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00:00:00.000 Are you guys wearing your menstrual hygiene bracelets?

00:00:04.240 Mine didn't come in the mail yet.

00:00:05.840 Andrew, you got dressed up for the CBC,

00:00:08.060 but didn't want to get dressed up for us here at Off the Record?

00:00:10.480 No, I didn't pack enough because I'm on the road

00:00:12.740 and I was originally just planning on being home today.

00:00:16.220 So I didn't pack enough nice clothes to get me through this taping.

00:00:19.920 So you're lucky I'm wearing even a shirt with a collar.

00:00:23.340 Yeah, we'll take that.

00:00:24.500 We're trying to run a serious operation here though, you know.

00:00:27.240 Oh, it's funny.

00:00:27.560 I don't usually wear ties at home because it's weird

00:00:30.540 when you're doing a remote interview.

00:00:32.420 I'm like, because it's just like who wears a suit at home

00:00:34.580 in their basement, but it's also television.

00:00:36.500 So I don't know, very, very difficult conundrum.

00:00:39.260 I don't think I've ever seen you in a tie, William.

00:00:42.340 I mean, when I worked in government, I wore a tie every day

00:00:45.300 and there was something just awful about getting up at 5 a.m.

00:00:49.340 and, you know, getting into a suit and tie

00:00:51.600 and having to wear it for 18 hours consecutively.

00:00:54.360 And, you know, now that I don't have to, I choose not to most of the time.

00:00:59.040 I think in general, there's just something awful about having to get up at 5 a.m.

00:01:02.060 Yeah, that was not a great part.

00:01:03.840 You can now follow the liberal lead with bow ties and sneakers in the house.

00:01:07.480 If they're wearing bow ties and sneakers,

00:01:09.300 the staff can probably get away with a t-shirt and shorts.

00:01:12.740 I think we're leading with that one anyway.

00:01:14.440 So, all right, let's get this started.

00:01:15.500 Hello and welcome to you all.

00:01:26.300 This is another edition of Off the Record on True North.

00:01:29.800 It is Friday, May 31st, the end of the month of May,

00:01:33.860 which is a fact that is of zero relevance,

00:01:36.180 except that I just noticed it by looking at the calendar a moment before we began.

00:01:39.700 I am Andrew Lawton, joined by Harrison Faulkner and William Macbeth.

00:01:43.500 We are going to kick out the week that was in news and have a little fun in the process.

00:01:50.080 But, again, happy Friday to you both, Harrison and William.

00:01:52.940 What did you get up to this week?

00:01:55.300 Well, not much.

00:01:56.140 It's been a bit quiet.

00:01:56.940 It's been a quieter week for me.

00:01:58.400 I wasn't showing up at student protests in Charlottetown and, you know,

00:02:03.480 poking around asking questions.

00:02:04.960 It was remarkably quiet, I have to say.

00:02:08.920 And by comparison, my weeks are never as interesting as yours and Harrison's.

00:02:12.860 So I really don't have a lot to add at this point.

00:02:15.500 I would like it noted that I had book launch events in both Calgary and Toronto this week,

00:02:19.640 and neither of you came to either of them, but that's okay.

00:02:22.600 I have bought your book, Andrew.

00:02:23.900 I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver it into my hot little hands so I can read it.

00:02:27.940 Okay, that's fine.

00:02:28.660 You're forgiven then.

00:02:30.300 All right.

00:02:30.920 Well, this is, speaking of interesting, this is a Liberal politician, so that probably wasn't a good segue.

00:02:37.500 But it is interesting that the Liberals have a rather strange belief about a beloved family pastime,

00:02:45.440 which is the Great Canadian Road Trip.

00:02:47.800 So just to set the stage here, the Conservatives are trying to get the Liberals to offer a bit of a reprieve on the carbon tax.

00:02:54.420 They've been trying this for several months.

00:02:56.040 It's not working.

00:02:56.880 The Liberals have just decided to go all in on this.

00:02:59.060 They've not just backed the carbon tax, but they've continued to back increases to it.

00:03:04.000 The Conservatives decided they'll have one just like Hail Mary.

00:03:07.560 Will the Liberals give Canadians a summer break on the tax on fuel?

00:03:12.380 This is what Rachel Thomas, who's a Conservative member of Parliament, 1.00

00:03:16.140 tried to get a bit of a commitment from the government on in question period this week.

00:03:20.620 After nine years, this NDP Liberal government is not worth the hunger and homelessness

00:03:24.340 that it's causing so many Canadians across this country.

00:03:27.320 Many Canadians just simply look forward to a small summer vacation, a road trip perhaps.

00:03:31.700 It's normally a time where they can go and camp in the mountains or go to a national park or visit loved ones.

00:03:36.420 But this year, many Canadians can't afford this simple delight

00:03:39.780 because this government has made life too expensive.

00:03:43.540 On Monday, this House will have the opportunity to vote on a common-sense motion

00:03:47.200 to save Canadians 35 cents per litre on gas.

00:03:51.120 Will the Prime Minister vote with us, the common-sense Conservatives,

00:03:54.260 so that Canadians can afford a simple vacation, or will he force them to stay home?

00:04:01.420 The Honourable Minister of Health.

00:04:03.140 Mr. Speaker, good news, kids.

00:04:04.720 You can take a summer fun time vacation where you're locked in a car for 10 consecutive days

00:04:11.040 non-stop with no bathroom breaks, and the Conservatives have a plan for you to have that summertime fun,

00:04:16.380 and the cost?

00:04:17.520 Give up the future of the planet, right?

00:04:20.280 Don't worry, kids, about climate change.

00:04:23.200 Don't worry about taking action on the planet.

00:04:26.140 Enjoy your 10 hours in the car and let the planet burn.

00:04:29.760 So, that was Mark Holland, the Health Minister, who, there's a lot to unpack there.

00:04:39.880 Number one, I don't believe that every man is the image I take of the guy wearing a bowtie

00:04:46.540 talking about the ordinary Canadian family vacation.

00:04:50.120 Number two, I don't know if he's doing it right,

00:04:53.440 if he keeps his kids locked in the car for 10 days without letting them use the bathroom.

00:04:58.180 I feel that's actually a violation of the Geneva Convention.

00:05:01.880 And also, the idea that the planet is burning without the liberal carbon tax,

00:05:06.280 I find a little bit frustrating.

00:05:07.980 I don't know.

00:05:08.760 Harrison, what's your take on this one?

00:05:10.900 Well, my first take on it was that Mark Holland must have had some really bad road trips

00:05:16.420 when he was growing up.

00:05:17.520 It's like some nightmare was just, you know, like brought into his head.

00:05:20.280 He heard road trip, and he had that awful reminder of what his childhood road trips were like.

00:05:25.060 His parents must have been, you know, they must have been the ones keeping him in the car for 10 days straight,

00:05:29.380 no bathroom breaks, just the horror.

00:05:32.420 I don't understand what he's trying to say here, right?

00:05:35.040 Like, is he saying that, you know, kids are going to sit in the car

00:05:39.340 and the conservatives aren't going to do anything for the planet

00:05:41.160 or that the actual road trip is burning the planet?

00:05:44.480 The best part about this was the reaction from the liberals around him.

00:05:48.540 The second that he just starts piping up about the road trip,

00:05:51.480 you can see Seamus O'Regan, like, look up and just not react at all.

00:05:54.940 There's no clapping.

00:05:55.920 He's just, like, shocked at what's going on here.

00:05:58.280 Yeah.

00:05:58.840 This is not the attack that we planned before, Mark.

00:06:01.460 Come on.

00:06:01.940 Figure it out.

00:06:02.780 It's so absurd.

00:06:03.920 So his province is where, like, families take their road trips too.

00:06:07.680 Right.

00:06:10.040 William, did you get the point out of this?

00:06:12.300 I feel like he was trying to do too much with that 30 seconds.

00:06:15.400 Yeah, I mean, tell me you're completely out of touch

00:06:19.200 with the economic reality of most Canadians without directly saying so.

00:06:23.180 A lot of Canadians choose road trips

00:06:25.340 because they're an affordable way to go on vacation.

00:06:28.680 And if you think about it, if you've got a mom and a dad and three kids,

00:06:32.620 you might, just to get from one half of the country to the other,

00:06:35.940 be paying $3,000 or $4,000 in airfare.

00:06:39.280 And that's not something that a lot of people can just drop easily.

00:06:43.340 I suppose for many of the liberals who are used to vacationing

00:06:46.720 on the shores of the Mediterranean and the Greek islands

00:06:49.400 or on the Amalfi Coast in Italy,

00:06:52.120 then a road trip might seem distasteful or something to be ridiculed.

00:06:57.080 But for a lot of Canadian families,

00:06:58.960 the summer road trip is what they look forward to during the year.

00:07:01.620 They work hard.

00:07:02.360 They pay their liberal taxes, you know, many, many taxes.

00:07:05.620 And with the little money they have left,

00:07:07.260 they go on a road trip vacation.

00:07:08.560 They go camping.

00:07:09.500 They go to the Okanagan in BC.

00:07:11.160 They go look at some of the beautiful places that are in Canada.

00:07:14.360 And of course, you've just seen that the government thinks you are contemptuous

00:07:18.580 or contemptible if you indulge in this particular Canadian pastime.

00:07:24.460 Yeah.

00:07:24.700 And the weird thing too, so he's doing two things.

00:07:26.840 He's saying that this is this like horrific assault on the climate,

00:07:29.660 which is bizarre in a way because it's far less carbon intensive

00:07:33.560 to load four people in one car than it is to fly an airplane.

00:07:38.440 So that's one thing there.

00:07:40.260 And also he's just taking aim at the pastime itself, taking aim at the vacation.

00:07:44.460 It's one thing to say this is like a thing I would never do with your kids.

00:07:46.920 Great.

00:07:47.240 I don't think your kids want to be in a car with you, Mark Holland,

00:07:49.680 if that's how you behave.

00:07:52.560 No.

00:07:52.920 I think the Liberals just gave the Conservatives an ad for the entire summer, right?

00:07:58.580 They're going to just roll.

00:07:59.360 They should just roll this as much as they can all throughout the summer.

00:08:03.700 They've just given them such great ammunition here.

00:08:06.280 Such an obvious example of liberal elitism and looking down on average Canadians.

00:08:12.180 It's pathetic.

00:08:13.180 It's unbelievable.

00:08:13.680 And it kind of goes to this whole thing we've been seeing,

00:08:16.860 this trend we're seeing from the Liberals,

00:08:18.840 which is they just seem to be out of all arguments.

00:08:21.420 They have nothing really to say anymore.

00:08:24.580 And they're flailing.

00:08:25.840 They're grasping at straws.

00:08:26.960 And they're kind of, you know, they're reacting on the fly.

00:08:29.640 This is like improv for them right now.

00:08:32.200 And Mark is suffering from a lack of skills in that department.

00:08:37.300 This is what they can do thinking on the fly.

00:08:39.860 It's quite a big indictment of what these guys are able to do

00:08:43.680 when they actually have something important to do,

00:08:45.260 like governing this country.

00:08:46.600 I was also thinking just a moment ago

00:08:49.360 of when the Liberals launched their campaign bus for 2025, the election.

00:08:56.180 It's like, this is just going to be some big, giant Liberal road trip.

00:08:58.860 So, oh, all of a sudden now road trips are good if they're a cross-country tour.

00:09:02.580 Although maybe Trudeau won't be inviting Mark Holland on the tour bus

00:09:05.380 if, you know, it means 10 days with no bathroom breaks.

00:09:07.920 Well, I seem to recall in the last election,

00:09:11.380 didn't the Liberal campaign have two planes, one for-

00:09:14.980 I think it was 2019.

00:09:16.180 I think that was 2019 campaign.

00:09:17.700 One for Liberal MPs or Liberal staffers and one for their luggage.

00:09:22.460 So, you know, if we're really going to talk about

00:09:25.280 who's got the worst impact on the carbon,

00:09:27.460 a Canadian family of four taking a camping or road trip vacation

00:09:31.320 or the Liberal Prime Minister who needs a whole separate plane for his luggage,

00:09:35.000 I think that they have to bear the responsibility for harming the climate themselves.

00:09:40.460 Yeah.

00:09:41.060 Well, it's funny you mentioned that because we haven't actually talked about

00:09:43.420 the underlying claim of Mark Holland's thing,

00:09:45.340 which is that the Liberal carbon tax is preventing the planet from burning.

00:09:50.300 Emissions have gone up for the entirety of the time

00:09:53.400 that the Liberal carbon tax has been in effect.

00:09:56.500 And by the way, the wildfires have not been caused by the absence of a carbon tax.

00:10:00.200 They've been overwhelmingly caused by arson.

00:10:03.420 Well, Andrew, you know, when you say that,

00:10:05.160 we're going to get-

00:10:05.980 we're going to get-

00:10:06.940 who is it?

00:10:07.520 The press progress anti-hate.

00:10:09.180 They'll start timing in.

00:10:10.160 We'll get-

00:10:10.360 we'll get two new viewers on off the record

00:10:11.980 because the second we start talking about wildfires,

00:10:14.020 that's when they start showing up.

00:10:15.600 Let's-

00:10:15.800 Yeah.

00:10:16.100 Don't be careful there.

00:10:16.980 We don't want to go and do any conspiracy theory territory with that.

00:10:20.000 We'll-

00:10:20.440 we'll also get on you.

00:10:21.480 I suspect under-

00:10:22.440 look-

00:10:22.700 if you're watching on YouTube,

00:10:23.680 look under the video.

00:10:24.380 I suspect right now there's a United Nations climate change PSA.

00:10:29.020 Every time.

00:10:29.640 Every time you mention the carbon tax,

00:10:31.460 you get like the link to like the UN-

00:10:33.400 it was either the WHO or the UN.

00:10:35.660 One of them on any episode is there and just-

00:10:38.640 The keyword-

00:10:39.800 the keyword is just climate change.

00:10:41.200 If you say it, you know, once or maybe twice,

00:10:42.920 nice and clear, climate change.

00:10:44.420 Yeah.

00:10:44.900 Now it should show up, no problem.

00:10:47.380 William is still mad that I got us like banned from YouTube

00:10:49.960 for interviewing the MyPillow guy,

00:10:51.580 who's-

00:10:51.960 I don't even want to say his name now.

00:10:53.200 I think that gets you an automatic strike on YouTube.

00:10:56.540 The pillow man-

00:10:57.420 We're still carrying that warning, by the way.

00:10:58.980 Yeah.

00:10:59.380 What was that, Harrison?

00:11:00.620 We're still carrying that warning on our channel.

00:11:02.680 Oh, is it still there?

00:11:03.560 Okay.

00:11:03.960 It's still there.

00:11:04.840 And it's like-

00:11:05.140 All right.

00:11:05.360 You hit the button and it says,

00:11:06.700 your video in June 20th of 2021.

00:11:10.220 We're still going to hold it against you.

00:11:11.700 We're still punishing you for it.

00:11:13.300 Ugh.

00:11:13.700 Should have never wanted to do an episode about pillows.

00:11:15.940 All right.

00:11:16.860 So I think we can move on from Mark Holland

00:11:19.560 and his road trip here.

00:11:21.840 This is a bit more of a serious story,

00:11:24.000 but I think there's an underlying point

00:11:25.900 that we need to hammer here on the media

00:11:27.580 that has been particularly relevant this week.

00:11:30.980 William, take it away.

00:11:33.280 Yeah.

00:11:33.840 I mean, I assume, Andrew,

00:11:35.000 you're referring to the recent stories

00:11:37.640 we had around the three-year anniversary

00:11:39.000 of the residential schools announcement from Kamloops.

00:11:44.120 And yeah, it is an interesting story.

00:11:46.980 It's interesting how much the world has changed

00:11:48.640 in the intervening years.

00:11:50.180 So when this first came out,

00:11:51.940 when there was an announcement

00:11:52.860 by the Kamloops indigenous tribes there

00:11:56.220 that they had found 250 unmarked graves

00:11:59.680 and they believed it would be

00:12:02.240 for the bodies of missing children,

00:12:04.800 the entire Canadian press,

00:12:06.340 in fact, the entire world press,

00:12:08.480 collectively lost their minds.

00:12:10.340 And they talked about how this was a mass grave,

00:12:13.820 to use the terminology of the New York Times.

00:12:15.660 They talked about genocide.

00:12:17.320 Well, True North was really the only media company

00:12:20.300 out there who actually said,

00:12:21.840 wait a minute,

00:12:22.820 what do these ground-penetrating radar surveys

00:12:26.080 actually show?

00:12:27.440 Are these, in fact, graves?

00:12:29.320 And to the point where we were very proud

00:12:31.380 to have published a book about this issue

00:12:34.640 that tried to take some of the emotion

00:12:36.520 out of the argument.

00:12:38.420 Very slowly, legacy media changed how they covered it.

00:12:42.020 Well, except for, as it turns out,

00:12:43.960 the good people of City News Vancouver,

00:12:46.120 who once again repeated the claim

00:12:48.100 that there were 215 unmarked graves

00:12:50.700 located at the site

00:12:52.160 of the former Indian residential school in Kamloops.

00:12:55.920 Thankfully, there was a lot of pushback.

00:12:58.460 On X, you saw readers say,

00:13:00.160 wait a minute, that's not true.

00:13:01.500 There's been zero evidence that there are any graves.

00:13:04.280 There have been no excavations.

00:13:05.820 No bodies have been found, let alone of children.

00:13:07.960 Why are you propagating this myth?

00:13:11.420 And City News did a quiet little edit job.

00:13:14.300 They removed the claim of graves.

00:13:17.240 They said, purported, I believe is the word

00:13:19.880 they put in, purported graves.

00:13:21.640 And they took the author's by name off the article

00:13:25.780 and they just said it was written by news staff.

00:13:28.140 So that's always a sign that maybe you're not

00:13:30.300 the most certain about your story

00:13:32.140 when you take the individual reporter's name off

00:13:34.440 and say it was some unknown anonymous news staff

00:13:38.360 who wrote it.

00:13:39.500 Yeah, and one of the things that I'd point out too

00:13:41.600 is that the Kamloops band actually itself

00:13:44.120 has walked back the claim.

00:13:46.380 They used to say that there was the discovery

00:13:48.120 of bodies of children,

00:13:49.780 and now they say they were anomalies.

00:13:52.800 And again, that's a very key distinction.

00:13:54.540 The New York Times was, I think,

00:13:55.480 probably the most irresponsible in its coverage

00:13:58.540 because a mass grave means something very specific.

00:14:01.220 A mass grave refers to a mass casualty event

00:14:04.900 in which the 215 purportedly children were killed.

00:14:09.220 And I think in general, I had not, to be perfectly frank,

00:14:12.280 before three years ago, heard of ground penetrating radar.

00:14:14.960 I knew it existed, but I didn't know what it was.

00:14:16.940 And it was presented, and again,

00:14:18.960 I think a lot of this was the media,

00:14:20.480 not the Kamloops band,

00:14:22.560 presented as being far more specific

00:14:24.900 and powerful than it actually was.

00:14:28.400 And people were told, oh, wow, ground penetrating radar.

00:14:31.400 And I think everyone was imagining

00:14:32.480 it was like the airport body scanners

00:14:34.040 where you just look at it

00:14:35.500 and you just see in perfect detail

00:14:37.320 everything that's there.

00:14:38.400 And then you realize as you learn about this

00:14:40.660 that it doesn't distinguish between rocks and bones

00:14:43.720 and other disturbances or anomalies here.

00:14:47.020 And the media has, I think, changed its coverage on this.

00:14:50.500 But Harrison, have you seen anything

00:14:52.540 in the way of corrections, retractions,

00:14:56.140 the media saying, hey, maybe we got this wrong?

00:14:59.020 Well, I don't think they'll ever actually say that.

00:15:01.180 If they do get caught,

00:15:02.080 they'll do what City News Vancouver did,

00:15:03.560 which was make that quiet edit.

00:15:05.160 First, it was an editor's note.

00:15:06.480 Then they took the poor writer's name off the article

00:15:09.160 so she wouldn't suffer any abuse on social media.

00:15:12.160 And then they just took the entire tweet down.

00:15:14.460 You brought up the New York Times.

00:15:15.960 And the New York Times has the article up.

00:15:18.760 The headline still reads

00:15:20.460 Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada.

00:15:23.400 It doesn't really, they haven't changed that.

00:15:25.540 Nope, and they have an editor's note,

00:15:27.280 but they don't actually have an editor's note

00:15:29.060 that corrects the headline.

00:15:31.360 They have an editor's note, which they made,

00:15:33.500 but it doesn't actually change the headline of the article.

00:15:35.960 So that just goes to show you

00:15:37.220 the media are completely in line with this.

00:15:40.580 They played a major role in propagating this myth,

00:15:43.920 this anti-Canadian myth

00:15:44.980 that caused so much damage to our country.

00:15:46.740 And a real dark period in our country,

00:15:50.900 which didn't have to be the case.

00:15:52.760 Let's look at the way X played a role in this though

00:15:56.080 with City News Vancouver.

00:15:57.560 They were the ones that put up the community note,

00:16:00.280 the fact check,

00:16:01.240 which resulted in the article being taken down

00:16:03.680 from Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it.

00:16:07.080 Imagine if we had a legitimate community notes service

00:16:10.080 back in 2021 when these claims first came out,

00:16:13.100 we could have saved ourselves the six months

00:16:15.300 of national flagellation.

00:16:17.300 It would have been remarkably different

00:16:20.120 had that actually happened.

00:16:21.460 I have to bring this up though,

00:16:22.700 because that same news outlet, City News Vancouver,

00:16:25.200 they invited BC Regional Assembly of First Nations Chief

00:16:29.380 Terry Teague on to discuss this three-year anniversary.

00:16:32.200 They never pushed back on the claims.

00:16:34.880 They still went along with the discovery of mass graves,

00:16:38.400 reported mass graves,

00:16:39.620 children buried in these findings.

00:16:44.040 And then when asked another question for a follow-up,

00:16:47.680 the chief justified why there had not been any bones found

00:16:51.980 with any of these claims

00:16:54.300 by saying some of these schools had incinerators.

00:16:56.200 So he's making the accusation that these schools

00:16:59.520 just burned the evidence,

00:17:00.940 burned the bodies so that we can never find them.

00:17:03.360 It is remarkable that there are some people

00:17:06.100 who are still trying to push this myth,

00:17:08.420 still trying to push this myth,

00:17:09.520 which I find that's quite harmful

00:17:11.740 to First Nations Canadians,

00:17:13.260 because the longer this goes on

00:17:14.900 and the longer that a lot of these communities

00:17:16.960 are still pushing this message,

00:17:18.620 well, Canadians aren't going to believe

00:17:19.640 the actual problems that still face

00:17:21.760 First Nations communities today.

00:17:23.600 It does them a big disservice

00:17:24.980 when you have chiefs like this

00:17:26.660 talking complete nonsense

00:17:28.340 without backing it up at all.

00:17:30.380 Yeah, look, I've studied history.

00:17:32.580 I love Canadian history.

00:17:33.800 And history has always been about

00:17:35.100 studying the good, the bad, and the ugly.

00:17:36.680 And I do not take the view

00:17:38.600 that the residential schools had a net positive,

00:17:40.760 but I do take the view

00:17:41.720 that they were things that,

00:17:46.000 again, it's so difficult to even talk about.

00:17:47.900 I take the view that the motivations

00:17:49.920 and the outcomes were different.

00:17:51.780 And that tends to be the issue here

00:17:53.200 when people try to look back in history

00:17:54.680 and project with modern sensibilities

00:17:56.920 what had happened there.

00:17:57.840 But there has still not been any evidence

00:17:59.740 of these many, many claims.

00:18:01.380 And it wasn't just Kamloops,

00:18:02.420 because Kamloops started a wave of these claims.

00:18:04.640 And there has never been any support

00:18:07.300 for these so-called discoveries.

00:18:10.120 And that's, I find, what is most concerning here.

00:18:13.140 And that there hasn't even really been

00:18:14.540 a desire to inquire about it,

00:18:16.920 a desire to excavate

00:18:18.540 and do all the other things that you would do

00:18:20.360 if there were some mass criminality

00:18:23.520 that had occurred.

00:18:25.420 Yeah, I mean, here we are three years later

00:18:27.780 with none of these questions answered.

00:18:30.260 There have been no publicly released excavations.

00:18:33.460 There has been no evidence presented

00:18:35.120 by the indigenous groups

00:18:37.300 who have engaged in exploratory work.

00:18:40.200 And the claims for why that is have varied.

00:18:43.320 Look, overall, none of us believe,

00:18:45.360 I think, that residential schools

00:18:46.860 had a positive outcome.

00:18:48.400 There were a lot of really terrible things

00:18:52.020 that occurred at them,

00:18:53.020 and people did suffer.

00:18:54.740 But why diminish that suffering and that pain

00:18:58.600 by inventing falsehoods around things

00:19:02.380 that never did happen?

00:19:03.760 And, you know, In Grave Error,

00:19:05.000 a book, again, that True North published,

00:19:07.440 we go into some detail talking about

00:19:09.840 what those soil disturbances could have been,

00:19:12.380 everything from the fact

00:19:13.300 that there was an apple orchard there,

00:19:15.080 there was irrigation done,

00:19:16.400 there were pits and trenches dug

00:19:19.700 to do renovation work.

00:19:22.120 And, you know, instead of focusing

00:19:23.780 on atrocities that are unprovable

00:19:28.560 and likely did not occur,

00:19:30.260 why don't we focus on healing

00:19:31.660 and coming back from the incidents

00:19:34.700 that we are aware of,

00:19:35.840 the pain that we know that happened?

00:19:37.180 And so the fact that the media glommed onto it

00:19:39.520 the way they did in an almost,

00:19:41.740 you know, they almost seem to be,

00:19:44.440 maybe not happy,

00:19:45.700 but the fact that they glommed on so hard

00:19:47.800 and put so much emphasis on this story,

00:19:50.180 I think is a real disservice,

00:19:51.640 both to Canada as a whole

00:19:52.760 and to our First Nations.

00:19:53.840 And before we move on to the next story,

00:19:55.800 it's important to make sure

00:19:57.240 that this story,

00:19:59.060 these claims were directly linked

00:20:00.700 to a hundred churches being burned down.

00:20:04.020 And look at the way the media treated

00:20:06.080 the claims made by these First Nations bans

00:20:08.980 versus the claims that were being made,

00:20:10.980 versus the evidence

00:20:12.000 and the picture evidence

00:20:13.720 of churches being burned

00:20:15.220 without really trying to investigate

00:20:17.020 who the people were

00:20:18.160 that are behind these burnings.

00:20:19.700 It is completely ridiculous

00:20:21.560 that this story,

00:20:23.060 which resulted in so much damage

00:20:24.780 to Christians in this country,

00:20:26.480 has been treated basically

00:20:28.300 as though it doesn't matter.

00:20:30.180 And you can make these claims,

00:20:31.640 we don't need to really investigate them,

00:20:33.160 we don't need to admit

00:20:33.880 that we made a huge mistake,

00:20:35.900 we can quietly correct our errors

00:20:37.280 or not correct them at all,

00:20:38.260 like in the case of New York Times,

00:20:40.040 while that exact same kind of reporting,

00:20:42.860 that lazy reporting,

00:20:44.000 the politicians who ran with it,

00:20:45.360 directly played a role

00:20:46.440 in burning down a hundred churches.

00:20:48.520 It is remarkable.

00:20:49.400 And I forget,

00:20:50.080 did Justin Trudeau ever comment

00:20:51.500 on the church burning?

00:20:53.460 I think he did once,

00:20:54.820 once or twice.

00:20:55.900 But certainly not with the speed

00:20:57.420 that, you know,

00:20:58.480 vandalism of a mosque comes from

00:21:00.520 or anything to do

00:21:01.240 with the residential school announcements.

00:21:04.000 No, and I don't think he took a knee

00:21:05.360 with a teddy bear

00:21:06.120 outside of a burned church as well,

00:21:08.160 like he did in the case

00:21:09.180 of the Kamloops situation.

00:21:11.140 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 No, it's crazy.

00:21:13.080 And well, then you had,

00:21:14.300 you know,

00:21:14.700 the burn it all down woman 1.00

00:21:16.200 in British Columbia.

00:21:18.640 Sean has asked,

00:21:19.560 didn't he say he understood?

00:21:20.760 I think that was Jerry Butts. 0.84

00:21:23.080 Wasn't it Jerry Butts

00:21:24.120 that said he understood

00:21:25.020 why people would do it?

00:21:26.260 I might be wrong about that.

00:21:27.340 But yeah,

00:21:28.020 there was a lot,

00:21:28.800 there was a lot of equivocation about it.

00:21:30.660 And that was,

00:21:31.200 I think,

00:21:31.340 the key point.

00:21:32.100 It was that,

00:21:33.340 oh no,

00:21:33.860 apparently Trudeau did say that.

00:21:35.220 Yeah.

00:21:35.560 So all of a sudden,

00:21:36.360 it's about trying to be sympathetic

00:21:38.260 to the church burners.

00:21:40.100 That's the way we do this.

00:21:41.440 Absolutely insane.

00:21:43.080 What else do we have going on here?

00:21:44.600 Oh yes.

00:21:45.040 Well,

00:21:45.380 we couldn't,

00:21:46.280 I mean,

00:21:46.600 yes,

00:21:46.920 the announcement in Kamloops,

00:21:48.920 that was an anniversary this week,

00:21:50.240 but we have to honor every day

00:21:52.900 on the calendar.

00:21:55.000 And I must admit,

00:21:55.760 I missed this one,

00:21:57.380 but it was menstrual hygiene day this week.

00:22:00.960 Now you may think,

00:22:02.360 well,

00:22:02.620 don't worry,

00:22:03.200 Andrew,

00:22:03.340 you probably didn't pay attention

00:22:04.240 because you're a man,

00:22:04.980 but that doesn't mean anything

00:22:05.740 in this day and age.

00:22:06.800 Everyone knows men can menstruate, 0.95

00:22:08.380 women can menstruate, 1.00

00:22:09.380 they might as well start calling it

00:22:10.540 manstruation.

00:22:11.280 But we had a lot of lecturing

00:22:14.220 from a liberal MPs

00:22:16.020 about menstrual hygiene day.

00:22:18.580 Seamus O'Regan,

00:22:19.700 the minister who was unimpressed

00:22:21.420 by Mark Holland,

00:22:22.540 he has his menstrual hygiene bracelet

00:22:25.420 on there,

00:22:25.980 which I didn't know exists.

00:22:26.980 He'd said,

00:22:28.200 people don't bring their own

00:22:29.220 toilet paper to work,

00:22:30.380 so they shouldn't have to bring

00:22:31.240 their own pads and tampons.

00:22:32.700 We changed that.

00:22:33.760 We put free menstrual products

00:22:35.000 in federally regulated workplace.

00:22:36.960 This bracelet is for

00:22:38.260 menstrual hygiene day.

00:22:39.640 Then we have Marcy Ian,

00:22:42.280 the Liberal Cabinet Minister as well.

00:22:44.240 Periods are a fact of life.

00:22:45.700 Everyone deserves access

00:22:46.700 to affordable menstrual products.

00:22:48.640 Thanks to the Menstrual Equity Fund,

00:22:50.260 over 3 million people across Canada

00:22:51.960 have been able to access

00:22:52.780 this basic need.

00:22:54.320 Ahmed Hassan,

00:22:55.520 the menstrual hygiene observer,

00:22:57.520 says he's committed to a future

00:22:58.900 where women and girls who menstruate 0.87

00:23:00.920 can realize their full potential.

00:23:03.580 Wow.

00:23:04.240 It's a barrier for your full potential.

00:23:07.420 And then we have Terry Beach,

00:23:09.520 the Liberal Member of Parliament

00:23:10.680 who decided to give us

00:23:11.620 the full PSA treatment on this.

00:23:14.120 Hi, everyone.

00:23:14.620 Terry Beach,

00:23:15.080 you're Member of Parliament

00:23:15.800 for Bernie Bernard Seymour.

00:23:17.080 This bracelet commemorates May 28th,

00:23:20.420 which is Menstrual Hygiene Day.

00:23:23.460 Now, there are millions of women 1.00

00:23:25.660 around the world

00:23:26.500 who are unable to reach

00:23:28.920 their full potential

00:23:29.620 simply because they menstruate.

00:23:32.360 And so this day

00:23:33.740 is about reducing the stigma.

00:23:35.280 As a father of two young girls,

00:23:37.400 I want to make sure

00:23:38.620 that they,

00:23:39.820 along with billions of girls 0.99

00:23:42.460 and women around the world, 0.87

00:23:43.540 have an equal opportunity

00:23:45.200 that everybody else has.

00:23:46.220 It's also a massive affordability issue.

00:23:48.720 And that's why

00:23:49.220 in all federal workplaces,

00:23:50.960 menstrual products

00:23:51.640 are now available for free.

00:23:53.400 In fact,

00:23:53.700 if you come into my constituency office

00:23:55.320 and use the washroom,

00:23:56.500 you will see that menstrual products

00:23:58.500 are available there as well.

00:23:59.700 So let's end the stigma

00:24:00.920 and commemorate the day

00:24:02.840 and build a better world

00:24:03.680 for women here in Canada,

00:24:06.380 but also right around the world.

00:24:08.040 What was it you said

00:24:09.160 about that video, William?

00:24:11.360 Well, I jokingly said

00:24:12.640 he was manspreading

00:24:13.780 and mansplaining menstruation 1.00

00:24:15.920 to women,

00:24:17.240 because who better

00:24:17.840 than a bunch of men MPs

00:24:20.460 to talk about an issue

00:24:22.460 that, frankly,

00:24:24.560 doesn't directly affect them.

00:24:26.020 It's not something that,

00:24:27.460 well, and to be politically correct,

00:24:29.300 it doesn't affect

00:24:30.060 the overwhelming majority

00:24:31.600 of men.

00:24:34.080 You know,

00:24:34.740 I would say

00:24:35.540 possibly people should

00:24:37.020 take Mr. Beach up on his offer.

00:24:38.660 I'd like to see

00:24:39.240 every woman

00:24:40.060 in a 100-kilometer radius

00:24:42.240 who needs any form

00:24:44.020 of menstruation product

00:24:45.600 go to Mr. Beach's office,

00:24:47.940 demand that they be given

00:24:49.740 their free products,

00:24:51.600 and if he runs out,

00:24:53.120 I say that's just a shine

00:24:54.560 of how much he doesn't support women

00:24:56.540 who face this.

00:24:57.980 So I would encourage

00:24:59.200 the tens of thousands of women 0.98

00:25:01.080 who live around that area

00:25:02.260 to make sure

00:25:03.040 they only get

00:25:05.020 their products

00:25:05.780 to Mr. Beach's office

00:25:06.820 going forward.

00:25:08.460 It's the epitome

00:25:09.460 of the straw man,

00:25:10.620 which is like

00:25:11.100 you set up a thing,

00:25:12.640 you set up a bogeyman

00:25:13.940 to attack,

00:25:15.240 but no one has actually

00:25:16.260 made the point,

00:25:16.960 is that all of these

00:25:18.060 liberal MPs,

00:25:18.740 it was insanely coordinated,

00:25:20.180 were tweeting about

00:25:20.940 this stigma

00:25:21.600 that doesn't exist,

00:25:23.160 and they're saying

00:25:23.800 we need to break down

00:25:24.600 the stigma.

00:25:25.300 What stigma?

00:25:26.020 This is a bodily function.

00:25:29.100 There's no one

00:25:30.100 that's embarrassed

00:25:31.180 by this discussion.

00:25:33.840 Women can get tampons 1.00

00:25:35.420 now in men's washrooms

00:25:36.880 on Parliament Hill.

00:25:37.880 You can get them

00:25:38.400 anywhere you want.

00:25:39.500 So it was like weird,

00:25:40.460 and then it was women 1.00

00:25:41.080 that were complaining

00:25:42.080 on X and on Facebook

00:25:43.580 about this.

00:25:44.540 Why do I need these men

00:25:46.020 to tell me it's okay

00:25:47.040 for me to talk

00:25:47.800 about periods?

00:25:49.560 Yeah,

00:25:50.000 they're making it,

00:25:51.120 they're making the stigma

00:25:52.120 by making these videos.

00:25:53.580 This is the same government

00:25:54.960 that puts tampons

00:25:56.000 in male washrooms 0.81

00:25:57.080 in the military,

00:25:58.820 right,

00:25:59.060 on every single military base

00:26:00.740 in this country.

00:26:01.500 I looked at the Terry Beach video,

00:26:03.500 and my first reaction to it

00:26:05.320 was that this was

00:26:05.880 some sort of

00:26:06.360 humiliation ritual, right?

00:26:07.740 I didn't see any other

00:26:09.160 male MP,

00:26:10.520 male liberal MPs

00:26:11.560 making a video

00:26:12.300 except for Terry Beach.

00:26:13.880 Terry is,

00:26:14.960 for all intents and purposes,

00:26:16.320 a no-name,

00:26:17.040 backbench liberal MP.

00:26:18.200 He doesn't really qualify

00:26:20.300 to be some sort

00:26:23.020 of cabinet minister.

00:26:23.880 He doesn't really

00:26:24.340 tick off any

00:26:25.000 of the diversity points.

00:26:26.480 So they basically said,

00:26:27.580 we're going to have you

00:26:28.360 make this video,

00:26:29.360 and it's going to be

00:26:30.160 the most embarrassing thing

00:26:31.320 you've ever produced,

00:26:32.200 and you'll have to live with it

00:26:33.480 for the rest of your life.

00:26:34.600 It'll be out there for you.

00:26:35.920 Now,

00:26:36.680 that was my read on it.

00:26:37.940 They picked the one guy

00:26:39.140 who, you know,

00:26:40.140 had to do the humiliation ritual. 0.62

00:26:41.940 If you're going to wear

00:26:42.580 the period bracelet,

00:26:44.300 if Terry Beach is going to wear

00:26:45.540 this period bracelet

00:26:46.360 because he needs to end

00:26:47.860 the stigma around the world

00:26:49.320 for women and girls,

00:26:51.540 well,

00:26:51.880 why would you take,

00:26:52.560 he has,

00:26:53.180 he should wear that

00:26:53.720 the entire year.

00:26:55.020 If he really cares about this,

00:26:56.420 cares enough to make

00:26:57.060 a video about it,

00:26:58.100 like Ahmed Hassan as well,

00:26:59.340 they should keep that,

00:27:00.060 they should keep that bracelet

00:27:00.840 on all the time.

00:27:02.520 Otherwise,

00:27:02.920 it's just,

00:27:03.380 you know,

00:27:03.620 they don't care about it.

00:27:04.560 Let's make it like

00:27:05.600 a mark of shame.

00:27:08.220 You know,

00:27:08.380 if you're going to be

00:27:08.960 that weird,

00:27:09.940 you have to wear

00:27:10.500 this bracelet everywhere

00:27:11.400 so people can know

00:27:12.140 that you're just that creepy

00:27:13.700 to talk about menstruation

00:27:15.840 like that.

00:27:16.160 Can you put up

00:27:16.920 the Seamus O'Regan

00:27:18.100 graphic again,

00:27:19.180 Sean?

00:27:19.520 I should explain

00:27:20.380 the symbolism.

00:27:21.180 So apparently

00:27:21.740 it's got 28 beads

00:27:23.840 and five red ones.

00:27:26.120 The five red ones

00:27:27.360 are supposed to

00:27:28.600 honor the five days

00:27:31.420 in a 28-day period

00:27:32.560 that women are menstruating. 0.94

00:27:34.580 And I had one woman

00:27:35.400 tell me,

00:27:35.960 well,

00:27:36.040 this is actually offensive

00:27:36.820 to women who,

00:27:37.560 you know,

00:27:37.740 menstruate for six or seven days,

00:27:39.100 which is getting

00:27:40.340 into a level of specificity

00:27:41.600 I will confess

00:27:42.400 to not be an expert in.

00:27:43.880 But the thing

00:27:44.700 that I find interesting

00:27:45.680 about this

00:27:46.060 is that like

00:27:46.800 what other bodily functions

00:27:48.100 do we need a bracelet for?

00:27:49.880 Like,

00:27:50.060 do we get like

00:27:50.560 the brown diarrhea

00:27:51.560 awareness bracelet?

00:27:52.860 Do we do the,

00:27:53.900 you know,

00:27:54.120 a yellow one?

00:27:54.980 Do we do like

00:27:55.460 a dark yellow one

00:27:56.320 when you're not hydrated enough

00:27:57.780 and your urine 0.88

00:27:58.800 is coming a little dark?

00:27:59.800 Like,

00:28:00.240 like what,

00:28:00.660 how many bodily fluids

00:28:01.720 need their own commemorative

00:28:02.920 bracelets is the question.

00:28:04.340 You know,

00:28:04.520 they sold a lot

00:28:05.120 of these bracelets

00:28:05.740 and I'm wondering

00:28:06.300 if maybe a,

00:28:07.280 a wife or a husband 0.69

00:28:08.920 of a liberal

00:28:09.560 member of parliament

00:28:10.640 is manufacturing

00:28:11.520 from these bracelets

00:28:12.120 and they're,

00:28:12.640 they're somehow managing

00:28:13.940 to get,

00:28:14.480 get a workaround

00:28:15.200 and finding,

00:28:16.200 finding a way

00:28:16.800 to make some money

00:28:17.480 off this.

00:28:18.160 Well,

00:28:18.400 Terry Beach said

00:28:19.220 he had his daughter.

00:28:20.560 Yeah,

00:28:20.780 Terry Beach had two daughters.

00:28:21.900 So maybe one of his daughters

00:28:22.880 had just started doing beading

00:28:24.300 and he realized that,

00:28:26.280 you know,

00:28:26.420 screw girl guide cookies. 1.00

00:28:27.500 We can make a lot of money

00:28:28.360 just selling like

00:28:29.100 every member of parliament

00:28:30.260 in a menstrual hygiene bracelet.

00:28:32.800 It is,

00:28:33.800 you know,

00:28:34.440 a case of just

00:28:35.440 such crass politics

00:28:36.580 where the liberal government

00:28:38.300 who is so bereft

00:28:39.880 of policy solutions

00:28:41.480 and anything to talk about

00:28:42.480 that they are,

00:28:43.500 are trying to pick

00:28:44.760 the few issues

00:28:45.660 where they think

00:28:46.340 they still have

00:28:47.500 some sort of

00:28:48.220 political advantage.

00:28:49.100 You think back to,

00:28:50.280 you know,

00:28:51.420 last week

00:28:52.240 where they were once again

00:28:53.360 railing about abortion.

00:28:55.140 You know,

00:28:55.780 you've now got

00:28:56.640 gun control back

00:28:58.020 on the agenda

00:28:58.640 with a plan

00:28:59.220 to have Canada Post

00:29:00.240 be part of,

00:29:01.400 of taking guns

00:29:03.240 off the streets.

00:29:04.140 They can barely get

00:29:05.180 mail in mailboxes.

00:29:06.360 So I don't know

00:29:06.900 how they expect

00:29:07.520 to be able to get

00:29:08.160 guns off streets.

00:29:09.680 And now you've got this.

00:29:11.140 And the fact is

00:29:11.860 people can't afford groceries.

00:29:13.400 They can't afford gas.

00:29:14.720 They can't afford their rents.

00:29:15.940 They can't afford to buy houses.

00:29:17.720 I don't think anybody's

00:29:18.700 going to go into

00:29:19.120 the next election

00:29:19.820 and say,

00:29:20.840 oh,

00:29:21.040 but don't worry.

00:29:21.840 I'm voting for the party

00:29:23.000 that's good on menstruation. 0.95

00:29:25.780 Yeah,

00:29:26.220 that's,

00:29:27.240 well,

00:29:27.660 you know,

00:29:28.000 I'm not allowed

00:29:28.380 to take a road trip.

00:29:29.560 And actually,

00:29:30.540 maybe how Mark Holland

00:29:32.440 is not being

00:29:33.180 menstrually aware

00:29:34.300 if he's keeping kids

00:29:35.660 in his car

00:29:36.160 for 10 days.

00:29:36.960 You know,

00:29:37.520 you never know.

00:29:40.000 Maybe this is all,

00:29:41.200 so here's the segue

00:29:41.960 we'll find.

00:29:42.840 Maybe this is an example

00:29:44.020 of men undergoing

00:29:45.520 the behavioral change

00:29:46.860 that they're seeking

00:29:47.940 in Australia.

00:29:48.780 Why don't you take it away,

00:29:49.640 Harrison?

00:29:50.380 Yes.

00:29:50.960 So there is a new

00:29:51.960 cabinet post

00:29:52.940 in the province

00:29:54.020 of Victoria

00:29:54.740 in Australia,

00:29:56.840 which is now

00:29:58.140 for men's behavior change.

00:29:59.980 It is now

00:30:00.400 an official cabinet post,

00:30:01.920 Australia's first 0.95

00:30:03.120 minister

00:30:04.060 of men's behavior change

00:30:06.560 in an attempt

00:30:07.680 to try to

00:30:08.360 stop

00:30:09.240 domestic violence

00:30:11.020 and a recent rise

00:30:13.260 in the killing

00:30:15.000 of women

00:30:15.580 in Victoria.

00:30:16.700 They somehow think

00:30:17.820 that this is going to

00:30:19.160 really solve this problem.

00:30:21.440 The problem is

00:30:22.280 when they announced

00:30:23.420 this position,

00:30:24.620 the entire world

00:30:25.720 mocked them for it

00:30:26.840 and they probably

00:30:27.980 pushed back

00:30:28.860 the objectives

00:30:29.580 of this ministry

00:30:30.600 by like five or six years

00:30:32.720 just by announcing

00:30:33.380 the ministry itself

00:30:34.280 because everybody

00:30:35.260 thinks it's a complete

00:30:36.120 joke.

00:30:37.340 3.6 thousand replies.

00:30:39.160 This is the ratio here,

00:30:40.540 so we're going back

00:30:41.260 to my bread and butter.

00:30:42.420 Let me just address

00:30:42.980 the ratio here

00:30:43.660 on this guy's tweet.

00:30:44.620 Tim Richardson,

00:30:45.640 he's the new

00:30:46.100 men's behavior change

00:30:47.320 minister.

00:30:48.440 3.6 thousand replies

00:30:49.980 to 724 likes.

00:30:52.560 He's been getting

00:30:53.400 absolutely destroyed

00:30:55.100 in the comments

00:30:55.780 and rightly so.

00:30:57.420 I'm not quite sure

00:30:58.200 what they intend

00:30:58.840 to achieve here

00:30:59.720 by creating this position.

00:31:02.620 It's like,

00:31:03.040 you know,

00:31:03.220 there's a problem

00:31:04.860 and they've created

00:31:05.840 a cabinet post

00:31:07.000 which won't do

00:31:07.560 anything at all

00:31:08.240 but it'll make them

00:31:09.300 appear like they're

00:31:09.940 taking it seriously.

00:31:11.340 It really is remarkable.

00:31:13.220 What do you guys think?

00:31:14.400 Yeah, I mean,

00:31:14.900 I think domestic violence

00:31:16.080 is atrocious

00:31:17.320 and I think it's very serious

00:31:18.540 and I know Australia

00:31:19.240 has had a problem with it

00:31:20.320 and the way you deal

00:31:21.420 with that is certainly

00:31:22.380 by enforcing the law

00:31:23.680 and I think there

00:31:24.180 are ways that you can

00:31:25.460 instill education

00:31:26.500 and all of these things

00:31:27.960 and even if the core

00:31:30.160 of the problem

00:31:31.040 is that you need

00:31:31.880 to get certain men

00:31:32.780 to change their behaviors,

00:31:34.720 the way that this

00:31:35.520 has been criticized

00:31:36.220 is that you're basically

00:31:37.500 saying that all men

00:31:38.260 are the problem

00:31:39.020 and that all men

00:31:39.960 need to do this

00:31:40.620 and it really,

00:31:41.840 when people were looking

00:31:42.600 at the headline,

00:31:43.260 a lot of people

00:31:43.840 didn't even know

00:31:44.600 it was about domestic violence.

00:31:45.840 They thought it was like

00:31:46.500 this woke crusade

00:31:47.460 against toxic masculinity

00:31:48.660 like the Gillette ads

00:31:50.180 a couple of years ago.

00:31:51.000 So when people

00:31:51.880 just inherently tune out,

00:31:53.120 it means that

00:31:53.560 you've missed your mark.

00:31:55.880 Yeah, I mean,

00:31:56.660 I'm a big fan

00:31:57.300 of Margaret Thatcher's

00:31:58.280 approach that,

00:31:59.240 you know,

00:31:59.680 rarely does putting

00:32:00.560 a minister in charge

00:32:01.460 of a problem

00:32:02.020 actually fix it.

00:32:03.460 In fact,

00:32:03.980 it's a pretty certain

00:32:05.160 way of guaranteeing

00:32:06.120 there'll always be

00:32:06.900 a problem,

00:32:07.560 especially if a minister's

00:32:08.680 job depends on

00:32:09.980 the problem keeping existing.

00:32:11.780 But no,

00:32:12.140 you're absolutely right

00:32:12.840 that, you know,

00:32:14.120 the problem of domestic

00:32:15.100 violence is huge

00:32:16.540 and made worse,

00:32:17.320 by the way,

00:32:17.740 when we allow

00:32:18.980 biological males

00:32:20.440 to enter women's spaces, 0.99

00:32:22.540 women's shelters

00:32:23.260 and things like that,

00:32:24.240 which the progressives

00:32:25.140 have said is

00:32:26.280 it's intolerant

00:32:27.600 to try and discriminate

00:32:28.940 against these people

00:32:30.000 from using those facilities.

00:32:31.800 But ultimately,

00:32:33.240 being tougher

00:32:34.040 on the crime

00:32:35.460 of domestic violence,

00:32:36.480 having real sentences,

00:32:38.080 real consequences

00:32:38.900 for engaging it

00:32:39.960 is one of the ways

00:32:41.220 we ensure

00:32:41.960 it isn't repeated

00:32:43.400 by those who are,

00:32:45.140 you know,

00:32:45.600 are repeat offenders.

00:32:46.500 So you think back

00:32:47.140 in Canada,

00:32:47.740 where the policy

00:32:48.820 is to get arrested

00:32:49.920 and within 24 hours

00:32:51.560 we make sure

00:32:52.220 you're back on the street

00:32:53.300 able to re-offend again,

00:32:55.980 well, of course

00:32:56.700 we're going to see

00:32:57.300 repeat offenders

00:32:57.940 in areas like

00:32:58.800 domestic violence.

00:32:59.680 We're going to see

00:33:00.280 these people

00:33:00.860 who have beaten

00:33:01.960 one woman

00:33:02.560 beat another woman.

00:33:03.480 So the key is

00:33:04.120 to not let them

00:33:04.780 back on the street

00:33:05.460 where they're beating women.

00:33:07.200 Andrew,

00:33:07.460 do you remember

00:33:07.880 the story of

00:33:08.860 in London

00:33:09.480 when Sadiq Khan

00:33:10.900 made this campaign

00:33:12.280 and it was called

00:33:12.860 the mate campaign,

00:33:14.220 say mate

00:33:14.840 to try to stop

00:33:16.540 domestic violence

00:33:17.660 and, you know,

00:33:18.640 harassing women 1.00

00:33:19.240 on the street.

00:33:19.980 I have a feeling

00:33:20.600 that this position here

00:33:21.760 as we've discussed

00:33:22.660 is not going to do

00:33:23.300 anything to fix

00:33:23.960 the situation

00:33:24.620 but they're just

00:33:25.340 going to come up

00:33:25.800 with, you know,

00:33:26.480 new campaigns

00:33:27.260 like it probably will

00:33:28.820 be like,

00:33:30.080 say mate,

00:33:31.460 you know,

00:33:32.340 crikey

00:33:32.740 whenever you see

00:33:33.420 something bad.

00:33:34.060 Like they're going

00:33:34.500 to come up

00:33:34.840 with some nonsense,

00:33:35.920 you know,

00:33:36.220 graphics and campaigns

00:33:37.760 that aren't going

00:33:38.120 to do anything.

00:33:39.600 Yeah, it's going

00:33:40.260 to be a PSA

00:33:41.040 and at a certain point

00:33:41.980 you're talking

00:33:42.420 about a violence issue,

00:33:43.440 you're talking

00:33:43.760 about a justice issue,

00:33:44.700 you have to look

00:33:45.320 at the underlying causes

00:33:46.340 but the people

00:33:47.320 that are causing

00:33:48.000 these problems

00:33:48.740 are not going

00:33:49.300 to be like,

00:33:50.160 well, I don't know,

00:33:50.900 that Aussie bloke

00:33:51.640 on TV told me

00:33:53.120 I need to change

00:33:53.760 my behavior

00:33:54.360 so yeah,

00:33:55.580 everything's good now.

00:33:56.720 Thank you.

00:33:57.900 Yeah, it's ridiculous

00:33:59.160 and what rules

00:34:00.260 are in place

00:34:02.440 that are not being enforced

00:34:03.600 when it comes

00:34:04.140 to this stuff?

00:34:04.880 Are they going

00:34:05.160 to create more laws

00:34:06.220 about this stuff?

00:34:06.880 I'm sure that

00:34:07.520 domestic violence

00:34:08.560 is against the law

00:34:09.920 and abuse

00:34:11.280 of your spouses

00:34:12.960 against the law

00:34:13.580 in Australia

00:34:14.000 so why can't

00:34:15.080 they just enforce

00:34:15.840 the laws?

00:34:16.940 Well, one of the challenges

00:34:18.000 in this discussion

00:34:18.780 is that like

00:34:19.460 the way you protect women

00:34:21.100 is by giving them

00:34:21.840 spaces to go,

00:34:22.720 you give them shelters

00:34:23.500 to go to,

00:34:24.040 you fund those shelters

00:34:25.440 and there's a contingent

00:34:26.560 of the population

00:34:27.200 that says,

00:34:27.840 well, hang on,

00:34:28.420 that's missing the point,

00:34:29.300 we need to get men 0.99

00:34:30.140 to stop abusing women. 0.54

00:34:31.760 Well, yeah,

00:34:32.200 but you also need

00:34:32.880 to provide women

00:34:33.600 opportunities to get

00:34:34.700 out of these situations

00:34:35.740 and again,

00:34:36.680 I don't know

00:34:37.200 the state of the shelter

00:34:39.020 system in Australia

00:34:39.880 I think your point,

00:34:40.700 William,

00:34:40.900 is very valid,

00:34:42.080 making sure these shelters

00:34:43.200 actually stay

00:34:44.520 as safe spaces for women. 0.98

00:34:47.060 Yeah, I mean,

00:34:48.140 I'm sure there are

00:34:49.540 more things that can be done

00:34:50.800 and I would hope that,

00:34:53.380 you know,

00:34:53.960 I don't like to argue

00:34:55.340 for higher government spending

00:34:56.660 because I think so many

00:34:57.620 of our tax dollars

00:34:58.380 are badly spent,

00:34:59.840 but funding things

00:35:01.220 that have a material impact

00:35:02.760 on helping women

00:35:03.600 be safer

00:35:04.640 and to have places

00:35:05.960 where they can go,

00:35:07.160 systems that allow them

00:35:08.280 to more easily

00:35:09.360 report domestic violence,

00:35:11.820 have it investigated

00:35:12.580 and not result in women

00:35:15.140 who do leave their husbands

00:35:16.920 being, you know,

00:35:17.860 in abject poverty

00:35:18.940 or something like that,

00:35:20.740 I think are all valid,

00:35:21.780 but certainly the idea

00:35:23.080 that we're going to treat

00:35:24.620 all men as the problem,

00:35:26.100 I think just starts off

00:35:28.320 on the foot

00:35:28.940 of making most men

00:35:30.240 feel unreceptive

00:35:31.820 to any form of the changes

00:35:33.460 that the government

00:35:34.320 might suggest.

00:35:35.020 you don't like being told

00:35:36.400 that you're a problem

00:35:38.340 or that you're,

00:35:39.740 because of something

00:35:40.320 you can't control,

00:35:41.500 that you are suspect.

00:35:43.000 And then certainly

00:35:43.660 the terrible people

00:35:45.160 who engage in domestic violence

00:35:46.780 are very rarely receptive

00:35:48.520 to public service announcements.

00:35:50.800 It's the same way 0.70

00:35:51.860 that the gun registry

00:35:54.000 didn't reduce illegal gun crime

00:35:56.400 because if you're willing

00:35:57.360 to steal a firearm

00:35:59.220 and murder someone with it, 0.88

00:36:00.700 you're probably willing

00:36:01.680 not to fill out

00:36:02.660 the government form

00:36:03.600 to register your weapons.

00:36:05.740 So it makes about

00:36:06.600 as much sense

00:36:07.340 as the gun registry,

00:36:10.380 which is why

00:36:10.740 the gun registry

00:36:11.320 was not widely popular

00:36:12.740 here in Canada.

00:36:13.760 Indeed.

00:36:14.480 All right,

00:36:14.880 we will close things out

00:36:16.120 on a self-indulgent note

00:36:17.600 on my part.

00:36:18.260 So as I've talked about

00:36:19.200 on my show,

00:36:19.820 my new book came out this week,

00:36:21.580 Pierre Polly have a political life.

00:36:23.880 It's a banger of a biography

00:36:25.280 about the Conservative Party

00:36:26.680 of Canada leader.

00:36:27.680 And I've been very grateful

00:36:28.540 that there's been

00:36:29.040 a tremendous amount

00:36:30.200 of interest from the media.

00:36:31.500 I was on my colleague

00:36:32.700 Rachel Emanuel's show.

00:36:33.920 I've been on,

00:36:34.860 interviewed on newspapers,

00:36:36.140 radio, podcasting,

00:36:37.280 and even,

00:36:38.280 don't hold it against me,

00:36:39.700 CBC.

00:36:41.220 CBC's Power in Politics

00:36:42.600 with David Cochran

00:36:43.720 very kindly had me on

00:36:45.020 for a relatively long interview.

00:36:47.240 And I spoke about

00:36:48.340 my experiences

00:36:49.120 writing the book

00:36:49.840 and some of the conclusions

00:36:50.840 I've taken away

00:36:51.640 and had a nice chat

00:36:52.680 with David Cochran.

00:36:53.980 Well, this has been converted

00:36:55.900 into a liberal attack ad,

00:36:58.480 believe it or not.

00:36:59.100 Take a look.

00:36:59.600 How aggressive

00:37:01.580 do you think he will be

00:37:02.940 should he win?

00:37:04.480 I mean, one friend of his

00:37:05.560 that I quote in the book,

00:37:06.760 Adam Dyfala,

00:37:07.700 predicts a Mike Harris

00:37:09.380 first term.

00:37:10.580 Just a year into its mandate,

00:37:12.060 the Harris government

00:37:12.860 began implementing

00:37:13.900 a series of drastic reforms

00:37:15.800 in the hospital centre.

00:37:16.020 I like the scary music.

00:37:17.200 Operating budgets

00:37:18.120 were cut by almost

00:37:19.100 1.3 billion dollars.

00:37:21.380 The result?

00:37:22.220 A lot of staff

00:37:23.160 lost their jobs.

00:37:24.180 Mike Harris

00:37:24.900 seems determined

00:37:25.620 to tell the people of Ontario

00:37:26.980 that it's business as usual,

00:37:28.900 that the government

00:37:29.760 is determined

00:37:30.540 to carry on

00:37:31.420 with its deficit slashing,

00:37:33.280 tax cutting agenda.

00:37:34.740 But what I remember

00:37:35.800 are all the cuts

00:37:37.800 and deregulation.

00:37:40.380 And of course,

00:37:41.020 I remember Walkerton.

00:37:42.440 In Walkerton,

00:37:43.620 seven people died

00:37:44.720 and thousands became sick

00:37:46.360 when E. coli bacteria

00:37:47.920 in the local water system.

00:37:50.140 A judicial review

00:37:50.960 found cuts to the Ministry

00:37:52.260 of Environment

00:37:52.980 were partly to blame.

00:37:54.880 Predicts a Mike Harris

00:37:56.420 first term.

00:37:59.780 Now, by the way,

00:38:01.080 you may recall,

00:38:02.240 just to go back

00:38:03.160 a couple of years,

00:38:04.220 CBC sued the Conservatives

00:38:06.180 for using CBC footage

00:38:08.000 in an ad.

00:38:09.960 So I don't know

00:38:10.820 if the CBC

00:38:12.060 is going to sue the Liberals

00:38:13.240 for using their footage

00:38:14.060 in this one.

00:38:15.280 I find this just hilarious.

00:38:17.020 I mean,

00:38:17.220 now I've had the privilege

00:38:18.360 of starring in two attack ads.

00:38:20.020 I was in a conservative attack ad

00:38:22.280 against the PPC once

00:38:23.560 and I've now been

00:38:24.320 in a liberal attack ad.

00:38:25.360 So I just need Jagmeet Singh

00:38:26.440 to, you know,

00:38:27.340 pluck me in an ad

00:38:28.060 and then I'll have the trifecta.

00:38:29.900 But William,

00:38:31.200 what's your take on this?

00:38:32.480 I mean,

00:38:32.640 because you were actually around

00:38:33.460 when Mike Harris was,

00:38:34.660 you know,

00:38:35.120 this very popular figure

00:38:36.780 in the conservative movement.

00:38:38.520 Yeah, I mean,

00:38:39.220 my political background

00:38:40.280 means I do love

00:38:41.200 a good attack ad.

00:38:42.080 I, you know,

00:38:43.220 nobody likes to watch them,

00:38:44.320 but I do.

00:38:44.860 I have a cache of them

00:38:46.880 on my computer

00:38:47.880 that I sometimes rewatch

00:38:49.680 for nostalgia's sake.

00:38:51.200 But I think

00:38:51.800 one of the problems

00:38:52.460 with this ad

00:38:53.200 is something you just hit on

00:38:54.420 where a huge number of people

00:38:56.020 are going to watch that

00:38:56.820 and go,

00:38:57.820 right,

00:38:58.500 and who's Mike Harris?

00:38:59.940 Because he hasn't been premier

00:39:01.680 in a long,

00:39:03.200 long time.

00:39:04.180 And the fact

00:39:05.100 that they're having

00:39:05.580 to go back that far

00:39:07.120 just shows that they...

00:39:08.820 It was literally 29 years.

00:39:10.520 29 years since he was elected.

00:39:12.120 Yeah, so 30 years.

00:39:13.380 And, you know,

00:39:14.800 so people who were 18 or 20

00:39:17.780 are now going to be 50

00:39:19.360 to remember it.

00:39:21.300 And so,

00:39:21.900 I don't know.

00:39:22.600 To me,

00:39:23.340 it shows that

00:39:24.500 they're on pretty thin ice.

00:39:25.940 That the fact

00:39:26.420 that you have to reference

00:39:27.200 something 30 years ago

00:39:28.720 in order to try

00:39:29.900 and make an attack ad

00:39:30.880 shows that the well

00:39:31.860 is pretty dry

00:39:32.860 when it comes

00:39:33.900 to attack ads.

00:39:35.300 That being said,

00:39:36.100 I'm sure that the

00:39:36.940 10 or 12 people

00:39:38.420 who watch

00:39:39.200 David Cochran's

00:39:40.680 Power and Politics show

00:39:41.640 will be absolutely outraged

00:39:43.260 by the comparison

00:39:45.340 to Mike Harris.

00:39:47.740 Well,

00:39:48.300 I hear,

00:39:48.840 you know,

00:39:49.820 massive cuts

00:39:50.680 to a bloated government.

00:39:52.080 I feel like

00:39:52.520 that sounds like

00:39:53.060 a pretty good time.

00:39:53.940 I feel like

00:39:54.260 I missed a good time

00:39:55.120 back then.

00:39:56.080 I wish I was around

00:39:57.000 to enjoy it in Ontario.

00:39:58.200 We could certainly

00:39:58.720 deal with that now.

00:39:59.960 I found it interesting,

00:40:01.140 Andrew,

00:40:01.280 at the beginning

00:40:01.780 of the interview

00:40:02.360 you had with David Cochran,

00:40:04.100 he made the point

00:40:04.740 that he said,

00:40:05.660 I wonder what

00:40:06.540 the True North audience

00:40:07.520 is thinking

00:40:07.960 having you join us

00:40:09.620 on CBC

00:40:10.260 and the CBC audience

00:40:11.540 is going to freak out

00:40:12.360 having the dangerous

00:40:14.180 conservative Andrew Lawton

00:40:15.600 on CBC.

00:40:17.040 I don't think

00:40:17.760 the True North audience

00:40:18.640 actually was too upset

00:40:20.520 that you were on CBC.

00:40:21.440 No, no.

00:40:21.900 Everyone's like,

00:40:22.340 oh, great.

00:40:22.720 Good for you.

00:40:23.300 Yeah.

00:40:23.640 I think they would like us

00:40:24.740 to see us

00:40:26.560 go on CBC

00:40:29.000 and challenge them

00:40:29.900 face to face

00:40:30.580 more often.

00:40:31.720 Like if we were on CBC

00:40:32.820 and they invited us,

00:40:33.840 we could have some debates

00:40:34.720 with them.

00:40:35.520 That would make for

00:40:36.040 some great content.

00:40:36.940 It might actually

00:40:37.420 increase the views

00:40:38.580 of the CBC as well.

00:40:39.660 It's a win-win.

00:40:40.340 I see it.

00:40:41.520 So I was also,

00:40:42.560 when was it?

00:40:43.140 I think it was on,

00:40:43.700 I recorded it on Sunday

00:40:44.800 and it came out on Tuesday.

00:40:45.980 I was on Peter Mansbridge's podcast.

00:40:47.840 So Peter Mansbridge,

00:40:48.680 the longtime CBC guy

00:40:50.200 has a podcast now

00:40:51.220 and we had a very lovely chat.

00:40:52.920 He had me on for,

00:40:53.600 I think it was like

00:40:53.960 40 minutes or so

00:40:54.840 and oh my goodness,

00:40:56.940 his audience

00:40:58.020 has not forgiven him.

00:40:59.580 You want to see

00:41:00.080 a ratio, Harrison?

00:41:01.440 I've seen the comments.

00:41:02.260 Look at the tweet

00:41:03.380 from Peter Mansbridge

00:41:04.360 announcing that I was

00:41:05.320 on his show.

00:41:06.120 I feel bad for the guy

00:41:07.220 because he's thinking,

00:41:07.980 oh great,

00:41:08.400 I'm going to reach

00:41:09.320 across the aisle

00:41:10.080 and talk to this

00:41:10.760 conservative author

00:41:11.680 and show that I'm

00:41:12.360 a fair newsman

00:41:13.460 and now his people

00:41:14.460 are like,

00:41:14.780 I'm unsubscribing.

00:41:15.860 I'm never,

00:41:16.220 how dare you have

00:41:17.020 Andrew Lawton on?

00:41:17.820 It was even more

00:41:18.640 unhinged than the CBC audience.

00:41:20.980 Don't you think

00:41:21.600 that says something though

00:41:22.500 that our audience

00:41:23.760 would be like,

00:41:24.700 would be super pumped

00:41:25.700 when we get to go on these?

00:41:26.860 Like obviously

00:41:27.640 the interview you had

00:41:28.520 with Mansbridge

00:41:29.040 wasn't a confrontational interview

00:41:30.920 but had it been,

00:41:32.940 you know,

00:41:33.380 had it been the sort of thing

00:41:34.320 where they wanted

00:41:34.800 to challenge us

00:41:35.560 on certain issues,

00:41:36.840 I think our audience,

00:41:37.880 the conservative audience,

00:41:38.860 they'd be like super up for it.

00:41:40.220 They'd tune in,

00:41:41.160 they'd be super into it

00:41:42.040 and the current audience

00:41:44.220 on these legacy media platforms,

00:41:45.780 those that are hanging on

00:41:46.620 to the podcasts

00:41:47.500 of Peter Mansbridge

00:41:48.320 and the CBC,

00:41:50.380 they can't even handle that.

00:41:51.640 They don't want

00:41:51.940 the platform to be given.

00:41:52.900 They don't even want

00:41:53.380 to be pushed back

00:41:54.060 on the ideas.

00:41:54.560 They don't want to be

00:41:55.000 exposed to new ideas.

00:41:56.400 It says a lot.

00:41:57.020 Yeah, it happened

00:41:58.340 when my Convoy book

00:41:59.940 came out two years ago.

00:42:02.140 I went on Justin Ling's podcast

00:42:03.740 who's a,

00:42:04.280 I'd say a left-wing journalist.

00:42:05.520 I don't think he would

00:42:06.020 reject that description

00:42:08.120 and we had a great chat.

00:42:09.800 He had me on

00:42:10.440 and was one of the only

00:42:11.580 non-right-leaning people

00:42:13.220 to interview me

00:42:13.920 for that book

00:42:14.480 and then I had had him

00:42:15.960 on my show

00:42:16.560 about something else

00:42:17.380 around the same time

00:42:18.320 and exactly what you

00:42:19.900 just described there

00:42:20.640 happened, Harrison,

00:42:21.360 where his audience,

00:42:22.200 a lot of them were like,

00:42:23.080 you know,

00:42:23.240 how dare you platform

00:42:24.160 this Andrew Lawton guy

00:42:25.140 and my audience was like,

00:42:27.020 well, I don't like Justin Ling

00:42:28.060 but that was a good chat

00:42:28.940 or oh, I'm glad

00:42:29.540 you had him on.

00:42:31.040 People actually appreciated

00:42:32.460 that dialogue

00:42:33.540 and I think that's one

00:42:34.340 of the profound differences

00:42:35.360 between the left

00:42:36.040 and the right

00:42:36.440 and it's why

00:42:36.880 the free speech fight

00:42:37.840 is so important

00:42:38.900 because we want

00:42:39.560 to engage in the debate.

00:42:40.800 A lot of them

00:42:41.360 want to shut down

00:42:41.960 the debate.

00:42:42.360 I think it's such

00:42:45.080 an interesting comparison

00:42:46.520 to even today's

00:42:48.680 the issue

00:42:50.140 of Palestinian protests

00:42:51.240 and the fact

00:42:52.280 that there are groups

00:42:53.040 out there

00:42:53.400 trying to deplatform

00:42:54.740 anybody who has

00:42:56.140 any association

00:42:56.920 with Israel

00:42:57.580 or anyone

00:42:59.380 who has dared

00:43:00.780 to be associated

00:43:02.620 with a Jewish person.

00:43:04.300 I think I read

00:43:05.260 an article that said

00:43:06.180 in Chicago

00:43:07.480 there was a list

00:43:08.400 of a group chat

00:43:09.840 or a conversation

00:43:10.600 amongst therapists

00:43:11.500 and they said

00:43:12.360 well who here

00:43:13.280 could treat a Zionist 0.99

00:43:15.580 who's having mental issues

00:43:17.660 and anybody who responded

00:43:18.900 to that group chat

00:43:19.560 saying they would

00:43:20.320 they got put on a list

00:43:21.760 of these are the Zionist 0.87

00:43:23.760 supporters in our ranks

00:43:25.380 and the idea

00:43:26.720 that if you disagree

00:43:29.040 with someone politically

00:43:29.980 they're not just wrong

00:43:31.100 but they're evil

00:43:32.520 and they need to be removed

00:43:34.680 and frankly

00:43:35.560 a lot of them think killed

00:43:37.000 I think is the intolerance

00:43:39.540 of the progressive left

00:43:40.640 that is now really

00:43:41.680 showing its face

00:43:42.520 in things

00:43:43.480 and I think most recently

00:43:44.420 in the ongoing protests

00:43:47.040 regarding Palestine

00:43:49.200 and the Hamas attacks

00:43:51.520 of October 7th.

00:43:52.840 Yeah.

00:43:53.300 Very well said.

00:43:54.420 All right.

00:43:54.660 Well that does it for us

00:43:55.920 for another Off the Record.

00:43:57.360 Thanks to Harrison Faulkner

00:43:58.540 and William Macbeth

00:43:59.580 as always

00:44:00.000 for your contributions.

00:44:01.440 I'm Andrew Lawton.

00:44:02.200 Have a wonderful weekend everyone.

00:44:09.540 He got me off

00:44:13.300 before I did the tagline.

00:44:14.520 I was supposed to say

00:44:15.240 and everything was

00:44:15.800 off the record.

00:44:16.460 Oh well.

00:44:17.540 I'm waiting for my invitation

00:44:18.840 to join Rosie Barton's 0.98

00:44:20.560 Sunday panel

00:44:21.280 so I can go head to head

00:44:22.280 with Andrew Coyne.

00:44:23.640 When are they going to

00:44:24.180 give me my invitation?

00:44:25.220 When are they going to

00:44:25.520 let me loose?

00:44:26.440 Sean's now fighting me.

00:44:27.380 He says that was a clear cue.

00:44:28.900 Well okay yes

00:44:29.700 in fairness I had forgotten

00:44:30.860 to do it

00:44:31.260 but I had remembered

00:44:32.020 and then the outro

00:44:33.160 was going

00:44:33.760 and oh well.

00:44:35.200 But I didn't know

00:44:35.560 that it is going

00:44:36.180 on.

00:44:39.640 I was gonna take

00:44:40.460 one or two

00:44:42.260 to do it

00:44:43.780 because I think

00:44:45.620 I was gonna throw

00:44:46.380 a brain

00:44:49.380 and I know

00:44:50.180 I thought

00:44:51.500 I don't know

00:44:51.700 that it

00:44:52.560 Which is

00:44:53.740 the hear

00:44:54.180 or

00:44:54.740 what

00:44:55.160 You

00:44:55.940 So

00:44:55.980 I can

00:45:00.500 See

00:45:02.580 And I

00:45:02.940 I can

00:45:04.000 see

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