restriction at all. Technically, if you found a doctor to do it, you could have an abortion up to a minute
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before a child is delivered. That's rare. When Canadians learn about that, they're opposed to it. But
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Canadians don't know it. Sex-selective abortion as well, aborting someone, a child for no reason other than
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you don't want a daughter. It's one of the largest motivating factors in some cultures towards abortion.
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Canadians don't know that's legal. When they do, they oppose it. So whatever you think of those
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policies, there are nuances to it that are lost in, as you mentioned, that dichotomy of pro-life,
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pro-choice or pro-life, anti-choice, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, like these semantics that people
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bring into it. And I mean, Trudeau, it could backfire what he's done because he's now said that
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we need to introduce legislation to ensure that this right to abortion in Canada is unshakable and no one
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can ever take it away. And he says, we need to have a debate on it. It's okay. Well, if you want
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to have a debate on it, that's what a lot of Conservatives have wanted. They said, let's just
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have a discussion about this that allows us to talk about this. What about unborn victims of crime?
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What about sex-selective abortion? What about late-term abortion? And I could see, I mean,
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setting aside the makeup of the House of Commons right now, I could see if we did have a national
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discussion about abortion, Canadians settling on, you know, maybe third trimester abortions are not a
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thing we should have. So it could backfire. Yeah, it's interesting because I've been looking
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into the US because a lot of Americans are misled about what Roe does and doesn't do. I mean,
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the idea of legislating from the courts is not something that has a tradition in Canada or the
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US. So this idea that Roe would be the ones who would determine the laws rather than the Senate,
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you know, the state Senate, the lawmakers, the people who are elected to make these decisions,
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to me, it's much better in the hands of people who have, you know, are represented by the public as
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opposed to someone who's appointed for life that has, you know, very little scrutiny and accountability.
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But also the idea that it would just like immediately ban abortion all over the United
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States. Obviously it's going to be a state's rights issue. So states like California and New York are
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never going to, you know, change the laws to ban abortion, whereas other states would. But the
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interesting thing is you look at the European Union, you look at countries in Europe that have laws
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already banning abortion at 15 weeks, 12 weeks, and you sit back and say, oh, wow, Canada really is
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an outlier because we don't have any laws whatsoever. So maybe you're right that there is
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more of an appetite to have this discussion. And if so, I think Trudeau might be a little bit
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surprised with where the Canadian public is, because again, we're so misled. I'll just give
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another example for Fake News Friday. ECOS, which is run by Frank Graves, who is a sort of
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interesting character and a pollster that's not always very reliable. He put something out that
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said it's something like 80% of Canadians are pro-choice and only 12% are pro-life or something
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like that. Again, these euphemisms that don't really, you know, people might not have really
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thought through what they mean. But, you know, if you think that you have 80% of the Canadian public
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on your side, you might be much more brazen to go forth to try to legislate something, but then you
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might not realize all this nuance that's within and all the views that Canadians have that are actually
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not black and white and have, you know, a lot of room for discussion. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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And, you know, that's the role of Canadian politicians is to take on these sort of important
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moral and cultural issues and help navigate through it. And so Trudeau's style of, you know, divide,
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wedge, demonize, I could see that all playing out. I don't know that that's really the direction that
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we want to go in our country. I don't know that that's the direction that we want to go in the
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conservative movement, but we might be headed there again from external factors. What else is
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on your mind at this convention? I know there's a lot of exciting speakers. Do you have any
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interesting interviews lined up? What do you have planned in Ottawa? Well, I mean, obviously,
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you're the main event, which you play a role in the leadership debate has been a big part of what a
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lot of people want to get out of this. And my hope is in general that whenever you have a forum like
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this where conservatives are coming together, and I use that with a small c that people are talking
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about the movement itself, not just the day to day electoral politics and the horse racing,
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but the movement itself and the values, because, you know, victory without values is meaningless.
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Values without victory is also in its own way meaningless. I mean, you can die on a hill, but,
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you know, and die for something. But if you're at the end of the day, not doing anything with it,
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it's understandably challenging. So I think that, yeah, you need to start talking about the tactical
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things of how you win, but you also need to talk about what it is that you stand for. And I think
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that principles matter. And oftentimes we assume that principles are antithetical to victory,
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which I think is a big failing in the conservative party.
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Well, and that's why it's great to be around conservative activists and people who,
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you know, have really strong convictions in certain areas, areas of expertise, areas of activism,
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because getting everybody in the space together provides an opportunity to have those discussions,
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have those debates, flesh them out, figure out exactly where we think, where we stand on different
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issues and kind of get the ball rolling to, to a point you made earlier, conservatives are often
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playing defense. It's like, why not we, why don't we take a step forward and start to push forth our
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own agenda? Well, it's great to be at an event in person. It's been a long time. It's great to just
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be around people without having to wear a mask and socially distance and all that kind of stuff.
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And your own coworker, someone who you've like never met in person until this weekend.
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Yeah, we have that with a couple of our producers here. We've got Sean right there. I would never
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met him in person and finally get to meet him in 3D instead of 2D. So it's, it's great to be here.
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Thank you so much for tuning in. It's Fake News Friday. I'm Candice Malcolm joined by Andrew Lawton.
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We are on the floor of the Convention Centre in Ottawa. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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