Juno News - November 27, 2022


Liberals announce ban on semi-automatic rifles (ft. Rod Giltaca)


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00:00:00.000 I want to talk about this story which has not gotten a lot of coverage in fact as of last
00:00:12.960 look had no coverage in the mainstream media and that is the amendment put forward by the
00:00:18.800 liberals in committee to bill c21 this is the firearms regulation bill that's coming down the
00:00:24.900 pipeline and this amendment I just want to read directly from the amendments that were put
00:00:31.160 forward before committee changes the definition or adds to the definition of a prohibited firearm
00:00:38.160 the following a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun that is capable of discharging center fire ammunition
00:00:45.080 in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine
00:00:52.040 with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally
00:00:57.500 designed now if you're a gun owner you're seething right now if you're not a gun owner you're like
00:01:01.640 what the hell did he just say it is a firearm that has a round of ammunition that's basically
00:01:06.500 anything other than a 22 which is a a little tiny cartridge and has a magazine that takes more than
00:01:12.380 five rounds of ammunition let's talk about why this matters Rod Giltaka is here head of the Canadian
00:01:18.060 Coalition for Firearm Rights Rod good to talk to you as always thanks for coming on today
00:01:23.140 thanks for having me so what what types of guns are we talking about here that are not prohibited
00:01:28.260 already by the liberals that would be caught by this amendment well for all intents and purposes it's
00:01:34.140 a center fire semi-automatic rifles and shotguns they can take a detachable magazine so there's some
00:01:39.460 nuance there when you talked about a magazine that could that was or a firearm that was originally
00:01:44.720 designed to take a magazine that could uh hold more than five rounds there's there's a lot of
00:01:50.020 nuance there but basically any magazine fed firearm could take a magazine that could hold more than the
00:01:57.000 prescribed number of rounds if you get a hold of it and who knows what it was designed for in the first
00:02:01.100 place it was just magazine fed so I guess for purposes of our discussion all all semi uh semi-automatic
00:02:08.180 rifles and shotguns that are center fire that accept removable magazines and that's probably around
00:02:12.100 two million two million firearms that are now uh going to be prohibited if that amendment
00:02:16.740 is passed into the bill and the bill is passed through the senate and uh receives royal assent
00:02:22.560 one of the things that I find interesting about this is that there there's been a lot in Canada of
00:02:27.980 haggling over magazine limits and and oftentimes on firearms there's a a pin in a magazine so it could
00:02:33.480 theoretically take more rounds but a government regulation has has capped it at five rounds would a
00:02:39.600 magazine that is pinned to five rounds but could theoretically if you were to illegally remove that
00:02:44.700 pin take more would that satisfy this in your view well the the way that it's worded is quite ambiguous
00:02:51.540 and those are the kinds of laws that the government seems to love they don't like you know straightforward
00:02:55.300 stuff um but the way that it's written it's it's like uh I guess we'll use the most infamous
00:03:01.160 rifle ever which is the ar-15 which is just just another semi-automatic rifle just like any other
00:03:06.420 it was designed originally to have a 30 round magazine but of course in Canada we can't have
00:03:12.620 those it's apparently too dangerous so we have a pin inserted a rivet to to uh limit it to five rounds
00:03:19.060 but that firearm was originally designed to hold a 30 round to use a 30 round magazine and so thus it
00:03:26.840 would now be prohibited if the original design had some stubby little five round magazine it would
00:03:31.900 apparently be okay so again more completely nonsensical ridiculous rules designed for one
00:03:37.440 reason it's just to punish people that are unlikely to vote for the liberals yeah and and you know this
00:03:42.340 abandons in my view the pretense I mean it was long gone I'm sure you and I could agree but really
00:03:47.160 abandons the pretense that nothing that the liberals are doing target sport shooters and firearms owners
00:03:52.440 that are there that own guns for hunting which has always been their line because you know Justin
00:03:56.900 Trudeau's uh explanation no one needs an ar-15 to take down a deer okay well when they're talking
00:04:02.160 about shotguns and other semi-automatic centerfire rifles that are used for hunting people I mean who
00:04:09.560 don't know guns don't realize that they're just blatantly misinforming people yeah it's it's it's uh
00:04:16.020 it's all gaslighting um yeah long gone are all the promises that they they're not going to you know
00:04:21.960 affect hunters or sport shooters or anyone else they're they're they're coming for for everything
00:04:27.080 so um you know I have a few firearms of my own and I'm not unique in that um if I look through my
00:04:34.320 gun cabinet I'm probably going to have a couple of guns left after all this is uh after all the dust
00:04:39.480 has settled so they're coming after basically everything other than lever actions um there there
00:04:45.660 may be some pump action shotguns that are that will be prohibited too which is a dangerous precedent
00:04:50.100 so all of those will end up going uh you may have single shot like break action you know shotguns
00:04:55.640 left and some bolt action rifles and and for some people that's enough um for most people there isn't
00:05:01.880 but there's always a question how do you justify doing this like why are you doing this to all these
00:05:06.780 people and they keep saying public safety and of course it's you know they don't offer any proof of
00:05:12.100 that um so yeah just the gaslighting continues and uh why they're doing this it's it's anyone's guess
00:05:18.680 well I think it's important to not look at c21 in isolation either and I think for that we go back
00:05:24.220 to 2020 and that uh initial prohibition of 1500 types of uh of mostly semi-automatic rifles and then
00:05:33.040 you follow that with their efforts to ban handguns and then you follow that with this latest amendment
00:05:39.100 in c21 and and you are right that at a certain point they're attacking in very rapid succession uh
00:05:45.500 almost every type of firearm except for like at the end of it it's going to be you can have
00:05:50.840 a revolutionary war musket and that'll be it and then that'll go well it's uh apparently they're
00:05:56.960 going to include the sks in this and some rimfire rifles as well just because they look scary uh this
00:06:04.400 is this is they're you know it's funny even one of those like tactical looking 22s which I think
00:06:11.040 most gun owners think are kind of ridiculous but but those those 22s that look scary they could be
00:06:15.600 prohibited in your view well yeah and I mean I think the the salient point here is everything
00:06:21.200 that the liberal government says and let's not forget the culpability of the NDP and um and the
00:06:28.560 Bloc Quebecois because they're supporting this too everything they say to you is a lie it it is it is a
00:06:34.820 lie top to bottom um and you know first at first it's like oh it's only these guns just these
00:06:40.720 dangerous assault weapons are they assault weapons no but we have we're going to call them assault
00:06:44.180 style so that's close enough so they had that whole thing we're going to buy them back it's like no
00:06:48.380 we're not going to buy them back almost three years later nothing's nothing's forthcoming they
00:06:52.240 have nothing then it's like well handguns oh we're not and then I of course I went to committee
00:06:56.720 on bill c21 and I have the NDP MP um Alistair McGregor say well nobody's really banning your
00:07:03.980 handguns right it's a freeze let's let's uh let's be clear and I'm like what do you mean
00:07:07.720 if I I have handguns so if I die the RCMP are going to come to the house they're going to take
00:07:12.460 them from my grieving window and my kids that are licensed and they're going to take them without
00:07:17.100 any compensation and destroy them and they'll take them by force they'll be like well either you give
00:07:21.260 them up or you go to jail so but it's not a ban don't call it a ban so I think you were just
00:07:25.740 talking about the the uh the emergencies act inquiry and how they keep saying these things even though
00:07:31.660 they're demonstrably untrue and I mean this is this this is a government these are a group of
00:07:36.640 people I don't think that we've ever seen before not at this level no and and you and I have talked
00:07:41.980 about this in the past and you were uh very graciously a big supporter of and star in the
00:07:46.600 documentary I did about this uh a year and a half back you know and the the public education
00:07:51.980 about guns has always been I think very poor and it's not for for lack of effort on the part of gun
00:07:56.980 owners it's that gun owners are a very small minority relatively speaking of the Canadian
00:08:01.780 population and you have a lot of urbanites in this country that have never encountered a gun and
00:08:06.760 to their knowledge have probably never met a gun owner that really buy into the narrative that
00:08:12.600 they're fed by the government and fed by a lot of the mainstream media in this country and when stuff
00:08:18.720 like this happens it's terrible that if a conservative leader puts forward a very sensible opposition to
00:08:25.040 this they get cast into that oh he wants everyone walking around you know with an ar-15 on the
00:08:29.920 streets it's like no that's not what's being debated here yeah they want to make assault weapons legal
00:08:34.280 again and I mean it's such a misleading it's such a misleading statement on its face because assault
00:08:40.340 weapons have been banned since 1977 so they'd actually have to clarify and say assault style weapons legal
00:08:45.780 again so it's it's a it's it's the reason why it's so effective is it's a fear-based narrative right
00:08:51.480 it's they they are always and when I say I mean the liberals again with the NDP right alongside them
00:08:58.320 and the Bloc Québécois they're marching the public using the government's resources educational
00:09:03.860 resources and media resources marching them along saying there's a direct connection between somebody
00:09:08.700 like me that has a firearms license that gets background checked every day that has legal storage
00:09:13.540 that could have my home searched to make sure I'm storing my firearms properly whose handguns are
00:09:17.820 registered whose AR-15s were registered can only shoot those at an approved shooting rate all that
00:09:22.180 stuff they're always trying to draw a line between people like me and the shootings that they see in
00:09:27.040 downtown Toronto or downtown Vancouver their entire narrative is hung on that so it's it's
00:09:33.460 incredibly deceptive but it is very effective because their side of the story can be told with
00:09:37.940 taglines like more guns equal more death it's like well for me to for me to debunk that it takes
00:09:42.960 about 10 sentences and you'll never get that on a mainstream legacy media format so it's very
00:09:48.780 effective that way and that's what we're up against and uh yeah it's it's it's it's it's a difficult
00:09:53.560 fight but we're not going to just lay down and let them take them you mentioned the SKS now just for
00:09:59.640 people that don't know the SKS they're mass-produced Soviet you often rifles that you could just buy for
00:10:07.780 dirt cheap because they're surplus I mean I think a lot of people get them for like under 200 bucks back in
00:10:12.320 the day maybe they're a little bit more now uh they're semi-automatic they're not particularly
00:10:16.180 accurate they're dirty but they're fun to shoot they're fun they look cool and and there are I
00:10:21.240 don't know if there's an exact number but I would assume there have to be tens of thousands of these
00:10:25.240 in Canada right now correct about a million of them a million SKS's and and they're they're non-restricted
00:10:31.560 which means that if you have a license you buy one it's not registered to you something like this
00:10:36.840 I I feel it's just logistically impossible to prohibit because you can't enforce it when
00:10:42.180 you don't know where these things are and so if the law-abiding dutiful diligent citizens will hand
00:10:47.400 theirs back into the government and the people that don't have regard for the law will still have them
00:10:51.400 well there's there's a problem occurring here Andrew and the problem is is that laws have to
00:10:57.200 be reasonable and they have to be justified when the government says we're going to use the the
00:11:02.480 capacity you know to to uh to um project force that you've paid for it has to be justified so what
00:11:10.280 they're saying is we're going to use that force on you doesn't matter this is part of our political
00:11:14.200 agenda and what happens is reasonable law-abiding people are just like well wait a minute this isn't
00:11:20.340 fair this is wrong I'm actually you're extracting money and taxes from me in order to be able to do
00:11:26.180 this to me I'm going to consider non-compliance and the minute that you start looking at a scenario
00:11:31.380 that like right now what the government's doing and you're like a reasonable person might start
00:11:35.040 considering non-compliance like that is that is creating cracks that's a violation of the social
00:11:40.600 contract is what they're doing right now but it's creating cracks in in in our society and that's
00:11:46.900 that's bad so you know while this seems to be a big joke to liberal mps and liberal supporters while
00:11:52.220 they think this is funny doing this to well probably a roughly a million Canadians are licensed to own
00:11:58.660 these firearms well I guess I guess 2.2 million but a million Canadians probably own these firearms
00:12:03.980 they seem to think this is funny but it's not funny it's very corrosive to our society it's
00:12:08.140 destroying the relationship and an important one at that between uh productive citizens and the
00:12:14.020 government and productive citizens and law enforcement because somebody's going to come
00:12:17.220 looking for those guns and it's not going to be Justin Trudeau he'll be hiding in the cottage right
00:12:21.180 just like he did during COVID that's that's very corrosive to our society so you got to really think
00:12:25.900 about when you want to use government force and and laws um and make sure that's justified so if you
00:12:31.640 say it's for public safety it has to be and you have to prove that or you're just you're just
00:12:36.000 destroying the social fabric of our country and I think I think people forget that in this hyper
00:12:40.620 partisan time up until a couple of months ago I I thought that the main ways you could combat this
00:12:47.360 was uh the legal route which I know the CCFR has has taken and is taking about that order in council
00:12:52.720 back in in 2020 the political route getting political leaders to to enact change and and to to a
00:12:58.800 lesser extent the public education route which you know you hope then people will call on their
00:13:02.860 politicians but there's a new avenue that opened up in the last couple of months which I think is a
00:13:07.960 fascinating one and that is provinces declaring that they will not enforce these laws Alberta was
00:13:14.520 the first and then there was Manitoba and then there was New Brunswick and Saskatchewan so you've got
00:13:19.420 four provinces here I believe Yukon I can't remember there was that there was a nuance with Yukon but
00:13:24.600 you've still got four provinces there that have said they do not believe this is an adequate use
00:13:28.640 of police resources and the federal government has really had to admit that it has no way of forcing
00:13:34.480 them to enforce this law so is that something you're optimistic about uh really driving in the future with
00:13:40.380 other provinces well Alberta and Saskatchewan have both already uh put out statements that they are
00:13:46.560 condemning this uh this new amendment that was brought through in Bill C-21 or that was presented it
00:13:52.040 hasn't passed they have the votes to pass it because of course the block and the NDP will support them
00:13:55.860 um but so there's a there are some green shoots there as well but I think the fact going back to
00:14:01.620 what you said in the beginning of of your question the fact that four provinces in a territory have said
00:14:07.260 you know what we're not even going to cooperate with you that should be another indication
00:14:10.260 to the federal government they should be like well wait wait a minute maybe we should rethink what
00:14:14.140 we're doing maybe what we're doing isn't right if we're actually having provinces rebelling against us
00:14:19.300 so but this is again right this is not this is not your your father or your grandfather's liberal
00:14:25.280 party this is an entirely alien group of people um that I think are very dangerous for the country
00:14:31.660 and they these these kinds of people they wouldn't think twice about what they're doing they're like
00:14:35.600 well I guess we got to put I guess we got to push harder anyway we have to we have to people have
00:14:40.560 to bend the knee to us and and normally you and I have known each other for a while right like I don't
00:14:44.980 usually like to use language like this but it's getting to the point where it's like you know I
00:14:49.820 I find myself almost in the past defending the government saying well maybe they just know not
00:14:54.340 what they do but man this is just getting really crazy yeah and I mean and a lot of police officers
00:15:00.100 too that I've spoken to are themselves civilian gun owners and uh you know some of them for very
00:15:05.000 practical reasons because you know they don't get enough range time as police so they train on their
00:15:08.700 own and and are enthusiasts and and they have no interest in in enforcing these laws and obviously
00:15:13.520 they they will ultimately if that's the direction but I'm hopeful that more provinces will step up
00:15:18.680 because again we we clearly the federal government is entrenched in this position and I don't think
00:15:23.100 Justin Trudeau or Bill Blair or Marco Menichino are going to wake up one day and say you know what
00:15:27.080 maybe the law-abiding gun owners aren't the problem but I if they if they're finding a resistance from
00:15:31.860 the police uh that are supposed to uphold this and by that I mean the provinces that are responsible for
00:15:38.640 allocating those police resources they'll have a law with no enforcement and I think they'll have to
00:15:42.880 kind of retreat with their tails between their legs I don't know I don't I again I take no pleasure in
00:15:49.820 you know being in the position right now where I'm like I wouldn't put anything past them I mean we
00:15:53.660 just heard that they were they were considering uh using it you know bringing tanks in to clear
00:15:58.080 protesters but it was not a semi-automatic tank it was fine yeah it was a manually operated tank yeah it
00:16:03.360 was a bolt action tank exactly right like it's just it's such a strange time and I I I just will
00:16:10.220 I've been wrong as often as I've been right about you know how far they'll go I don't think I don't
00:16:14.680 think we can put anything past them but as an organization we're going to continue to fight
00:16:18.420 against them we're going to continue to try to get our message out to Canadians right that's really
00:16:22.040 important uh I'm hoping that Canadians mainstream middle of the road centrist Canadians which most of
00:16:27.720 us used to be right in the day before in the days before we were labeled extremist I'm hoping most
00:16:32.940 people will come to their senses and go these are not liberals uh these these this is a very dangerous
00:16:38.280 group of people and they shouldn't be anywhere near power and they're all going to show up and
00:16:42.140 bring their friends and family in the next election and get rid of these people once and for all
00:16:45.800 that's what I'm hoping I I know the the CCFR has a lot of business members just anecdotally have you
00:16:51.260 heard uh about any upticks in sales of semi-automatics today and I ask that because I know every other
00:16:56.320 time the liberals have tried to ban something they they become impossible to get because there's just a
00:17:00.240 run on them well it's see that's a that puts I mean there probably would be I haven't I haven't
00:17:06.740 heard anything it's only been a day um but yeah a lot of people might run out and buy those uh buy
00:17:12.040 those guns that uh that may or may not be on the list but certainly would fit the uh the description
00:17:16.080 of centerfire semi-automatics with a detachable magazine um but at the same time the liberals um
00:17:21.960 have instituted a backdoor gun registry uh which of course they promise not to do but they've they've
00:17:28.240 done it so the government will know where all of those guns are and they will just I guess in theory
00:17:34.900 send people to come and take those guns away if uh people don't um give them up uh voluntarily
00:17:40.820 so I don't know that's that's going to temper sales quite a bit um but uh one one interesting
00:17:47.280 point of this whole thing if you watch the the meeting at on at uh committee for bill c70 uh bill
00:17:53.040 c21 yesterday uh the liberals did not include a buyback for any of these firearms so they're just
00:17:59.840 their intent as it stands today is just to prohibit them all and that's it you get nothing
00:18:04.320 wow just licensing themselves to do an all-out confiscation terrible stuff uh we'll certainly
00:18:10.440 follow this rod giltaka from the canadian coalition for firearm rights always a pleasure and keep up the
00:18:15.840 fight sir thanks andrew thanks for listening to the andrew lawton show support the program by
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