Juno News - October 02, 2023


Liberals' firearm ban leaves Canadian gun retailers in limbo


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Why would you run a business when the government could ban the things that you are trying to sell? In this episode, we speak to the President of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association, Wes Winkle.

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00:00:00.000 this is an issue that has saddled gun stores with in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars
00:00:14.140 of inventory that they cannot move and even outside of those specific prohibitions it is
00:00:20.140 an uncertainty that has now affected this where why would you run a business when the government
00:00:25.220 could ban the things that you are trying to sell i wanted to talk about this issue a little bit more
00:00:31.020 from the perspective of the industry itself which by the way is not dominated by these big
00:00:36.780 multinational billion dollar corporations it's often small mom and pop shops across this country
00:00:42.320 wes winkle is here he's the president of the canadian sporting arms and ammunition
00:00:46.840 association wes it's good to talk to you thanks for coming on today thank you very much for having me
00:00:53.060 just set the stage here first off i alluded to it there but what is the profile of a firearms
00:00:59.540 business owner in canada typically you hit the nail right on the head it's uh it's one of those things
00:01:05.640 where most of our mom and pop shops uh typically you're looking at a an employee base of five to
00:01:11.420 12 employees um in many cases a rural uh business or in a non-urban area is where most of our businesses
00:01:19.100 are located one of the things i should point out when i was filming uh that documentary in which
00:01:25.540 your your predecessor in in your position was a featured guest one of the challenges whenever we
00:01:30.640 were interviewing owners of gun stores is that every five minutes someone's walking in and they
00:01:35.620 were old friends they knew each other i mean these things have actually become somewhat of community
00:01:40.620 hubs as well your neighborhood gun store for people that are in sport shooting and in hunting and
00:01:45.260 and that's not something that a lot of businesses in this day and age get to do
00:01:48.760 no it's it's a very unique situation it's uh we always uh like that old hot stove league mentality
00:01:55.360 where you have a a lot of folks coming in on a regular basis to um to go ahead and um you know
00:02:05.080 chew the fat about their their event and their sport and they like to come in and talk about it and
00:02:08.900 it's a very small close-knit community for sure uh it crosses a lot of different uh realms of
00:02:14.900 employment you know there's there's people that are farmers and and rule uh shooters and hunters
00:02:19.920 but then you have lots of uh urban uh gentlemen that are and ladies that participate in law 0.91
00:02:24.860 enforcement and the military that like to practice their their their craft outside of their work so
00:02:29.100 there's a lot of different uh aspects at play so i know that the the handgun ban uh when i believe
00:02:37.400 we we lost you uh so we'll have to to get west back there i'm speaking to half of my there we go
00:02:42.100 i was speaking to half of my logo there i know that the handgun ban was actually quite a boon for 0.76
00:02:47.620 gun stores i know gun stores all of a sudden couldn't like sell handguns quickly enough
00:02:51.800 because there was a bit of a phase-in period but but for the order and council this uh effectively
00:02:57.140 locked up huge amounts of inventory that i mean certainly in the cases of businesses i've spoken to
00:03:03.380 they've not been able to do anything with for uh effectively three years now like what are the
00:03:10.040 effects of that if you're a gun retailer uh they're immense uh just like you had mentioned in your
00:03:15.780 previous segment about stale inventory and stale inventory is the death of retail as a whole but on
00:03:21.180 top of that you have costs associated with it not just warehousing costs and holding costs but
00:03:26.000 insurance costs uh you know for a lot of us that are holding hundreds of thousands of dollars in
00:03:30.240 inventory it costs you ten thousands of dollars a year to ensure that inventory especially when the
00:03:34.680 government puts a prohibited tag name on it so uh it's a very expensive thing to keep in our inventory
00:03:40.080 and and we've had no ability to have a lawfully uh or a legal aspect to dispose of this inventory
00:03:46.920 and it's got a great deal of expense as well as taking up very valuable warehouse and retail space
00:03:52.220 has there been in the members that you've spoken to a sense that it's just not worth it anymore like
00:03:59.300 why would i spend so much of my time effort and money in this industry that the government could
00:04:04.480 basically outlaw overnight absolutely there's been a fatigue we've seen a lot of businesses in the last
00:04:10.840 six months across our great country close and it's it's a combination of financial viability but just
00:04:16.720 overall fatigue of over regulation it's not just on the firearm side but on the ammunition side
00:04:22.600 the regulations when it comes to importing and exporting i mean we're just so heavily regulated that it
00:04:27.840 yeah there's a level of fatigue and and you're in a situation where uh you know it's it's a lot of
00:04:34.800 these owners are a little older and therefore it's uh you know it's a little bit harder for them to
00:04:38.980 maintain uh keeping up with all these online regulations and constantly being on the internet
00:04:43.680 and logging into the rcmp website and giving permission to sell stuff it just gets difficult and
00:04:48.560 they just get worn down and and retire from our industry in terms of representing the industry side
00:04:55.900 your group is pretty much unparalleled i would go so far as to say so has there been at the very least
00:05:02.700 consultation or adequate consultation from the government on what a resolution would look like
00:05:09.500 yes we've had some consultation uh we didn't have any consultation before the oic but then ideally when
00:05:15.100 you consult before you do something absolutely and and to be honest uh the oic is so poorly written
00:05:21.340 which is why we've had this long delay and why there's so much uh you know it's so difficult to
00:05:26.060 bring this program forward because we're really at a spot yet where we still haven't quite determined
00:05:31.340 what actually was prohibited you know you mentioned at the start of your segment at 1500 makes and models
00:05:36.380 and that was what was originally listed by the government but then they've added on 300 354 makes
00:05:41.900 and models that they found out were caught under the same net as the original prohibition so we're still
00:05:47.580 trying to determine what exactly was prohibited because it was so poorly written by the uh minister
00:05:51.900 blair in his office at the time and again if there had been consultation back before this there may
00:05:56.700 not been quite such a mess but now of course uh we're we're uh stuck trying to figure out how to deal
00:06:02.540 with this regulation and uh we're currently going through that now there is some consultation but uh
00:06:08.780 you know the slow turning wheels of the government are very difficult to fight through especially when
00:06:14.060 you have such a convoluted program one thing a lot of people don't understand about these firearms is
00:06:18.460 they're so modular in nature and there's so many different moving pieces and they're kind of like a
00:06:23.740 mr potato head of guns type of thing where you're putting different snapping different pieces on and
00:06:28.140 some of those pieces are prohibited some of them are not but some of them can be used in other farms
00:06:31.580 some of them can't and therefore they're trying to figure out how to how to properly gather all the
00:06:36.940 information that is required there yeah and i was actually going to ask about that because you know
00:06:43.500 there certainly is a huge huge market for accessories for firearms and i've not been told
00:06:49.740 and you may have a different uh perspective this but i've not been told that a gun buyback
00:06:53.900 would extend to accessories so there may be a no real way to recoup that money well so again we only
00:07:01.420 get to deal with the business aspect we have no interest or no communication on the uh on the individual
00:07:06.780 buyback i mean from a business perspective if you have a bunch of accessories in your warehouse which
00:07:12.300 maybe you can return to the distributor but maybe you can't i mean there may be no compensation for
00:07:16.780 that and no retail market for it now yeah no there and there has been extensive consultation on the
00:07:22.460 on the um on all the parts and the different components of the firearms uh there has been an
00:07:27.820 extensive discussion going on about that uh obviously um uh from our dealer's perspective uh because
00:07:34.060 so many of these things are modular nature we wouldn't be a part of anything if the parts and
00:07:38.540 accessories were not included so uh we've been a large discussion on how those parts will be
00:07:43.340 compensated for especially from those of uh our members that are manufacturers you know they don't
00:07:48.540 want to have to take the time to assemble these firearms to be turned in it makes no sense whatsoever
00:07:53.900 to put that extra expense on there so uh you know they have bins and bins of parts of these
00:07:58.540 manufacturers and they need to be compensated for as well just in closing here i'll ask you wes about
00:08:05.100 what the dollar value would be not not an individual dollar value but in general the approach to a
00:08:10.540 dollar value would be that would take the sting out a little bit because if the government were to
00:08:14.860 say we'll reimburse you for the cost you purchase this at to businesses that doesn't really take into
00:08:20.700 account the warehousing the opportunity cost you know if they had to you know take out debt for
00:08:25.900 example to buy the inventory in the first place but i also don't think government really wants to be
00:08:30.780 enriching or in its view enriching business owners by paying a premium like what would the reasonable
00:08:37.020 middle ground be well there's probably uh you know what is the current retail value of that item is
00:08:43.660 probably where the current middle ground is you know it absolutely does not compensate us for our
00:08:47.980 losses you know whenever you have inventory tied up for three years there should be six to 12 turns on
00:08:53.180 that on that inventory and we're not going to get compensated for that and we're well aware of that
00:08:57.740 but uh at the same time uh storage and and insurance costs aren't being compensated either so our losses
00:09:03.900 are still going to be immense but uh you know the middle ground that uh i am assuming we're going to
00:09:08.540 hopefully end up at is is the retail value for the items um and uh you know that's um remains to be seen
00:09:15.500 if that's where they go but it still won't take the sting out of it and uh especially the the biggest
00:09:21.340 cost that our businesses have is the is the training of staff uh but yes we have uh so much invested in
00:09:28.380 the marketing and and the training of our staff and the sting of that will never go away uh it's
00:09:33.020 it's something that uh you know business has had tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of
00:09:37.660 dollars invested in and that's all out the window and it's an absolute collapse of that part of the
00:09:41.980 industry wes winkle is the president of the canadian sporting arms and ammunition association i thank you
00:09:48.380 for uh making your way through the tech issues there right uh you you solved the better than
00:09:52.460 anyone else uh we have on the show is usually able to so thanks very much wes good to talk to you
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