Juno News - Liberals BLINDSIDED by rumoured U.S. trade agreement

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Straight Up with Mark Petroni. I am your host. Welcome, my friends.

00:00:09.860 Deal or no deal? The Globe and Mail is reporting a U.S.-Canada trade deal could be ready for

00:00:15.840 approval within days. A trade deal on steel and aluminum and energy could be ready for

00:00:21.580 Prime Minister Mark Carney and U.S. President Donald Trump to sign at the Asia-Pacific Economic

00:00:27.720 Cooperation Summit later this month, two sources say. Trade Minister Dominic LeBlanc was caught off

00:00:34.740 guard by the announcement and denies that a trade deal with the Americans is imminent. Let's listen.

00:00:40.700 Surprised to see this morning the report that we're possibly going to finalize a deal in the next few

00:00:47.180 days. We're making progress. I'm in constant discussions on the weekend, again yesterday

00:00:51.540 with my American counterparts. We're making progress. We're into a level of detail that we hadn't seen

00:00:56.420 previously, but we still have work to do, and my objective is to continue to do that work until

00:01:02.660 we get to the deal, but we haven't set a deadline of a particular date in the next week or two.

00:01:07.640 We'll just continue to do the work to get the right deal.

00:01:11.360 So who are these mysterious sources leaking information to the Globe and Mail, and do they

00:01:16.420 know something that Dominic LeBlanc does not? More fallout from the decision by auto giant

00:01:22.420 Stellantis to move production from Brampton to the United States. The Liberal government spent $15

00:01:29.160 billion to help Stellantis build and operate an electric vehicle battery plant in Windsor, Ontario.

00:01:36.860 And now the leader of the opposition, Conservatives, is demanding to know if the Liberals negotiated a

00:01:42.380 jobs guarantee with Stellantis before handing over the money.

00:01:45.680 Tragically, 3,000 autoworkers in Brampton learned that the Prime Minister had sold them out and failed

00:01:53.280 them in negotiations with the United States of America. To make matters worse, this Liberal government

00:01:58.980 and this Liberal finance minister forked over $15 billion tax dollars to the company that is moving

00:02:07.760 their jobs south. So, surely, the government would have negotiated a jobs guarantee for every single

00:02:15.600 Canadian Stellantis employee. Will they release that guarantee and the entire contract so Canadians 0.98

00:02:21.640 know where their dollars went?

00:02:24.220 The Honourable Minister of Industry.

00:02:27.640 Mr. Speaker, of course, what Stellantis announced for the Brampton plant last week was completely

00:02:33.780 unacceptable. And Stellantis has made solemn commitments to this government and to their workers and they

00:02:40.600 need to honour their commitments. And that's why we will hold them to account. While my colleagues are

00:02:47.360 just right now talking, we already know that in committee we said that we would agree to the

00:02:53.600 production of documents. Thank you.

00:02:56.780 Anyway, Catherine Swift, who's always terrific, will be joining us just in a few minutes' time to weigh in on 0.91

00:03:01.800 that story. While the days of wide public support for immigration in Canada are gone, according to

00:03:08.620 Enverotics, 56% of Canadians now say immigration is too high. The reasons really should be no surprise. Some

00:03:18.260 point to the influx of millions of people, newcomers into Canada for being responsible for everything from the 1.00

00:03:24.540 housing crisis, to unemployment, to crime, and yeah, even inflation. Speaking of which, if you've noticed

00:03:32.060 prices nudging higher at the grocery stores, it's not your imagination. Canada's inflation rate jumped to 2.4% in

00:03:39.580 September, driven by food and gas. This post by Pierre Polyev, inflation jumps again with all four measures

00:03:48.540 above the Bank of Canada's target. Food prices are rising at twice their benchmark. The cost of

00:03:55.560 Carney's inflationary deficits is higher prices for heating, eating, and housing. Now that may dash hopes for

00:04:04.540 another interest rate cut by the Bank of Canada next week. But with the economy as weak as it is in Canada, the

00:04:11.820 bank may feel it has no choice but to cut rates anyway to deal with the possibility of, well, a further slowdown in the

00:04:21.820 economy. The problem? Well, higher inflation may very well be in the offing. We'll just have to see.

00:04:27.740 And Catherine Swift is president of the Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Canada, which has a new

00:04:34.460 billboard campaign. The billboard reads, Ottawa is more detrimental to Canadians than Washington DC.

00:04:41.500 Catherine, welcome to the show. Thank you, Mark. Happy to be here.

00:04:45.420 Let's talk a little bit about your billboard campaign. First of all, what do you mean by that exactly?

00:04:50.780 Boy, well, the bottom line is we're tired of seeing everything blamed on people outside of Canada.

00:04:59.020 Sure, it has an impact. But the vast, vast majority of our problems have been around for years.

00:05:05.580 Of course, Trump is an easy target in a way. You know, we know a lot of Canadians don't like Trump.

00:05:11.500 And a lot of Canadians don't like the US. There's always been that kind of anti-American theme under the surface.

00:05:18.620 And it comes up from time to time. And now is certainly one of those times.

00:05:22.300 So we just want to emphasize all the vast majority of our serious economic issues were around long before Trump was a factor at all.

00:05:31.580 We've been suffering. We've been going downhill for a decade now, a liberal decade and not a mistake.

00:05:36.620 And, you know, a lot of people say, well, you know, we had we've had some shocks from the global economy.

00:05:41.420 Yeah, we have. So is everybody else. And yet we're doing much poorly, much more poorly than other countries and notably the US,

00:05:48.700 who we always compare ourselves to for obvious reasons. And, you know, our standard of living has declined significantly.

00:05:55.100 We see a stalled economy or worse. We've seen negative quarters of GDP, you know, decline, decline.

00:06:02.380 And the tilting toward recession is the way it looks. We see, you know, our dollars in trouble.

00:06:08.380 I mean, basically every economic factor is not in good shape.

00:06:11.980 Our productivity. Productivity is a measure of our standard of living, of our wealth as a country.

00:06:18.700 And it's been abysmal. And again, compared to other countries. So, you know, when I see Carney say,

00:06:23.980 we're going to be the strongest economy in the G7, it's like, what are you smoking? We're the weakest

00:06:29.980 economy in the in the G7. We look at the OECD list of countries. We're right at the bottom.

00:06:35.740 So it's not it's not just us saying this. And I think to bring to continue to bring to the attention

00:06:41.420 of Canadians in general, the fact that we can fix our own problems, we're not doing it. But the answers

00:06:48.860 are not a mystery. You know, sometimes the economy is terrible when you go, gee, what could we possibly

00:06:52.540 do to fix it? The answers are incredibly obvious this time around. We're just not doing it, mostly

00:06:59.020 for ideological partisan reasons that we're following certain policies that are hurting the country.

00:07:04.220 Yeah, our economy was in decline before Trump won, you know, his second term. And it's just too easy,

00:07:12.620 really, for the Liberals and their friends and the legacy media to point fingers and say, well,

00:07:17.420 whatever problems we got in this country, it's the orange man's fault. 0.99

00:07:20.940 Yeah, it's tempting.

00:07:22.380 And that's what they've been doing.

00:07:23.260 Yeah, absolutely. It's tempting. But, you know, it's not just the feds, to be fair. It is the feds

00:07:28.460 in many respects, but it's also some provinces. I mean, I look, I live in Ontario,

00:07:32.460 and I look here in Ontario, and Doug Ford seems to throw a crazy hissy fit. When anything happens,

00:07:39.340 that Crown Royal pouring out business was just, I thought, he likes to say somebody's, you know,

00:07:45.260 cheese has slipped off the cracker. I think his cheese is slipping off the cracker,

00:07:48.940 because he's just, you know, doing some wacky things. And then with the Crown Royal thing,

00:07:54.620 it was a Canadian product, for goodness sakes, what he should be asking himself. And we hear,

00:07:59.180 we hear GM today, just this morning, downsizing a plant. Now, Stellantis recently, I mean,

00:08:05.260 there's a whole long list of businesses that are leaving Ontario. Businesses don't leave a location

00:08:11.100 for nothing. They, it's a pain in the butt to move your business. You got to get a new facility, 0.96

00:08:16.060 you got to hire new people, you got to, you know, deal with current employees, you know,

00:08:19.660 you have all kinds of problems. They only do it when the situation has become untenable for them.

00:08:25.580 And the thing that gets me about businesses leaving, you don't even hear about the majority.

00:08:29.420 But we sure we hear about a Stellantis, we hear about a GM, because they're big, you know, hundreds,

00:08:33.420 often thousands of employees affected. But I can tell you an awful lot of our members,

00:08:37.580 small and medium sized manufacturers, and other other sectors of the economy have left Ontario,

00:08:43.500 sometimes they leave a bit of an operation in Canada still, but their growth and their job

00:08:48.540 creation is happening south of the border. And that, that is just is so worried, worrisome.

00:08:55.500 Kearney and Ford and other provinces as well should be saying to themselves, why are they leaving?

00:09:00.780 They don't do it for no reason at all. We don't have a competitive business climate,

00:09:05.260 which means we can't offer the good jobs that manufacturers in particular offer because they're

00:09:09.740 high paying, you know, good skilled jobs. They need to look in the mirror and ask themselves what

00:09:15.260 they've done to cause this not try to like you say, blame old orange man bad as an easy scapegoat.

00:09:21.020 But it's not it's not true. Yeah, I mean, energy prices are too high.

00:09:26.460 Regulatory burdens are too high in Ontario and other provinces. So let's look at that, you know,

00:09:32.140 let's get rid of the red tape. That's what Doug Ford promised when he, you know, got elected.

00:09:37.260 And has he delivered on reducing red tape for businesses? Not at all.

00:09:41.980 Electricity prices are still way too high. And so these companies look south and it starts looking

00:09:47.260 pretty tempting because whether you're talking about Ohio or Indiana or Virginia or all these

00:09:52.140 other states say, come on in, you know, we're happy. They're incredibly welcoming. And I mean,

00:09:57.100 that's kind of a, you know, kind of a, an old trope in a way, but it's true. And, and some of my

00:10:03.900 colleagues who have left, who have established plans and they don't want to, they live here,

00:10:07.420 their family's here. You know, like I say, this is not something people do lightly. But they,

00:10:12.380 they go to like some of those states you mentioned, and they're welcomed. I heard a story recently that

00:10:18.940 there's always paperwork and permits and this and that, that you need in any location at all.

00:10:23.100 Canada is not the only one. Canada is just worse in many ways, but they went down to the states and the

00:10:28.940 local municipal, you know, official or whatever called them and said, well, these are the permits

00:10:33.660 you have to fill out and so on. But you know what? I'll fill them out for you. Don't, you don't have

00:10:37.340 to worry about it. Can you imagine a bureaucrat in Canada doing that? Come on. So it's not even just

00:10:43.740 the volume of regulation red tape. And you're right. Ford said he'd get rid of a lot of it. And he

00:10:48.380 hasn't. It's also the attitude they find when they deal with officials in the US, because in Canada,

00:10:54.540 profit is often considered a dirty word. If you don't have profit, I hate to tell you,

00:10:59.260 you're not in business and you're not employing anybody. So, you know, part of it is culture.

00:11:03.820 And we need to, you know, we need to, you know, give our heads a shake and realize if we're not

00:11:08.700 welcoming to business, we're going to decline. We're all going to be negatively affected as an economy.

00:11:14.540 Let's talk a little bit about the auto sector, which is in Grimm State. And you mentioned yourself

00:11:18.780 that now GM is looking at downsizing along with Stellantis problem. We handed these companies

00:11:24.460 all sorts of money. I mean, in the case of Stellantis, somewhere around $15 billion, you know,

00:11:30.460 to build that EV plant in Windsor. And now, of course, they're saying, you know what, we're going

00:11:36.140 to move production to Illinois and other states, you know, they're going to build their EVs somewhere

00:11:43.260 else. And so I guess the question begs, what about the money that we committed to this company?

00:11:48.860 And why wasn't there, at least as far as we know, some kind of jobs guarantee, you know,

00:11:55.180 guaranteeing that these workers that they had, the 3,000 people in Brampton, you know, continue to

00:12:00.620 work for Stellantis rather than being shunted aside in favor of a move to the United States?

00:12:06.460 Yeah, no, it's, well, the Liberals are trying to block the agreement that they made with Stellantis.

00:12:13.180 So that speaks volumes, doesn't it? If it had all kinds of guarantees in it, they wouldn't be blocking it.

00:12:17.500 And the Conservative motion actually passed yesterday, which was great in the House of

00:12:21.180 Commons. Mind you, the Liberals, that this is the, I mean, I've been around a long time,

00:12:24.460 as you know, Mark, and I've dealt with governments for decades. This is truly the most secretive,

00:12:30.620 sneaky government I have ever seen in the last 10 years in Ottawa. All governments hide stuff,

00:12:36.220 and that should worry us. But never, but I've never seen anything like this. They hide everything.

00:12:40.940 And even when they're directed by the House of Commons to do something like the Green Slush Fund was a 0.60

00:12:45.180 good example before, you know, last year, before the House, you know, broke up federally most recently

00:12:51.500 for the summer break or whatever. And we've never seen any of that. And we know there's lots of bad,

00:12:57.900 bad stuff in there. So this is just another example of Stellantis business. Clearly,

00:13:03.100 they didn't cover their bases or cover our bases. It's our money. But they, and they don't want to

00:13:07.660 reveal it. Hopefully, we'll see it. Hopefully, they won't use some other sneaky little,

00:13:11.660 you know, trick to deny taxpayers from seeing how they didn't protect their money.

00:13:16.460 But the autumn sector in general, you know, whenever you see in a sector of the economy

00:13:21.260 that constantly has to be subsidized, we have subsidized that sector forever, ever since it

00:13:26.940 existed. Every few years, a few more billion gets tossed in. And of course, the kinds of

00:13:31.900 subsidies we're talking about with a Stellantis to supposedly attract certain industry here. So

00:13:38.300 there's something very wrong. I mean, it's one thing to bail out a company and then okay, it's on,

00:13:42.380 you know, it's on an even keel now, and it might be worth doing once. But when it has to be done

00:13:47.740 every few years, something very wrong with that industry.

00:13:50.700 Paul Jay

00:13:51.900 In light of everything that's happened, you would think that Canada would be embracing the 1.00

00:13:55.820 resource sector, you know, because we could always, you know, that's who's paying the groceries,

00:14:00.220 potentially. And yet, instead of jumping with both feet, building out our infrastructure,

00:14:05.980 you know, building Northern Gateway or whatever they want to call it out to the Pacific, you know,

00:14:11.100 easing up on these restrictions like the tanker ban, there's no sign that the government is going

00:14:16.380 in that direction at all. And you can make the case now that given everything that's happened

00:14:20.460 with Trump, the tariff issue, our slowing economy, this would be the time really to launch these major

00:14:26.220 projects. And yet the government is still digging in its heels, Catherine.

00:14:29.980 Yeah, well, I referred earlier to the ideologically driven policies. That's the biggest one right

00:14:35.340 there. The fact that we have all this wealth that other countries want, good grief, you know,

00:14:39.820 the member Trudeau said, there's no business case, give me a break. Ridiculous. But Carney, 0.91

00:14:45.820 as we know, anybody that's read his book, should know, it's very socialist, it's very anti-fossil fuels,

00:14:54.460 in general. And even mining, even it's not even just fossil fuels, it's also mining, it's these

00:14:59.260 great big projects that could bring us such wealth to everyone, you know, to every Canadian.

00:15:06.140 And I always find it ironic when people say in Ontario, the province I live in, they,

00:15:10.860 oh, the federal government just did something bad to Alberta, what a shame for Alberta.

00:15:15.180 Well, people, do you realize how much of Ontario and other provinces depends on the oil and gas sector?

00:15:21.500 We have manufacturers that build pipes for pipelines, we have people that build all kinds

00:15:25.900 of machinery for that industry. I mean, what benefits that industry benefits the entirety of

00:15:32.380 Canada, in a big way, with good jobs, well paying jobs. And the fact that we're ignoring,

00:15:38.700 this is what I say, if the answers to our problems were a mystery, that would be one thing, but they're

00:15:43.980 not. The single most important thing any federal government could do right now to give the economy

00:15:49.740 a real boost is open up our fossil fuel sector and extend that to mining as well. We hear talk

00:15:57.100 about it all the time, but the action is missing. Yeah, absolutely. And there's no seem,

00:16:03.900 you know, every time you think that it's the one thing that could help bail us out, you know,

00:16:08.220 as we look at our budget coming down in a couple of weeks time, you know, November 4, we're expecting

00:16:13.820 to see a deficit that could be running $70 billion. Some people say it'll be $100 billion. You know,

00:16:20.860 how are we going to pay all this stuff? So it's all about spending, spending, spending at the federal

00:16:25.900 level, including hiring plenty of public servants more than we've ever had before.

00:16:29.820 Well, that's what gets me. Yeah, that's what gets me, Mark. The most substantive thing that Carney's

00:16:35.900 done is expand government even more. And Trudeau expanded it by 40%, 40% in terms of people, 70%

00:16:43.740 in terms of cost. I mean, good Lord, that's just not sustainable under any circumstance. And Carney

00:16:49.980 himself, I mean, he talks a very good game, Carney. And I met with him frequently when he was Bank of

00:16:54.380 Canada governor. So I kind of know the guy. And he does talk a very good game about having to,

00:16:58.860 you know, open up things to this industry, that industry and so on. But he doesn't do it. And

00:17:04.620 and this is just another example, expanding government, he said he was going to downsize

00:17:08.300 government. Well, we've seen the reverse and the more of our resources that go to unproductive,

00:17:14.860 unproductive government, the less goes to productive private sector, we know we have a productivity

00:17:19.900 issue. And by the way, manufacturing and oil and gas are the two sectors that contribute the most to

00:17:26.060 Canadian productivity. So damaging those sectors, which is what's going on right now,

00:17:30.860 makes our productivity problem again, that's our wealth as individuals. And as a country,

00:17:35.100 it makes the problem worse. We were really sold a phony bill of goods,

00:17:39.500 weren't we during the election? Yeah, we really were.

00:17:41.420 It was clever marketing. It was clever marketing, Mark. Yeah, it was clever marketing. I mean,

00:17:47.100 you have to give them credit. It was clever marketing. But for people to believe at this stage

00:17:51.180 of the game, that they got what they voted for. No, that's not happening. So I hope a lot of people

00:17:57.260 out there are rethinking just how much this government and they keep saying the new government,

00:18:02.700 but it's mostly composed of retreads from the from the liberal, the previous liberal administration. So

00:18:08.940 it's really not very new. But there's no there's, we can clearly see why Carney keeps saying the new

00:18:13.820 government, because he wants to distract from the fact that it's really a lot like the old government.

00:18:18.300 And our economy continues to decline. I mean, the proof is you could argue

00:18:22.220 however you want, but the proof is in those economic data. Nobody's inventing those. They're all bad.

00:18:29.820 We need a trade deal. I mean, that would go at least part of the way towards alleviating things.

00:18:34.940 It would take that pressure off of Carney. But as I mentioned off the top, you know, Dominic LeBlanc saying

00:18:40.460 there's no deal. Apparently, things are heating up in terms of the intensity of the talks. Maybe they're

00:18:46.220 getting down to nitty gritty. But you still have the Americans say that as far as the auto sector

00:18:51.260 goes, as far as lumber goes, we don't want to talk about that. You don't want to go there. That's bad

00:18:56.780 news for Ontario in particular, if you're talking about the auto sector, of course, lumber out west

00:19:02.700 and so forth. This is not good. I mean, we've got to find other markets for our products. The problem is,

00:19:09.340 of course, the United States is right next door. It begins with a trade deal. This got promised a

00:19:15.180 trade deal by July 21st. We're well past that point, Catherine.

00:19:19.580 Yeah. Well, business wants a deal. The most deadly thing for business and probably everybody in their

00:19:25.660 own lives is uncertainty. When you don't know what the heck's happening, you don't hire, you don't

00:19:30.940 build a facility. In fact, you might leave. You might think, geez, I don't know what's happening here.

00:19:34.460 I'm going to go somewhere where I do know what's happening. It's bad for everybody. The trade deal

00:19:39.980 is a huge factor that's driving uncertainty, obviously, for everyone. I've heard so many

00:19:45.420 stories, Mark, from people in the system saying, our officials are ragging the puck down there.

00:19:54.140 They're not trying to get a trade deal. The Americans, the various teams they have negotiating

00:19:59.500 and so on. The Canadians will often come down with an outrageous demand, which they know is ridiculous 0.93

00:20:06.860 because they know it's not going to be accepted by Americans, but they say it anyway. You hear all

00:20:13.260 these rumors. There's a whole bunch of them. It's not just one or two. You have to believe there's

00:20:17.100 something to it. I've just heard a lot of those stories about how our side of the negotiating

00:20:25.100 doesn't seem to be playing seriously. It seems to want to delay it. And another rumor that's

00:20:31.420 floating around, you've probably heard it too, is that Carney wants another election. He wants a

00:20:36.300 majority. And right now, he's sort of, not exactly, but he only needs the NDP to go along with them,

00:20:42.380 which they usually do. And granted, there's the odd exception. But the fact, if that's true,

00:20:46.620 you know, if it's true he wants an election because he thinks he can get a majority,

00:20:49.980 I would worry very much as to why he's so desperate to get a majority and what exactly he

00:20:56.940 wants to do. And the fact that Canadian negotiators do seem to be ragging the puck,

00:21:03.820 to use another hockey analogy, would suggest that maybe that is his goal here. The rumor is he wants

00:21:12.060 it before the midterm elections in the US next November, like a year November. And again, we'll see.

00:21:18.700 Yeah, but the thing is, the polls have changed recently, as you undoubtedly know. And right now,

00:21:23.820 it doesn't look like he would have, at first, you know, every new government has a honeymoon

00:21:27.420 period. And he had a honeymoon period where, look, you know, he was quite ahead in the polls and stuff.

00:21:30.940 That's not so much the case now. So I'm wondering how that'll dampen his enthusiasm for another

00:21:37.580 election. I also think Canadians wouldn't be receptive, as they should not be. You know, I remember 1.00

00:21:42.940 Trudeau's 2021 election. Remember, we had an election in the middle of a pandemic because he

00:21:48.140 wanted a majority. Didn't get it, thank goodness. But it just showed how these people don't care

00:21:53.500 about Canadians. They just care about their own political fortunes and whatever it is they want 0.98

00:21:58.300 to achieve. And given what they're doing now with the minority, I would very much worry about giving 1.00

00:22:03.180 this carny government a majority government. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he could engineer his own 0.63

00:22:08.460 defeat somehow. I'm sure he could figure out a way to do it in the House and say, well, I didn't

00:22:13.660 push for an election. You know, it's those guys over there. It's the conservatives, it's the

00:22:18.060 block. They're the ones who voted against my budget or whatever. Could you imagine if the

00:22:23.900 government ended up falling on a budget that's going to be tabled, you know, and just days from

00:22:29.340 now, just a couple of weeks from now? Well, like I say, though, he'd have to

00:22:33.020 have both the NDP and the block vote against him. And I don't see that happening, to be honest with you,

00:22:37.260 no matter how horrendous the budget is going to be. And it's going to be horrendous. I have no doubt it's

00:22:41.020 going to be horrendous. I'm going to say that was one thing I agree with Carney, and that was

00:22:44.700 increasing funding for the military. That is one thing that should have been done a long time ago.

00:22:48.780 So to be fair, that was a good move. And granted, it was done because of the NATO, you know, the NATO

00:22:54.300 numbers and so on. But who cares? I don't care. Our military has been starved for too long. And they're

00:22:58.460 a very admirable group of people that richly deserve to have better, you know, better conditions and more

00:23:05.100 money devoted to them, especially in this day and age, right, with all the threats we see globally. It's crazy.

00:23:11.260 Fair enough. Now it's time that we start pulling our weight. I agree. It would be nice if we had the

00:23:14.860 money to pay for it all, especially when it starts talking about 5% of GDP.

00:23:19.180 Oh, listen, just this morning, I see that China was given a bunch of, this is out of BC,

00:23:23.900 that China was given a whole whack of money, you know, for some climate thing. And I'm thinking,

00:23:27.740 if you got, if every government in this country got rid of all the nutty things they do,

00:23:33.260 a few million here, a few million there, a few billion here, often, and so on,

00:23:37.420 we could balance that budget at no time at all. We give tons of money to environmental groups. Why?

00:23:43.500 They're fully dependent on government. If they were worthwhile, they could raise their own money.

00:23:47.500 I mean, any, any group I've headed up over the years has always raised its own money,

00:23:51.580 never accepted a cent from government, because if you're worthwhile, you shouldn't need that. I'm sorry.

00:23:57.100 And if we got rid of all of those subsidies of, of, you know, third party groups and, and other

00:24:03.100 countries and so on, it would be, it would be massive. Yeah. We've got media accepting money,

00:24:09.900 too. Well, that's a whole, oh yeah. That's been an abject failure for Canadians, hasn't it? I mean, 0.99

00:24:15.180 media, they're, they're, they're so obsequious now. I remember when that first happened, reporters

00:24:20.460 that I know personally said, oh, this won't affect our coverage. Look at it now. Look at it now. It's,

00:24:26.620 it's like we're in the Soviet union or something with, with the legacy. And thank goodness for

00:24:31.340 independent media like you and Juno and you know, all the other ones out there because we're getting

00:24:36.060 at least some of the truth. Catherine Swift. Thank you so much for coming on the show,

00:24:41.260 Catherine. How do people support your organization? Well, they can go on our website,

00:24:45.100 website, ccnbc.ca. It's very simple. We have information on our, our billboard campaign,

00:24:50.140 by the way, that you were mentioning earlier, and we're going to keep it going as long as we can,

00:24:54.460 because we really feel it's such an important, you know, such an important point. It needs to be made

00:25:00.700 to, to, you know, sink in hopefully with an awful lot of Canadians. So just look at our website.

00:25:05.420 There's lots of info on that. Catherine Swift. Okay, my friends, that wraps things up for this

00:25:11.340 edition of Straight Up. Appreciate you tuning in. Let's do it again real soon, shall we? We'll see you next time.

00:25:16.460 Bye.

Juno News - October 21, 2025

Liberals BLINDSIDED by rumoured U.S. trade agreement

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