Juno News - Liberals FINALLY ADMIT mass-immigration has ruined the economy

00:00:00.000 government spending and immigration have been a drag on canada's economic numbers after days of

00:00:12.480 ducking questions about canada slipping into recession carney says economic weakness is the

00:00:18.400 result of bringing trudeau era spending and immigration levels under control do you feel

00:00:24.600 Do you feel we're in a recession? Are we in a recession?

00:00:30.460 I'll say this about the economy, which is that we're in the process,

00:00:34.720 this government's been in the process of laying the foundations for a stronger,

00:00:39.100 more resilient, more independent Canadian economy.

00:00:42.780 That process is settling in during that time as we make major investments,

00:00:48.540 major changes to how the government operates, how we do major projects,

00:00:52.760 how we have new trade agreements with other countries.

00:00:57.980 It's always difficult.

00:00:59.940 I should always remember to go up the stairs more slowly

00:01:02.200 or get in better shape.

00:01:04.180 As we do all that, the data is going to be uneven.

00:01:08.900 And we see some weakness,

00:01:13.420 in part because of clear decisions by the government.

00:01:16.380 So we have taken back control of immigration.

00:01:20.560 That's meant the population growth has flattened.

00:01:24.440 In fact, it's slowed or it's been negative for the last two quarters.

00:01:28.940 We have reigned in government spending.

00:01:31.020 So it had been growing close to 10 percent.

00:01:33.860 It's growing less than 2 percent now.

00:01:36.140 So that's also something that weighs on.

00:01:37.900 There's some other choppiness in terms of how investment is happening.

00:01:42.220 But we're also seeing at the same time the foundations coming into place,

00:01:46.780 settling in for that stronger, more resilient economy.

00:01:50.760 So, for example, if you look at business investment,

00:01:53.880 particularly in machinery and equipment,

00:01:56.100 in R&D, in intellectual property,

00:01:59.500 that's actually up quite sharply in the last couple of quarters,

00:02:02.140 including the most recent quarter.

00:02:03.740 If you look at household incomes,

00:02:06.620 they are now growing strongly.

00:02:08.720 They continue to grow faster than the rate of inflation.

00:02:12.440 There's more to be done without question,

00:02:14.360 but they're moving in the right direction.

00:02:15.500 So you have these cross-currents as the economy is being fundamentally transformed.

00:02:20.880 We're going to continue to work. We're making progress, but there's more to be done.

00:02:24.080 Last week, Statistics Canada reported the country slipped into recession.

00:02:29.440 That's two straight quarters of shrinking GDP.

00:02:33.720 Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev says the latest reference to Canada as the 51st state is ridiculous.

00:02:40.820 U.S. President Trump posted the words 51st state in reference to Canada slipping into recession.

00:02:48.760 The prime minister once again is failing the Canadian people by refusing to tell them the truth that he caused a recession.

00:02:56.840 It's the only recession in the G7, the only recession in North America, and he needs to rapidly reverse the liberal policies that caused that recession.

00:03:04.540 The news of a recession has Donald Trump once again saying you're the 51st state.

00:03:08.740 What is your comment to Donald Trump using the recession to now once again joke, I guess, about Canada being the 51st state? 0.86

00:03:15.640 It's ridiculous, and it's never going to happen. 0.79

00:03:18.080 And we have to make sure that we don't allow ridiculous comments like that to distract us from the very real suffering that Canadians are experiencing as a result of liberal policies here at home. 0.92

00:03:30.920 The families who can't afford food

00:03:33.460 The one in four Canadians

00:03:35.260 Who are living in food insecurity

00:03:37.980 They don't want us to be 1.00

00:03:39.960 Distracted by a foolish comment like that 0.98

00:03:42.040 They want us to focus on reversing 0.99

00:03:43.980 The liberal policies that have made

00:03:46.040 Them hungry in the first place

00:03:47.280 The Trump post was then reposted

00:03:50.180 By U.S. Ambassador to Canada

00:03:51.740 Pete Hoekstra

00:03:52.500 Drawing the ire of Premier Doug Ford

00:03:55.420 Who said Canada will never be for sale

00:03:57.740 Alberta separatists

00:04:00.520 are pushing back on the idea that independence will be too expensive.

00:04:05.880 Danielle Smith, Premier of the province, says independence will cost the province hundreds

00:04:10.120 of billions of dollars more than it spends now on programs that Ottawa pays for.

00:04:15.880 What is our share of the national debt?

00:04:17.600 170 billion dollars, very likely, which would cost about 10 billion dollars a year in interest

00:04:22.960 costs.

00:04:23.960 We now have a 5% NATO commitment.

00:04:25.800 We've never had a national defense before.

00:04:27.400 What would that cost?

00:04:28.400 That's about 25 billion dollars.

00:04:30.020 We'd have to take over OAS and child tax benefit, probably another $10 or $15 billion.

00:04:34.960 We'd have to set up the infrastructure for CPP and EI and various other programs that

00:04:40.640 we don't currently run.

00:04:41.860 There's cost associated with that.

00:04:43.800 We'd have to have border control, people would have to have border stations at Saskatchewan

00:04:47.620 and British Columbia and have tariffs.

00:04:51.020 We'd have to renegotiate all of our trade agreements around the world and established

00:04:54.660 trade offices.

00:04:55.660 We'd have to set up a post office.

00:04:57.900 We would have to regulate telecoms, banking.

00:05:01.200 We'd have to regulate railways.

00:05:03.080 As you can see, it's a pretty extensive list

00:05:06.320 that has probably hundreds of billions of dollars worth of startup costs.

00:05:09.940 Pro-independence lawyer Jeff Rath says massive increases in oil revenues

00:05:14.540 will more than offset any added costs arising from independence.

00:05:19.820 Our guest today is pro-independence lawyer.

00:05:22.140 Actually, I have to take a minute here.

00:05:24.660 This camera appears to be a little wonky.

00:05:27.900 am i look am i looking all right am i looking straight as handsome as ever mark

00:05:35.640 okay here we go our guest today is independence lawyer jeff rath coming to us from calgary welcome

00:05:45.980 jeff thanks for having me on again mark let's talk a little bit about the cost of independence

00:05:51.020 because the premier has come out and said it's going to cost maybe 400 billion dollars more

00:05:56.920 for Alberta to run its own country

00:06:00.000 because there are all sorts of costs

00:06:02.260 that it's going to have to incur

00:06:03.840 that Ottawa is now paying for.

00:06:06.260 And she cites things like border security,

00:06:09.280 you know, the post office,

00:06:11.040 the regulation of telecom and broadcasting.

00:06:15.020 All this stuff that Ottawa does

00:06:16.900 is going to cost money

00:06:18.560 and it's just not going to be worth it.

00:06:20.260 What do you think?

00:06:21.300 Well, last year we put out a document

00:06:23.200 called The Value of Freedom,

00:06:24.700 a draft fully costed fiscal plan for a free and independent Alberta right and

00:06:30.140 we run all of those numbers so we've done the work for we did it all last

00:06:34.780 year we provided her a copy of this document after paying all of those costs

00:06:39.460 including startup costs our numbers are that will have between a twenty eight

00:06:44.080 and a half billion to forty eight and a half billion dollar a year fiscal

00:06:48.100 capacity surplus we sent seventy billion dollars a year to Ottawa we you know

00:06:53.380 including CPP and UI, and including CPP and UI, we get less than $20 billion a year back in

00:07:00.900 cash transfers and so-called questionable federal services, right? Danielle's numbers presuppose

00:07:08.700 that we don't already have a bureaucracy in Alberta. We have a surplus of bureaucrats in 1.00

00:07:14.500 Alberta. Like, you know, we can task people, you know, to the, you know, to immigration and

00:07:18.880 deportation. We, you know, we're already setting up a provincial police service. We have a park

00:07:23.540 service. They can, you know, we can just task people to taking over the national parks. I mean,

00:07:28.320 telecommunications and censorship, we're not going to have that in Alberta. Like we don't

00:07:33.080 want to regulate telecommunications and censorship. So that's the cost that we're not going to have,

00:07:38.400 right? You know, and then some of these other numbers of hers, like part of that 400 billion

00:07:42.980 is a one-time pay down of Alberta's share of the national debt of $178 billion.

00:07:49.160 I mean, good God, even if we had to pay that, which we won't,

00:07:52.320 that's a cheap price to get out of Canada

00:07:54.880 because you know Mark Carney's going to double or triple that

00:07:57.580 in the next couple of years with the way he's been spending money.

00:08:02.080 So, you know, we need to get out now and stop the bleeding.

00:08:05.100 But our position is, you know, over the last 30 years,

00:08:08.180 we put over $800 billion into Canada

00:08:11.020 through transfer payments and equalization, if you put compound interest on that, as far as

00:08:16.400 Albertans are concerned, Canada owes us several trillion dollars that could be applied to our

00:08:21.660 share of the national debt. You know, Canada also owes us $365 billion as a result of Alberta's

00:08:28.880 overpayment into the CPP plan, right? You know, on and on and on. So, you know, Danielle's numbers

00:08:35.240 don't make sense we provided this document to her last year her her economists you know looked at 1.00

00:08:41.780 the either or scenarios at the end of the wall these people are stupid they're counting some 0.96

00:08:45.880 things twice it's like no those are future possible scenarios and it's one or the other we didn't 0.99

00:08:51.580 double count we knew what we were doing right that's their only criticism nobody can challenge

00:08:56.880 our numbers because they're based on statistics canada fraser institute um you know government

00:09:02.680 of canada alberta government sources uh you know put together by a very capable uh planner that

00:09:08.680 used to do you know 100 million dollar plus projects for cp rail who led our you know led

00:09:13.960 our interdisciplinary team on this document we had accountants bankers we even had a retired

00:09:19.320 bank of canada economists look at our numbers right our numbers are solid the uh the pq the

00:09:25.640 party quebecois their economists looked at our document and uh over dinner one night paul st

00:09:30.600 St-Pierre Panamondon told me, he said,

00:09:32.840 Jack, we've looked at your document,

00:09:34.440 we just don't understand why the value,

00:09:37.120 your value of freedom document is so conservative.

00:09:40.100 Alberta will be so much better off

00:09:43.160 as an independent country than you guys

00:09:45.000 have set out in that document.

00:09:46.500 And we said, well, Paul, it's real simple.

00:09:48.320 I said, we're Albertans, we always have a tendency

00:09:51.160 to under-promise and over-deliver, right?

00:09:54.040 That's just our nature and part of our culture, right?

00:09:56.860 So, you know, the numbers in that document

00:09:58.880 are very conservative.

00:10:00.020 If anybody else wants to read them, it's albertaprosperityproject.com.

00:10:05.120 So again, go to albertaprosperityproject.com.

00:10:08.500 The document is called The Value of Freedom,

00:10:11.660 a draft fully-costed fiscal plan for an independent Alberta.

00:10:15.480 It's there for anybody to read.

00:10:17.180 I challenge anybody to challenge our numbers because we think that we're solid. 0.75

00:10:21.960 And, of course, Danielle is now engaged in this weird fear campaign 0.68

00:10:25.420 because look at her new roommates or her new co-religionists, 0.74

00:10:29.880 right? Thomas Lukasik, Nose Picker Nenshi, Mark Carney, um, you know, all of these people are

00:10:35.960 her new teammates. She's in a valid Federalist. So all Jason Kenney, all they have to do is make

00:10:41.280 up things to be afraid of. And they're literally lying to everybody about what, you know, what is

00:10:46.880 really, you know, what this is really going to look like. So, you know, again, you know, every

00:10:51.360 Albertan is more than smart enough to take, you know, to take their own pay stubs and look at

00:10:56.300 their pay stub and put a red circle around the federal income tax portion of

00:10:59.900 that pay stub and know that within a year or two of independence we can

00:11:03.680 completely eliminate all federal income tax if not all income tax entirely

00:11:08.780 because something else people need to keep in mind and Danielle isn't talking

00:11:12.860 about for every extra million barrels a day of pipeline capacity or export

00:11:18.380 capacity developed by Alberta that currently adds ten billion dollars a

00:11:23.540 a year to the Alberta bottom line, right? Between the Bridger pipeline expansion, the

00:11:29.000 Enbridge expansion and the TMX expansion, we're looking at another 2 million barrels

00:11:34.780 a day of pipeline capacity that will be coming on within the next three to five years, right?

00:11:40.100 And that's just the provincial side of it. So within three to five years, an independent

00:11:43.940 Alberta would enjoy an extra 30 to $40 billion a year in additional oil revenue from all

00:11:52.380 of that additional pipeline capacity coming on and then again free and

00:11:56.160 independent Alberta you know we're gonna have a robust free trade agreement with

00:12:00.360 the United States reciprocal zero tariffs on both sides of the border a

00:12:03.840 common market type relationship with the US which is our largest trading partner

00:12:08.520 we currently do 90% of our trade with the US we get rid of all of the federal

00:12:13.620 irritants Mark Carney constantly sticking his finger in you know

00:12:17.400 President Trump's eye which of course is why President Trump was making fun of

00:12:21.900 them today about Canada going into recession and calling it, you know, referring to the 51st state

00:12:26.640 again, right? And again, you know, we know that's not going to happen. We've already met with the

00:12:31.920 Americans and have spoken about this. It takes a joint session of Congress, both Congress and

00:12:36.800 Senate, to create a U.S. state, right? As far as Alberta goes, right, the Democrats can filibuster

00:12:42.580 in the Senate. It would take two-thirds of the Senate to vote Alberta in. The Democrats will

00:12:46.900 never vote for a republican state to come in and then the republicans look at canada quebec

00:12:52.980 ontario the maritimes you know bc you know based at manitoba basically as communist countries run

00:12:58.740 by china so the republicans wouldn't want you know communist canada joining the u.s as a state so

00:13:05.540 this is just trump making president trump making fun of mark carney getting even for his unilateral

00:13:11.220 recognition of the Palestinian state, getting even for declaring war on the United States over 0.93

00:13:17.300 Greenland, if you remember that foolishness, right? I'm going to invoke Article 5 of President 0.93

00:13:21.780 Trump takes Greenland, right? What was the other one? Oh, yeah, that stupid Davos speech of his,

00:13:27.560 where, you know, literally Carney stands up on the world stage and insults President Trump to 1.00

00:13:33.000 the entire world. And people wonder why, you know, President Trump gleefully makes fun of

00:13:38.440 Mark Arnie on an ongoing basis, right? That's why. So, you know, again, you know, we're looking

00:13:44.480 forward to a free and independent Alberta. We're looking forward to a robust trading relationship

00:13:48.820 with the United States. And we're looking forward to a doubling of Alberta's oil output by 2045,

00:13:56.120 free of net zero, free of decarbonization requirements, you know, free of all of the

00:14:00.780 ridiculous regulations imposed on us, you know, by Ottawa. I mean, you know, the future for Alberta

00:14:07.140 as an independent country is incredibly bright and brilliant. And of course, we now have Danielle

00:14:13.020 Smith as an avowed federalist teaming up with Kenny Lukasik, Nenshi, Kearney, you know, all of that 0.98

00:14:19.220 ilk, you know, making up phony numbers to make, oh, doom and gloom, be afraid, you know, it's

00:14:25.560 horrible, blah, blah, blah. It's not. It's going to be beautiful. But what about Danielle? I mean,

00:14:30.640 she's still the premier of the province,

00:14:32.660 and you've spoken about the possible move

00:14:36.520 by the party to remove her.

00:14:39.360 Where is that right now?

00:14:41.240 Well, I mean, we're still in the process

00:14:42.960 of getting organized, slowly but surely,

00:14:46.940 getting people onto CA boards,

00:14:48.580 getting people onto the provincial board,

00:14:51.420 moving forward.

00:14:52.340 There's a massive grassroots movement

00:14:54.540 and groundswell coming up in Alberta 1.00

00:14:58.260 against Danielle's leadership.

00:14:59.920 And a lot of it is coming from the very people that elected her leader the first time, right?

00:15:03.700 Oil and gas executives, people in the oil and gas industry that are furious with her for signing that disastrous carbon tax MOU with Mark Carney without understanding what the true costs of, you know, costs of that deal was and what those, you know, what those costs, you know, how much Danielle has added to the cost of production of a barrel of oil in Alberta.

00:15:26.680 I mean, you know, a lot of us, you know, think she has to go because she's an avowed federalist

00:15:32.020 and she's lied to us one too many times, but a lot of people in the oil and gas industry 0.98

00:15:36.620 think that she needs to go because she's incompetent. 0.95

00:15:39.860 You know, like she's her deputy minister of energy is a former executive director of Ducks 1.00

00:15:44.320 Unlimited.

00:15:45.600 This guy doesn't have an oil and gas background to speak of, right?

00:15:50.020 And I mean, you know, it's just people are just going, what the hell are you doing, Danielle?

00:15:53.580 Like, they're destroying the province, working with Mark Carney.

00:15:57.240 You know, she had to go out the other day and say, this is why I trust Mark Carney.

00:16:01.040 And a lot of us are going, wait a minute, Danielle, you'd better explain to all of us why we should trust you.

00:16:07.000 You know, like, stop trying to sell Mark Carney to Albertans because you're never going to do it.

00:16:12.240 It's, you know, it's a pretty remarkable situation that she's put herself in.

00:16:16.140 Does she know how precarious her political position is?

00:16:21.480 Oh, absolutely. 0.99

00:16:22.360 absolutely I mean she's you know I'm hearing from various sources that she

00:16:26.420 stressed to the eyeballs you just have to look at you know her and her cab

00:16:30.120 walking into that meeting in Canada and asked us recently where it's normally you

00:16:34.300 know hail fellows well met and everybody's happy we're the masters of

00:16:37.680 the universe and whatever and they all walked in just scowling and unhappy and

00:16:41.640 worried and stressed right because you know she's been hammered constantly 0.99

00:16:46.160 since she announced that stupid referendum to have a referendum you know 0.98

00:16:50.380 and it's her base that is angry with her right it's you know like a super majority of the ucp 0.99

00:16:57.420 are very you know are extremely angry with uh premier smith right now you know she split with

00:17:03.260 her own party president rob smith came out and said that the ucp should remain neutral um you

00:17:09.020 know in the upcoming debate uh on uh you know a referendum they have a referendum danielle came

00:17:14.220 out and said i am the leader my caucus is pro you know as federalist my cabinet is federalist

00:17:19.020 My members are Federalists, and a lot of her members are going, wow, we get that memo.

00:17:24.400 We elected you because we thought you were a separatist.

00:17:26.600 You told us you were a separatist.

00:17:28.240 That's why we voted for you as leader.

00:17:30.400 If we knew you were a Federalist, we never would have made you leader, right?

00:17:34.240 Because keep in mind, she courted the separatist vote, the independence vote to become leader, right?

00:17:39.620 Cam Davies, the leader of the Republican Party, was on her campaign team.

00:17:44.400 David Parker of Take Back Alberta fame was on her campaign team.

00:17:49.020 You know, a woman by the name of Jenny Walker, who was the organizer for the Wexit party, right, was Danielle's road manager for her leadership election campaign.

00:18:01.660 And Jenny Walker sold the Wexit list to Danielle's campaign, right?

00:18:07.900 That's how sleazy and incestuous this is, but sold the Wexit list to Danielle's leadership campaign.

00:18:12.300 and they were selling UCP memberships to the Wexit list, just promising them that if they 0.63

00:18:19.180 elected Danielle leader, she would lead us to independence. So she gets elected as a pro-independence

00:18:26.060 leader. She, you know, throughout her leadership campaign, it was, you know, I'm going to pass a

00:18:30.880 bill, you know, the Sovereign Alberta Act, right? Or so, you know, Alberta Sovereignty Act, right?

00:18:35.920 Then she gets elected and it immediately morphs into, you know, the Alberta Sovereignty within

00:18:40.760 the United Canada Act, right? It was a complete bait and switch. And I can tell you that the

00:18:46.420 people that voted her in as leader, if they knew that she was going to be running around

00:18:52.440 saying, I'm a federalist and I believe in a strong Alberta within a United Canada,

00:18:56.820 they never would have made her leader. Todd Lowen would be premier today.

00:19:01.660 Well, now that they do know, what happens now?

00:19:05.620 Well, major buyer's remorse is setting in. And of course, you know, there's kind of,

00:19:09.880 and I wouldn't call it a split. I mean, there's a lot of people say, well,

00:19:12.620 we got to focus on winning the stupid question to have a, have a, you know, 0.99

00:19:16.040 the referendum to have a referendum. I agree with that, but you know, 0.99

00:19:20.000 what guys like Mitch and myself and others are saying is, Hey guys, 1.00

00:19:22.880 we can all walk and chew bubble gum at the same time so we can win the stupid 0.98

00:19:26.980 referendum to have a referendum question while replacing Danielle as leader. 0.94

00:19:31.580 And the good news is if we can have a special general meeting before August,

00:19:35.340 right. And get an interim leader in the interim leader can cancel that entire

00:19:39.380 referendum and all of our other dumb questions about, I'm going to ask Albertans whether 0.87

00:19:43.520 I should do my job, right, those dumb questions, and have one single question that we all want,

00:19:50.280 which is, do you agree that Alberta shall cease to be part of Canada to become an independent 0.80

00:19:54.220 state, right?

00:19:55.460 So, you know, that's what we're working on.

00:19:57.580 That's what we're working forward on.

00:19:59.260 You know, there's other people that disagree with us.

00:20:01.380 I mean, Keith Wilson, you know, is of the view that we should just be focused on, you

00:20:06.240 know, the referendum question. And, you know, there's other people that are, you know, I call

00:20:10.440 them Danny boys now, but the big Danny boys that don't want anybody attacking Danielle or talking

00:20:15.000 about removing her from office because they don't think that there's any other conservative in

00:20:19.320 Alberta, you know, that can beat the nose picker Nenshi in a general election. We think that's

00:20:26.040 wrong. And the sooner we can get rid of her and replace her with a competent leader, you know, 1.00

00:20:31.080 to start introducing himself, him or herself to Albertans and, you know, moving forward to get

00:20:36.780 ready for a general election while giving us a referendum on independence, the better, right? I

00:20:41.880 mean, there's no point in, you know, you know, rotting fish doesn't get better, you know, by the

00:20:47.500 month, right? You're saying, you're saying get rid of Danielle and then have the interim premier

00:20:54.200 who takes over, nicks the current referendum question,

00:20:58.700 which is, should we have a referendum down the road sometime,

00:21:03.060 and replace that with a definitive,

00:21:06.280 either we stay or we go question.

00:21:08.140 Is that correct?

00:21:08.660 Yeah, 100%.

00:21:09.640 And I don't care now at this point if we have to do that.

00:21:12.480 If a true referendum question is held in April or May of 2027,

00:21:18.940 it makes no difference to me.

00:21:20.540 But I think we're better off to have a clean question

00:21:23.180 than what's going on now because a good chunk of uh you know the independence movement is very

00:21:28.600 disheartened right now by this idea that you know we're now again put in a position where we have

00:21:34.380 to trust danielle smith right because let's face it she's now called this a non-binding referendum 0.54

00:21:40.040 to have a referendum question right she's lied to us god knows how many times she lied to us about 0.97

00:21:45.900 the sovereignty act she lied to us about amending the bill of rights to protect our you know protect 1.00

00:21:50.520 our gun rights. She lied to us about giving us a referendum on our question if we got 1.00

00:21:55.440 178,000 signatures, right? Every time you turn around, she lies to us. So why would 0.95

00:22:01.240 we believe, and this is my challenge to Keith Wilson and others, on what basis, on what

00:22:07.140 rational basis do you trust Danielle Smith to actually give us a binding referendum,

00:22:13.220 even if we win the referendum to have a referendum, given her track record of repeatedly lying

00:22:19.560 to independent supporters in order to achieve her political ends okay so that's where we're at now

00:22:28.320 is the party's moving towards ousting its leader and replacing her with somebody who will change

00:22:37.080 the referendum question and just make it a single question yeah that's right and in the meantime if

00:22:42.660 we don't succeed in that like i said we can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time and you know

00:22:46.980 and we'll be, you know, so we'll, we'll also be proceeding to, you know,

00:22:49.740 to campaign against the remain in Canada question. Right. You know,

00:22:54.480 because we, you know,

00:22:55.060 we obviously don't want to give Lukasik or Kenny or Danny or any of the

00:23:00.640 Federalists, you know, any form of victory on this.

00:23:04.440 Jeff, thank you so much for coming on the show. We appreciate it as always.

00:23:07.500 Always a pleasure, Mark. Thanks for having me on.

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Juno News - June 03, 2026

Liberals FINALLY ADMIT mass-immigration has ruined the economy

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