Juno News - May 31, 2024


Liberals attack...road trips？


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45 minutes

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188.8644

Word Count

8,513

Sentence Count

483

Misogynist Sentences

19

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Are you guys wearing your menstrual hygiene bracelets?
00:00:04.240 Mine didn't come in the mail yet.
00:00:05.840 Andrew, you got dressed up for the CBC,
00:00:08.060 but didn't want to get dressed up for us here at Off the Record?
00:00:10.480 No, I didn't pack enough because I'm on the road
00:00:12.740 and I was originally just planning on being home today.
00:00:16.220 So I didn't pack enough nice clothes to get me through this taping.
00:00:19.920 So you're lucky I'm wearing even a shirt with a collar.
00:00:23.340 Yeah, we'll take that.
00:00:24.500 We're trying to run a serious operation here though, you know.
00:00:27.240 Oh, it's funny.
00:00:27.560 I don't usually wear ties at home because it's weird
00:00:30.540 when you're doing a remote interview.
00:00:32.420 I'm like, because it's just like who wears a suit at home
00:00:34.580 in their basement, but it's also television.
00:00:36.500 So I don't know, very, very difficult conundrum.
00:00:39.260 I don't think I've ever seen you in a tie, William.
00:00:42.340 I mean, when I worked in government, I wore a tie every day
00:00:45.300 and there was something just awful about getting up at 5 a.m.
00:00:49.340 and, you know, getting into a suit and tie
00:00:51.600 and having to wear it for 18 hours consecutively.
00:00:54.360 And, you know, now that I don't have to, I choose not to most of the time.
00:00:59.040 I think in general, there's just something awful about having to get up at 5 a.m.
00:01:02.060 Yeah, that was not a great part.
00:01:03.840 You can now follow the liberal lead with bow ties and sneakers in the house.
00:01:07.480 If they're wearing bow ties and sneakers,
00:01:09.300 the staff can probably get away with a t-shirt and shorts.
00:01:12.740 I think we're leading with that one anyway.
00:01:14.440 So, all right, let's get this started.
00:01:15.500 Hello and welcome to you all.
00:01:26.300 This is another edition of Off the Record on True North.
00:01:29.800 It is Friday, May 31st, the end of the month of May,
00:01:33.860 which is a fact that is of zero relevance,
00:01:36.180 except that I just noticed it by looking at the calendar a moment before we began.
00:01:39.700 I am Andrew Lawton, joined by Harrison Faulkner and William Macbeth.
00:01:43.500 We are going to kick out the week that was in news and have a little fun in the process.
00:01:50.080 But, again, happy Friday to you both, Harrison and William.
00:01:52.940 What did you get up to this week?
00:01:55.300 Well, not much.
00:01:56.140 It's been a bit quiet.
00:01:56.940 It's been a quieter week for me.
00:01:58.400 I wasn't showing up at student protests in Charlottetown and, you know,
00:02:03.480 poking around asking questions.
00:02:04.960 It was remarkably quiet, I have to say.
00:02:08.920 And by comparison, my weeks are never as interesting as yours and Harrison's.
00:02:12.860 So I really don't have a lot to add at this point.
00:02:15.500 I would like it noted that I had book launch events in both Calgary and Toronto this week,
00:02:19.640 and neither of you came to either of them, but that's okay.
00:02:22.600 I have bought your book, Andrew.
00:02:23.900 I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver it into my hot little hands so I can read it.
00:02:27.940 Okay, that's fine.
00:02:28.660 You're forgiven then.
00:02:30.300 All right.
00:02:30.920 Well, this is, speaking of interesting, this is a Liberal politician, so that probably wasn't a good segue.
00:02:37.500 But it is interesting that the Liberals have a rather strange belief about a beloved family pastime,
00:02:45.440 which is the Great Canadian Road Trip.
00:02:47.800 So just to set the stage here, the Conservatives are trying to get the Liberals to offer a bit of a reprieve on the carbon tax.
00:02:54.420 They've been trying this for several months.
00:02:56.040 It's not working.
00:02:56.880 The Liberals have just decided to go all in on this.
00:02:59.060 They've not just backed the carbon tax, but they've continued to back increases to it.
00:03:04.000 The Conservatives decided they'll have one just like Hail Mary.
00:03:07.560 Will the Liberals give Canadians a summer break on the tax on fuel?
00:03:12.380 This is what Rachel Thomas, who's a Conservative member of Parliament,
00:03:16.140 tried to get a bit of a commitment from the government on in question period this week.
00:03:20.620 After nine years, this NDP Liberal government is not worth the hunger and homelessness
00:03:24.340 that it's causing so many Canadians across this country.
00:03:27.320 Many Canadians just simply look forward to a small summer vacation, a road trip perhaps.
00:03:31.700 It's normally a time where they can go and camp in the mountains or go to a national park or visit loved ones.
00:03:36.420 But this year, many Canadians can't afford this simple delight
00:03:39.780 because this government has made life too expensive.
00:03:43.540 On Monday, this House will have the opportunity to vote on a common-sense motion
00:03:47.200 to save Canadians 35 cents per litre on gas.
00:03:51.120 Will the Prime Minister vote with us, the common-sense Conservatives,
00:03:54.260 so that Canadians can afford a simple vacation, or will he force them to stay home?
00:04:01.420 The Honourable Minister of Health.
00:04:03.140 Mr. Speaker, good news, kids.
00:04:04.720 You can take a summer fun time vacation where you're locked in a car for 10 consecutive days
00:04:11.040 non-stop with no bathroom breaks, and the Conservatives have a plan for you to have that summertime fun,
00:04:16.380 and the cost?
00:04:17.520 Give up the future of the planet, right?
00:04:20.280 Don't worry, kids, about climate change.
00:04:23.200 Don't worry about taking action on the planet.
00:04:26.140 Enjoy your 10 hours in the car and let the planet burn.
00:04:29.760 So, that was Mark Holland, the Health Minister, who, there's a lot to unpack there.
00:04:39.880 Number one, I don't believe that every man is the image I take of the guy wearing a bowtie
00:04:46.540 talking about the ordinary Canadian family vacation.
00:04:50.120 Number two, I don't know if he's doing it right,
00:04:53.440 if he keeps his kids locked in the car for 10 days without letting them use the bathroom.
00:04:58.180 I feel that's actually a violation of the Geneva Convention.
00:05:01.880 And also, the idea that the planet is burning without the liberal carbon tax,
00:05:06.280 I find a little bit frustrating.
00:05:07.980 I don't know.
00:05:08.760 Harrison, what's your take on this one?
00:05:10.900 Well, my first take on it was that Mark Holland must have had some really bad road trips
00:05:16.420 when he was growing up.
00:05:17.520 It's like some nightmare was just, you know, like brought into his head.
00:05:20.280 He heard road trip, and he had that awful reminder of what his childhood road trips were like.
00:05:25.060 His parents must have been, you know, they must have been the ones keeping him in the car for 10 days straight,
00:05:29.380 no bathroom breaks, just the horror.
00:05:32.420 I don't understand what he's trying to say here, right?
00:05:35.040 Like, is he saying that, you know, kids are going to sit in the car
00:05:39.340 and the conservatives aren't going to do anything for the planet
00:05:41.160 or that the actual road trip is burning the planet?
00:05:44.480 The best part about this was the reaction from the liberals around him.
00:05:48.540 The second that he just starts piping up about the road trip,
00:05:51.480 you can see Seamus O'Regan, like, look up and just not react at all.
00:05:54.940 There's no clapping.
00:05:55.920 He's just, like, shocked at what's going on here.
00:05:58.280 Yeah.
00:05:58.840 This is not the attack that we planned before, Mark.
00:06:01.460 Come on.
00:06:01.940 Figure it out.
00:06:02.780 It's so absurd.
00:06:03.920 So his province is where, like, families take their road trips too.
00:06:07.680 Right.
00:06:10.040 William, did you get the point out of this?
00:06:12.300 I feel like he was trying to do too much with that 30 seconds.
00:06:15.400 Yeah, I mean, tell me you're completely out of touch
00:06:19.200 with the economic reality of most Canadians without directly saying so.
00:06:23.180 A lot of Canadians choose road trips
00:06:25.340 because they're an affordable way to go on vacation.
00:06:28.680 And if you think about it, if you've got a mom and a dad and three kids,
00:06:32.620 you might, just to get from one half of the country to the other,
00:06:35.940 be paying $3,000 or $4,000 in airfare.
00:06:39.280 And that's not something that a lot of people can just drop easily.
00:06:43.340 I suppose for many of the liberals who are used to vacationing
00:06:46.720 on the shores of the Mediterranean and the Greek islands
00:06:49.400 or on the Amalfi Coast in Italy,
00:06:52.120 then a road trip might seem distasteful or something to be ridiculed.
00:06:57.080 But for a lot of Canadian families,
00:06:58.960 the summer road trip is what they look forward to during the year.
00:07:01.620 They work hard.
00:07:02.360 They pay their liberal taxes, you know, many, many taxes.
00:07:05.620 And with the little money they have left,
00:07:07.260 they go on a road trip vacation.
00:07:08.560 They go camping.
00:07:09.500 They go to the Okanagan in BC.
00:07:11.160 They go look at some of the beautiful places that are in Canada.
00:07:14.360 And of course, you've just seen that the government thinks you are contemptuous
00:07:18.580 or contemptible if you indulge in this particular Canadian pastime.
00:07:24.460 Yeah.
00:07:24.700 And the weird thing too, so he's doing two things.
00:07:26.840 He's saying that this is this like horrific assault on the climate,
00:07:29.660 which is bizarre in a way because it's far less carbon intensive
00:07:33.560 to load four people in one car than it is to fly an airplane.
00:07:38.440 So that's one thing there.
00:07:40.260 And also he's just taking aim at the pastime itself, taking aim at the vacation.
00:07:44.460 It's one thing to say this is like a thing I would never do with your kids.
00:07:46.920 Great.
00:07:47.240 I don't think your kids want to be in a car with you, Mark Holland,
00:07:49.680 if that's how you behave.
00:07:52.560 No.
00:07:52.920 I think the Liberals just gave the Conservatives an ad for the entire summer, right?
00:07:58.580 They're going to just roll.
00:07:59.360 They should just roll this as much as they can all throughout the summer.
00:08:03.700 They've just given them such great ammunition here.
00:08:06.280 Such an obvious example of liberal elitism and looking down on average Canadians.
00:08:12.180 It's pathetic.
00:08:13.180 It's unbelievable.
00:08:13.680 And it kind of goes to this whole thing we've been seeing,
00:08:16.860 this trend we're seeing from the Liberals,
00:08:18.840 which is they just seem to be out of all arguments.
00:08:21.420 They have nothing really to say anymore.
00:08:24.580 And they're flailing.
00:08:25.840 They're grasping at straws.
00:08:26.960 And they're kind of, you know, they're reacting on the fly.
00:08:29.640 This is like improv for them right now.
00:08:32.200 And Mark is suffering from a lack of skills in that department.
00:08:37.300 This is what they can do thinking on the fly.
00:08:39.860 It's quite a big indictment of what these guys are able to do
00:08:43.680 when they actually have something important to do,
00:08:45.260 like governing this country.
00:08:46.600 I was also thinking just a moment ago
00:08:49.360 of when the Liberals launched their campaign bus for 2025, the election.
00:08:56.180 It's like, this is just going to be some big, giant Liberal road trip.
00:08:58.860 So, oh, all of a sudden now road trips are good if they're a cross-country tour.
00:09:02.580 Although maybe Trudeau won't be inviting Mark Holland on the tour bus
00:09:05.380 if, you know, it means 10 days with no bathroom breaks.
00:09:07.920 Well, I seem to recall in the last election,
00:09:11.380 didn't the Liberal campaign have two planes, one for-
00:09:14.980 I think it was 2019.
00:09:16.180 I think that was 2019 campaign.
00:09:17.700 One for Liberal MPs or Liberal staffers and one for their luggage.
00:09:22.460 So, you know, if we're really going to talk about
00:09:25.280 who's got the worst impact on the carbon,
00:09:27.460 a Canadian family of four taking a camping or road trip vacation
00:09:31.320 or the Liberal Prime Minister who needs a whole separate plane for his luggage,
00:09:35.000 I think that they have to bear the responsibility for harming the climate themselves.
00:09:40.460 Yeah.
00:09:41.060 Well, it's funny you mentioned that because we haven't actually talked about
00:09:43.420 the underlying claim of Mark Holland's thing,
00:09:45.340 which is that the Liberal carbon tax is preventing the planet from burning.
00:09:50.300 Emissions have gone up for the entirety of the time
00:09:53.400 that the Liberal carbon tax has been in effect.
00:09:56.500 And by the way, the wildfires have not been caused by the absence of a carbon tax.
00:10:00.200 They've been overwhelmingly caused by arson.
00:10:03.420 Well, Andrew, you know, when you say that,
00:10:05.160 we're going to get-
00:10:05.980 we're going to get-
00:10:06.940 who is it?
00:10:07.520 The press progress anti-hate.
00:10:09.180 They'll start timing in.
00:10:10.160 We'll get-
00:10:10.360 we'll get two new viewers on off the record
00:10:11.980 because the second we start talking about wildfires,
00:10:14.020 that's when they start showing up.
00:10:15.600 Let's-
00:10:15.800 Yeah.
00:10:16.100 Don't be careful there.
00:10:16.980 We don't want to go and do any conspiracy theory territory with that.
00:10:20.000 We'll-
00:10:20.440 we'll also get on you.
00:10:21.480 I suspect under-
00:10:22.440 look-
00:10:22.700 if you're watching on YouTube,
00:10:23.680 look under the video.
00:10:24.380 I suspect right now there's a United Nations climate change PSA.
00:10:29.020 Every time.
00:10:29.640 Every time you mention the carbon tax,
00:10:31.460 you get like the link to like the UN-
00:10:33.400 it was either the WHO or the UN.
00:10:35.660 One of them on any episode is there and just-
00:10:38.640 The keyword-
00:10:39.800 the keyword is just climate change.
00:10:41.200 If you say it, you know, once or maybe twice,
00:10:42.920 nice and clear, climate change.
00:10:44.420 Yeah.
00:10:44.900 Now it should show up, no problem.
00:10:47.380 William is still mad that I got us like banned from YouTube
00:10:49.960 for interviewing the MyPillow guy,
00:10:51.580 who's-
00:10:51.960 I don't even want to say his name now.
00:10:53.200 I think that gets you an automatic strike on YouTube.
00:10:56.540 The pillow man-
00:10:57.420 We're still carrying that warning, by the way.
00:10:58.980 Yeah.
00:10:59.380 What was that, Harrison?
00:11:00.620 We're still carrying that warning on our channel.
00:11:02.680 Oh, is it still there?
00:11:03.560 Okay.
00:11:03.960 It's still there.
00:11:04.840 And it's like-
00:11:05.140 All right.
00:11:05.360 You hit the button and it says,
00:11:06.700 your video in June 20th of 2021.
00:11:10.220 We're still going to hold it against you.
00:11:11.700 We're still punishing you for it.
00:11:13.300 Ugh.
00:11:13.700 Should have never wanted to do an episode about pillows.
00:11:15.940 All right.
00:11:16.860 So I think we can move on from Mark Holland
00:11:19.560 and his road trip here.
00:11:21.840 This is a bit more of a serious story,
00:11:24.000 but I think there's an underlying point
00:11:25.900 that we need to hammer here on the media
00:11:27.580 that has been particularly relevant this week.
00:11:30.980 William, take it away.
00:11:33.280 Yeah.
00:11:33.840 I mean, I assume, Andrew,
00:11:35.000 you're referring to the recent stories
00:11:37.640 we had around the three-year anniversary
00:11:39.000 of the residential schools announcement from Kamloops.
00:11:44.120 And yeah, it is an interesting story.
00:11:46.980 It's interesting how much the world has changed
00:11:48.640 in the intervening years.
00:11:50.180 So when this first came out,
00:11:51.940 when there was an announcement
00:11:52.860 by the Kamloops indigenous tribes there
00:11:56.220 that they had found 250 unmarked graves
00:11:59.680 and they believed it would be
00:12:02.240 for the bodies of missing children,
00:12:04.800 the entire Canadian press,
00:12:06.340 in fact, the entire world press,
00:12:08.480 collectively lost their minds.
00:12:10.340 And they talked about how this was a mass grave,
00:12:13.820 to use the terminology of the New York Times.
00:12:15.660 They talked about genocide.
00:12:17.320 Well, True North was really the only media company
00:12:20.300 out there who actually said,
00:12:21.840 wait a minute,
00:12:22.820 what do these ground-penetrating radar surveys
00:12:26.080 actually show?
00:12:27.440 Are these, in fact, graves?
00:12:29.320 And to the point where we were very proud
00:12:31.380 to have published a book about this issue
00:12:34.640 that tried to take some of the emotion
00:12:36.520 out of the argument.
00:12:38.420 Very slowly, legacy media changed how they covered it.
00:12:42.020 Well, except for, as it turns out,
00:12:43.960 the good people of City News Vancouver,
00:12:46.120 who once again repeated the claim
00:12:48.100 that there were 215 unmarked graves
00:12:50.700 located at the site
00:12:52.160 of the former Indian residential school in Kamloops.
00:12:55.920 Thankfully, there was a lot of pushback.
00:12:58.460 On X, you saw readers say,
00:13:00.160 wait a minute, that's not true.
00:13:01.500 There's been zero evidence that there are any graves.
00:13:04.280 There have been no excavations.
00:13:05.820 No bodies have been found, let alone of children.
00:13:07.960 Why are you propagating this myth?
00:13:11.420 And City News did a quiet little edit job.
00:13:14.300 They removed the claim of graves.
00:13:17.240 They said, purported, I believe is the word
00:13:19.880 they put in, purported graves.
00:13:21.640 And they took the author's by name off the article
00:13:25.780 and they just said it was written by news staff.
00:13:28.140 So that's always a sign that maybe you're not
00:13:30.300 the most certain about your story
00:13:32.140 when you take the individual reporter's name off
00:13:34.440 and say it was some unknown anonymous news staff
00:13:38.360 who wrote it.
00:13:39.500 Yeah, and one of the things that I'd point out too
00:13:41.600 is that the Kamloops band actually itself
00:13:44.120 has walked back the claim.
00:13:46.380 They used to say that there was the discovery
00:13:48.120 of bodies of children,
00:13:49.780 and now they say they were anomalies.
00:13:52.800 And again, that's a very key distinction.
00:13:54.540 The New York Times was, I think,
00:13:55.480 probably the most irresponsible in its coverage
00:13:58.540 because a mass grave means something very specific.
00:14:01.220 A mass grave refers to a mass casualty event
00:14:04.900 in which the 215 purportedly children were killed.
00:14:09.220 And I think in general, I had not, to be perfectly frank,
00:14:12.280 before three years ago, heard of ground penetrating radar.
00:14:14.960 I knew it existed, but I didn't know what it was.
00:14:16.940 And it was presented, and again,
00:14:18.960 I think a lot of this was the media,
00:14:20.480 not the Kamloops band,
00:14:22.560 presented as being far more specific
00:14:24.900 and powerful than it actually was.
00:14:28.400 And people were told, oh, wow, ground penetrating radar.
00:14:31.400 And I think everyone was imagining
00:14:32.480 it was like the airport body scanners
00:14:34.040 where you just look at it
00:14:35.500 and you just see in perfect detail
00:14:37.320 everything that's there.
00:14:38.400 And then you realize as you learn about this
00:14:40.660 that it doesn't distinguish between rocks and bones
00:14:43.720 and other disturbances or anomalies here.
00:14:47.020 And the media has, I think, changed its coverage on this.
00:14:50.500 But Harrison, have you seen anything
00:14:52.540 in the way of corrections, retractions,
00:14:56.140 the media saying, hey, maybe we got this wrong?
00:14:59.020 Well, I don't think they'll ever actually say that.
00:15:01.180 If they do get caught,
00:15:02.080 they'll do what City News Vancouver did,
00:15:03.560 which was make that quiet edit.
00:15:05.160 First, it was an editor's note.
00:15:06.480 Then they took the poor writer's name off the article
00:15:09.160 so she wouldn't suffer any abuse on social media.
00:15:12.160 And then they just took the entire tweet down.
00:15:14.460 You brought up the New York Times.
00:15:15.960 And the New York Times has the article up.
00:15:18.760 The headline still reads
00:15:20.460 Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada.
00:15:23.400 It doesn't really, they haven't changed that.
00:15:25.540 Nope, and they have an editor's note,
00:15:27.280 but they don't actually have an editor's note
00:15:29.060 that corrects the headline.
00:15:31.360 They have an editor's note, which they made,
00:15:33.500 but it doesn't actually change the headline of the article.
00:15:35.960 So that just goes to show you
00:15:37.220 the media are completely in line with this.
00:15:40.580 They played a major role in propagating this myth,
00:15:43.920 this anti-Canadian myth
00:15:44.980 that caused so much damage to our country.
00:15:46.740 And a real dark period in our country,
00:15:50.900 which didn't have to be the case.
00:15:52.760 Let's look at the way X played a role in this though
00:15:56.080 with City News Vancouver.
00:15:57.560 They were the ones that put up the community note,
00:16:00.280 the fact check,
00:16:01.240 which resulted in the article being taken down
00:16:03.680 from Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it.
00:16:07.080 Imagine if we had a legitimate community notes service
00:16:10.080 back in 2021 when these claims first came out,
00:16:13.100 we could have saved ourselves the six months
00:16:15.300 of national flagellation.
00:16:17.300 It would have been remarkably different
00:16:20.120 had that actually happened.
00:16:21.460 I have to bring this up though,
00:16:22.700 because that same news outlet, City News Vancouver,
00:16:25.200 they invited BC Regional Assembly of First Nations Chief
00:16:29.380 Terry Teague on to discuss this three-year anniversary.
00:16:32.200 They never pushed back on the claims.
00:16:34.880 They still went along with the discovery of mass graves,
00:16:38.400 reported mass graves,
00:16:39.620 children buried in these findings.
00:16:44.040 And then when asked another question for a follow-up,
00:16:47.680 the chief justified why there had not been any bones found
00:16:51.980 with any of these claims
00:16:54.300 by saying some of these schools had incinerators.
00:16:56.200 So he's making the accusation that these schools
00:16:59.520 just burned the evidence,
00:17:00.940 burned the bodies so that we can never find them.
00:17:03.360 It is remarkable that there are some people
00:17:06.100 who are still trying to push this myth,
00:17:08.420 still trying to push this myth,
00:17:09.520 which I find that's quite harmful
00:17:11.740 to First Nations Canadians,
00:17:13.260 because the longer this goes on
00:17:14.900 and the longer that a lot of these communities
00:17:16.960 are still pushing this message,
00:17:18.620 well, Canadians aren't going to believe
00:17:19.640 the actual problems that still face
00:17:21.760 First Nations communities today.
00:17:23.600 It does them a big disservice
00:17:24.980 when you have chiefs like this
00:17:26.660 talking complete nonsense
00:17:28.340 without backing it up at all.
00:17:30.380 Yeah, look, I've studied history.
00:17:32.580 I love Canadian history.
00:17:33.800 And history has always been about
00:17:35.100 studying the good, the bad, and the ugly.
00:17:36.680 And I do not take the view
00:17:38.600 that the residential schools had a net positive,
00:17:40.760 but I do take the view
00:17:41.720 that they were things that,
00:17:46.000 again, it's so difficult to even talk about.
00:17:47.900 I take the view that the motivations
00:17:49.920 and the outcomes were different.
00:17:51.780 And that tends to be the issue here
00:17:53.200 when people try to look back in history
00:17:54.680 and project with modern sensibilities
00:17:56.920 what had happened there.
00:17:57.840 But there has still not been any evidence
00:17:59.740 of these many, many claims.
00:18:01.380 And it wasn't just Kamloops,
00:18:02.420 because Kamloops started a wave of these claims.
00:18:04.640 And there has never been any support
00:18:07.300 for these so-called discoveries.
00:18:10.120 And that's, I find, what is most concerning here.
00:18:13.140 And that there hasn't even really been
00:18:14.540 a desire to inquire about it,
00:18:16.920 a desire to excavate
00:18:18.540 and do all the other things that you would do
00:18:20.360 if there were some mass criminality
00:18:23.520 that had occurred.
00:18:25.420 Yeah, I mean, here we are three years later
00:18:27.780 with none of these questions answered.
00:18:30.260 There have been no publicly released excavations.
00:18:33.460 There has been no evidence presented
00:18:35.120 by the indigenous groups
00:18:37.300 who have engaged in exploratory work.
00:18:40.200 And the claims for why that is have varied.
00:18:43.320 Look, overall, none of us believe,
00:18:45.360 I think, that residential schools
00:18:46.860 had a positive outcome.
00:18:48.400 There were a lot of really terrible things
00:18:52.020 that occurred at them,
00:18:53.020 and people did suffer.
00:18:54.740 But why diminish that suffering and that pain
00:18:58.600 by inventing falsehoods around things
00:19:02.380 that never did happen?
00:19:03.760 And, you know, In Grave Error,
00:19:05.000 a book, again, that True North published,
00:19:07.440 we go into some detail talking about
00:19:09.840 what those soil disturbances could have been,
00:19:12.380 everything from the fact
00:19:13.300 that there was an apple orchard there,
00:19:15.080 there was irrigation done,
00:19:16.400 there were pits and trenches dug
00:19:19.700 to do renovation work.
00:19:22.120 And, you know, instead of focusing
00:19:23.780 on atrocities that are unprovable
00:19:28.560 and likely did not occur,
00:19:30.260 why don't we focus on healing
00:19:31.660 and coming back from the incidents
00:19:34.700 that we are aware of,
00:19:35.840 the pain that we know that happened?
00:19:37.180 And so the fact that the media glommed onto it
00:19:39.520 the way they did in an almost,
00:19:41.740 you know, they almost seem to be,
00:19:44.440 maybe not happy,
00:19:45.700 but the fact that they glommed on so hard
00:19:47.800 and put so much emphasis on this story,
00:19:50.180 I think is a real disservice,
00:19:51.640 both to Canada as a whole
00:19:52.760 and to our First Nations.
00:19:53.840 And before we move on to the next story,
00:19:55.800 it's important to make sure
00:19:57.240 that this story,
00:19:59.060 these claims were directly linked
00:20:00.700 to a hundred churches being burned down.
00:20:04.020 And look at the way the media treated
00:20:06.080 the claims made by these First Nations bans
00:20:08.980 versus the claims that were being made,
00:20:10.980 versus the evidence
00:20:12.000 and the picture evidence
00:20:13.720 of churches being burned
00:20:15.220 without really trying to investigate
00:20:17.020 who the people were
00:20:18.160 that are behind these burnings.
00:20:19.700 It is completely ridiculous
00:20:21.560 that this story,
00:20:23.060 which resulted in so much damage
00:20:24.780 to Christians in this country,
00:20:26.480 has been treated basically
00:20:28.300 as though it doesn't matter.
00:20:30.180 And you can make these claims,
00:20:31.640 we don't need to really investigate them,
00:20:33.160 we don't need to admit
00:20:33.880 that we made a huge mistake,
00:20:35.900 we can quietly correct our errors
00:20:37.280 or not correct them at all,
00:20:38.260 like in the case of New York Times,
00:20:40.040 while that exact same kind of reporting,
00:20:42.860 that lazy reporting,
00:20:44.000 the politicians who ran with it,
00:20:45.360 directly played a role
00:20:46.440 in burning down a hundred churches.
00:20:48.520 It is remarkable.
00:20:49.400 And I forget,
00:20:50.080 did Justin Trudeau ever comment
00:20:51.500 on the church burning?
00:20:53.460 I think he did once,
00:20:54.820 once or twice.
00:20:55.900 But certainly not with the speed
00:20:57.420 that, you know,
00:20:58.480 vandalism of a mosque comes from
00:21:00.520 or anything to do
00:21:01.240 with the residential school announcements.
00:21:04.000 No, and I don't think he took a knee
00:21:05.360 with a teddy bear
00:21:06.120 outside of a burned church as well,
00:21:08.160 like he did in the case
00:21:09.180 of the Kamloops situation.
00:21:11.140 Yeah.
00:21:12.000 No, it's crazy.
00:21:13.080 And well, then you had,
00:21:14.300 you know,
00:21:14.700 the burn it all down woman
00:21:16.200 in British Columbia.
00:21:18.640 Sean has asked,
00:21:19.560 didn't he say he understood?
00:21:20.760 I think that was Jerry Butts.
00:21:23.080 Wasn't it Jerry Butts
00:21:24.120 that said he understood
00:21:25.020 why people would do it?
00:21:26.260 I might be wrong about that.
00:21:27.340 But yeah,
00:21:28.020 there was a lot,
00:21:28.800 there was a lot of equivocation about it.
00:21:30.660 And that was,
00:21:31.200 I think,
00:21:31.340 the key point.
00:21:32.100 It was that,
00:21:33.340 oh no,
00:21:33.860 apparently Trudeau did say that.
00:21:35.220 Yeah.
00:21:35.560 So all of a sudden,
00:21:36.360 it's about trying to be sympathetic
00:21:38.260 to the church burners.
00:21:40.100 That's the way we do this.
00:21:41.440 Absolutely insane.
00:21:43.080 What else do we have going on here?
00:21:44.600 Oh yes.
00:21:45.040 Well,
00:21:45.380 we couldn't,
00:21:46.280 I mean,
00:21:46.600 yes,
00:21:46.920 the announcement in Kamloops,
00:21:48.920 that was an anniversary this week,
00:21:50.240 but we have to honor every day
00:21:52.900 on the calendar.
00:21:55.000 And I must admit,
00:21:55.760 I missed this one,
00:21:57.380 but it was menstrual hygiene day this week.
00:22:00.960 Now you may think,
00:22:02.360 well,
00:22:02.620 don't worry,
00:22:03.200 Andrew,
00:22:03.340 you probably didn't pay attention
00:22:04.240 because you're a man,
00:22:04.980 but that doesn't mean anything
00:22:05.740 in this day and age.
00:22:06.800 Everyone knows men can menstruate,
00:22:08.380 women can menstruate,
00:22:09.380 they might as well start calling it
00:22:10.540 manstruation.
00:22:11.280 But we had a lot of lecturing
00:22:14.220 from a liberal MPs
00:22:16.020 about menstrual hygiene day.
00:22:18.580 Seamus O'Regan,
00:22:19.700 the minister who was unimpressed
00:22:21.420 by Mark Holland,
00:22:22.540 he has his menstrual hygiene bracelet
00:22:25.420 on there,
00:22:25.980 which I didn't know exists.
00:22:26.980 He'd said,
00:22:28.200 people don't bring their own
00:22:29.220 toilet paper to work,
00:22:30.380 so they shouldn't have to bring
00:22:31.240 their own pads and tampons.
00:22:32.700 We changed that.
00:22:33.760 We put free menstrual products
00:22:35.000 in federally regulated workplace.
00:22:36.960 This bracelet is for
00:22:38.260 menstrual hygiene day.
00:22:39.640 Then we have Marcy Ian,
00:22:42.280 the Liberal Cabinet Minister as well.
00:22:44.240 Periods are a fact of life.
00:22:45.700 Everyone deserves access
00:22:46.700 to affordable menstrual products.
00:22:48.640 Thanks to the Menstrual Equity Fund,
00:22:50.260 over 3 million people across Canada
00:22:51.960 have been able to access
00:22:52.780 this basic need.
00:22:54.320 Ahmed Hassan,
00:22:55.520 the menstrual hygiene observer,
00:22:57.520 says he's committed to a future
00:22:58.900 where women and girls who menstruate
00:23:00.920 can realize their full potential.
00:23:03.580 Wow.
00:23:04.240 It's a barrier for your full potential.
00:23:07.420 And then we have Terry Beach,
00:23:09.520 the Liberal Member of Parliament
00:23:10.680 who decided to give us
00:23:11.620 the full PSA treatment on this.
00:23:14.120 Hi, everyone.
00:23:14.620 Terry Beach,
00:23:15.080 you're Member of Parliament
00:23:15.800 for Bernie Bernard Seymour.
00:23:17.080 This bracelet commemorates May 28th,
00:23:20.420 which is Menstrual Hygiene Day.
00:23:23.460 Now, there are millions of women
00:23:25.660 around the world
00:23:26.500 who are unable to reach
00:23:28.920 their full potential
00:23:29.620 simply because they menstruate.
00:23:32.360 And so this day
00:23:33.740 is about reducing the stigma.
00:23:35.280 As a father of two young girls,
00:23:37.400 I want to make sure
00:23:38.620 that they,
00:23:39.820 along with billions of girls
00:23:42.460 and women around the world,
00:23:43.540 have an equal opportunity
00:23:45.200 that everybody else has.
00:23:46.220 It's also a massive affordability issue.
00:23:48.720 And that's why
00:23:49.220 in all federal workplaces,
00:23:50.960 menstrual products
00:23:51.640 are now available for free.
00:23:53.400 In fact,
00:23:53.700 if you come into my constituency office
00:23:55.320 and use the washroom,
00:23:56.500 you will see that menstrual products
00:23:58.500 are available there as well.
00:23:59.700 So let's end the stigma
00:24:00.920 and commemorate the day
00:24:02.840 and build a better world
00:24:03.680 for women here in Canada,
00:24:06.380 but also right around the world.
00:24:08.040 What was it you said
00:24:09.160 about that video, William?
00:24:11.360 Well, I jokingly said
00:24:12.640 he was manspreading
00:24:13.780 and mansplaining menstruation
00:24:15.920 to women,
00:24:17.240 because who better
00:24:17.840 than a bunch of men MPs
00:24:20.460 to talk about an issue
00:24:22.460 that, frankly,
00:24:24.560 doesn't directly affect them.
00:24:26.020 It's not something that,
00:24:27.460 well, and to be politically correct,
00:24:29.300 it doesn't affect
00:24:30.060 the overwhelming majority
00:24:31.600 of men.
00:24:34.080 You know,
00:24:34.740 I would say
00:24:35.540 possibly people should
00:24:37.020 take Mr. Beach up on his offer.
00:24:38.660 I'd like to see
00:24:39.240 every woman
00:24:40.060 in a 100-kilometer radius
00:24:42.240 who needs any form
00:24:44.020 of menstruation product
00:24:45.600 go to Mr. Beach's office,
00:24:47.940 demand that they be given
00:24:49.740 their free products,
00:24:51.600 and if he runs out,
00:24:53.120 I say that's just a shine
00:24:54.560 of how much he doesn't support women
00:24:56.540 who face this.
00:24:57.980 So I would encourage
00:24:59.200 the tens of thousands of women
00:25:01.080 who live around that area
00:25:02.260 to make sure
00:25:03.040 they only get
00:25:05.020 their products
00:25:05.780 to Mr. Beach's office
00:25:06.820 going forward.
00:25:08.460 It's the epitome
00:25:09.460 of the straw man,
00:25:10.620 which is like
00:25:11.100 you set up a thing,
00:25:12.640 you set up a bogeyman
00:25:13.940 to attack,
00:25:15.240 but no one has actually
00:25:16.260 made the point,
00:25:16.960 is that all of these
00:25:18.060 liberal MPs,
00:25:18.740 it was insanely coordinated,
00:25:20.180 were tweeting about
00:25:20.940 this stigma
00:25:21.600 that doesn't exist,
00:25:23.160 and they're saying
00:25:23.800 we need to break down
00:25:24.600 the stigma.
00:25:25.300 What stigma?
00:25:26.020 This is a bodily function.
00:25:29.100 There's no one
00:25:30.100 that's embarrassed
00:25:31.180 by this discussion.
00:25:33.840 Women can get tampons
00:25:35.420 now in men's washrooms
00:25:36.880 on Parliament Hill.
00:25:37.880 You can get them
00:25:38.400 anywhere you want.
00:25:39.500 So it was like weird,
00:25:40.460 and then it was women
00:25:41.080 that were complaining
00:25:42.080 on X and on Facebook
00:25:43.580 about this.
00:25:44.540 Why do I need these men
00:25:46.020 to tell me it's okay
00:25:47.040 for me to talk
00:25:47.800 about periods?
00:25:49.560 Yeah,
00:25:50.000 they're making it,
00:25:51.120 they're making the stigma
00:25:52.120 by making these videos.
00:25:53.580 This is the same government
00:25:54.960 that puts tampons
00:25:56.000 in male washrooms
00:25:57.080 in the military,
00:25:58.820 right,
00:25:59.060 on every single military base
00:26:00.740 in this country.
00:26:01.500 I looked at the Terry Beach video,
00:26:03.500 and my first reaction to it
00:26:05.320 was that this was
00:26:05.880 some sort of
00:26:06.360 humiliation ritual, right?
00:26:07.740 I didn't see any other
00:26:09.160 male MP,
00:26:10.520 male liberal MPs
00:26:11.560 making a video
00:26:12.300 except for Terry Beach.
00:26:13.880 Terry is,
00:26:14.960 for all intents and purposes,
00:26:16.320 a no-name,
00:26:17.040 backbench liberal MP.
00:26:18.200 He doesn't really qualify
00:26:20.300 to be some sort
00:26:23.020 of cabinet minister.
00:26:23.880 He doesn't really
00:26:24.340 tick off any
00:26:25.000 of the diversity points.
00:26:26.480 So they basically said,
00:26:27.580 we're going to have you
00:26:28.360 make this video,
00:26:29.360 and it's going to be
00:26:30.160 the most embarrassing thing
00:26:31.320 you've ever produced,
00:26:32.200 and you'll have to live with it
00:26:33.480 for the rest of your life.
00:26:34.600 It'll be out there for you.
00:26:35.920 Now,
00:26:36.680 that was my read on it.
00:26:37.940 They picked the one guy
00:26:39.140 who, you know,
00:26:40.140 had to do the humiliation ritual.
00:26:41.940 If you're going to wear
00:26:42.580 the period bracelet,
00:26:44.300 if Terry Beach is going to wear
00:26:45.540 this period bracelet
00:26:46.360 because he needs to end
00:26:47.860 the stigma around the world
00:26:49.320 for women and girls,
00:26:51.540 well,
00:26:51.880 why would you take,
00:26:52.560 he has,
00:26:53.180 he should wear that
00:26:53.720 the entire year.
00:26:55.020 If he really cares about this,
00:26:56.420 cares enough to make
00:26:57.060 a video about it,
00:26:58.100 like Ahmed Hassan as well,
00:26:59.340 they should keep that,
00:27:00.060 they should keep that bracelet
00:27:00.840 on all the time.
00:27:02.520 Otherwise,
00:27:02.920 it's just,
00:27:03.380 you know,
00:27:03.620 they don't care about it.
00:27:04.560 Let's make it like
00:27:05.600 a mark of shame.
00:27:08.220 You know,
00:27:08.380 if you're going to be
00:27:08.960 that weird,
00:27:09.940 you have to wear
00:27:10.500 this bracelet everywhere
00:27:11.400 so people can know
00:27:12.140 that you're just that creepy
00:27:13.700 to talk about menstruation
00:27:15.840 like that.
00:27:16.160 Can you put up
00:27:16.920 the Seamus O'Regan
00:27:18.100 graphic again,
00:27:19.180 Sean?
00:27:19.520 I should explain
00:27:20.380 the symbolism.
00:27:21.180 So apparently
00:27:21.740 it's got 28 beads
00:27:23.840 and five red ones.
00:27:26.120 The five red ones
00:27:27.360 are supposed to
00:27:28.600 honor the five days
00:27:31.420 in a 28-day period
00:27:32.560 that women are menstruating.
00:27:34.580 And I had one woman
00:27:35.400 tell me,
00:27:35.960 well,
00:27:36.040 this is actually offensive
00:27:36.820 to women who,
00:27:37.560 you know,
00:27:37.740 menstruate for six or seven days,
00:27:39.100 which is getting
00:27:40.340 into a level of specificity
00:27:41.600 I will confess
00:27:42.400 to not be an expert in.
00:27:43.880 But the thing
00:27:44.700 that I find interesting
00:27:45.680 about this
00:27:46.060 is that like
00:27:46.800 what other bodily functions
00:27:48.100 do we need a bracelet for?
00:27:49.880 Like,
00:27:50.060 do we get like
00:27:50.560 the brown diarrhea
00:27:51.560 awareness bracelet?
00:27:52.860 Do we do the,
00:27:53.900 you know,
00:27:54.120 a yellow one?
00:27:54.980 Do we do like
00:27:55.460 a dark yellow one
00:27:56.320 when you're not hydrated enough
00:27:57.780 and your urine
00:27:58.800 is coming a little dark?
00:27:59.800 Like,
00:28:00.240 like what,
00:28:00.660 how many bodily fluids
00:28:01.720 need their own commemorative
00:28:02.920 bracelets is the question.
00:28:04.340 You know,
00:28:04.520 they sold a lot
00:28:05.120 of these bracelets
00:28:05.740 and I'm wondering
00:28:06.300 if maybe a,
00:28:07.280 a wife or a husband
00:28:08.920 of a liberal
00:28:09.560 member of parliament
00:28:10.640 is manufacturing
00:28:11.520 from these bracelets
00:28:12.120 and they're,
00:28:12.640 they're somehow managing
00:28:13.940 to get,
00:28:14.480 get a workaround
00:28:15.200 and finding,
00:28:16.200 finding a way
00:28:16.800 to make some money
00:28:17.480 off this.
00:28:18.160 Well,
00:28:18.400 Terry Beach said
00:28:19.220 he had his daughter.
00:28:20.560 Yeah,
00:28:20.780 Terry Beach had two daughters.
00:28:21.900 So maybe one of his daughters
00:28:22.880 had just started doing beading
00:28:24.300 and he realized that,
00:28:26.280 you know,
00:28:26.420 screw girl guide cookies.
00:28:27.500 We can make a lot of money
00:28:28.360 just selling like
00:28:29.100 every member of parliament
00:28:30.260 in a menstrual hygiene bracelet.
00:28:32.800 It is,
00:28:33.800 you know,
00:28:34.440 a case of just
00:28:35.440 such crass politics
00:28:36.580 where the liberal government
00:28:38.300 who is so bereft
00:28:39.880 of policy solutions
00:28:41.480 and anything to talk about
00:28:42.480 that they are,
00:28:43.500 are trying to pick
00:28:44.760 the few issues
00:28:45.660 where they think
00:28:46.340 they still have
00:28:47.500 some sort of
00:28:48.220 political advantage.
00:28:49.100 You think back to,
00:28:50.280 you know,
00:28:51.420 last week
00:28:52.240 where they were once again
00:28:53.360 railing about abortion.
00:28:55.140 You know,
00:28:55.780 you've now got
00:28:56.640 gun control back
00:28:58.020 on the agenda
00:28:58.640 with a plan
00:28:59.220 to have Canada Post
00:29:00.240 be part of,
00:29:01.400 of taking guns
00:29:03.240 off the streets.
00:29:04.140 They can barely get
00:29:05.180 mail in mailboxes.
00:29:06.360 So I don't know
00:29:06.900 how they expect
00:29:07.520 to be able to get
00:29:08.160 guns off streets.
00:29:09.680 And now you've got this.
00:29:11.140 And the fact is
00:29:11.860 people can't afford groceries.
00:29:13.400 They can't afford gas.
00:29:14.720 They can't afford their rents.
00:29:15.940 They can't afford to buy houses.
00:29:17.720 I don't think anybody's
00:29:18.700 going to go into
00:29:19.120 the next election
00:29:19.820 and say,
00:29:20.840 oh,
00:29:21.040 but don't worry.
00:29:21.840 I'm voting for the party
00:29:23.000 that's good on menstruation.
00:29:25.780 Yeah,
00:29:26.220 that's,
00:29:27.240 well,
00:29:27.660 you know,
00:29:28.000 I'm not allowed
00:29:28.380 to take a road trip.
00:29:29.560 And actually,
00:29:30.540 maybe how Mark Holland
00:29:32.440 is not being
00:29:33.180 menstrually aware
00:29:34.300 if he's keeping kids
00:29:35.660 in his car
00:29:36.160 for 10 days.
00:29:36.960 You know,
00:29:37.520 you never know.
00:29:40.000 Maybe this is all,
00:29:41.200 so here's the segue
00:29:41.960 we'll find.
00:29:42.840 Maybe this is an example
00:29:44.020 of men undergoing
00:29:45.520 the behavioral change
00:29:46.860 that they're seeking
00:29:47.940 in Australia.
00:29:48.780 Why don't you take it away,
00:29:49.640 Harrison?
00:29:50.380 Yes.
00:29:50.960 So there is a new
00:29:51.960 cabinet post
00:29:52.940 in the province
00:29:54.020 of Victoria
00:29:54.740 in Australia,
00:29:56.840 which is now
00:29:58.140 for men's behavior change.
00:29:59.980 It is now
00:30:00.400 an official cabinet post,
00:30:01.920 Australia's first
00:30:03.120 minister
00:30:04.060 of men's behavior change
00:30:06.560 in an attempt
00:30:07.680 to try to
00:30:08.360 stop
00:30:09.240 domestic violence
00:30:11.020 and a recent rise
00:30:13.260 in the killing
00:30:15.000 of women
00:30:15.580 in Victoria.
00:30:16.700 They somehow think
00:30:17.820 that this is going to
00:30:19.160 really solve this problem.
00:30:21.440 The problem is
00:30:22.280 when they announced
00:30:23.420 this position,
00:30:24.620 the entire world
00:30:25.720 mocked them for it
00:30:26.840 and they probably
00:30:27.980 pushed back
00:30:28.860 the objectives
00:30:29.580 of this ministry
00:30:30.600 by like five or six years
00:30:32.720 just by announcing
00:30:33.380 the ministry itself
00:30:34.280 because everybody
00:30:35.260 thinks it's a complete
00:30:36.120 joke.
00:30:37.340 3.6 thousand replies.
00:30:39.160 This is the ratio here,
00:30:40.540 so we're going back
00:30:41.260 to my bread and butter.
00:30:42.420 Let me just address
00:30:42.980 the ratio here
00:30:43.660 on this guy's tweet.
00:30:44.620 Tim Richardson,
00:30:45.640 he's the new
00:30:46.100 men's behavior change
00:30:47.320 minister.
00:30:48.440 3.6 thousand replies
00:30:49.980 to 724 likes.
00:30:52.560 He's been getting
00:30:53.400 absolutely destroyed
00:30:55.100 in the comments
00:30:55.780 and rightly so.
00:30:57.420 I'm not quite sure
00:30:58.200 what they intend
00:30:58.840 to achieve here
00:30:59.720 by creating this position.
00:31:02.620 It's like,
00:31:03.040 you know,
00:31:03.220 there's a problem
00:31:04.860 and they've created
00:31:05.840 a cabinet post
00:31:07.000 which won't do
00:31:07.560 anything at all
00:31:08.240 but it'll make them
00:31:09.300 appear like they're
00:31:09.940 taking it seriously.
00:31:11.340 It really is remarkable.
00:31:13.220 What do you guys think?
00:31:14.400 Yeah, I mean,
00:31:14.900 I think domestic violence
00:31:16.080 is atrocious
00:31:17.320 and I think it's very serious
00:31:18.540 and I know Australia
00:31:19.240 has had a problem with it
00:31:20.320 and the way you deal
00:31:21.420 with that is certainly
00:31:22.380 by enforcing the law
00:31:23.680 and I think there
00:31:24.180 are ways that you can
00:31:25.460 instill education
00:31:26.500 and all of these things
00:31:27.960 and even if the core
00:31:30.160 of the problem
00:31:31.040 is that you need
00:31:31.880 to get certain men
00:31:32.780 to change their behaviors,
00:31:34.720 the way that this
00:31:35.520 has been criticized
00:31:36.220 is that you're basically
00:31:37.500 saying that all men
00:31:38.260 are the problem
00:31:39.020 and that all men
00:31:39.960 need to do this
00:31:40.620 and it really,
00:31:41.840 when people were looking
00:31:42.600 at the headline,
00:31:43.260 a lot of people
00:31:43.840 didn't even know
00:31:44.600 it was about domestic violence.
00:31:45.840 They thought it was like
00:31:46.500 this woke crusade
00:31:47.460 against toxic masculinity
00:31:48.660 like the Gillette ads
00:31:50.180 a couple of years ago.
00:31:51.000 So when people
00:31:51.880 just inherently tune out,
00:31:53.120 it means that
00:31:53.560 you've missed your mark.
00:31:55.880 Yeah, I mean,
00:31:56.660 I'm a big fan
00:31:57.300 of Margaret Thatcher's
00:31:58.280 approach that,
00:31:59.240 you know,
00:31:59.680 rarely does putting
00:32:00.560 a minister in charge
00:32:01.460 of a problem
00:32:02.020 actually fix it.
00:32:03.460 In fact,
00:32:03.980 it's a pretty certain
00:32:05.160 way of guaranteeing
00:32:06.120 there'll always be
00:32:06.900 a problem,
00:32:07.560 especially if a minister's
00:32:08.680 job depends on
00:32:09.980 the problem keeping existing.
00:32:11.780 But no,
00:32:12.140 you're absolutely right
00:32:12.840 that, you know,
00:32:14.120 the problem of domestic
00:32:15.100 violence is huge
00:32:16.540 and made worse,
00:32:17.320 by the way,
00:32:17.740 when we allow
00:32:18.980 biological males
00:32:20.440 to enter women's spaces,
00:32:22.540 women's shelters
00:32:23.260 and things like that,
00:32:24.240 which the progressives
00:32:25.140 have said is
00:32:26.280 it's intolerant
00:32:27.600 to try and discriminate
00:32:28.940 against these people
00:32:30.000 from using those facilities.
00:32:31.800 But ultimately,
00:32:33.240 being tougher
00:32:34.040 on the crime
00:32:35.460 of domestic violence,
00:32:36.480 having real sentences,
00:32:38.080 real consequences
00:32:38.900 for engaging it
00:32:39.960 is one of the ways
00:32:41.220 we ensure
00:32:41.960 it isn't repeated
00:32:43.400 by those who are,
00:32:45.140 you know,
00:32:45.600 are repeat offenders.
00:32:46.500 So you think back
00:32:47.140 in Canada,
00:32:47.740 where the policy
00:32:48.820 is to get arrested
00:32:49.920 and within 24 hours
00:32:51.560 we make sure
00:32:52.220 you're back on the street
00:32:53.300 able to re-offend again,
00:32:55.980 well, of course
00:32:56.700 we're going to see
00:32:57.300 repeat offenders
00:32:57.940 in areas like
00:32:58.800 domestic violence.
00:32:59.680 We're going to see
00:33:00.280 these people
00:33:00.860 who have beaten
00:33:01.960 one woman
00:33:02.560 beat another woman.
00:33:03.480 So the key is
00:33:04.120 to not let them
00:33:04.780 back on the street
00:33:05.460 where they're beating women.
00:33:07.200 Andrew,
00:33:07.460 do you remember
00:33:07.880 the story of
00:33:08.860 in London
00:33:09.480 when Sadiq Khan
00:33:10.900 made this campaign
00:33:12.280 and it was called
00:33:12.860 the mate campaign,
00:33:14.220 say mate
00:33:14.840 to try to stop
00:33:16.540 domestic violence
00:33:17.660 and, you know,
00:33:18.640 harassing women
00:33:19.240 on the street.
00:33:19.980 I have a feeling
00:33:20.600 that this position here
00:33:21.760 as we've discussed
00:33:22.660 is not going to do
00:33:23.300 anything to fix
00:33:23.960 the situation
00:33:24.620 but they're just
00:33:25.340 going to come up
00:33:25.800 with, you know,
00:33:26.480 new campaigns
00:33:27.260 like it probably will
00:33:28.820 be like,
00:33:30.080 say mate,
00:33:31.460 you know,
00:33:32.340 crikey
00:33:32.740 whenever you see
00:33:33.420 something bad.
00:33:34.060 Like they're going
00:33:34.500 to come up
00:33:34.840 with some nonsense,
00:33:35.920 you know,
00:33:36.220 graphics and campaigns
00:33:37.760 that aren't going
00:33:38.120 to do anything.
00:33:39.600 Yeah, it's going
00:33:40.260 to be a PSA
00:33:41.040 and at a certain point
00:33:41.980 you're talking
00:33:42.420 about a violence issue,
00:33:43.440 you're talking
00:33:43.760 about a justice issue,
00:33:44.700 you have to look
00:33:45.320 at the underlying causes
00:33:46.340 but the people
00:33:47.320 that are causing
00:33:48.000 these problems
00:33:48.740 are not going
00:33:49.300 to be like,
00:33:50.160 well, I don't know,
00:33:50.900 that Aussie bloke
00:33:51.640 on TV told me
00:33:53.120 I need to change
00:33:53.760 my behavior
00:33:54.360 so yeah,
00:33:55.580 everything's good now.
00:33:56.720 Thank you.
00:33:57.900 Yeah, it's ridiculous
00:33:59.160 and what rules
00:34:00.260 are in place
00:34:02.440 that are not being enforced
00:34:03.600 when it comes
00:34:04.140 to this stuff?
00:34:04.880 Are they going
00:34:05.160 to create more laws
00:34:06.220 about this stuff?
00:34:06.880 I'm sure that
00:34:07.520 domestic violence
00:34:08.560 is against the law
00:34:09.920 and abuse
00:34:11.280 of your spouses
00:34:12.960 against the law
00:34:13.580 in Australia
00:34:14.000 so why can't
00:34:15.080 they just enforce
00:34:15.840 the laws?
00:34:16.940 Well, one of the challenges
00:34:18.000 in this discussion
00:34:18.780 is that like
00:34:19.460 the way you protect women
00:34:21.100 is by giving them
00:34:21.840 spaces to go,
00:34:22.720 you give them shelters
00:34:23.500 to go to,
00:34:24.040 you fund those shelters
00:34:25.440 and there's a contingent
00:34:26.560 of the population
00:34:27.200 that says,
00:34:27.840 well, hang on,
00:34:28.420 that's missing the point,
00:34:29.300 we need to get men
00:34:30.140 to stop abusing women.
00:34:31.760 Well, yeah,
00:34:32.200 but you also need
00:34:32.880 to provide women
00:34:33.600 opportunities to get
00:34:34.700 out of these situations
00:34:35.740 and again,
00:34:36.680 I don't know
00:34:37.200 the state of the shelter
00:34:39.020 system in Australia
00:34:39.880 I think your point,
00:34:40.700 William,
00:34:40.900 is very valid,
00:34:42.080 making sure these shelters
00:34:43.200 actually stay
00:34:44.520 as safe spaces for women.
00:34:47.060 Yeah, I mean,
00:34:48.140 I'm sure there are
00:34:49.540 more things that can be done
00:34:50.800 and I would hope that,
00:34:53.380 you know,
00:34:53.960 I don't like to argue
00:34:55.340 for higher government spending
00:34:56.660 because I think so many
00:34:57.620 of our tax dollars
00:34:58.380 are badly spent,
00:34:59.840 but funding things
00:35:01.220 that have a material impact
00:35:02.760 on helping women
00:35:03.600 be safer
00:35:04.640 and to have places
00:35:05.960 where they can go,
00:35:07.160 systems that allow them
00:35:08.280 to more easily
00:35:09.360 report domestic violence,
00:35:11.820 have it investigated
00:35:12.580 and not result in women
00:35:15.140 who do leave their husbands
00:35:16.920 being, you know,
00:35:17.860 in abject poverty
00:35:18.940 or something like that,
00:35:20.740 I think are all valid,
00:35:21.780 but certainly the idea
00:35:23.080 that we're going to treat
00:35:24.620 all men as the problem,
00:35:26.100 I think just starts off
00:35:28.320 on the foot
00:35:28.940 of making most men
00:35:30.240 feel unreceptive
00:35:31.820 to any form of the changes
00:35:33.460 that the government
00:35:34.320 might suggest.
00:35:35.020 you don't like being told
00:35:36.400 that you're a problem
00:35:38.340 or that you're,
00:35:39.740 because of something
00:35:40.320 you can't control,
00:35:41.500 that you are suspect.
00:35:43.000 And then certainly
00:35:43.660 the terrible people
00:35:45.160 who engage in domestic violence
00:35:46.780 are very rarely receptive
00:35:48.520 to public service announcements.
00:35:50.800 It's the same way
00:35:51.860 that the gun registry
00:35:54.000 didn't reduce illegal gun crime
00:35:56.400 because if you're willing
00:35:57.360 to steal a firearm
00:35:59.220 and murder someone with it,
00:36:00.700 you're probably willing
00:36:01.680 not to fill out
00:36:02.660 the government form
00:36:03.600 to register your weapons.
00:36:05.740 So it makes about
00:36:06.600 as much sense
00:36:07.340 as the gun registry,
00:36:10.380 which is why
00:36:10.740 the gun registry
00:36:11.320 was not widely popular
00:36:12.740 here in Canada.
00:36:13.760 Indeed.
00:36:14.480 All right,
00:36:14.880 we will close things out
00:36:16.120 on a self-indulgent note
00:36:17.600 on my part.
00:36:18.260 So as I've talked about
00:36:19.200 on my show,
00:36:19.820 my new book came out this week,
00:36:21.580 Pierre Polly have a political life.
00:36:23.880 It's a banger of a biography
00:36:25.280 about the Conservative Party
00:36:26.680 of Canada leader.
00:36:27.680 And I've been very grateful
00:36:28.540 that there's been
00:36:29.040 a tremendous amount
00:36:30.200 of interest from the media.
00:36:31.500 I was on my colleague
00:36:32.700 Rachel Emanuel's show.
00:36:33.920 I've been on,
00:36:34.860 interviewed on newspapers,
00:36:36.140 radio, podcasting,
00:36:37.280 and even,
00:36:38.280 don't hold it against me,
00:36:39.700 CBC.
00:36:41.220 CBC's Power in Politics
00:36:42.600 with David Cochran
00:36:43.720 very kindly had me on
00:36:45.020 for a relatively long interview.
00:36:47.240 And I spoke about
00:36:48.340 my experiences
00:36:49.120 writing the book
00:36:49.840 and some of the conclusions
00:36:50.840 I've taken away
00:36:51.640 and had a nice chat
00:36:52.680 with David Cochran.
00:36:53.980 Well, this has been converted
00:36:55.900 into a liberal attack ad,
00:36:58.480 believe it or not.
00:36:59.100 Take a look.
00:36:59.600 How aggressive
00:37:01.580 do you think he will be
00:37:02.940 should he win?
00:37:04.480 I mean, one friend of his
00:37:05.560 that I quote in the book,
00:37:06.760 Adam Dyfala,
00:37:07.700 predicts a Mike Harris
00:37:09.380 first term.
00:37:10.580 Just a year into its mandate,
00:37:12.060 the Harris government
00:37:12.860 began implementing
00:37:13.900 a series of drastic reforms
00:37:15.800 in the hospital centre.
00:37:16.020 I like the scary music.
00:37:17.200 Operating budgets
00:37:18.120 were cut by almost
00:37:19.100 1.3 billion dollars.
00:37:21.380 The result?
00:37:22.220 A lot of staff
00:37:23.160 lost their jobs.
00:37:24.180 Mike Harris
00:37:24.900 seems determined
00:37:25.620 to tell the people of Ontario
00:37:26.980 that it's business as usual,
00:37:28.900 that the government
00:37:29.760 is determined
00:37:30.540 to carry on
00:37:31.420 with its deficit slashing,
00:37:33.280 tax cutting agenda.
00:37:34.740 But what I remember
00:37:35.800 are all the cuts
00:37:37.800 and deregulation.
00:37:40.380 And of course,
00:37:41.020 I remember Walkerton.
00:37:42.440 In Walkerton,
00:37:43.620 seven people died
00:37:44.720 and thousands became sick
00:37:46.360 when E. coli bacteria
00:37:47.920 in the local water system.
00:37:50.140 A judicial review
00:37:50.960 found cuts to the Ministry
00:37:52.260 of Environment
00:37:52.980 were partly to blame.
00:37:54.880 Predicts a Mike Harris
00:37:56.420 first term.
00:37:59.780 Now, by the way,
00:38:01.080 you may recall,
00:38:02.240 just to go back
00:38:03.160 a couple of years,
00:38:04.220 CBC sued the Conservatives
00:38:06.180 for using CBC footage
00:38:08.000 in an ad.
00:38:09.960 So I don't know
00:38:10.820 if the CBC
00:38:12.060 is going to sue the Liberals
00:38:13.240 for using their footage
00:38:14.060 in this one.
00:38:15.280 I find this just hilarious.
00:38:17.020 I mean,
00:38:17.220 now I've had the privilege
00:38:18.360 of starring in two attack ads.
00:38:20.020 I was in a conservative attack ad
00:38:22.280 against the PPC once
00:38:23.560 and I've now been
00:38:24.320 in a liberal attack ad.
00:38:25.360 So I just need Jagmeet Singh
00:38:26.440 to, you know,
00:38:27.340 pluck me in an ad
00:38:28.060 and then I'll have the trifecta.
00:38:29.900 But William,
00:38:31.200 what's your take on this?
00:38:32.480 I mean,
00:38:32.640 because you were actually around
00:38:33.460 when Mike Harris was,
00:38:34.660 you know,
00:38:35.120 this very popular figure
00:38:36.780 in the conservative movement.
00:38:38.520 Yeah, I mean,
00:38:39.220 my political background
00:38:40.280 means I do love
00:38:41.200 a good attack ad.
00:38:42.080 I, you know,
00:38:43.220 nobody likes to watch them,
00:38:44.320 but I do.
00:38:44.860 I have a cache of them
00:38:46.880 on my computer
00:38:47.880 that I sometimes rewatch
00:38:49.680 for nostalgia's sake.
00:38:51.200 But I think
00:38:51.800 one of the problems
00:38:52.460 with this ad
00:38:53.200 is something you just hit on
00:38:54.420 where a huge number of people
00:38:56.020 are going to watch that
00:38:56.820 and go,
00:38:57.820 right,
00:38:58.500 and who's Mike Harris?
00:38:59.940 Because he hasn't been premier
00:39:01.680 in a long,
00:39:03.200 long time.
00:39:04.180 And the fact
00:39:05.100 that they're having
00:39:05.580 to go back that far
00:39:07.120 just shows that they...
00:39:08.820 It was literally 29 years.
00:39:10.520 29 years since he was elected.
00:39:12.120 Yeah, so 30 years.
00:39:13.380 And, you know,
00:39:14.800 so people who were 18 or 20
00:39:17.780 are now going to be 50
00:39:19.360 to remember it.
00:39:21.300 And so,
00:39:21.900 I don't know.
00:39:22.600 To me,
00:39:23.340 it shows that
00:39:24.500 they're on pretty thin ice.
00:39:25.940 That the fact
00:39:26.420 that you have to reference
00:39:27.200 something 30 years ago
00:39:28.720 in order to try
00:39:29.900 and make an attack ad
00:39:30.880 shows that the well
00:39:31.860 is pretty dry
00:39:32.860 when it comes
00:39:33.900 to attack ads.
00:39:35.300 That being said,
00:39:36.100 I'm sure that the
00:39:36.940 10 or 12 people
00:39:38.420 who watch
00:39:39.200 David Cochran's
00:39:40.680 Power and Politics show
00:39:41.640 will be absolutely outraged
00:39:43.260 by the comparison
00:39:45.340 to Mike Harris.
00:39:47.740 Well,
00:39:48.300 I hear,
00:39:48.840 you know,
00:39:49.820 massive cuts
00:39:50.680 to a bloated government.
00:39:52.080 I feel like
00:39:52.520 that sounds like
00:39:53.060 a pretty good time.
00:39:53.940 I feel like
00:39:54.260 I missed a good time
00:39:55.120 back then.
00:39:56.080 I wish I was around
00:39:57.000 to enjoy it in Ontario.
00:39:58.200 We could certainly
00:39:58.720 deal with that now.
00:39:59.960 I found it interesting,
00:40:01.140 Andrew,
00:40:01.280 at the beginning
00:40:01.780 of the interview
00:40:02.360 you had with David Cochran,
00:40:04.100 he made the point
00:40:04.740 that he said,
00:40:05.660 I wonder what
00:40:06.540 the True North audience
00:40:07.520 is thinking
00:40:07.960 having you join us
00:40:09.620 on CBC
00:40:10.260 and the CBC audience
00:40:11.540 is going to freak out
00:40:12.360 having the dangerous
00:40:14.180 conservative Andrew Lawton
00:40:15.600 on CBC.
00:40:17.040 I don't think
00:40:17.760 the True North audience
00:40:18.640 actually was too upset
00:40:20.520 that you were on CBC.
00:40:21.440 No, no.
00:40:21.900 Everyone's like,
00:40:22.340 oh, great.
00:40:22.720 Good for you.
00:40:23.300 Yeah.
00:40:23.640 I think they would like us
00:40:24.740 to see us
00:40:26.560 go on CBC
00:40:29.000 and challenge them
00:40:29.900 face to face
00:40:30.580 more often.
00:40:31.720 Like if we were on CBC
00:40:32.820 and they invited us,
00:40:33.840 we could have some debates
00:40:34.720 with them.
00:40:35.520 That would make for
00:40:36.040 some great content.
00:40:36.940 It might actually
00:40:37.420 increase the views
00:40:38.580 of the CBC as well.
00:40:39.660 It's a win-win.
00:40:40.340 I see it.
00:40:41.520 So I was also,
00:40:42.560 when was it?
00:40:43.140 I think it was on,
00:40:43.700 I recorded it on Sunday
00:40:44.800 and it came out on Tuesday.
00:40:45.980 I was on Peter Mansbridge's podcast.
00:40:47.840 So Peter Mansbridge,
00:40:48.680 the longtime CBC guy
00:40:50.200 has a podcast now
00:40:51.220 and we had a very lovely chat.
00:40:52.920 He had me on for,
00:40:53.600 I think it was like
00:40:53.960 40 minutes or so
00:40:54.840 and oh my goodness,
00:40:56.940 his audience
00:40:58.020 has not forgiven him.
00:40:59.580 You want to see
00:41:00.080 a ratio, Harrison?
00:41:01.440 I've seen the comments.
00:41:02.260 Look at the tweet
00:41:03.380 from Peter Mansbridge
00:41:04.360 announcing that I was
00:41:05.320 on his show.
00:41:06.120 I feel bad for the guy
00:41:07.220 because he's thinking,
00:41:07.980 oh great,
00:41:08.400 I'm going to reach
00:41:09.320 across the aisle
00:41:10.080 and talk to this
00:41:10.760 conservative author
00:41:11.680 and show that I'm
00:41:12.360 a fair newsman
00:41:13.460 and now his people
00:41:14.460 are like,
00:41:14.780 I'm unsubscribing.
00:41:15.860 I'm never,
00:41:16.220 how dare you have
00:41:17.020 Andrew Lawton on?
00:41:17.820 It was even more
00:41:18.640 unhinged than the CBC audience.
00:41:20.980 Don't you think
00:41:21.600 that says something though
00:41:22.500 that our audience
00:41:23.760 would be like,
00:41:24.700 would be super pumped
00:41:25.700 when we get to go on these?
00:41:26.860 Like obviously
00:41:27.640 the interview you had
00:41:28.520 with Mansbridge
00:41:29.040 wasn't a confrontational interview
00:41:30.920 but had it been,
00:41:32.940 you know,
00:41:33.380 had it been the sort of thing
00:41:34.320 where they wanted
00:41:34.800 to challenge us
00:41:35.560 on certain issues,
00:41:36.840 I think our audience,
00:41:37.880 the conservative audience,
00:41:38.860 they'd be like super up for it.
00:41:40.220 They'd tune in,
00:41:41.160 they'd be super into it
00:41:42.040 and the current audience
00:41:44.220 on these legacy media platforms,
00:41:45.780 those that are hanging on
00:41:46.620 to the podcasts
00:41:47.500 of Peter Mansbridge
00:41:48.320 and the CBC,
00:41:50.380 they can't even handle that.
00:41:51.640 They don't want
00:41:51.940 the platform to be given.
00:41:52.900 They don't even want
00:41:53.380 to be pushed back
00:41:54.060 on the ideas.
00:41:54.560 They don't want to be
00:41:55.000 exposed to new ideas.
00:41:56.400 It says a lot.
00:41:57.020 Yeah, it happened
00:41:58.340 when my Convoy book
00:41:59.940 came out two years ago.
00:42:02.140 I went on Justin Ling's podcast
00:42:03.740 who's a,
00:42:04.280 I'd say a left-wing journalist.
00:42:05.520 I don't think he would
00:42:06.020 reject that description
00:42:08.120 and we had a great chat.
00:42:09.800 He had me on
00:42:10.440 and was one of the only
00:42:11.580 non-right-leaning people
00:42:13.220 to interview me
00:42:13.920 for that book
00:42:14.480 and then I had had him
00:42:15.960 on my show
00:42:16.560 about something else
00:42:17.380 around the same time
00:42:18.320 and exactly what you
00:42:19.900 just described there
00:42:20.640 happened, Harrison,
00:42:21.360 where his audience,
00:42:22.200 a lot of them were like,
00:42:23.080 you know,
00:42:23.240 how dare you platform
00:42:24.160 this Andrew Lawton guy
00:42:25.140 and my audience was like,
00:42:27.020 well, I don't like Justin Ling
00:42:28.060 but that was a good chat
00:42:28.940 or oh, I'm glad
00:42:29.540 you had him on.
00:42:31.040 People actually appreciated
00:42:32.460 that dialogue
00:42:33.540 and I think that's one
00:42:34.340 of the profound differences
00:42:35.360 between the left
00:42:36.040 and the right
00:42:36.440 and it's why
00:42:36.880 the free speech fight
00:42:37.840 is so important
00:42:38.900 because we want
00:42:39.560 to engage in the debate.
00:42:40.800 A lot of them
00:42:41.360 want to shut down
00:42:41.960 the debate.
00:42:42.360 I think it's such
00:42:45.080 an interesting comparison
00:42:46.520 to even today's
00:42:48.680 the issue
00:42:50.140 of Palestinian protests
00:42:51.240 and the fact
00:42:52.280 that there are groups
00:42:53.040 out there
00:42:53.400 trying to deplatform
00:42:54.740 anybody who has
00:42:56.140 any association
00:42:56.920 with Israel
00:42:57.580 or anyone
00:42:59.380 who has dared
00:43:00.780 to be associated
00:43:02.620 with a Jewish person.
00:43:04.300 I think I read
00:43:05.260 an article that said
00:43:06.180 in Chicago
00:43:07.480 there was a list
00:43:08.400 of a group chat
00:43:09.840 or a conversation
00:43:10.600 amongst therapists
00:43:11.500 and they said
00:43:12.360 well who here
00:43:13.280 could treat a Zionist
00:43:15.580 who's having mental issues
00:43:17.660 and anybody who responded
00:43:18.900 to that group chat
00:43:19.560 saying they would
00:43:20.320 they got put on a list
00:43:21.760 of these are the Zionist
00:43:23.760 supporters in our ranks
00:43:25.380 and the idea
00:43:26.720 that if you disagree
00:43:29.040 with someone politically
00:43:29.980 they're not just wrong
00:43:31.100 but they're evil
00:43:32.520 and they need to be removed
00:43:34.680 and frankly
00:43:35.560 a lot of them think killed
00:43:37.000 I think is the intolerance
00:43:39.540 of the progressive left
00:43:40.640 that is now really
00:43:41.680 showing its face
00:43:42.520 in things
00:43:43.480 and I think most recently
00:43:44.420 in the ongoing protests
00:43:47.040 regarding Palestine
00:43:49.200 and the Hamas attacks
00:43:51.520 of October 7th.
00:43:52.840 Yeah.
00:43:53.300 Very well said.
00:43:54.420 All right.
00:43:54.660 Well that does it for us
00:43:55.920 for another Off the Record.
00:43:57.360 Thanks to Harrison Faulkner
00:43:58.540 and William Macbeth
00:43:59.580 as always
00:44:00.000 for your contributions.
00:44:01.440 I'm Andrew Lawton.
00:44:02.200 Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
00:44:09.540 He got me off
00:44:13.300 before I did the tagline.
00:44:14.520 I was supposed to say
00:44:15.240 and everything was
00:44:15.800 off the record.
00:44:16.460 Oh well.
00:44:17.540 I'm waiting for my invitation
00:44:18.840 to join Rosie Barton's
00:44:20.560 Sunday panel
00:44:21.280 so I can go head to head
00:44:22.280 with Andrew Coyne.
00:44:23.640 When are they going to
00:44:24.180 give me my invitation?
00:44:25.220 When are they going to
00:44:25.520 let me loose?
00:44:26.440 Sean's now fighting me.
00:44:27.380 He says that was a clear cue.
00:44:28.900 Well okay yes
00:44:29.700 in fairness I had forgotten
00:44:30.860 to do it
00:44:31.260 but I had remembered
00:44:32.020 and then the outro
00:44:33.160 was going
00:44:33.760 and oh well.
00:44:35.200 But I didn't know
00:44:35.560 that it is going
00:44:36.180 on.
00:44:39.640 I was gonna take
00:44:40.460 one or two
00:44:42.260 to do it
00:44:43.780 because I think
00:44:45.620 I was gonna throw
00:44:46.380 a brain
00:44:49.380 and I know
00:44:50.180 I thought
00:44:51.500 I don't know
00:44:51.700 that it
00:44:52.560 Which is
00:44:53.740 the hear
00:44:54.180 or
00:44:54.740 what
00:44:55.160 You
00:44:55.940 So
00:44:55.980 I can
00:45:00.500 See
00:45:02.580 And I
00:45:02.940 I can
00:45:04.000 see